Thread 216510081

I'm afraid to come out as atheist in my country. It's not that I fear for my physical safety but it'll be commiting social suicide, I'll get ostracized endlessly and no one will want anything to do with me, my family will disown me, I won't be able to get married, it will hurt my job opportunities.

>being atheist in 2025
>every single society in the world came to the conclusion that God needs to exist
>you already know which one is the one true god because he sacrificed himself for your sins
>you insist to sin again by not recognizing him
>prefers to worship money and looks instead
talk about a retard

>>216510176
UGHHHHHHHHHH... get well soon, religion is superstition, it could very well be a form of mental illness.

>>216510224
How do you know you aren't the one with the mental illness?

>>216510263
Because I'm not the one who unironically believes stones and animals could talk because a book said they do.

>>216510081 (OP)
Do you have to come out of the closet then? The god of atheism doesn't forbid pretending to be religious

>>216510176
He has his reasons, disrespecting his spiritual journey I think is insulting the gods. They lead some people towards atheism and maybe that's what the world needs.

>>216510081 (OP)
Aren't you guys like the most atheist MENA country after Turkey?

>>216510176
I mean, atheism is leagues better than being muslim. Even outright satanism is better.

>>216510381
They're experiencing a chudwave

>>216510081 (OP)
Just hide that you are an atheist and all will be fine

>>216510288
What if people believe they're metaphors

>>216510342
>>216510436
I hate living with a mask, it's too much work, I want to be myself. I hate having to pretend I believe in something just because everyone else believes in it.

>>216510435
Wdym

>>216510538
Just like tradcaths they also have 15 year old ummayad appreciators on TikTok while the women cover themselves in little tattoos and move to the city

>>216510081 (OP)
>I'll get ostracized endlessly and no one will want anything to do with me, my family will disown me, I won't be able to get married, it will hurt my job opportunities.
So your average 4channer then? We'll always be here for you.

>>216510417
Satanists are unironically less violent.
That's really sad (on behalf of muzzies)

no reason to announce it at all, just if a person you trust asked you can answer them

>>216510417
If you're gonna be like this please don't fucking talk to Zebbi. I have Spaniard fatigue.

>>216510081 (OP)
Atheism isn't like coming out as gay or trans. You can just stop engaging in religious rituals like praying and become a cultural muslim.

For me however it's the pearly gates.

>>216510534
Sorry, I understand you

>>216510851
>tattoo
Ruined.

>>216510454
>it's all metaphors bruh
Faithfag cope.
You know damn well the people who wrote those books had the intention of everything they wrote to be literal truth.

>>216510911
No need to be sorry, I appreciate your empathy.

>>216510081 (OP)
What does the final frame say?

>>216510932
You mean improved.

>>216510454
Sure it's all a metaphor and not meant to be taken literally.

>>216510995
It says
"Your mother's pussy"

>>216511073
Thanks.
Hope things will get better for you, anon.

>>216510958
The jews didnt
Its all an allegory for something else in the Torah

>>216510719
Satanists: freestyle larping as w.e, can be much better or as bad as muzzies (if they believe in human sacrifice).

muzzies: must believe in human sacrifice, baal worship, inbreeding, extreme contempt for non-muslims, the abandonment of all reason, logic, and critical thinking in order to not crumble under the sheer weight of inconsistencies and ridiculousness in their cult, base their morality around one of the downright worst dudes to ever live and must in fact follow his example (which is terrible)

Out of the two pagans, satanists really do seem better

>>216511223
I'm glad someone invited a clown to cheer op up

>>216510958
How do you know this

>>216510958
A lot of the stuff in those books is pretty blatantly metaphorical thoughbiet. Even analysed through lens of secular historians.

I mean al-ghazzali proved there's some kind of creator whether personal or impersonal through pure logic, and there's all these extraordinary cases of kids claiming to be reincarnations of certain dead people and accurately recounting their lives without any prior knowledge so I think that counts for something

People can already tell you are an atheist. Theres a real difference between true believers on fire for God and the not-so-true believers floating along because "muh culture"

>>216511369
>al-ghazzali proved there's some kind of creator whether personal or impersonal through pure logic
Can I get a quick rundown? I just never really get that part where people are like nothing can just exist forever, except God, God has always existed and then made everything. Might as well remove God from the equation and say that the universe has just always existed in some form

>>216511369
>al-ghazzali proved there's some kind of creator whether personal or impersonal through pure logic,

Where? I think ive heard muslims calling this man crazy

>>216510998
Reading inverted arabic really took me to the limit of my skills

>>216510176
Holy mental retardation

>>216511369
>through pure logic
You can't prove that your internal logic applies to the world at large and is relevant to anything outside your own head. This is just semantic games

>>216511455
>>216511476
>>216511531
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
we know the big bang was a thing and there wasn't any time or space before it so there must be a certain causer whether personal or impersonal who is beyond time and space

>>216511369
Al gazali was an absolute nigger who thought logic was ultimately unislamic by being second to their allah and that if reason contradicted the quran (which is an inconsistent, ridiculous mess) it should be tossed out.

The only point I ever found him to be ok on was one much better explained by Kierkegaard's leap of faith.

>>216511590
>credits gazalinigger
>has never heard of Aristotle's ὃ οὐ κινούμενον κινεῖ
Lord Almighty, Cluj was becoming full of muzzie invaders by the time I moved out and from what I hear it only got worse.

Didn't expect to see one on 4ch already though.

>>216511590
This is just Deism aka atheism with extra steps.

>>216511268
>tf
>tp

>>216510081 (OP)
Yeah that's definitely something to worry about and not the fact the country has been a dictatorship for the last 10 years where shit only gets worse

>>216511717
>>216511788
that's a myth. he was just a mystic who valued personal experience over being showy and blending islam with greek/harranian philosophy, which assumed the existence of certain concepts not found in any 'holy book'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL-ZxXQ6HCU
>>216511833
read the second point of my post >>216511369

>>216511531
That dude's argument is simply that some force, whether personal (God/yehwah/allah) or impersonal, must exist outside the chain of causality. It has to have been or always have been.
It's an interesting thought experiment because it's an incomprehensible idea for temporal beings, as time as concept exists only for beings that inhabitant the universe.

>>216511871
Imma get out of here one day... Some day </3

>>216511882
You need to go back, ahmed

>>216511917
Never equate YHWH to the islamic allah, blasphemer.

>>216511590
>2. The universe began to exist.
What if it didn't

>>216512107
I agree, Yhwh and Allah are separate beings as much as Christ and Yhwh.

>>216512116
all of modern science points to it having a beginning

>>216510081 (OP)
sounds like heaven

>>216511590
>so there must be a certain causer whether personal or impersonal who is beyond time and space
You cant know either that there wasnt some other type of natural phenomenon related to he universe pre bigbang that caused it. Again this is just semantic to convince yourself that the choice your brain made before you become counscious of it was according to logical reasons

>>216512356
he didn't get zutted in shiism, we already discussed this

>>216512415
>You cant know either that there wasnt some other type of natural phenomenon related to he universe pre bigbang that caused it.
that's what impersonal means.
>Again this is just semantic to convince yourself that the choice your brain made before you become counscious of it was according to logical reasons
this line of thinking is so unhealthy in so many ways. you're basically denying your human nature and claiming you're above it all, and that you have no such biases, while this clearly not the truth. secondly, you're distancing yourself from your subconscious and unconscious, denying them as a part of yourself and listing them as something completely separate, In reality, they're still apart of you. thirdly, I have changed my beliefs over time after learning more.
modern atheism everybody

>>216512677
In that case you could say the big bang is god and nothing of value would change.

>you're basically denying your human nature
Meaningless drivel
>and claiming you're above it all, and that you have no such biases
Never claimed this, please quote the part in which you think I did

>>216512852
yes? atheism is the denial of god. you can believe in god and not believe in souls. but I do believe in souls because of my second point >>216511369
my point is that you hold this air of superiority over others, while you're no different at all.

>>216511590
who caused the causer

>>216512967
That's...the point?
You could move to the farthest edge of the chain of causality, but beyond the boundaries of time there has to be an entity or force that doesn't obey the rules of our universe.
It has to have always been, and beyond our comprehension.

>>216512967
the causer would have to be above time and space, and thus our normal logic wouldn't apply to it.

>>216512967
me

>>216513120
Fvck you demiurge

>>216513097
then you can see the logical problems with that?

>>216513097
>but beyond the boundaries of time there has to
You can't know that. You think it is logical it would work that way, but logic doesn't exist outside your mind and doesn't translate to anything real. The ought is not the is.