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>>49512174 (OP)I miss Sperg...
Really pathetic samefagging to keep your OP from dying
>>49512500/jp/ threads take longer than that to reach page 10, tourist-kun
>>49513786Not cool to post this on pride month.
Every post in this thread is from one person.
said it in the last thread and ill say it again,,,, I FUCKING LOVE SATORIKA!!! ITS CANON!!! RAHHHH I LOVE DOOMED TOXIC YURI FUCK SATOKEI
>>49515451Pride month is canceled this year fag
>>49515523I wanna kiss it
How do we feel about Umineko becoming known as the "trans" VN at every convention and meet up?
>>49516313I cringe at westroons and then continue to ignore them and shitposters.
>>49516313>Umineko fans are browns or trannies lmao
>>49516313nothing, because i don't go to conventions and especially not to any these secondary clowns would be at
Satoko needs many steamy baths in all fragments.
>>49516313they should do the same thing sayo did at the end
daily satorika appreciation (toxic yuri on top)
So, Silent Hill f after the new trailer sounds like it's going for the same message/themes as Gou/Sotsu remake, but without getting tied down by Higurashi character or fake remake arcs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpf9LoIWylA
>>49517493SHf is a kakera
Screencap this post
>>49517493Looks like fucking trash, kill yourself Ryukishi
>>49516313Bern was right and I'm a proud GOAT and one-truther.
Don't go to gaysex meetups or conventions anyway.
>>49518198>"......Why... did it have to turn out this way...? Keiichi-san... *sniff*... I... really loved you...as a brother"
>>49518198You love this image so much you should frame it and put it on your wall
>>495185051988? Account doesn't exist? Is this whole thing the picture? I don't get it.
>>49518652>I don't get it.Just like Satoko never got the K1 dick.
>>49515275take your meds you ginger schizo.
>>49518505>>49519179>>49521033Take this to >>>/lgbt/ troonpei-chama
>>49519179I think you missed the scene where she had statuatory rape sex with K1
daily satorika appreciation RAHHHH (satokei is still not canon cope)
>>49521471Check the date chuddy, this is our month
>>49525067What is Satoko in prison for?
>>49525108Being too stinky.
>>49525108not meeting her quota of fucking 10 oji-sans a day
I just like fapping to higu girls
>>49525664Rika shmion Satoko hanyuu and rena
Most often is mion though
>>49525128Isn't the meme that Rika is the stinky one?
Anyone have the pic of the Ooishis lined up with the colour palettes of the main four? Someone put it on /v/ earlier and i cant find it now i want to save it
daily satorika appreciation (satokei still not canon)
>>49515523The most sane poster in the thread
hello anons
please reply with rika ass
only rika allowed
thank you
>>49527682A hanyuu is fine too
Reminder that the literal tranny jannies (scientifically proven fact) endorse the state of these threads and our only recourse is to wait for them to ACK
>>49528356Don't be a fag, Miyao is an onahole
>>49528380I want to hear him become so overwhelmed he begins to cry as he fills my throat with his cum
>>49513786The ONLY good thing to come out of Shitsogyou
>>49528877she did NOT have all that
>>49530451^^^^ ONG DAILY SATORIKA APPRECIATION !!! (obligatory satokei isn't canon,,)
>>49513786He just wanted her to take a bath....
>>49528877I want my face to be rikaโs chair
>>49531937Yasu was born a female, sorry buddy.
I want to /07/th stop being gay and retarded for one thread
reply with satorika fanart ONLY
>>49532279but how did they make it...
>>49530451Good morning to you, my good sir.
>>49532579not canon LOL,,,watch gou and sotsu
>>49533051Read the VN LOL
>>49533100She literally just said that because Keichi went insane, please stop coping,,, why do Satokei mfs always use this one screenshot and ignore ALL OF GOU AND SOTSU,,,
So I'm reading Our Confession finally since I got it working on my Switch; so Beatrice will bribe one of the siblings even before midnight on the first day? Seems kinda unfair. And how can the EP7 Tea Party happen, where all the siblings work together to solve the epitaph? Was one of them bribed but pretended not to be the whole time?
>>49533308>why do Satokei mfs always use this one screenshot from the VN written by Ryukishi and ignore all of Gou and Sotsu a non-canon anime spin-offIf we're bringing in spin-offs let's bring in Keiichi's kids Sakiko and Keitarou into the picture as well
>>49533308>actually satoko still loves K1 even after he goes insaneBased SatoRikatroon dropping a stealth fact
>>49533460>brings in rei mangaRei is literally an AU, literally an alternate timeline, meanwhile Gou&Sotsu are a direct continuation,, LOL
also before you say it, Ryukishi wrote the outline of Gou and Sotsu, so he was involved in them! no bc like you CANNOT compare Rei to GOU AND SOTSU which are OFFICIAL ANIME,,,
I swear Satokei mfs jump through SO MANY HOOPS meanwhile Satorika is RIGHT THERE and SO EASY TO SEE JUST WATCH GOU SOTSU
>>49533477"i LOVED you" Past tense, also she only says that because he's literally gone crazy???? What kind of point is that???
If it's a choice between satokeifag and a yuributa I think I'm taking satokeifag's side on this one.
And if sotsushit is canon then Mei might as well be canon too
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>>49533585>Rei is literally an AUExcept it's not, it follows after the events of Matsuribayashi the same exact way Gou does. And if you REALLY want to get anal about a "direct continuation" then any story that doesn't take place after Saikoroshi isn't canon since that is the epilogue of the Higurashi VN written by Ryukishi himself. With tthe only other story receiving the same statement as the epilouge of Higurashi being Kokoroiyashi-hen which ends with hanyuu literally still around as Rika gets older, a canon official alternative epilouge for the story written fully by Ryukishi himself, contradicting with Gou.
>also before you say it, Ryukishi wrote the outline of Gou and Sotsu, so he was involved in them!He wrote the outline of a script and gave the rest to Passione to figure out, which when compared to Reiwa a story in where he WROTE the entire script and canonically made Satoko a mother ot Keiichis children I think it's safe to say which is more "canon"
>"i LOVED you" Past tense, also she only says that because he's literally gone crazyIf you had read the VN you obvious Gouonly retard you would know that in context she believes Keiichi is about to murder her and is fully exposed, confessing every dark held secret she has within her heart minutes before her death. So even facing what she belives to be certain death she still has it in her heart to confess her feelings to Keiichi and let him know that she knew it was make believe him being her "Nii-Nii" and that he could never take his spot or role as a brother to her but despite that she still loved him. Even better that she absolutly refuses to believe that Keiichi would harm her and believes it to be a demon taking the form of the one she loves most before killing her, which is why she demands the demon to return Keiichi to her as her final words to it before shoving it off the bridge.
Face it, Without Gou Satorika wouldn't have jack shit to stand on with there being ZERO romantic hints or moments in the VN or in any other alternative squeals that Satoko has a inkling of romantic feelings towards Rika as it has always been directed towards Keiichi
>>49533432Our Confession governs the gameboards, which have strict rules. Real life has none, so the siblings just solved the epitaph and the game technically never started. This isn't even getting into the arguments about what Sayo "actually" would have done.
>>49534044Well I just finished and was forced to sit through 15 more minutes of Ryukishi jerking himself off at how special and 2 deep 4 u his story is and I realized I don't really care about Yasu's gay feelings.
>>49534099The VN is pretty bad at making any case for Sayo, but I'm a biased mangachad, so I think she's cute. Read Last Note if you haven't Piece.
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>>49534019>He wrote the outline of a script and gave the rest to Passione to figure out, which when compared to Reiwa a story in where he WROTE the entire scriptHe didn't write the script though. The basic idea for Reiwa came from the Square Enix editors. R07 did contribute to it, but in the final volume, where they finally elaborated more on R07's credits beyond "Original Work"... he's listed just as "supervisor".
>>49534226>>49534019Also, not the anon you were arguing with, but Gou/Sotsu explicitly do take place after Saikoroshi. R07 mentioned Rei on twitter alongside the original and Kai as part of the events that lead to the culmination in Sotsu, and there was also one shot from the hospital scene at the end of the Hanyuu backstory montage.
https://x.com/07th_official/status/1410453234892738567
>>49534226Initally credited as the script writer and creator only for it to be changed in the final volume after the backlash and plummeting sales, I take this final word with a grain of salt. The idea of a sequal story about the groups kids may have been suggested by them but he's the one who decided to make them all married to different people
>>49534263>If you also watch "Mujirushi, Kai, and Rei," I think you'll feel that "Gyo to Sotsu" truly represents a culmination of the series.>I Think, you'll feelnot that it is, also Hanyuu standing over Rika in a hospital bed does not mean it's from Saikoroshi and again you're skipping the elephant in the room in that we see the "witch" side of Rika break off from her at the end of Gou something that would've already happend by the end of Saikoroshi so unless you mean to say there's two Bernkastels out there I'm calling bullshit
>>49534345Don't even get me started on the Bern discrepancies man.
>>49534345>also Hanyuu standing over Rika in a hospital bed does not mean it's from SaikoroshiIt's something that happens after the final confrontation with Takano in that montage. So, it's specifically something post-loops. So, yeah, it's obviously Saikoroshi.
>and again you're skipping the elephant in the room in that we see the "witch" side of Rika break off from her at the end of Gou something that would've already happend by the end of Saikoroshi R07 in interviews always kind of used loose language about that, suggesting it was just an idea or something in his head. Probably because he wanted space to delay the break off like this in a future story if he felt like it. Even in the story, Rika's declaration that Bern is now a separate existence from her comes out of nowhere and you'd only believe it because otherwise these lines are completely pointless.
>>49534345>>49534488I believe there are two Bernkastels that can be talked about. This Bern we're talking about here is a hypothetical. Rika uses the name Bernkastel as a way to differentiate the Rika that has never known loops, lives her days in ignorance of them, and the Rika knows loops and that jumps into that body, taking over it. Bernkastel as the entity that takes the body of "Rika". Her letting go of the name means she no longer has to think of herself as an entity that takes from an innocent "Rika".
But I believe Bernkastel exists prior to that, the entity that proposes XYZ to you in Minagoroshi, the entity that helps Takano reach a different ending. By Umineko she must've heard Rika's conundrum and taken the name for herself. Which comes back to Sotsu making little sense, forcing Saikoroshi Rika into that witch Bern's position when she achieved a completely different character arc.
daily satorika appreciation !! ^^
also LOL the satokei tard got shut down,, thanks anon !!
Good evening, I love SatoRika!
>>49534892Is that Beatrice?
>>49534488>So, yeah, it's obviously Saikoroshi.Obviously it's not as in the clip we get no context as to what was going on there with Hanyuu Telling Rika goodnight and then leaving her something that never happens in Saikoroshi. So if your only proof of Gou taking place after Saikoroshi is this 3 second clip then you're going to have to try harder lol
>>49534729Let it go yurisis there's plenty of yuri works you can like Higurashi just isn't one of them! :)
>>49535064i swear you guys cope so hard and jump through so many hoops just to "disprove" satorika?? literally the simplest answer is often the best: watch gou and sotsu without being biased and look at how much they try to imply satorika. you genuinely have to cope and deny so hard to NOT see it to the point where you're delusional,,,
gou and sotsu are canon and an official continuation, also regarded by the fandom as such almost UNIVERSALLY. Instead of jumping through so many hoops. (also don't get me started on the age gap in satokei... ew)
>>49535089Yes Basedsugou is canon.
However it ruined Higurashi.
Most sane posters prefer that it would never have existed.
>>49535089>>49535101The manga along with Tomato's last second save is just as canon as Passione's shitshow. It shows a far more real ending, proving the yuri is completely tacked on.
OG novels? SatoKei wins
DEEN anime? SatoKei wins
Sotsugyou? SatoKei wins
Meguri? SatoKei wins
Rei(wa)? SatoKei wins
Mei, erodoujinshi, voice dramas, and console? SatoKei wins
>>49535144>Sotsugyou? SatoKei winsplease explain how "satokei wins" here LOL... have we watched the same series?? did you skip EVERY satoko and rika scene???
Deltarune is now Higurashi according to /vg/
>>49535166Satoko kills Rika and never kills Keiichi.
On a chart from truly epic win to loss and defeat, SatoKei is the ultimate winner while SatoRika the irredeemable loser of SotsuGyou.
>>49535395ur literally shitposting because you know you cant disprove satorika LOL !!
satorika victory ^^ satokei still isnt canon!
>>49535567This, but the exact opposite.
>>49534892>those colorsOh no...
>>49535395No, it's the idea of these twisted fuckers that love=murder, torment and evil.
BESIDES Gou&Sotsu are acknowledged by all the community as canon anyways. Literally 99% of the fandom sees them as a continuation and most new higurashi fans are because of Gou&Sotsu and most of the new content from the fandom is based on Gou&Sotsu. Even if u wanna get technical and say "it's not canon" it doesn't matter as ultimately 99% of other people think of it as such, and it's the wide majority of higurashi stuff online !! hope this helps ^^
>>49536141Don't you think you're trying a little too hard
Who is the most horny and slutty Higu?
>>49536967Shion. Her desperation to get fucked is so intense that she goes completely batshit crazy.
>>49535064>Obviously it's not as in the clip we get no context as to what was going on there with Hanyuu Telling Rika goodnight and then leaving her something that never happens in Saikoroshi.What? Those lines are all FROM Saikoroshi. Hanyuu does say goodnight and good dreams to Rika there. The scene in Saikoroshi ends with a black screen right after that and Rika asleep, so Sotsu claiming Hanyuu left after that doesn't contradict anything. We never see Rika waking up with Hanyuu still by her side in Saikoroshi.
>>49536141You mean the show where the vast majority of the fanbase hates and tell newcomers to avoid at all costs? That show? The only people who say SotsuGou is canon are Yuritards and SotsuGou onlys
>>49537528yes, "The only people" you are talking about are the overwhelming majority.
>>49537636Trans people are only 1% of the population actually
>>49537804and 99% of SatoRika fans
daily satorika appreciation !! ^_^
satokei mfs will see this official content and still try to deny higu clearly pushing for satorika. delusional (higu mei has ONE card that's even slightly satokei compared to like 5+ clearly satorika ones btw !!)
>>49540839Satoko looks so cute when she dreams of K1
>>49540997she might be dreaming abt smth else actually !!
>>49540839Mei still was cowardly about it story-wise. The script a few times even had Rika and Satoko admiring each other's appearances something you never get in the OG VN or Gou/Sotsu, like the narration going on about Satoko being drawn by Rika's eyes and such. Even had a story near the ending comparing College Mion being jealous and insecure about Keiichi with high school Rika being jealous and insecure about Satoko. Rika and Satoko talk a lot about still living together in the future and not letting the world split them... but they didn't show or even mention Satoko and Rika at all in the final 1993 epilogue, leaving things completely blank on that side. The final cast party also said the Mei St.Lucia stuff was just a possibility and not necessarily tied to the main plot (so, the reader can believe it went on like that, or not).
>>49541160yeah mkay but you CAN'T look at the cards and tell me they weren't pushing for satorika. it's so obvious
>>49541073Bridge of Keiichi and bride of Akasaka.
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>>49541191bridge scene is taken out of context btw !! satokei mfs will literally see a traumatized child having a mental breakdown and call it romance... LOL
she literally calls him "nii-nii" the entire time because she's coping with her actual brother being gone. she's in a state of extreme abuse and thinks her surrogate brother and protector is about to murder her, and you think this is the perfect time for a romantic confession??? her crying "i loved you" is her having a breakdown because her 'hero' has literally gone insane. it's not "i'm secretly in love with you" it's "i loved you LIKE FAMILY and trusted you and now this is happening??". you have to be so delusional and jump through so many hoops to see it as romantic. it's literally platonic affection and if you see it as anything else you're just a creep.
meanwhile let's compare this ONE MOMENT to every single satoko and rika scene in Gou&Sotsu...
satorika victory ^^
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There is only one ship.
>>49541512Satokeiniggers and satorikatroons btfo
Yeah for me it's got to be Doomslayer Rika
I liked the Mei hanyuu that showed off her fat buttcheeks
>>49541946I've got you brother
>>49541512Non-canon, troonppei is canonically trans.
>>49542135Don't forget this one...
>>49542336Gonna miss these cards
>>49542384Not gonna miss "fans" like you.
>>49542560Bait used to be believable.
>>49542560What are you the type of person to cover your eyes at fanservice?
Or are you one of those types that hate gacha with all your soul
>>49542135Yep, thatโs the one right there. Glorious goat butt, would worship it.
>>49541174Like I said, they went really over the top with the shipping. You'd have to be blind to not see it as romantic in Mei, not just the illustrations but even script. I'm just saying they chickened out on the ending leaving them completely off-screen without saying one word about them.
canon? not canon? how about you just accept both can happen in different fragments? or neither, for that matter?
>>49544405Sorry but get some taste. These stories are forced and have no soul.
You want soulful yuri go watch Nanoha. This is just slop to capitalize on yuributa like you who came into Higurashi like a flood of braindead zombies begging for what? Pouty looks and handholding at most.
Why you people have such low standards I'll never understand. Mei has some good stories right beside this slop, making for such a funny contrast.
>>49542626When is overdone and badly put in.
And I hate the gacha with all my soul (thanks cumsumers)....
>>49542592Tell that with every single "Ryukishi07 is stil a good writter" comment in this last years...
>>49512174 (OP)>Yes Hackysi07, we know that you trying to hide behind you actual shitty fanbase in order to be a lazy fuck, we know...https://www.reddit.com/r/Higurashinonakakoroni/comments/1l73eps/stop_hyping_yourself_up_ryukishi/
>>49545317>overdone and badly put inBy badly put in I assume you mean it clashes with the work.
But this is a secondary work. There's no overdoing or clashing here. Please get over yourself.
Lurk a millions years and play HiguJan before crying about Mei fanservice.
>>49545344>Please get over yourself.>Put notstop shitty gacha pics.Shitty WTC fanbase, never change...
daily satorika appreciation !! (also here's LITERAL confirmation of satorika by ryukishi07 !!)
>>49545493>I wanter to portray a relationship that couldn't be labeled as romantic love or yuriSisters...
>>49545532"To get close in INTIMACY that exceeds gender and romantic love"
"then it might be considered yuri"
read. he meant that their relationship is way past gender. if you don't still interpret this as yuri, you are delusional.
>>49545557Sorry it can't be labeled as yuri. The fact that it's past love and past gender confirms they only have familiar love for each other.
>>49545562shitposting because you lost to satorika yet again !! ^_^ (ryukishi07 literally said it could be labeled as yuri)
>>49545570>>I wanter to portray a relationship that couldn't be labeled as romantic love or yuriSister?
>>49545712>"To get close in intimacy that exceeds gender and romantic love">"then it might be considered yuri"read! he says they are intimate and it can be considered yuri.
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ryukishi07 says he chose a same gender relationship specifically to portray an "intimacy that exceeds gender and romantic love." he is describing a unique intimacy and relationship that is so deep it transcends conventional categories which is why he doesn't flat out call it yuri !!
you keep ignoring is his own conclusion: "If you were to call intimacy that exceeds gender yuri, then it might be considered yuri."
you like mei because it has shipping bait
i like mei because it has crazy vn crossovers
we are not the same
https://youtu.be/maNOB5L6iPo
Good morning
I love Troonppei!
>>49545858Why did you edit the trannybane to include the word intimacy?
>>49546414>might be considered a yuri>to call it a "same sex relationship" would be betterhe literally confirms it... again... what is your point here?
it's just different translations !! not a big deal it's the same thing !!
points still stand btw !! he said there's more to it than just romance. which means it includes romance. the romance aspect is still there.
don't forget all of meguri btw.
ryukishi will come to my country this year
what should i ask him?
>>49546720ask him abt satorika !! :) we could use some clarity
>>49546885Dumb Troonpper, you can't dilate with an ashtray.
>>49546624The interview debunks SatoRika, the feelings can't be romantic, and nowhere it says more than romantic.
I've only read Higurashi back in 2018 and haven't touched any of the anime or manga spin offs, Is all this discussion coming from the new anime seasons? Did Gou add scenes that pushed their relationship in that direction? I've tried to backread a bit, but it's all confusing. I'm just trying to figure out if Gou really that bad in terms of Satoko and Rika's relationship? Is it made canon or really hinted at, or is it just the community that's pushing it? What about the manga, what happens there? What's the difference between Gou and the manga in terms of being canon / contribution from Ryukishi?
>>49542135WHY IS IT SO BIG?
>>49547471Gou/Sotsu is a sequel to the original story based on an original story outline from R07 with added details and script by the anime staff to flesh it out into a full story. For the parts recycled from the original story, they inconsistently reference the VN or Deen anime.
Gou/Meguri manga is based on both the R07 outline and anime assets, like location and character sheets, but with the ending (and a bunch of stuff leading to it) changed into something different by the manga artist. It consistently references the previous manga versions regarding past events, unless they're overwritten by official Gou/Sotsu reference material (for example, Mion's father doesn't appear in the anime, so he gets to keep the manga design, but Keiichi's father appears and so the manga goes with the Gou/Sotsu design for him rather than the manga's), but also has some minor references to anime-only stuff and even the Mei mobile game when they don't clash with previous events.
They never get into an actual relationship in Gou/Sotsu or Gou/Meguri, in fact, most of the plot is about how their obsession is unhealthy. They're clearly obsessed with each other though, to the point that in the anime it comes off like they don't even care about the other club members (or even family in Satoko's case regarding Satoshi) at all. The manga Gou/Meguri solves this part of the problem at least and clearly shows they care for their friends.
The anime's final episode also ends with them outright giving the Bern/Lambda farewell speech from the end of Umineko, which makes the intention for this relationship fairly obvious.
>>49547699Also, R07 has had this idea for years, just seemed to have no idea how to implement it in a story before Gou/Sotsu came up.
Rika is obsessed with Satoko in the original story already, but the other way around was fairly arguable (and of course, you could argue this obsession wasn't romantic). But he seemed to have the idea of making Satoko obsessed with Rika too years ago.
For example, one of the apparent "retcons" in Gou/Sotsu is Rika and Satoko making a promise in Matsuribayashi to stay together forever. That promise originally happened in their team story from Daybreak Mega (and old action game relased for the PSP), which had a R07 script.
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>>49547719I see, thanks this was very helpful. Not the biggest fan of the Satoko and Rika pairing but I can see that it was very clearly intended and I'll respect it. In my opinion it seems useless and a waste of time to argue for this as it seems all the new content is pushing for them to be a couple, I don't really see how there's any counterargument against the very evident lesbian Satoko and Rika direction from the new material, and as you said the Bern/Lambda speech confirmed it, and knowing that Ryukishi was directly involved in it means that it can be considered canonical too. I recommend the people arguing against lesbian Satoko to just take the L and move on as the franchise is clearly heading in that direction, though some of the people advocating for Satoko and Rika can be very annoying sometimes (literally this thread the past few days...). What is the "Rei" manga about, if I may ask? Was Ryukishi heavily involved in it too? I tried looking it up but there's so many new characters and it was confusing.
>>49547471now, in contrast to all that the other guy posted, in another continuation released arouind the same time called rei (not to be confused with the OTHER rei), satoko's a happily married MILF with a kid with some random never before seen kimiyoshi guy
basically what you've gotta understand is that in reality ryukishi does NOT care about this shit nearly as much as the fans seem to
>>49547754Rei is another sequel, completely unrelated to Gou/Sotsu/Meguri/Mei, where 30 years later, aside from Rika, all club members are married with children to random never seen before people.
R07 was just supervisor of this story though, and the basic premise came from Square Enix's editors who apparently had been asking for it since the original manga ended.
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>>49547719Reminder Rika's other team up story was Rena.
And they set it up and fucking WASTED it.
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>>49547759Interesting, that's honestly pretty unexpected. Sadly even if Ryukishi doesn't care, he still confirmed it and made it canon, so the annoying fans and posers will still parade it around as a lesbian series or getting people into it with the premise of it having lesbian characters... I think that's the part that annoys me most.
>>49547471Basically the Higurashi world is now divided into pre-sotsu and post-sotsu. It's an abomination, it's a cursed plague.
At the very least the manga does a kind of swerve at the end to avoid the stupidity of the anime.
>>49547754>it seems all the new content is pushing for them to be a couple, I don't really see how there's any counterargument against the very evident lesbian Satoko and Rika direction from the new materialYou literally only have sotsu. And that ended in such a strange and nonsensical way, they like have witches grow inside them then leave their bodies.
Even the manga moves away from that direction.
>>49547873From what the other anon said, I assumed Sotsu was the most popular / canon continuation, so I assumed it to be the standard.
I'll try and catch up with all the new material to determine though, maybe there's hope? I don't know it seems a little foolish but from what I remember after reading Higurashi I would have never envisioned Satoko and Rika together, and even now it just feels weird to me.
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>>49547804There should be a list of how many times promotional shit seemed to hint at something only for nothing to come from any of it.
Here's an old panel from before Ryukishi went insane
>>49547891>from what I remember after reading Higurashi I would have never envisioned Satoko and Rika together, and even now it just feels weird to methat's what happens when there's basically nothing suggesting that kind of relationship in the original, only for a continuation to push it as the main focus.
>>49547873>they like have witches grow inside them then leave their bodies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZUVeMtYXc
>>49547891There's no hope, but if you haven't seen it yet have fun with the abomination I guess. It's not just the psuedo-yuri oddness that is bad about it. It turns upside-down the themes of the original: forgiveness, life having inherit meaning, crimes needing strong motives, friendship and trust. It's like an evil inversion, and all for the sake of spectacle.
They try to force Rika and Satoko into Bernkastel and Lambda, but they kind of flub it so the personalities are wildly different from even those well written witches. That's part of what the yuri aspect comes from, trying to fit them into that mold by force.
The mangaka changes the end, so I recommend you read that as a pallet cleanser. At least, it was for me. I really enjoyed seeing that demonic scheme get turned around cause maybe Tomato-san understands like we all do that the ending is garbage.
>>49547891>From what the other anon said, I assumed Sotsu was the most popular / canon continuation, so I assumed it to be the standard.It's not very liked, but it's the most well known since it was a very marketed anime.
The mobile game Mei also heavily referenced Gou/Sotsu although it had its own take on Gou/Sotsu's ideas and was explicitly a parallel universe to Gou/Sotsu. This one was fairly well known among the Japanese fanbase, but due to no translation, it's mostly known in the West for the card art and crossovers.
>>49547892Oh yeah the ribbon.
Something must've happened with the script what the fuck.
>>49547732satokei mfs will look at this and still try to deny it !! SATORIKA VICTORY ^_^
>>49547699she says it so many times and people still cope so hard.
>>49547998What "she say it so many times"? That Hackysi07 shouldnยดt have the rights of When They Cry a long time ago?
>>49548021the image...? of the post...? look at it...
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>>49548037Donยดt waste you time with this shit anymore at this point, my dear "young" Gou/Sotsu fan. Shitยดs gonna hit the fan at this point...
>>49548047literally everyone outside of here already believes in satorika dw !! nothings gonna hit the fan its been going in the satorika direction ever since gou&sotsu ^^ maybe u ppl should stop wasting ur time debating against it instead
>>49548063>Sources: Trust my shitty tastes of wich divide a community, and a lazy hack took advantage bro
>>49548077umm im sorry are you literally mad because of 2 female characters kissing and being paired together?? where the pairing has been hinted at throughout the entire series?? are you even a fan?? grow up ^^
>>49548120>Say the "fan" who actually has to grown up with this "overpositive" garbage, and being blind and stupid about the real problems that the bad writted anime fanfiction brought.
>>49548120you forgot the "now forget me while I consume the rotten glass of cum that is gonna to be the overprice Silent Hill f" part...
>>49548167satokei mfs when you literally just bring up facts and canon info:
>>49548194Just stop touching yourself while writting this kind of shit, unless you want to make yourself look even more ridiculous, of course.
Maybe satokei aint so bad
suppose it was only a matter of time before someone bit the bait
>>49548319If only you know how bad thinks are gonna to be to put the last child of Rance in a WTC material...(?)
>>49548325Eh sorta
Looks like Miyao to me.
>>49548325>the last child of Rancehow many does he have?
>>49547471It's actually nothing to do with Higurashi, it's all thanks to some famous fatty called Joseph Anderson who is currently streaming Umineko. Many of his fans read ahead and then moved backwards on to Higurashi, which is why the discussion is so fucking bad right now, a bunch of zoomer speedreaders are shitting it up
>>49548443Is this why people keep pushing the cringe lambda timejump theory too
>>49548461I have no idea what that is, but maybe.
>>49548443That could definitely something that contributes to it (I don't know how his audience is like, so I don't know whether they'd push satorika or not), but I also see many people on "newer" platforms like popular Discord servers and mostly YouTube (and even Twitter) who contribute to the Satorika, and even TikTok apparently (where it's allegedly the most widespread: "literally everyone in the comments can't stop talking about satorika it's draining") from what I've heard. Safe to say, the "newer" communities on these platforms are also the ones with the most posers and tourists, who have not read the novel, which explains why Satorika is spread so much.
can I ask about kizuna here, or is it a gatekept server?
>>49548498Kizuna welcomes humans of all races, genders, sexes and religions
>>49548120>throughout the entire seriesShow me one example of Satoko holding any romantic feelings towards Rika from the VN
This ship is the antithesis of everything Modern Higurashi and it's new modern fanbase stands for, Satoko has always been the heart of Higurashi and Keiichi as always been the one willing to protect and die for that heart for Higurashi itself. Gou is the firm rejection of the soul of Higurashi and of everything it once stood for. This ship invokes such ire and hate due to it threatening the fantasy Goutards have built for themselves.
>>49547719>but the other way around was fairly arguable (and of course, you could argue this obsession wasn't romantic).How exactly was Satoko obsessed with Rika in the original story?
>>49534345The way I see it is Rika is Bernkastel. Since the looping never ends, time becomes meaningless. Yes, even the miracle fragments.
Bern is what happens when you don't think about looping anymore, but living every fragment simultaneously.
What we are watching are fragments and because Bern transcends that, she was always there. I think of her as an amalgamation of all Rikas over all fragments.
>>49548583Rika's mentions in Minagoroshi that she's the closest to Satoko's heart and best one to persuade her (and then she does so in the call). You also get the scene with Rika saying Satoko can't sleep away from her (and then Shion jokes about Satoko's body screaming for Rika, which Satoko angry and running after her. If this were a boy and a girl people would 100% take it as denying obvious romantic interest).
Like I said, this is all minor and arguable though, but I'd say there's enough evidence you can't really outright say R07 was lying about them always being meant to be close like that, and that just not getting focus in the narrative.
>>49548547except there's NOT just the original VN anymore dude !! watch Gou&Sotsu! You can't just use "original VN only" as an excuse anymore! I repeat that Gou&Sotsu is an OFFICIAL canon continuation, on the same level as the VN. Not an argument
>>49548649Imagine a whole franchise being completly destroy, because some hack has some yuri wank bait, wich destroy everything that he try to build...
>>49548635>Rika's mentions in Minagoroshi that she's the closest to Satoko's heart and best one to persuade her (and then she does so in the call).Disingenuous, just because RIKA thinks she's the closest to Satoko doesn't mean she actually is lmao. If this was the case then how come in none of the previous 100 years of looping was Rika able to convince Satoko to go to CPS or come home with her. And saying that she was able to "persuade her" from that call is so scummy knowing that Satoko was on the verge of breaking and asking for help talking with KEIICHI only for Rika to demand the phone to talk with her.
>Rika saying Satoko can't sleep away from her (and then Shion jokes about Satoko's body screaming for Rika, which Satoko angry and running after her. If this were a boy and a girl people would 100% take it as denying obvious romantic interest).Ah yes the same scene where Satoko proceedes to beat the shit out of Shion for implying she was gay lmao, clear indication that Satoko was madly in love with Rika. And Rika saying Satoko can't sleep away from her is just wrong. Your problem is you seem to think anything Rika says in infallable and cannot be questioned but if you had read the VN you'd see how utterly wrong and retarded she is for like 99% of Minagoroshi. Are Satoko and Rika close? Yes, Satoko believes they're best friends not that she wants to fuck her. If we're going off this same sort of logic then if Ryukishi makes a sequel where Keiichi wants to fuck his dad since they also live in the same house and even more he loves his parents then it would make sense?
>>49548649Then enjoy the equally canon story where Keiichi cums inside Satoko twice :)
>>49548676I sure I remember those better times of wich the horny WTC cunts wasnยดt only suposse to be "muh waffle Rika can fuck Satoko as 8000 harder and inverse" shit...
>>49548676>If we're going off this same sort of logic then if Ryukishi makes a sequel where Keiichi wants to fuck his dad since they also live in the same house and even more he loves his parents then it would make sense?Was there a joke about Keiichi wanting to fuck his dad in the original that got Keiichi to actually react over it in an over the top way? Like I said, that kind of reaction just adds weight to the joke.
>If this was the case then how come in none of the previous 100 years of looping was Rika able to convince Satoko to go to CPS or come home with her.Because Rika was a depressed mess that often just gave up once Teppei showed up, especially after her attempt to take him on directly was said to just backfire and make him torture Satoko more (although this is complete bullshit, no way Teppei could touch Rika and then just go on in his businesses in Hinamizawa). In Tatarigoroshi itself you get Rika talking about how Keiichi can make Satoko smile like she can't, while in Minagoroshi now that she has hope and believes in the future she claims that position for herself.
>>49548711This shitty horny garbage is "improving" by the second, holy fucking shit...
No wonder the shit that Hackysi07 is gonna to eat...
>>49548676>Then enjoy the equally canon story where Keiichi cums inside Satoko twice :)ryukishi07's role in Gou&Sotsu: Gave a long detailed plot and idea concept
ryukishi07's role in Reiwa: Only credited for making original higurashi...
>>49548732>Gou and Sotsu>having a "long detailed plot and idea concept"
>>49548732Oh yes, the cool idea concept of destroy an entire francise because "duh i wanna have horny retards in my fanbase".
>>49548443the dude has done so much damage its wild
>>49548774Wich one, Ryukishi07 or that youtuber?
Because in my case, both.
>>49548649And then the manga superseded your shitty anime. Sorry but FRIENDSHIP is and always will be the ultimate ship.
>>49548796Who cares, this lore is a piece of shit anyways.
>>49548796umm literally look at the panels? FRIENDSHIP??? Next level cope
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>>49548850I kinda feel sorry for you yuributa. You don't have friends so you wouldn't know. You can only goon to pretending to be a part of lez relationships, not understanding what Higurashi is all about.
>>49548881there's literally satorika in meguri too dumbass !! it's like sotsu&gou in that regard !! your point makes no sense, if anything you're just coping,,
>>49548932what about if you see this panel???? and you still think there is no tension?
>>49548969MOTHERFUCKER PEDO PIECE OF SHIT! STOP!
Nobody gives a crap about this yuri shit that hackysi07 started with this destroyer community garbage, because he doensยดt have any talent left at this point; and the only "solution" is doing the same shit with Silent Hill as a desperate attempt...
>>49548969>please, masturbate as me by looking at this poor taste of plot, I beg you anon!
>>49549001you are just fucking bitter because you can't stand 2 girls kissing in your "totally ruined series" lol,, you are so pathetic it's unreal. get real
>>49548969I think you haven't read the manga. That happens in the "past" you know. Things end up different to how the anime ends, that's why I'm bringing it up in the first place. If you insist his "gou idea" is canon then the manga is the same thing, except it changed to a more believable and in character end. And Tomato took just as much liberties with that idea as Passione.
>>49549026still ends in heavy satorika yuri implication to the point where trying to deny it is delusional
>>49549024>No, I arenยดt the one who isnยดt bitter for being a lover loser in real life; you are the one, you who is pointing the bad writing, shame, SHAME!
>>49549030Stop thinking about your fetish for a second please. You're a retard who would throw away beautiful characters for the sake of forcing a plot point. I'm sure if you really wanted to write that way it could've been believable. But you're arguing for the beautiful character Satoko to muddy herself in murder and evil, and the beautiful character Rika to do away with her friendships and love of her village, and the good end she earned.
You are stupid, even for a /u/fag.
I recommend Nanoha for well written /u/shit.
If you support sotsu it's pretty clear you've never seen it well written before, otherwise you'd understand you don't have to sacrifice character for (implied) relationship shit.
>>49549037bad writing or not, satorika is still canon.
>>49549045>throw away beautiful charactersbut the beautiful characters are still there. that's the thing. if 2 of them getting in a relationship is them "getting thrown away", please grow up.
>for the sake of forcing a plot pointit's not even forced, it's literally the entire plot of gou&sotsu, and also very present in meguri. the only place where satorika isn't explicitely shown to the viewer is the original vn and even then there are PLENTY of scenes that are meant to be interpreted as satorika.
regardless of whatever you might think about the series, you cannot deny that gou&sotsu and meguri heavily imply satorika. that doesn't ruin the characters at all, especially in the case of meguri, and if you think it does, you might need to re-read this entire franchise. if anything, meguri and gou&sotsu satorika served as resolution for these 2 characters, one they needed. it's the perfect end. just admit you don't like seeing girls be together and move on. ugh
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>>49549169Murdering her friends, torturing her friends and laughing about her trauma and paling around with Teppei destroys Satoko's beautiful character.
Giving up on the village and her friends, implying that those lives suddenly don't matter destroys Rika's beautiful character. The insistence on St.Lucia is forced and makes no sense on top of that. As does the forced Featherine situation. Sotsu is a multi-faceted failure and you only care about one point in the whole story. Again I say you're a terrible yuributa who only thinks about one facet of the story, not caring about quality. "Is it /u/" is the only character writing you care about. What a shallow life you must live.
The (as canon as the anime) manga knows this and that's why it course corrects, though a little too late for my taste.
If you're not a troll prove it by giving me your top 5 /u/ stories.
>>49549347Whether Meguri "corrects its course" or not doesn't matter, satorika is still one of the main themes and is still explicitely intended & meant to be interpreted as such ^^ furthering proving that satorika is all but confirmed by the direction of modern higurashi lol. you CANNOT deny that satorika was clearly intended in Meguri. i'd honestly love to see you try and somehow disprove that as you'd literally need to be top tier coping&delusional
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>>49549426>satorika is still one of the main themesNever in question, you're retreating to it being a theme is funny.
>satorika was clearly intended in MeguriWhatever the original intention was, aren't you arguing about the result? The direction, the end point. I would think Meguri course correcting it's ending means a lot. It shows even Tomato who has nothing against that ship as show by his twitter art realizes how badly it's written in Sotsu.
>direction of modern higurashiNow this is speculation but we can try and break it down.
What's happened since the anime shitshow? 1. Ryu who is always sensitive to fan perception has to write a cope and justification in Hou+ outlining how "it's just Satoko getting the gunk out of her heart" in the character wrap up style, as they try to downplay the murder rampage she went on.
2. Reiwa introduces a future scenario with no /u/ in play at all.
3. Mei finishes up and though it had been following the anime closely it changes the ending as mentioned before. What do you think the reason for this was?
4. Ryu continues to delay Ciconia and writes some NTR story about a bunnygirl (he's gone off the deepend)
5. The gacha end of services after a few years. While there were plenty of what if stories and crossovers in the gacha, some /u/ (playing off the anime), many not, the main story had absolutely no satorika. Goodnight sweet gacha
Now what direction exactly are you talking about? The theme of Sotsu oh yeah. That's no direction, that's a single point on a graph buddy. And again you're only content to argue about canon, you don't give a shit about quality or character. That's all you are, a fetishist.
>>49549611>5. The gacha end of services after a few years. While there were plenty of what if stories and crossovers in the gacha, some /u/ (playing off the anime), many not, the main story had absolutely no satorika. Goodnight sweet gachaThere was the scene where Mei Satoko finally was able to remember previous worlds and talked with the previous "Satoko", with her going on about Rika being the gap that was lacking in her heart, and devoting her life to her since it was her own choice, rather than just leaning on Satoshi. During this they also insert a scene among the Matsuribayashi flashbacks where Satoko is bothered by Akasaka saving Rika and Rika hugging him, even though she even tells herself she should be happy Rika was safe. That said, after taking out Takano she was unconscious for the rest of the main plot, so there isn't even any real interactions between this version of Satoko and Rika after that initial outburst.
Although, yeah, either way, Mei is over now.
>>49550055I'll miss Mei.
Man if only the anime had just been a gacha commercial like it was probably meant to be.
>>49548502>Kizuna welcomes humans of all racesNiggerbros...It might be over...
>>49550249klawbros... we won
daily satorika appreciation ^^
>>49549611>I would think Meguri course correcting it's ending means a lot.erm i like good writing as much as the next person, what exactly proves my point is that Meguri still changed course and all YET satorika was kept and a major plot point. i'm not arguing about just Gou&Sotsu because i can see it's flaws, but you have to agree that satorika isn't an inherent thing that "ruins the characters", again look at Meguri. what you're failing to understand is that i'm simply saying that gou&sotsu and meguri, which are the continuations regarded as the most "canonical", there is satorika. it is literally something that all of the people involved in higu want, ryukishi included. Meguri might have "superceded" Gou&Sotsu and have "a better ending", and it also has satorika.
also i like how you call me a fetishist just because i try to explain the VERY OBVIOUS rika and satoko pairing in the series to people who are so stuck up on it that they cope and deny it?? projection much?? literally all i want is to show how satorika is canon
What the FUCK did Rika mean by this?
>>49550459I think we've come to an understanding then. Yes the satorika relation is a "theme" that is the centerpiece sotsugou and Meguri. Unfortunately it's done in such a crappy way it attacks all the morality and quality of real original Higurashi. You're concerned with canon and theme, I'm concerned with quality and character.
In regards to the future of the series and any new material, you want your ship to be not just a what if branch but a trunk to cement it as commonly accepted. You start with that goal and want to confirm your bias.
I'm taking an approach with nuance. Since I have no hope for quality either way. I see that the sotsu story as a sequel was a one and done so far. I see that Ryukishi has always been overly sensitive to fan input. He thought people would love the yuri ship so he panders to it, to the point of even suggesting he'd write an evil story about Rika going insane out of jealousy for the Satoko/Satoshi relationship. "If the fans want it enough wink wink". Obviously nobody wants more out of character crap, so the idea died in it's crib. I see Ryu waffling about with random projects like Silent Hill and the bunny girl manga. I don't see your ship being a "trunk" any time soon. It's just a branch. Original Higurashi will always be the only trunk to this tree if you get what I mean. You can still tell whatever shipping story you want from the branches, but it was a one and done.
You've said "cope" like 20 times so at this point I think you're just projecting. Learn to live with the fact that your ship is a what if. Or don't I guess, it won't matter in the end. Ryu's next project will probably be something stupid either way.
>>49550516look anywhere on twitter or any place related to higurashi online and you will quickly see that satorika is the most widespread pairing to the point where it is regarded as canon by the majority of ppl! it is already cemented as commonly accepted and more ^^ it is def not a one and done lol its what the entire community talks about these days. maybe you should look around higurashi spaces a bit? unless you already did and saw that im exactly right about the community and you are just coping with the "satorika is one and done" :3
>>49550523I think it's a credit to how bad this place has gotten that I don't even think you're trolling when you talk like a 14 year old girl...
Higurashi answer arcs are based, why did everyone say they're bad?
>>49550697Don't think I've ever heard someone say "answer arcs" are bad.
People just have some problems with stuff in Matsuri.
>>49550697>>49550798Yeah, it's Matsuribayashi's 2nd half specifically that people complain about.
>>49550516>>49550523So is Satoko x Rika definitely proven canon or not? I'm not understanding anything between this argument and all the Higu sequels...
>>49551317Basically, there's no guarantee a new Higu sequel will push it again. However, note the big modern sequel without it (the new Rei trilogy) performed badly in Japan -and- had R07 taking the credit of just "supervisor" by the end, saying the basic concept came from Square Enix's editors and he went along with them after they insisted for years. So, he's distance himself from that even more than Gou/Sotsu.
So, we'll see, I guess? Not a big sequel, but he's putting out a short novel about the Higurashi cast writing their own doujinshi. It will be interesting to see what he has for the Satoko/Rika segment...
>>49512174 (OP)>Kizuatowhats the connection to R07? it's in archive under Manga
bit off topic I guess but you guys should know
what about that silent hill game Ryukishi was working on?
>>49551383It flopped (I'm from future)
>>49551398phase 2 is not out yet
>>49551383Considering how not that great the remake of Silent Hill 2 was, is gonna be AT THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, only "popular" by normies in the first weeks, and then the obligatory "this game is shit in reality" will happen (then again, if the people doesnยดt know/care of how shitty the writter is within his latest works and the pedo content that he did).
>>49551495>Hack needs more Happy Meals in order to care again
>>4955137807th Expansion's first work was producing cards for "Leaf Fight", a TCG which featured many characters Leaf games. Kizuato's original source is a Leaf VN.
https://sai-zen-sen.jp/works/extras/faust07higurashi/01/01.html
This interview also cites it directly as one of his inspirations, like the idea of a cast party after the dark main plot was done in the Kizuato VN.
>>49550459>"omg look satoko and rika hold hands and hold their heads close one time in the anime! this means they must be so yuri lesbian for each other satorika is canon!">Literally all of rei, where satoko gets married with a man and has a daughter>"it's because HACKishi wasn't involved in it! satorika is definitely still canon and intended!"
>>49551635Mr. Kimiyoshi is a lucky dog
>>49551371Hey you never know maybe they can be the ones to write Ciconia 2 for Ryukishi
>>49551635You also have side-content like in the Higurashi Sotsu reading drama written by R07 himself Satoko had little interest in Eua's super love magatama because she already has Rika eternally.
The question is if we'll see this characterization going forward in non-Gou/Sotsu stuff. Obviously it was nowhere in Reiwa, but that turned out to be an old concept anyway. In a Ciconia themed booklet from 2022, where characters from various 07th Expansion series were showing various presentations, R07 had Satoko and Rika redoing the Chandelier suicide just for fun. Of course, that was closer to Sotsu's airing/marketing. He did a similar booklet afterwards in 2023, but that one was actually exclusive to Ciconia characters.
doesn't satoko fall in love with k1 in meguri?
>>49552409>modern Square Enix>the ones to write Ciconia 2 for hackysi07
>>49553440Of course she does
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>>49553440No? Some anons here had that theory due to her scene with Keiichi in Tataridamashi, but it turned out to be the same as the anime. There was no real weight to it.
The manga suggests Satoko is still closer to Rika than any of the other club members even in the post-high school timeskip, with Rika taking her to the club meeting.
>>49548711>Was there a joke about Keiichi wanting to fuck his dad in the original that got Keiichi to actually react over it in an over the top way? Like I said, that kind of reaction just adds weight to the joke.There's multiple jokes about Keiichis dad making him become his model after cross dressing and his friends joking about his dad painting him in which he gets pissed about. On fucking par with Satoko getting pissed about Shion calling her a faggot.
> In Tatarigoroshi itself you get Rika talking about how Keiichi can make Satoko smile like she can't, while in Minagoroshi now that she has hope and believes in the future she claims that position for herself.So Rika is someone who doesn't know jack shit about what Satoko actually thinks and then has her ego grow ten times it size in Minagoroshi despite doing close to nothing in that entire chapter? Yeah, exactly what I said. Just because Rika says something and believes it doesn't mean it's true that's the whole point of her character for most of the story that she can't do things on her own and that her own misunderstanding of people and things is why things get worse in the first place
Doesn't Meguri not even end in SatoRika anyway? It ends with the club literally beating sense into Satoko and reminding her that her world is bigger than one person. The story's conclusion is that their co-dependent, toxic obsession was the problem, and the solution was for them to separate and trust in their wider circle of friends. If anything, Meguri deliberately changes the ending from Gou's shitty yuri-witch ending into a way more neutral, and arguably, platonic one. I fail to see how SatoRika is "proven" by Meguri's ending, and it definitely isn't pushed as much as Gou does. In my opinion if it ended in SatoRika it just makes the entire story useless. If Rika's ultimate fate is to be eternally bound to Satoko in an exclusive relationship, did she truly win? Or did she just trade one prison for another?
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>>49554210Meguri changes the culprit from trying to hold onto the Rika/Satoko bond specifically to Satoko not having faith in the future and trying to hold onto the past in general in an unhealthy way.
In the conclusion, she finally gives a chance to the future even if it's uncertain and she's now carrying guilty for all her sins.
They don't walk out of Meguri with the narrative pretending all these tragedies helped them somehow, but rather with both of them scarred in a way only each other can understand.
>>49554244Satoko and Rika's dynamic is so interesting and honestly unique; I've never seen something like it before. It genuinely annoys me how "fans" and Passione simplified it to them just being lesbian. Because a bond like what Satoko and Rika have genuinely feels like something else entirely; I can't see romance between them. It's familial, but I'd say it's even past that. I hate how people take advantage of this unique bond just to get new people into the series under the pretense "oh these 2 characters are lesbian, watch it for the yuri" as that's possibly the worst thing that can be said about Higurashi. I'm not even advocating or a fan of things like SatoKei, I genuinely just don't want to see Satoko and Rika get together romantically as that would invalidate their entire dynamic throughout the entire series. Now I see why people say Gou ruined the characters, and honestly I think this is also what Ryukishi was was trying to convey in the yuri interview. Although I think my hope is getting less and less seeing the direction of Higurashi.
There's zero reason to be against Satokei as a ship
>>49554304Not even necessarily against it, but it's hard to even talk about it outside of here due to the entire community dickriding SatoRika and insulting anyone against it. So I don't bother
umineko ost got me hittin the woah and nae nae
>>49554690You keep saying this as if you can will it to be true but you're really only talking about the EN "community" on reddit and your twitter circle.
>>49554304Too canon (and cute) for my tastes.
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daily satorika appreciation !! ^^
>>49555457I mean. Face it, it's really not on just "twitter and reddit circles" anymore, sadly. To say otherwise, is admittedly, cope. Literally everywhere in the EN community now. I don't speak any other languages either, so the EN community is the only one I can engage with too. I cannot escape it and any discussion regarding Higurashi usually ends up with shitty SatoRika discourse. Even all over YouTube, in the meme videos, it's all just SatoRika. If only it was just on "reddit and my twitter circle". Look around and you'll get what I mean
I still think it's insane to come away from Umineko thinking Lambdadelta is meant to be anyone other than Takano. I will never watch Gou or Sotsu.
>>49557075None of what you said really means anything. You're repeating your own empty words like "look around". Around where?
I guess "reddit, some EN twitter circles" and now we can add "meme videos I saw on youtube" to the list.
Why are you so obsessed with trying to convince people this ship is more than any other. You've spent like hours in this thread trying to convince people.
This is why I hate shippers. You're so fucking autistic.
There's not even much Higurashi fan buzz anymore anyways. The last youtube video I saw was this by the way. It was just pretty cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57tiL6VEnc
Look on pixiv and you'll see a pretty normal spread of fetishes. Look on JP twitter tags and it seems pretty normal too. Just mind the ocean of AI slop.
>>49557376>You're so fucking autistic.True, imagine spending years defending a non-canon ship.
>>49557519I mean yeah, I'd hardly call that "can't get away from it"
Just stop hanging around reddit and MAL? Or go back.
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>>49557526>non-canonExcept it's literally an official continuation. And it's more canon than anything else like Reiwa for sure. Ryukishi07 could literally come up to you and say "Gou and Sotsu are canon" and you would still find a way to deny it.
hang yourself shitokonigger aijeet
>>49557815Shitty modern WTC """fans""" once again
trying to defend the indefensible...
>>49557815>canon because shitty hack went into a bar, drunk as shit, and thought: "gonna make this shitty love plot out of nowhere, and destroy all that I created. Gonna gain tons of money for horney cocksuckers!"
>>49558763>and almost forgot, Featherine/Ikuko/Eua, and company are the villans of WTC, and Hackysi07 the pedo heroe, clearly
>>49558763Okay. So?
At the end of the day, it's still canon, doesn't matter how much you cry and seethe about it.
>>49558781>very rich for the one who ACTUALLY cries with "BUT MUH SHIP LESBIAN SHITPLOT!"
>>49558781>Okay. So?See, no matter what the true fans told you, shit people like you will always lick hack shit feet, and posting to infinitum crap pics as an "answer"...
>>49558751>trying to defend the indefensible...I think you're the one doing exactly that, actually. If you stopped being gay and biased, you could actually look at literally all of the recent Higurashi content and realize they are clearly indicating SatoRika. Not even just the anime, even things such as the dead mobile game and the official manga Meguri, even the drama written by Ryukishi07.
There's nothing to even defend in the case of SatoRika, it's literally been made canon on all fronts except Reiwa which is something that Ryukishi07 has been trying to distance himself with.
>shit people like you will always lick hack shit feetI don't even really like Ryukishi07, I just bring up what he said as he's literally the creator of Higurashi, so he's the only one that determines if something is 'canon' or not. He has stated that the anime is an official continuation, which makes SatoRika nothing but canon as a result. Whether you don't like him doesn't really matter, that's your subjective opinion going against objective facts and the story's canon. Utter Loss
are you faggots still on about this? jesus christ what is this, twitter?
>>49558810>Utter LossIndeed, having this francise we move by simpletons with bad taste like you is a utter loss
>>49558810>I just bring up what he said as he's literally the creator of HigurashiThe sooner you all 50 years old masturbatory meatbags understand that the problem is that the hack still has the rights of When They Cry, the better.
>>49558781>doesn't matter how much you cry and seethe about it.But enought about the average feelings of a average fatso internet user who defends shite like me...
>>49558982Genuinely pathetic, crazy how you think a romantic relationship between 2 females is "ruining the series". I don't care if you think WTC is in a bad place right now, I don't care if you think Ryukishi07 has gotten worse, all I am saying is that SatoRika has been confirmed to be canon and intended time and time again. Which is literally so obvious, yet there's somehow autists in here that still try to somehow disprove it, ignoring EVERYTHING pointing towards it in favor of their out of context points (which there are like 1 for every 10 pointing towards SatoRika). That's what I've been trying to say, it's not that hard to understand at all. You aren't an actual real fan if you only pick out the parts you like and ignore the actual canon just because you don't like it.
>>49559035>Muh Satorika fanfiction us mach behfter that you quality plot, becuss I am a horny looser who thionks that writting a wall (of piss) with nonsense gagrbege is guud idea!11!
>>49559035Really shows that this person is a shit fan of Hackysi when it does the same think about the "but see, if I write way more that you, I automatically better that you!"
>>49559071I apologize, I forgot you are autistic and you can't read past 5 words:
SatoRika is canon and confirmed, cope.
>>49559081>I forgot you are autistichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfaow5PEZ90
>>49559081Once again, the shit-user who fault someone to cry, truly cries.
Never change, shits of man, never change...
>>49559035satorika itself wouldn't ruin the series, but the material that pushes it so hard was terrible and came out long after the original story was over. maybe it'd be different if they didn't have a completely different dynamic in the original.
>>49559081Cope yourself when the shitty overprice Silent Hill f comes out, the normies "will like it" about 1-2 weeks, and then forget it quickly that the remake of Silent Hill 2.
>>49559100The original series has plenty of moments that could be classified as satorika (although obviously not as extreme as the anime, but that's a given), it was still shown there. Don't act like it's something they just added out of nowhere in the sequels.
>>49559213You could definitely say there was an obsession going from Rika to Satoko, it being romantic was more of a stretch but there's an argument there at least.
The other way around really wasn't present at all, and that's what Gou pushed. Not to say Satoko's dependency issues worsening into an obsession are out of nowhere, but I never felt any romantic feelings going from Satoko to Rika originally. Not even saying those couldn't develop over time, but the one story we got exploring that was trash.
>>49559213>Don't act like it's something they just added out of nowhere in the sequels.The problem is not that "they added out of nowhere"; the real problem is that they put in badly, by destroy not only the plot of that anime, but the whole series.
>>49559301Doesn't matter how it was handled, all that matters is that SatoRika is canon. Which it is
>>49559306A story not being shit is kinda important
>>49559306>Average rape victim and mentally ill person "convince you" to infinitum its shitty fanfiction
At the end of the day, no matter how hard you cope, seethe, or bring up Gou. This will always be Canon, this scene here will always be Satoko's canonical love confession to the boy she loves
>>49559458refer to
>>49541336>she's in a state of extreme abuse and thinks her surrogate brother and protector is about to murder her, and you think this is the perfect time for a romantic confession??? her crying "i loved you" is her having a breakdown because her 'hero' has literally gone insane. it's not "i'm secretly in love with you" it's "i loved you LIKE FAMILY and trusted you and now this is happening??". you have to be so delusional and jump through so many hoops to see it as romantic.1 out of context scene that isn't even actual romantic love against the entirety of Gou and Sotsu which has been stated by Ryukishi to be the official continuation to the original series, which is also canon (also counting Meguri but that would be overkill).
>>49559480>>she's in a state of extreme abuse and thinks her surrogate brother and protector is about to murder her, and you think this is the perfect time for a romantic confession??? her crying "i loved you" is her having a breakdown because her 'hero' has literally gone insane. it's not "i'm secretly in love with you" it's "i loved you LIKE FAMILY and trusted you and now this is happening??". you have to be so delusional and jump through so many hoops to see it as romantic.Except if you had bothered to read the chapter you'd know Satoko tells Keiichi that she knows he could've never replaced Satoshi or have really been her Nii-Nii but that she still loved him. And in context it wasn't portrayed as a super romantic thing, it was one more tragedy added ontop of this scene, that Satoko had really loved Keiichi but it was all far too late for things to go back to how they used to be and that Keiichi was going to murder her.
It was her love for Keiichi that pushes her to finally break and believe that Keiichi is already dead and that it is a demon who has taken the form of the one she loves most to kill her. Imagine that, she loved Keiichi so much that in the end she refused that he would actually harm her and demanded him back as her final words to the demon.
Face it, Satoko loves Keiichi and Keiichi loves Satoko something that is canon in the VN the story written by Ryukishi not something he gave to other writers to write like in Gou. Outside of stories written by other men you have nothing that shows a hint of Satoko holding any romantic feelings towards Rika.You lost and True love won
>>49559540Literally only in this chapter is this "love confession" you talk about. And it was while Keiichi was going insane and she was about to die. If you take it in context, you realize how interpreting this as romantic just shows you're a weirdo... again, refer to
>>49541336I love how you act like Gou and Sotsu were completely done by other people, when in reality Ryukishi was working very close with them. He gave them a detailed script and all. And again, he called it an official continuation. Gou and Sotsu could be argue to be just as canon as the original VN due to his involvement and him DIRECTLY SAYING that it's a continuation. You CANNOT use this as an argument. They aren't some fanmade thing AT ALL and instead the opposite. They are something Ryukishi07 not only endorsed but also called an official continuation of his work.
>>49559597>Literally only in this chapter is this "love confession" you talk about.Because it was the only chapter where Keiichi and Satoko were able to spend some one on one time together. In just the matter of two nights Satoko was able to fall in love with Keiichi and vice versa for Keiichi. Keiichi had been there for less than a month at that point so not only are the odds of them hanging out one on one extremely high in every world but when they do it's almost all but guaranteed they'll fall for each other.
>And it was while Keiichi was going insane and she was about to die. If you take it in context, you realize how interpreting this as romantic just shows you're a weirdo...Maybe if you're understanding of Romance only comes from childrens media and badly written wattpad fan fictions. The love between Satoko and Keiichi is a parrelle to the running theme of being honest with the people you care about in the story. Satoko and Keiichi both kept their feelings for each other hidden under layers and excuses, too afraid of hurting the other if they had been honest. This also plays with the reason why Satoko refuses to admit why she won't contact CPS and ask Keiichi for help. It is only at the end of the story where both their worlds have come crashing down and they're fully vulnerable (Satoko nude sprite playing into this theme of exposure and vulnerability) that they finally begin admitting to their secrets.
>I love how you act like Gou and Sotsu were completely done by other people, when in reality Ryukishi was working very close with them. You are just straight up wrong, Ryukishi himself has gone on record multiple times admitting to being surprised and shocked with scenes in the anime. Gou is even less on par with Reiwa since all Ryukishi did was hand off a loosely written script to Passione to make into a anime meanwhile he was very hands on with Reiwa writing the full script and then super visioning it as it released. How does it make you feel knowing that Gou is literally less canon than Reiwa following your logic lmao
>>49559686I would love to see these "multiple times where Ryukishi admitted to being surprised and shocked with scenes in the anime", because if you look at the interview at
>>49557815 you can clearly see it wasn't a "hands off loosely written script": Also, Reiwa is even LESS canon as Ryukishi07 is only credited for "original work" there and the concept came from Square Enix editors, it's indisputable that Ryukishi07 has been trying to distance himself from Reiwa.
Also, the Higurashi Sotsu reading drama ENTIRELY written by Ryukishi07 where Satoko said "she already has Rika eternally" (in terms of love)
>>49552787An author being "surprised" by the final visual direction of an anime adaptation is completely normal. It doesn't mean he disowned the plot. He provided the original story, plot, and concept for Gou/Sotsu. It is his story.
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>>49559831>I would love to see these "multiple times where Ryukishi admitted to being surprised and shocked with scenes in the anime">An author being "surprised" by the final visual direction of an anime adaptation is completely normal.Lmao Ryukishi being shocked they locked Satoko in a prison at St.lucia something he never added in his script and something you clearly already know about just shows that you already know and looking to drag out this argument anyway you can so you can tell yourself you "won".
Also laughing at how you're completely silent about Satokei in the VN because you know you're completely and utterly wrong,
>if you look at the interview at >>49557815 you can clearly see it wasn't a "hands off loosely written script"Nothing in that post says that Ryukishi did anything else besides write a plot that has more Satoko in it, aka a loosely written script.
> Reiwa is even LESS canon as Ryukishi07 is only credited for "original work" there and the concept came from Square Enix editors, it's indisputable that Ryukishi07 has been trying to distance himself from Reiwa.The "concept" in question was square enix asking if he could write a sequel about Keiichi and the club members kids, him deciding to have Rena a divorced single mom and Mion married to some Yakuza gangster was 100% his idea something he's admitted in interviews stating how he felt it would feel odd if he had all the girls married to Keiichi. What's even worse is that he absolutely wrote the script for the story meaning not only did he write the plot with even more depth than Gou, he also made sure the Mangakas stuck to his script while allowing them some leeway with elements outside of the main story like Natsumi Kei adding other WTC characters in the background as Easter eggs. So Ryukishi wrote a story where Satoko was canonically a mother to two children from Keiichi, while Rika was a single roastie who traveled around the world alone for most of her life.
As for Ryukishi distancing himself from it, it's simply because Reiwa just isn't profitable. No ship outright won and he ruined his own ending by ending it with nothing but gags. At least with Gou it had a new animation (That the pachinko companies reached out to Ryukishi and asked him to write a new script for a new anime that they will provide funding for, utterly blowing any idea that Ryukishi made Gou for any genuine reason out of the water) and had a ton of yuribait and marketed as beginner friendly bringing in as many people as possible.
>It doesn't mean he disowned the plot. He provided the original story, plot, and concept for Gou/Sotsu. It is his story.Same way Reiwa and Kokoroiyashi-hen are his stories, where Satorika is nowhere to be seen
>>49559918>Also laughing at how you're completely silent about Satokei in the VN because you know you're completely and utterly wrongNo I simply don't bother because you are so biased you refuse to see it as what it really is: a broken, abused girl having a complete mental breakdown after seeing her only "hero" figure go insane. Again, if you read the context and see this as romantic, you are a weirdo.
>Ryukishi being shocked they locked Satoko in a prison at St.luciaWhen? Still waiting.
>was 100% his idea something he's admitted in interviews stating how he felt it would feel odd if he had all the girls married to Keiichi. >he absolutely wrote the script for the story meaning not only did he write the plot with even more depth than Gou, he also made sure the Mangakas stuck to his script while allowing them some leeway with elements outside of the main story like Natsumi Kei adding other WTC characters in the background as Easter eggs.>So Ryukishi wrote a story where Satoko was canonically a motherAgain, WHEN? Do you have literally anything to back this up with, or are you just making shit up again? I'd love to see any source at all for whatever you're saying. Because literally anyone else will tell you that Ryukishi07 is just credited with "Original Work"
>>49559987>a broken, abused girl having a complete mental breakdown after seeing her only "hero" figure go insane. Again, if you read the context and see this as romantic, you are a weirdo.You say this and yet you think ripping out the guts of someone is seen as romantic, lmao kill yourself. it shouldn't take me hand holding you to tell you that you can tell someone you romantically loved them and have the context you tell them not be seen in a romantic way. Are you seriously so oxygen deprived that you think unless they were playing romantic music and Satoko was all smiles it doesn't count as a romantic confession? Tatarigoroshi is a tragedy, Satoko telling the last person she trusted that she loved them minutes before she believes she's about to be murdered by said person doesn't take away it was a love confession through and through you freak.
>When? Still waiting.https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Higurashi_Gou_SP_Live_Talk
>Again, WHEN? https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Oniokoshi-hen_Volume_2
He talks about it in great detail in the afterwords of each volume he writes you fucking mouth breathing retard. Unlike you I actually read this garbage instead of getting all my information off twitter, stay the fuck mad over the fact that Satoko canonically loves Keiichi in the VN something you will never have yuritroon
>>49559458>I l-loved you!Yep. It's true love.
>>49559918>What's even worse is that he absolutely wrote the script for the story meaning not only did he write the plot with even more depth than Gou, he also made sure the Mangakas stuck to his script while allowing them some leeway with elements outside of the main storyNah, it was never stated that he wrote the script. Some people just took the vague "original author" credits and ran with it before we got more detail. Note it's not just the Umineko cameos, for example, according to the last volume, Natsumi Kei came up with everything about Kisaku, from design to name.
And really, you can see how he isn't writing the script direclty by the mess that is the connection between Hoshiwatashi and Irotoutoshi, since Hoshiwatashi had a different artist. Rika's freaking assassination in Hoshi isn't dealt with directly in Irotoutoshi and its timming makes no sense with the way Irotoutoshi has the events flowing.
>Mion married to some Yakuza gangster You mean Mion married " ". No such character like "Mion's husband" or "Tamaki's father" is ever mentioned. And in the one interview where R07 was asked about him and came up with it the idea he mentioned in the interview doesn't fit Reiwa's story at all (A new club member who became everyone's favorite target... while actual Reiwa has the club remain untouched from 1983).
>>49560924>You say this and yet you think ripping out the guts of someone is seen as romanticFucking exactly.
But the guy you're arguing with doesn't care about meaning or quality of writing or anything like that.
All he cares about is trying to prove that nebulous thing we call "canon". A catch all for author intent in this case. (he abandoned trying to prove it was popular).
