Thread 50234804

How unhinged would a particular 2hu become if they wound up falling for someone? How far would they go to secure the object of their affection? In other words, how high is their Yan Potential™?

Behold, this highly researched, scientifically proven (completely subjective, almost entirely based on vibes) tier list!

(I'm gonna be real I threw this together in like 20 minutes so some of these placements don't really have much thought put into them, I mostly just wanted an excuse to start a yanhu thread because I miss those.)

>>50234804 (OP)
I think my wife Shizuha should be in the abandon all hope tier

>>50234804 (OP)
Sagume needs to be in the danger zone, maybe even "oh god no" purely because she's definitely going to try to abuse her ability which in turn will either GUARANTEE that you fall for her in return (even if, initially, you did not want to) or it'll somehow backfire and end up in you getting run over by a car the next day or something like that.

>>50234942
why?

>>50234995
Think about it. She works hard and never gets the recognition she deserves and not only that, she's overshadowed by her own sister. I imagine over time that must have effected her mentality. Then, one day, a nice man comes and shows her the affection and appreciation she so desires. Like hell she'll ever let that go

>>50235050
damn, true actually, didn't think about the codependent obsession as a result of never before feeling appreciated or desired. i guess this would happen to other forgotten 2hus.

>>50234804 (OP)
Can you talk about mommy Eirin being yandere?

>>50234976
You know it's over when she comes up to you and says you'll hate me forever and ever

>>50234804 (OP)
>iku
>well-adjusted

>>50235222
Well, given how profoundly inhuman she is, her concept of love and how she might express it is probably quite far removed from ours, and given the way she cares for Kaguya, having no qualms about resorting to murder to protect her...yeah. she'd probably be even worse with the person she's fallen for.

>>50234804 (OP)
>Ran
>Relatively sane
Your chances of getting foxed are low
But never zero

>>50235241
well, I'd say she's more on the "chill" end of the spectrum. Unless you wanna talk about fanon girlfailure Iku, in which case yeah, fair.

>>50235260
Would Eirin force you to take the Hourai Elixir?

>>50235277
Oh, absolutely. Someone like Kaguya might try to convince you to take it willingly, but Eirin would never even give you a choice.

>>50234804 (OP)
I think Youmu would be too dumb to be scary. You could tell her you'd love her more if she left you alone, and it'd probably work

>>50235354
Actually, I think her stupidity combined with her impulsive nature and tendency to resort to violence to solve problems would make her really scary, since she'll refuse to listen to reason and just do as she pleases.

>>50234804 (OP)
Ah but Sakuya chan is so reserved and loyal...surely she wouldn't go off the deep end...

>>50235386
Exactly
People seems to forget Youmu is kinda violent

>>50234804 (OP)
As long as Byakuren teaches me the same dark magic she used to stay sexy forever I'm down for whatever she wants to do.

Eternity in Eirin's Sex Basement!

>>50235222
She murdered Kaguya's step parents for no reason. She's batshit insane even compared to the usual standards of the series

>>50235537
Lesbian yandere.

>>50234804 (OP)
I am afraid of women giving me affection.

>>50235678
I think that's the beauty of a yandere, high tolerance to fucking it up!

>>50234804 (OP)
Why are Alice and Yuuka that high?

>>50235691
Surviving the PC-98 reboot did things to them. They're gonna be a bit messed up.

>>50235712
Ah yes, Alice "Lives in a mansion in the middle of the woods and spends her time talking to her dolls" Margatroid. Alice "Literally only sees one person on a semi-regular basis" Margatroid. Alice "Eirin's number 1 customer" Margatroid. Truly a paragon of mental health.

As for Yuuka, she's either too chill to care or absolutely psychotic, no inbetween.

>>50235678
I am scared of girls.

>>50234804 (OP)
Alright, I'll bite

Why is Chimata in the danger zone. What could that dork goddess POSSIBLY do, buy my human rights from under me?

>>50235804
I don't see why Alice being a bit antisocial makes her worse than the demon that would rape you or the tube fox

You guys ever hear the Sanae yandere song? It's a regular on my gym playlist. https://youtu.be/PXIMhVbIFT4?si=M7l3MU21tDaCdnDJ

>>50235838
>>50235841
The premise of the list isn't how dangerous they would be if they went yandere, but rather how likely they are to engage in that type of behavior, which is why someone like Sagume is low despite being potentially terrifying and someone like Merlin is placed high despite being mostly harmless. Alice's already fragile mental health and obsessive personality/autism would make her especially prone to it, as would Chimata's self-esteem issues and fear of loss (although Chimatan's placement was mostly influenced by fanon.)

>>50234804 (OP)
Why is Patche in somewhat unhinged?

Clownpiece being dumb is great, it would make it easier for a guy to take advantage of her

>>50235868
So what you're saying is that Chimata is no threat and I can continue about my day merrily?

>>50234804 (OP)
Kasen can fit on both ends

I would literally hug flan and just carry her on my back everywhere. She would see the world. I'd be a bigger yandere for her than her for me

>>50235870
she could go in the tier below as well, she's generally calm and rational, but my reasoning was that that very rational, analytic way of seeing things might leave her ill equipped to handle strong emotions and lead to her kinda losing it, not mentioning her prolonged (relative) isolation and general weirdness.

>>50235804
When antisocial people fall in love they do it hard, precisely because they typically don't want anyone in their space.

>>50235939
That's kind of cute

>>50235926
what would evil yandere Kasen look like? hardmode: no arm-chan

>>50235967
She forces you to eat healthy and exercise to take care of yourself

>>50235943
I don't mind that personally I'm not really that social

What is up with hags and yandere tendencies

>>50236019
competing for social dominance is a big thing for hags in Gensokyo, because they don't have anything better to do. they need to secure boyfriends so that the others will stop calling them "millennium maidens". the few bachelors outside the village all get snapped up by younger, prettier youkai ladies, leaving the hags pretty desperate

>>50236052
So they want to steal your virginity to not be seen as 1000 year old virgins. got it

>>50234804 (OP)
I think Akyuu would mostly be normal, the somewhat unhinged i think fits her best under normal circumstances, acting like herself, being a bit lovely, perhaps needy here and there depending on the circumstances, occasionally pushing things a bit too lewd or a bit too strange in her affection ,but mostly to amuse both ourselves. Having said that i do see her being more of a calm 'yandere' if the situation needed it to, but that shouldn't be needed, so more of a mental exercise than anything else.

>>50236530
yeah the idea for putting her there was that her anguish over her impending death might push her into taking drastic action, but she's not really the type of character to go full axe-murderer.

>>50235838
>>50235868
>>50235890
Touhou falling in love with Anon!
Anon grossly underestimating how dangerous she is!
Touhou making Anon all her's whether he likes it or not!

>>50236530
>>50236562
a more unhinged Akyuu could easily spread rumors around the village about you and isolate you

I want to know, how would she behave if she developed romantic feelings for someone that does not feel anything back for her? Not even sexual interest?

I know this sound too specific but it is based on tropes I like.

Like, she falls in love with a human who just visits Gensokyo temporaly or from the outside world.

How would she manage that? She is evil, hates humans and is a serial killer, even arguably a pedo if you take everything seriously.

If the guy was somewhat or completely aware of who she is and what she does what persuasion would she try to do? Imagining she confesses for the first time and maybe later has to convince him in some way that is not sexual. Let's say the guy has normal or higher human morality (to not make it too easy), could she manipulate him?

>>50236630
i am in love with her but i hate her at the same time

If you think about it logically, the worst is Hecatia by far. She is Eiki's boss and can essentially tell her: "reincarnate this retard into this world or you are toast" and Eiki has to obey, whether she wants it or not. If she truly wants you, she WILL have you.

>>50236647
But... Her outfit is so silly...

>>50236649
Yeah, people usually make fun of her t-shirt, but her hat is sillier.

>>50236630
man...I'm pretty conflicted about Yukari, but this pic gets me literally every time. Something about seeing an otherwise smug and composed character like her that pathetic and vulnerable just makes me want to comfort her.

>>50236661
Do you think Yukari ever fell in love with a human and had to deal with lost?

>>50236657
Hecatia can't force me to marry her while her t shirt is so weird, right?

>>50235939
>that very rational, analytic way of seeing things might leave her ill equipped to handle strong emotions and lead to her kinda losing it, not mentioning her prolonged (relative) isolation and general weirdness.
Makes me think of Kawayabug's Patchy.

>>50236670
I don't think she really views "normal" humans as anything more than a resource or a means to an end. I feel like she'd appreciate the value of human life much more if she had ever actually loved one.

>>50236685
she CAN and WILL

>>50236699
I dunno, it's actually really hard to pin where Yukari stands on humans. Obviously she's a youkai, and between humans and youkai she values the lives of youkai more, but otherwise she's rather polite and friendly with humans in a way that's weirdly sincere despite her eccentricities.

>>50236721
fair enough, although most of her interactions with humans are with characters that are pretty far removed from the concept of an "ordinary" human, like Reimu, who has more in common with Youkai than her own kind.

>>50236721
cuz she used to be human

>>50234804 (OP)
Why is Byakuren so high up the yandere list?
The only things I can think of is potential fear of loneliness after being sealed away for so long, or not overcoming her fear of death and having attachment issues, so she'd never let you die even if you wanted.

>>50236849
All of the above. Given how she reacted to her brother's passing, she's absolutely not above resorting to morally dubious means to preserve the things important to her. Plus, if you go by her dream self's dialogue (which I know isn't 100% reflective of the actual character) she seems to have pretty extreme attachment issues.

>>50235967
She'd forve you to live in her hermit world exclusively and constantly put you through the kind of training she put reimu through (for your own good of course)

>>50236937
is she the kind of person who prefers to just build her ideal husband? I wonder if she gets bored when she's "fixed" you. "corrected" might be a more apt term.

>>50236942
If Kasen was like she is in WaHH I think she'd be a bit too goofy for a fully yandere version to work. As we're told though, she likes people with rough manners so as long as you're rebellious like a teenager or have some bad language that reminds her of being oni she won't stop with her discipline.
Arm-chan as a yandere is more straightforward, cause she can definitely just eat you and turn you into her favorite skeleton at any time.

>>50236953
I wish arm-chan would vore me.

>>50236953
man, the "just straight up kills you" type of yandere has to be my least favorite. There's nothing dramatic, romantic or interesting about that. Sure, the danger of her killing you is part of the appeal of the archetype, but that being her primary goal just robs it of the majority of it's charm.

>>50234804 (OP)
Are we posting tierlists?

>>50236989
I thought this was one of those race tier lists again and got confused.

>>50234804 (OP)
all youkai are danger, no matter how stable they may seem
the heart wants what the heart wants, and there is no escape if their heart wants (You)

>>50236953
>>50236980
I think arm-chan would probably be secretly a bit needy and clingy after being trapped and betrayed, so her yandere type would be the "aggressively needs you nearby but may accidentally kill you because she's too emotionally immature to handle you carefully and also doesn't see human life as important" type.

>>50235939
>and general weirdness
I really think you guys blow this out of proportion, she's rather well adjusted every time she shows up on the mangos or the games.

>>50237021
>>50236980
I think she'd definitely be very playful in the "playing with food" kind of way because oni like to be assholes in that sense, and she was definitely being a bit of a showoff in the manga
Also very sexually aggressive
And definitely weak to beans considering the hermit's overreaction to them

>>50236699
I personally like to think that she actually has fell in love with humans in the past. Not because of liking romance, but because it would add depth to her character. It would make us see she can love even the people she says to hate.

She already seems to have feel love for Yuyuko and Reimu, both humans, even if now (arguably) "Youkai." And Renko if you accept the Maribel theory. And many people agree she is bisexual (even if its just to ship her with Rinnosuke) so it would be weird that she has not fell in love for a human man or woman.

Besides, in 1200 years everything can happen.

My personal theory is that she fell in love with humans in the past and she loved them so much in secret but something happened, maybe that she got tired of seeing them die and became misanthropic.

And now, this will sound weird. But I think youkai have sex better. They are said to have a lot more stamina and can shapeshift. So maybe, this will sound sad but in the rare case youkai fuck they would do between themselves.

>>50236630

What archetype of seduction is Yukari? I don't know if seduction archetypes are true but what would she do if she was in love?

>>50234804 (OP)
Why is Daiyousei so high?

>>50237216
Only some youkai are shown properly shape shifting, mostly animal youkai like the snake guy or tanuki
Kasen looks the same when her arm was cut off 1000 years ago as she does now for example.

>>50237016
What happens in folkklore when a youkai falls in love with a human?

>>50237450
Usually she gets preggers
Like in the lafcadio hearn yuki-onna story if i recall

>>50235814
Same. Let's make a men's only gang. No girls allowed.

>>50237459
How do these kids fare? Do they have human and youkai appearances or superpowers?

>>50237833
I don't think the story went that far, only that the yukionna basically got mad that he left once so she made sure he'd stick around. Been a while since I read about it.

>>50237921
Do you think if Yukari truly loved a human she would legit want to have kids with him and do not have any prejudice against having interspecies kids?

>>50238399
>>50238409
I think the one thing that would really bother me about this is the thought that I surely couldn't be her first.
I don't even mean that as a purityfag thing, rather it's a question of what I actually mean to her. Does she actually love me, or am I just one of many flings, transient relationships that are just a moment in time next to her lifespan. Would she even care when I died?

>>50238480
That's one of the things I dislike the most about keeping a relationship with a non-human touhou character.

Most of them are misanthropic, easy example is Eirin, Reisen, thr very Yukari you are talking about, Aya, etc. I know this would sound very self-insert like but in my fantasies when I am with a touhou character I imagine myself as someone else. Prettier, powerful, etc. I do it not only because I grow used to it but because I just know is impossible for one of them to love the person I am irl.

One of my favorite quotes is "You weren't with me at my lowest, you won't be at my highest." If, hipothetically speaking, someday I became that person I dream about I think I ironically would not want to be romantically involved with any of them. It happened to me when I got with some girls I wanted to be with irl and got disappointed and I have seen that a similar effects happens to other people.

>>50238022
I dont know, the story was about a yuki-onna so if anything Letty would be more relevant

>>50238689
Letty Whiterock is such a meme around here huh

Obsession is proof of true love. When separation becomes more painful than wounds, when enduring withdrawal from this addiction is no longer feasible, how can you possibly consider it all to be anything other than love?

>>50237317
that one is mostly a joke based on the fanon idea of her being cirno's clingy stalker, realistically she'd go at the bottom with the other fairies.

>>50240052
Canonically lesbian stalker.

>>50240061
Daiyousei literally does not have a canon outside of:
-She showed up to attack the protag in EoSD
-She showed up to attack Cirno twice in Yousei Daisensou, once teaming up with Lily White
Notice how she doesn't even have a canonical name.

>>50240073
don't bother trying to reason with the yurifag, just ignore him like everyone else does.

>>50240052
Why is she wearing a scarf? She's an ice fairy for crying out loud. What a stupid, dumb, imbecilic, primitive creature.

>>50238524
>Most of them are misanthropic
Hot damn, I'm sold!

>>50240106
Nigga I understand that you dislike. I MYSELF despise them. But I would never be involved with beings who hate humans because I am human. They would just use me and betray me.

Just look at Sergey "Alexei Livee" Taboritsky.

>>50240105
Why would she wear any clothes at all?

>>50240117
Well... fairies in mythology do appear naked.

>>50240073
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Whispered_Oracle_of_Hakurei_Shrine/Daiyousei
Extremely Loud Incorrect Buzzer.

>>50240117
good point, actually. why do any fairies even wear clothes? It's not like being naked would actually bother them. In fact, wouldn't it be more convenient for them not to? Yeah, all fairies should just go nude at all times, really. It's only logical.

>>50240130
>Daiyousei (Name Unknown)
Granted, you could add that she canonically has a power now.

>>50234804 (OP)
You underestimate Yuyuko
She can plot things very well and basically always seem to be just a cute aloof bun
She can kill almost anyone without moving a finger

>>50236989
Is this pubes?

>>50240581
It can be that if you want

>>50240073
secondary

>>50240581

I know this post will sound random to you but I swear I saw your exact post six months ago and it was exactly like this.

>>50240130
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Whispered_Oracle_of_Hakurei_Shrine/Daiyousei
ah yes 20+ years later zun goes write more textslop about his shitty underdevloped nothingburger characters to make it seem like they actually do something

(that was bait btw do you think they will fall for it)

>>50240599
He's noticing, increase the white paste in his skull.

>>50240615
No, man. I swear. I have had so many weird deja vus with /jp/ that don't happen with other events in my life. Only one time I could trace that it was because two threads were similar and the memories conflated but man...

>>50240628
I mean, I've definitely seen threads from the archive randomly get reposted completely unmodified before. I'm not sure who's doing it or why, though.

>>50240658
Holotards trying to chase their threads off the board faster wothout getting banned.

>>50240603
Schizo anon half the things on that page are just jokes about Daiyousei not being a real character, mixed with some fun facts and a peek behind the design process. The whole point of WOoHS is to be an "everyone is here" book so he paid lip service to two fan favorite nothing characters.
That aside he did care enough about Daiyousei to at least throw her into Fairy Wars, which officially made her more of a character than Koakuma.

>>50240676
And he also got infamous yuri manga artist to draw Daiyousei. ZUN is telegraphing sonething.

>>50240676
>>50240613

>>50238857
Real. Obsession is the purest and strongest form of love, even moreso when it's unrequited. Fuck that "if you love someone, you have to let them go" garbage. If you can even consider the possibility of letting them go, then you never really loved them in the first place. If you really love someone, you WILL break their legs and lock them in your basement before the idea of letting them leave even enters your mind.

>>50237833
there are shitloads of ancient stories, and they range widely
sometimes they look like full blooded yooks, other times human
and sometimes its a mix of both, wherein they become fully one or the other when they decide which 'world' they want to stay in
with gensokyo not really being separated anymore, a new half-youkai might be able to stay a half-youkai

you can indeed have a wolfy wifey and give her all the pups she deserves

>>50237833
>>50240820
why is this even a question when rinnosuke exists

>>50240824
I hate idea. But if Rinnosuke and other youkai character (Alice, for example) actually had kids, would they come fully youkai or would be like 25% percent human?

>>50238524
She would take one look at me and know I'm different

>>50240599
Is this pubes?

>>50234804 (OP)
Man this thread rocks

>>50240927
yeah..."different"...I guess that's one way to put it.

>>50240932
hey...it's not -that- bad. certainly not the worst thing on the board right now.

>>50240927
I know this sounds too fan-fic like. But if it arrived to Gensokyo a prophecy that an Outside-World human would become an incredibly powerful or important being and that it had some sort of protection (so the story doesn't end in like three chapters). Would they try to gain his favor or something?

>>50240720
The raw definition of yandere is very flexible, all things considered. I imagine some of them hus would begrudgingly and/or somberly let you be if you were to make it clear their love is, unfortunately (for them), one-sided.
However, some of them might merely end up adjusting their behavior to stalk and observe you from afar, assuming they don't already do so (namely the shrine maidens). 'Keeping an eye out' for you, so to speak; potential youkai attack in the woods? Not anymore. Interested suitors and love interests? No, no. Not on their watch.
The reasoning behind this abnormal behavior could vary from 2hu to 2hu. Perhaps she sees this as her personal responsibility, a testament to how important you are to her, regardless of your now distant relationship. Or maybe, on the inside, she just wants you to eventually realize how good she is to you and come running right back to her arms, where you belong. The way it used to be.
It's selfish, it's rotten, it's depraved—but it's from the heart. In a land where most of the inhabitants are man-eating monsters, these corrosive, addictive feelings might just be motivation enough to make it all worthwhile in the end. For you.

touhou fans like yanderes because they have abandonment issues

>>50241071
I think it's hot that a woman might just kill me.

>>50241071
It's called being Ryan Gosling

>>50241071
Personally, it's more of a self-esteem thing. Someone being so profoundly infatuated with you that they'd hurt themselves, you, or anyone else to be with you would be like the ultimate form of validation. It'd make me feel like I might be worth something, you know? Someone might call that sort of relationship "unhealthy" or "codependent", but what is codependency if not the greatest expression of love? Literally being unable to exist without one another? I can't imagine anything more romantic.

I don't know... won't you get bored eventually? I love you! for the first time, it's not the same compared to I love you for the 25163628th.. There would definitely be a sort of honeymoon period, but after that, it will be very easily for things go south with resentment, envy, and all those other issues from mental instability... Maybe you'll enjoy being locked in someone like Alice's basement for a few months, but unless she turns you into a mindless doll, I'd get bored very quickly, and the love stuff gets repetitive as well. Isn't the majority of Yandere relationships going to end badly anyway?But I can understand why it would be desirable for some people...

>>50241181
oh absolutely. I'm sure the majority of people who romanticize that type of relationship (including myself) would absolutely despise it if it actually happened to them. You would have to be just as profoundly deranged as your partner to be able to handle it for any real length of time. At the end of the day, it's a nice fantasy, and not much else.

>>50241140
I will get hated for this but I have a theory about why yanderes and dominant girls like Makima became popular recently.

It is because of men with low self esteem. Normal men rarely want to be dominated sexually by women (IT DOES happen) but way rarely than it does today. And all those people who unironically say that they eant to be used or killed by their crush just don't value themselves. Having a dominant girl gives them purpose somehow.

>>50241229
funnily enough, despite my love for yanderes, I actually really hate femdom of any kind, which I know I sorta contradictory, but in my mind, the ideal yandere is more of a "power bottom", so to speak, assertive, but not dominant.

>>50241229
Can't judge really. I know what it's like. Your theory is probably right to some degree.

>>50241247
>despite my love for yanderes, I actually really hate femdom of any kind
Yeah, me too. I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate it but it's never really been a thing of mine. For me the appeal of a yandere is having someone who can love me as much as my gaping narcissistic heart requires, and being able to repay that affection in kind to create a perfect circuit of mutual obsession, which I have learned the hard way over the years is something that a mentally well woman just can't do.

>>50241181
>>50241209
I crave both love AND stability. I would have no problem adjusting to the life of an unhinged Touhou's boyfriend husband pet captive. As long as she made me felt loved Id be happy to spend eternity with her.

>>50241348
>I crave both love AND stability.
Oh, trust me, I get it. I literally have el autismo, so the desire for a rigid, unchanging life is something I absolutely understand, but I think even someone as averse to change as I am would eventually become frustrated with that lifestyle.

>>50237080
Charming the arm as the owner of a bean plantation!

>>50236989
Sounds like fun.
Quick explanation of the tiers

Receptivity to Human Romance:
6. Highly receptive to and social with humans.
5. Regularly friendly with humans.
4. Cordial with humans but does not regularly interact with them.
3. Neutral or indeterminate feelings towards humans.
2. Aggressive, dismissive, or otherwise unlikely to seek human companionship for personal reasons (not social, too immature).
1. Actively hostile to humans.

Human Safety and Practicality:
6. Incredibly safe, if not capable of outright increasing partner's quality of life.
5. Human safe and can provide some level of financial or political safety.
4. Safe, but comes with some conflict of interests that may inhibit relationship.
3. Mild danger, actions or lifestyle prone to endangering self or others.
2. High risk, place of dwelling or lifestyle presents massive risk of injury or death. Also the hobo zone.
1. Actively harmful, even proximity to this hu may be detrimental to one's health.

r8 and h8

>>50241377
so what you're saying is that Keine, Kogasa and Aunn are your best options? I mean, I could've told you that.

>>50241377
I WILL put my penis in Yuuma and you can't stop me.

>>50241377
I think Kasen is rated too low in these, her oni variants are also never included...

>>50241405
Based goat fucker.

>>50241377
Yamame is rated far too low
She's canonically shown as easy going and personable
there is no reason she would be lower than the likes of Yuuka

>>50241405
My brother in send me to hell(adjacent) I'm taking the risks.

>>50241377
You are being a bit too harsh towards Remi on the safety list, Sakuya's existence alone should at least put her in 3, there's also the random guy she allowed to stay in the mansion for a night in an omake.

>>50241377
Suika doesn't deserve to be that low on the safety list, she does show she can be responsible when needed like in Lotus Eaters where she saves the village from Reimu's retarded bean porridge.

>>50242194
>the butcher saves her meat supply
Real benevolent.

>>50242194
She burned literally all her good will with the Mizuchi thing.

>>50234804 (OP)
>Parsley
I suppose I'm a masochist, I like my women toxic

>>50242095
Left side or right side? Right side that's fair, left side is a much tougher call. She's a self described predator, she's incredibly haughty and immature, it's hard to imagine her seeing a human in a romantic light. Plus, while PMiSS isn't a be all end all indicator, her low rating there doesn't help her case. You're playing the odds with her fickle nature, and hoping your novelty outweighs her more sadistic impulses.

>>50242224
Its amazing how Suika's reputation got nuked by Mizuchi

my reasoning for putting those particular characters in the top tier is that they're either:

classic, archetypical yanderes: dai, alice, byakuren, hisami

naturally unhinged and would just get worse : flan, koishi, junko

completely inhuman, eldritch, unknowable: yukari, eirin

fundementally incompatible with the idea of love/incapable of handling it: medi, parsley, seija, kokoro

wildcard: yuuka

Seiga: Seiga

>>50242738
I would trust Seiga

>>50242738
Something I always think about Eirin is that she is not only literally Alien but she also would be extremely dangerous when planning.

If she for real has been alive for millions of years, she must have a lot of experience on everything. In the lunar Capital there must have been books about human psychology.

If Eirin wanted to conquer you she would pulla a 4D chess type shit.

>>50242852
she probably predicted your birth back when the dinosaurs were still around and manipulated historical events to make sure it'd happen, then orchestrated your entire life Aizen-style to ensure you'd eventually end up with her.

>>50242738
Parsee and Kokoro could absolutely love and be loved. Parsee would be no different than any other woman with mental illness.

>>50242875

How would she try to conquer you? And how would it be like to be in a relationship with her? Would she be loving for once? Would she be good at sex?

>>50242884
I don't think Parsee could ever really be happy in a relationship. It's not like she can just decide to stop being jealous or anything, and the constant anxiety, anger and sadness would eventually boil over. Sure, she can function well enough normally, but being with someone would amplify her jealousy a hundredfold, if not more, especially if her backstory aligns with the hashihime myth.

Kokoro just wouldn't be able to handle it imo. She's already barely keeping a lid on her emotions as is, and if losing a mask was enough to make her zombify the entire village, I have no idea what she might do if she found somethhing even more important to her.

>>50242951
Damn, I think Parsee might literally be me,

>>50242951
I'm sure if you were loyal and lovey-dovey with Parsee she'd be able to contain her jealous a bit!

>>50243243
Honestly, I think the kinder you are to her, the more you shower her with love and affection, the greater her despair will be. Her paranoia and delusion will only grow stronger the more she comes to care about you. And obviously, neglecting her will have the same effect, so, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

>>50234804 (OP)
This is the most secondary-tier list I've ever seen

>>50241377
Why the fuck is Seiga so high on the right?

>>50243271
Clearly you must leave zero room for doubt.
Granted you might accidentally remove her purpose as a youkai and kill her by doing that...

>>50244082
My logic last night was that she's an uninhibited party that lives in fairly safe solitude (plus you might be able to pick up the hermit arts from her), but the whole oni hunting her thing does knock her down a peg. I'm not completely confident in her placement, but I didn't just want to dismiss the perks either. Seiga is a rat bastard but if she actually loved you she'd probably be able to keep you fairly safe.

>>50243271
>>50244131
But I don't want to hurt Parsee... is leaving her alone really the only solution that will make her happy in the long run? I hope she forgives me...

>>50244304
That death thing was only speculation, it's doubtful that she'd suddenly stop being jealous just because she had a loving partner. If anything she'd just redirect her jealousy towards other things, so maybe if you become a horrible jealous gremlin along with her the both of you can live as a happy lovey dovey duo that also happens to bond over your endless spite directed at everyone else.
In fact, that sounds like a path to becoming a youkai yourself (there's precedence, Ichirin became a youkai because Unzan wouldn't leave her alone), so you don't even need to inflict the horrible pain your death would cause on Parsee.

>>50244343
Thats fine by me! I'll make Parsee happy and we'll be a horribly envious couple together! And when the underground or Reimu stop us, we'll laugh together and do it again, eventually!

Parsee has one of the most extense fandoms in Touhou, damn.

>>50244401
I'm not a Parseefag myself, I just like helping anons come up with ways to be happy with their favorite hu regardless of how implausible the two of them even meeting and falling in love would be.
Is a Parsee relationship realistic? Hell no.
Should that stop anon from imagining what a loving relationship with her would be like? Hell no.

>>50244428
Then help me fall in love with Reisen.

>>50244428
Then thank you for your help anon!

>>50244471
That's not even a challenge. She comes around the human village regularly, so you'd get plenty of opportunities to interact with her. She's somewhat arrogant, but if you took a genuine interest in her work I'm sure you could break through that. She seems pretty lonely at Eientei in general, she doesn't really have a peer that she can just talk to casually, so I'm sure she'd be open to a relationship. If you really want a leg up, learn a few things about medicine so you can impress her with your outsider knowledge.

>>50244502
>somewhat arrogant
Drop the somewhat, she's a jerk.

>>50244504
Can you post something where she for real is a jerk?

>>50244508
She gleefully tormented Marisa when she was tied up in CDS and her dialogue strongly suggests she likes venting her troubles on other people.

>>50244504
>>50244514
Regardless, she's not unfeeling and would appreciate having someone she could vent to in a healthier manner than indulging in more sadistic methods.

>>50244514

No way. Nigga what the hell is wrong with her? In fact whats with all of these characters? EVERY SINGLE TIME I LEARN ABOUT TOUHOU CANON THEY ARE ALL EXTREMELY DISGUSTING PEOPLEEEE

>>50244539
Stop posting like a redditor, and there are plenty of 2hus that are fine people. Hell, even Reisen is fine if you get past her being a bundled up ball of pent up frustration and anxiety born from her past as a slave, PTSD, guilt, and regular bullying. You want the worst thing Reisen has done? It was abandoning her entire platoon to die while she fled to Earth. Many of her vices and character flaws probably stem from that impactful decision, and it's something that seems to weigh on her. If you can forgive Reisen the traitor, you can probably forgive Reisen the girl who vents her frustrations by being a jerk when she's given power over others.
It's funny that I'm defending Reisen when she's my least favorite of the regular protagonists.

>>50234804 (OP)
Why is Suwako dangerous?
> I mostly just wanted an excuse to start a yanhu thread because I miss those.
It's a creative way to start one

>>50244539
Because they're all jerks.

>>50244514
>>50244539
>>50244572
Also tormented is a strong word. As much as I personally like to meme on and complain about Marisa getting captured and tied up multiple times, she's never really treated poorly by her captors at any point in CDS. Hell, they even feed her, and it's a really nice meal as well.

>>50244572
I agree with that point. I think Reisen has a background, at least.

But please, don't call me a redditor. Every time someone here in /jp/ points out how bad the characters are in canon or says something bad about Gensokyo the unique argument the users throw is that he is a moralist or a redditor. This happens to the point where sometimes is hard to discuss canon.

>>50244610
>EVERY SINGLE TIME I LEARN ABOUT TOUHOU CANON THEY ARE ALL EXTREMELY DISGUSTING PEOPLEEEE
Is what I was referring to when I called that post "reddit", not the opinion. It's moralist, but that specific brand of moralist that's obtuse and condescending in a way you typically see on sites like Reddit or Tumblr.

>>50244635
Yeah, man. Forgive me for that. I really don't like screaming or using bad grammar. I am feeling weird right now, I think is because I slept badly.

>>50243516
care to elaborate, primary-san?

>>50244579
that was predicated on her association with curse gods as well as the idea that she might still hold a grudge towards Kanako, but I admit it's a pretty flimsy reasoning.

>>50244579
She can curse the shit out of you and permanently ruin your life.

>>50244874
Most hus could pretty easily ruin your life, even if only via ripping your limbs off like they were made of playdoh.

>>50244920
Most 2hus already have ruined people's lives. The lunarians, the sages, kase,, hecatia, junko, the fairies, kanako/suwako, seiga and seija.

>>50244951
Who cares.

>>50244963
I don't want to turn this into another grimsokyo debate thread and I understand moralfaggotry can be obnoxious, but the 2hus almost exclusively being awful people is just a self-evident truth. We're human beings with a human-centric perspective, so it's pretty normal to find their complete disregard for human life somewhat appalling, unless you're an actual misanthrope, or you're using the "It's fiction so who cares" excuse, which to me just feels like you're refusing to really engage with the work.

Grimsokyo is wrong because it's mostly jerksokyo. 2hus aren't likely to mutilate and kill you for fun when they could just fuck with you in annoying ways for their own amusement, but with youkai powerlevels.

Grimsexokyo is better. All the 2hus and youkai are out to rape you and thrive on lust instead of fear

>>50244963
Me. I'm the Anon who cares about things. Not to be confused with the Anon you were talking to.

>>50244951
I like to imagine Suwako's curse as the magical equivalent of AIDS not necessarily worse than being a nugget just a different kind of hell.

>>50245015
I feel like most of the touhou fandom does not understand what they actually like or what they engaged with.

Most Touhou fans fell in love with their characters before engaging fully with the canon. So when they learn that they are bad they develop this defense mechanism that is that is just fiction, but they don't realize that that behavior believe me or not conditiones them for also disregarding that in real life.

The people you fall in love with, fictional or real, always mean something about your psyche. I am not saying a guy who falls for Seiga is an outiright mass murderer or some crap. But that is my point.

As it was said before in this thread, only men who do not value themselves fall for evil characters, or not evil characters, people who would treat them badly. You heard everywhere in the Touhou websites that they want a youkai to eat them or abuse them. And the last point on this, and the most strong one is that all these people who fell for a 2hu fell for the idea of them being cute and loving, which does not reflect their canon. There is always the faggot who says "But I love Eirin because she is evil!" But probably is as disgusted as everyone else or is immature.

My greatest point of defense, is that no one single Touhou fan loves a touhou character, they love the idea they made of them in their mind or in a fanwork. They love their design and the first idea. Rarely the actual thing.

Kuso thread.

>>50234804 (OP)
One of my favorites for yandere is Eirin. She literally has that thing ingrained into her. Being willing to murder her own people to keep Kaguya by her side and doing almost everything for her. Imagine if she fell in love hard with someone. It is a topic and plot that I feel sad is not often made content about.

>>50245015
>>50245114
Being a cynical faggot that cries over evil character being evil doesn't make you more of a fan than anyone else, is just makes you an autist that can't separate reality from fiction.
If you need constant reaffirmation of your own moral codes watch media made for young children.

>>50245151
? I'm not "crying" about anything, though? I just pointed out that it's a pretty normal human response to feel conflicted about the 2hus and their actions. There's a difference between fully engaging with a piece of media and being unable to distinguish fiction from reality, my guy. Also, pretty rich to be calling people cynical while spouting cynical rhetoric, but whatever.

>>50245175
don't feed the attention whoring /v/ermin desperate for replies

>>50245015
>I don't want to turn this into another grimsokyo debate thread
That feels disingenuous when you proceed to do just that, and in a post where you insult people that don't agree with your fairly shallow interpretation of the game's lore.

50245175
They traded a working version of Macross Rtech for the initial D cabinets, and you're sad about a credit card not anything substantive.
>Daxamite
Wanna hear a secret about the up and soon BigO movie?
... For my old friend Schwartzwald especially.

Grimsokyofag has finally cracked.

>>50245207
It wasn't really my intent to insult anyone of start some kind of shitflinging contest, I kinda just wanted to know where he was coming from with that comment, although I realize I could have worded it better. Although I am curious what interpretation could make the 2hus not look terrible. I mean, like I said, I understand that I'm trying to judge the actions of inhuman creatures from a human perspective, but that's the only perspective that really makes sense to me.

>>50245223
>Although I am curious what interpretation could make the 2hus not look terrible
Good writing in the first place. Touhou is written worse than its own fanfics. The characters can be bad, but they have to be at least enjoyable, or have good reasons for it. In Touhou it comes off as cheap and annoying.

NOOOOW. Let's return to the main topic.

I checked the archive and saw this post, I find it cute. We often talk about the 2hus falling for us but never about us conquering them. I find it interesting to return their feelings.

>>50245311
I will rape my favourite Touhou and mindbreak her into loving me.

>>50245319
Me will favorite into Touhou her mindbreak

>>50245311
>We often talk about the 2hus falling for us but never about us conquering them.
Is it sad that I don't think I've ever really considered my favorite 2hu being interested in me, and every scenario I've thought of involves my needing to impress them?
Granted that's probably a lot more realistic than "magical woman thinks random terminally online retard is attractive for some reason".
Also conquer is just a weird word to describe what I think you want to describe.

>>50245311
>Good writing in the first place.
ah, yeah, fair enough, I was really only thinking of how they're presented in canon works.

>We often talk about the 2hus falling for us but never about us conquering them.
because most /jp/sies are passive herbivores who would roll over and die before approaching a woman lol (I'm including myself in this) hence the love for yanderes.

>>50245311
>We often talk about the 2hus falling for us but never about us conquering them.
Because it would realistically not happen? We are human, and they are not.

>>50245343
Anon trying to impress a 2hu into liking him is far more realistic than "2hu is unreasonably horny for anon for some reason" thobeit.

>>50245331
>Is it sad that I don't think I've ever really considered my favorite 2hu being interested in me, and every scenario I've thought of involves my needing to impress them?

I think it might be sadder that I've never even considered that I could woo or impress my 2hu of choice because the very idea just seems so laughable.

>>50245332
I feel so weird that I also identify with this statement. I really don't want to approach a woman with romantic intentions, that's too simpy and I don't feel specially attracted to them. In most roleplays I do with 2hus they are the ones confessing to me because I am more interesting in the roleplay.

>>50245343
Why care about what is realistic when we are talking about a franchise like this? In fact, if we are going for realism then what sense does it make them being the ones to fall for us?

>>50245343
I would do terrible things to become the monster I need to be to become her equal.

>>50245343
>>50245352
Also there are human 2hus, and even human sympathetic youkai hus like Kogasa or Aunn.

>>50245358
I dunno, in Gensokyo you have actual paths to supernatural power, so if you really buckled down and committed it's reasonable to think you could at least start to approach the level where youkai stop seeing you as a child. And given that most men in Gensokyo aren't really interested in youkai while youkai men seem kind of rare, you're not in a terrible position. Obviously death is likely in Gensokyo but only a fool plans to die.

>>50245142
I still remember the dark horse Eirin cope from the Kirisame Magic Shop threads.

>>50245352
Exactly my thoughts.

>>50245358
I am going to be honest. That is a sentiment everyone shares here. We are the lowest of society, not even the average.

But in our defense there are two facts that people disregard a lot. These are non-human women with superpowers that often hate or do not care about romance or humans. Not even a six pack milloinaire from our world could conquer a woman like Eirin.

>>50245376
It's less of a power thing and more of a being an unlovable piece of shit thing in my case, but yeah, fair enough.

>>50245405
>and more of a being an unlovable piece of shit thing in my case
Hey, don't be so down on yourself. Even if that's true, I could say the same of INSERT YOUR FAVORITE 2HU HERE so you'd be a perfect match.

Wah wah wah too many words! I want to talk about HOT yanderes! Particularly Eirin!!

>>50245412
yeah, but they're cute girls, so it's fine

>>50245420
Go on then, talk about her.

>>50245420
I'd say Eirin is more of a cold yandere, actually.

>>50245423
This is why sometimes being asexual/aromantic id a superpower. It has happened thousands of times in history where a man commits a bad shit stupid error because of a woman and then another Chinese Dynasty goes down in history just to have another happening the exact same thing.

>>50245441
I see it

>>50245446
Not having the drive to pass on your genes is in fact a disability, and one could easily argue that the entire meaning of life is to pass on your genes.
Not that anyone here has managed even that much, mind you.

>>50245311
I recognized that alice poster, i made a post too a bit below that one.

>>50245446
I mean, there's a reason eunuchs were known as political masterminds. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you're not constantly horny or doing dumb shit for female attention.

There's literally nothing convincing me that Medicine would actually be a bad date, really.
Out of all the "small" characters she seems like the most mature and intelligent one too.
>Poison
We can work around that for sure

>>50245494
I mean, moreso than the poison I'd say the biggest issue would be the fact that she literally came into existence due to feelings of resentment for her abandonment and channeled that into hatred for humanity. I know she's getting better, but that's not really something you can just get over. Plus, she has all the emotional maturity of a trout. She's literally a newborn.

>>50245463
Bro, there are things like having erectyle dysfunction or Impotency.

A good chunk of asexual aromantic people can have sex if they want to "reward" someone that cares for them. In fact, there are sex favorable asexuals who can fuck more often. Asexuality can be defined as the lack of sexual attraction or sex drive, not always the unwillingness to have sex.

Sorry Medicine I'm only attracted to big busty girls
It can't be helped

>>50245529
oh yeah? how about THIS

>>50245556
Paizuri

>>50245475
It's crazy to think of what I would have been able to accomplish with my general disinterest in relationships if I wasn't crippled by untreated ADHD. The potential alone is staggering and I already feel like I won. I am so proud of myself.

>>50245515
>Bro, there are things like having erectyle dysfunction or Impotency.
Yes, and?

>>50245494
She smells.

>>50245578
>It's crazy to think of what I would have been able to accomplish with my general disinterest in relationships if I wasn't crippled by untreated ADHD

I feel sad instead. I don't have ADHD. Only soft asperger, I am actually somewhat intelligent but since I was five years ago I had a porn addiction that ruined all those years.

>>50245619
5 years ago* not since I was 5. That would be creepy.

>>50245607
>Smells
Like flowers

>>50245578
>>50245619
oh boo fucking hoo, tough shit, I've got BOTH.

ANYWAY, mental illness isn't an attractive trait in men, but it is in girls! Which is what we should be talking about in the first place! Mentally ill girls! Cute!

>>50245619
I think that was one of the perks of growing up stupid. I never really felt bad about it because I had more than enough time to accept my low IQ as simply being a part of who I am. Can't miss potential I never had, you know? At the same time that's what makes the fantasy of having potential so enticing.

>>50245642
Agreed. Mentally ill men are sad at best and scary at worst, not like a mentally ill woman.

>>50245693
I'm not that scary I only ate one ex.

>>50245625
Sure thing Medicine.

I made my own list for the PC98 girls
Accurate?

>>50245706
Medi smells like Lily-of-the-valley perfume
Yuuka smells like grass (her hair is made of grass)
Simple as

I made a list for the PC98 characters
Accurate?

>>50245781
I don't think Kikuri is harmless
Even her paizuri would just kill your dick because she's made of bronze (or moonstone)

>U-Um...haven't you been going to Reimu-san's place a lot lately...?
>C-Could it be...you've started to...dislike me or something...?

I like traditional yanderes as much as the next guy, but I really love the type that's self-aware enough to restrain themselves and keep it all bottled up inside until they turn into a neurotic mess who might do something drastic to themselves or someone else if they're set off. It's a good way to handle the more benevolent characters like picrel, too.

>>50245828
These should be introduced in games where players try to get away with maxing out everyone's affection levels and discarding them to max out the next batch

>>50245642
>mental illness isn't an attractive trait in men
not if it produces the dark triad behavior

>>50245642
>mental illness isn't an attractive trait in men
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHHA

>>50246395
well, yeah, women definitely love the cool kind of mental illness that turns you into a serial killer or something, but the lame ones like ADHD or depression are decidedly less attractive, is how I should have phrased it.

>>50241377
According to Akyuu entries, half of them would be hostile and do intersections only to trick you

>>50242253
>Left side
>right side
Remi is king

>>50241389
big cat, small dog, old umbrella

amazing perfect romance options, thanks ZUN

>>50246439
Hakutaku are really more of a bovine than a feline.

>>50241377
>eiki is 2/6 and not 1/6
huh

>>50246446
Eiki is actually very polite and is one of the least likely hus to kill you, which automatically puts her above 1/6.

>>50246443
Things it's historically depicted as: Chinese dragon, tiger, lion, cow
Big cat wins. Big cat with big udders wins more

>>50246404
>>50246400
Mental illness in a man is only as attractive as the man himself, barring exceptions like serial killers since women love a man who has the stomach to kill I guess.

>>50246453
meant 1 on the left and 6 on the right
but makes sense, considering that it is reserved not for prudes but for the absolutely unhinged subjects like parsneed

>>50236989
Pointless tier list coming through.

>>50246515
>kaguya will never call you a nigger because you blew up the meth lab
bros

couple of issues:
kanako plays wii fit and wii sports on sanae's wii
eirin would never consume any form of entertainment
minoriko is addicted to farming sims
okuu wouldn't understand how to use a phone
miko plays political sims and grand strategy games
raiko is the taiko no tatsujin world champ
chimatan is literally the RGB gamer goddess, also she plays MMOs like WoW and Runescape specifically just to engage with the in-game economy
momoyo is minecraft steve
renko is canonically a gamer and plays FPSes
how the hell does shion afford games

>>50246515
whoops forgot to reply

>>50246557
>how the hell does shion afford games
To be fair a lot of people spend money on games they don't actually have.

>>50241377
Yeah what >>50242194 said.
Suika should be 5/5 or 5/4

>>50234804 (OP)
Futo is not dumb!

>>50246578
Even ignoring the Mizuchi thing Suika's entire character is being incredibly sketchy.

>>50246584
Yeah at least Kasen literally had the evil squeezed out of her

>>50246591
I'd trust Yuugi over Suika, Yuugi can be reckless and dangerous but at least she's honest. Suika will stab you in the back and then throw your body under a moving bus.

>>50246584
people have really fallen for the "cute drunk japanese goburin" meme and forget what Suika actually acts like.

>>50246584
>incredibly sketchy.
By what possible standards?

>>50246611
I don't think she's entirely on that kind of train but if you're a stranger with a promise to her she can still upturn it. We've no real insight into how much Mizuchi and Suika knew each other. If you are a long-time friend of Suika's though, I think she would stick with you, or at least she was willing to stick with her fellow oni until she she "died" in the myth.

>>50246583
aww, is futo-chan feeling a little cranky? It's past your bedtime, isn't it? want me to tuck you in? maybe read you a story?

>>50246515
Now elaborate on the kinds of games the ones in the last tier would be playing

>>50246515
Ah boomer Sakuya...

>>50246669
That does sound nice...

>>50246584
to add to her list of atrocities, I've recently obtained TRVE and CANON proof of her threatening and violating an innocent human male! when will her evil deeds end...

>>50246690
Flandre: CS:GO exclusively, recent events resulted in her blowing up half the mansion.
Kaguya: 4X, Tabletop Sims, Wargames
Medicine: Dating Sims, ADV, RPGs, Otome
Kisume: H-Games exclusively
Parsee: Competitive shooters, roguelikes, fighting games, dating sims
Seija: MOBA, Team Shooters, Hero Shooters, anything that lets her be toxic to her teammates that's also easy to smurf and ban evade on.
Okina: Programming games, hardcore sims
Tsukasa: Market sims, city builders, clickers, rts
Chiyari: Indie, horror, shitpost, rape sims
Hatate: Light-gun shooters, photo games, VR games
Luna: Arena shooters, loot shooters, stealth
Shion: F2P loot crate shooters with 20+ mobage on a second monitor.
Yuuma: Kaizo, ROM hacks, RPG maker games
Mizuchi: Roguelike, dungeon crawling, Sims but mostly just to torture her sims
Maribel: Lost media, esoteric games with irl stories behind them, anything with occult themes or imagery, Adventure

>>50246690
Yuuma strikes me as the competitive 4x type. Especially as a resource goblin and being a bit trigger happy when declaring war over said resources.

>>50246515
there are countless genres. my straight-laced aunt secretly played pet fish tank simulator. you telling me that many weirdos with weird interests wouldn't find themselves a niche subgenre?

>>50246737
what tool did you use? is that ImageRec translation?

>>50246515
Sakuya would play Prison Architect
Patche would play magic customization games
Akyuu would play Phasmophobia

>>50247154
It's actually a chrome (yes I know) extension just called OCR Translator. It's pretty nifty, it's fast and generally gets better results than most of the other services I've tried, plus it's free, unlike a lot of the others.

>>50246629
Suika ditched the other Oni the moment things went south given that she survived, so you can't even argue she's got that sort of loyalty.