>>63715849

>woody woodpecker edition

Did Finns tend to scrub marks from their captured or purchased Nuggets?

Finally got the 91/38 I mentioned in the last thread from the Gunbroker auction. It was $800 after taxes, shipping, and fees. Wish the stock was a little more orange like I've seen other 91/38s but I love it. 1905 Izhevsk, matching numbers and electropenciled bolt serial.

>>63780678

>>63780369 (OP)
EEEEEAGLE!

>>63780384
>Did Finns tend to scrub marks from their captured or purchased Nuggets?
Not generally, no. The only instances I can think of is m/39s that had the Czar's crest milled out of the receiver ring, leaving a dimple. The other are the re-lined barrels that were scrubbed of all markings and then re-marked with Finnish markings.

1952 Hungarian 91/30, missing the cleaning rod. If anyone out there has Hungarian 02 marked accessories, let me know! Willing to pay good money for them.

>>63780768

Early "trial" Chinese Type 53, about 50,000 or so made between May and December 1953. The first run features a Chinese character
試 after the serial, meaning "test" or "trial". The initial run also featured an A prefix for the serials.

>>63780791

Whats a good percussion cap muzzle loader thats a fun entry level to muzzle loaders? I want to start breaking into that era. Also would be cool to have something that is "the wall hanger" but still functions fine. Im ok with repros.

>>63750983
Gun arrived today and it looks as described. Came with the bayonet and sling
Although right as I got home Legacy Collectibles listed an even better looking and better condition AG-42 for $300 cheaper...

As for the gun itself the front barrel band spring doesn't seem to work and is super loose so I'm probably gonna order a part off of Centaury arms or cannibalize the spring off of my M96 while I wait for the spare to arrive then swap them back. Sadly wasn't able to get the muzzle off so I couldn't put the BFA on but then again I only had a bullet to push the button instead of the intended tool for it.

Only things I'm worried about are the cracks in the wood but I was shooting surplus 8mm out of a German mauser with a crack at the tang and it did just fine so I should be good

I know what I got

>>63780861
Closer up pic

>>63780791
Oh cool. I had to check something after hearing that. I know so little about Chinese firearms. Pre or post revolution

>>63780799
Probably nothing genuine milsurp sir. Sorry. Likely too expensive for a first timer. But Kentucky Rifles were used in the revolution and into the civil war. Those are still great rifles. They make them in cap too but flintlock is so much more fun. AND you aren’t at the mercy of the most instantly unavailable shooting supplies: percussion caps. It has taken me 4-5 years to see them come back on the shelves after the ammopocalypse of 2020.

>>63780866
Man that shit is almost normal where I live.

>>63780861
>>63780867
>legacy
>$1700
Fucking hell. Enjoy it and thanks for updating us. But still got damn.

>>63781113
AG-42's are going for like $1600-$2000 on GB and thats BEFORE shipping fee's and all that other crap so desu I feel like its an alright price

It still wont ever come close to the guy who bought one at Tusla last month for $875
I have to applaud that guy for being smart cause I offered him $1400 for it and he passed lmao

>>63781073
This was going to be my next question. Would a flintlock also be a viable option?
>unavailable shooting supplies: percussion caps
I have seen plenty around here so I am less worried on that end. To that end, how long does the flint last for?

>>63781236
Paid about $1300 for mine

>>63781323
Maybe I'll get lucky and stumble across one that cheap, starting the 14th I got a gun show every week for the next 3 weeks

Any reason M39 prices fluctuate so wildly? I wanna sell mine off and my K31. K31 seems to be somewhat predicatble where M39s are just all over.

>>63781239
>To that end, how long does the flint last for?
Oh I’ve shot mine about 100 rounds and and it’s about time to have to change it for the first time; probably another 20-50 rounds I’ll start to get misfires. You can get unlucky and have the flint break prematurely however.
100 rounds out a black powder rifle is like 3-5 range trips keep in mind.

I haven’t actually done the math on 4F and flints vs a tin of caps. But Gas likely costs more considering you have to find an outdoor range, unless your a porchshooting Chad of course.

>>63781412
>$700 at LGS just yesterday
Wasn’t about to ask why because, even for a basic 1941 VKT, that’s several hundred under normal here. I’ve seen shops try to sell wartime 91/30s for $500-600 since covid. That shop had a rather unremarkable Swede m96 and Yugoslav sks for $600 and a Brazilian Mauser for $700 as well.

>>63780866
>K98 CE43 all matching down to the wood, no import, with an original "SC" marked sling, and a date matched bayonet/scabbard
For all the above market prices in that listing, this one is actually about fair market price assuming he's telling the truth and the rifle is truly original and matching as well as in very good to excellent condition. Matching original K98k bayonets are $200+ these days and matching rifles themselves average around $2000 for the most common years and only go up with condition and rare years/makers. Of course, if you aren't sure how to vet an original from a faked example and buy one without checking first, you're just asking to be ripped off.

I’d like to say again. M39 bayos are way rarer than I realized.

>>63781532
Mine is a '44 VKT I got from Sweaty Ben 9 years ago now. But there is no rhyme or reason to the prices I have seen at auction.

>>63781412
I think because K31 are still being imported in large numbers, whereas M39 are almost all secondary market now.

>>63780866
What an absolute lunatic. I will post my Soviet Mosin on here later y'all. I've never posted it before.

Nice even cloud cover this weekend made for good lighting to take surp pics.

>>63781532
There's a Yugo sks all matching near me for $400. Been resisting urge to buy it

>>63781758
I get that, but you would assume the market would be a bit more consistent on prices.

>>63782613
>Nice even cloud cover this weekend
That's cremated Canada.

>>63782812
Couldn't be, I didn't smell curry.

>>63780866
>$850 Carcano
Name and shame this retard

>>63776161
>Are there any websites or something you can look at?
Yeah there is, I did find a nice safe that's used and under $800 that I may end up buying eventually. Until then though I'll probably put my surp on one of these

>>63780861
>As for the gun itself the front barrel band spring doesn't seem to work and is super loose so I'm probably gonna order a part off of Centaury arms
Little update on this part right here
Unfortunately a new part isn't gonna fix this since the rifle received damage during bayonet training and the repair done by the swedes resulted in the spring not being able to be as wedged into the gun as it should be.
Still a nice piece though and me and my gunsmith bent the spring back into shape so it'll fit tighter and better but I'd need to put a piece of wood in there to make it like it should be

>>63784745
Oh yeah forgot to mention but its "technically" a bring back AG-42 so thats pretty cool as well

>>63780866
>seems to be matching from what I can tell
Doesn't he know how numbers work? Makes sense judging by those prices

What do you guys think about rechambered milsurps? A lgs has a Jungle Carbine rebarreled & rechambered to .30-30 Win for €200. Rechambered milsurps aren't rare here because of an old law which is no longer in place that bans civilians from owning 'military' calibers.

>>63784994
I think rechambered milsurps are great as long as they can be safely and effectively shot.

>>63782613
How does your Czech post-war K98k with the winter trigger-guard shoot? I've handled two in the past six months and passed on both because they had absolutely dogshit triggers.

>>63784994
>.30-30
>€
Can’t believe that round made it across the pond

>>63784808
>a bring back Ljungman
Pls explan

Any of you guys have a particular surp that you're saving up for? I'm slowly building up the funds for a G/K43 provided nothing else like an Imperial Kar98a or an M95 long boi pops up.

>>63786140
>particular surp that you're saving up for
RSC1917

>>63781494
ok good to know.
I did check out Pedersolli Brown Bess repros look pretty neat.

>>63786140
I bargain hunt. Any guy should have $5000 that can be reliably dipped into on hand.

2A1 $500 on gunauction

>>63786188
>Brown Bess
Down the British!

>>63781073
>Kentucky Rifle
Yippee Kayay motherfucker

>>63786370
I went into this flintlock journey thinking that too. But the Brown Bess to me just looks better. I have plenty of america fuck yea surp as it is. need some more brit even if it would be a repro

>>63786140
Crazy how a 1903 or 1917 is worth more than any foreign capture/import. More than Kar98s nowadays

Type 38 on GunsInternational for $375

>>63786630
>More than Kar98s nowadays
Not in my market. In fact most places I look M1903s are still ~$800 while guys will pay that for RC 98k. Even a bring-back 1944 Mauser 98k will bring over $1K if it’s matching.

Had my first misfire with a surplus 8mm Mauser round today so that was fun (went off after the 2nd strike)
While sketchy it’s not the sketchiest thing that’s happened to me, that goes to the 3 8mm Mauser rounds I found in the ammo can I that all my ammo came in that already had primer strikes on them but had not gone off

>>63786403
Keep in mind a lot of repro percussion guns might take musket caps which are a hell of a lot less common than no10/11 caps.

>>63785751
They used to be very popular here in Belgium, since everyone knew them from the westerns and up until 2006 it was classified as a hunting cartridge and you didn't need a special license for levers chambered in it. More recently no one's using it or they're even trying to sell their .30-30's because the ammo has become incredibly expensive (€1,27/round is the cheapest I could find) and most people have switched to .308 which is cheaper and more powerful. I think it's a neat and historically significant cartridge and the only reason I don't have one (yet) is because the ammo and the guns are so expensive :/

>>63786140
the k43 looks cool but they eventually break if you plan on shooting it. the main problem with them, other than being overgassed, is the sheet metal receiver cover that eventually breaks and that theres no meat at the back of the receiver because they had to put that dumbass safety switch there so it just bends out after a while
the fn49 is a much better semi auto 8mm mauser gun if you really need something

>>63786746
Shit happens with old ammo. If you have frequent failures to fire on the first strike, get a Wolff 22# mainspring (I assume you're shooting some Mauser 98 variant).

>>63786778
you can make musket caps with a hole punch and a coke can

>>63787521
Hakim is king, really.
So much fun.

Posting old photo, I haven’t gotten around to updating it with my M1C Garand, or Romanian M44

>>63786140
Honestly, I'm saving for a transferable Hotchkiss Portative right now.
>>63787543
Thats nothing. This is Bulgarian surplus 8mm in my Yugo K98.

>>63788330
Hey it Bulged; what did you expect?

>>63787543
Nah I probably dont need the wolf
That was my first and only missfire in ~100 or so rounds

>>63788219
It’s a good photo tho; I love your M1903.

>>63788475
The perfect re-loaders load : no more de-priming your brass, already done for you.

Recent auction winnings came in today.

>>63790212
Very cool. I recognize all the bayos. The rifle on top is something Japanese. Is the Mauser a m94 Swede?

>>63788330
Maybe it’s a good thing that shit was never reliable for me. I bought 450 rounds from Centerfire years ago because it was cheap at the time. I only ever tried about 15-20 rounds because every single one was a dud or a hangfire. So I recently pulled all the bullets, and reloaded the powder and bullets into brass cases.

>>63790591
Series 4 type 99 Nagoya and 1895 Chilean Long Carbine

If anyone of the rare GG users wants to know what tf deposits on the gun as the "Cosmoline stage", here it is. Looks like Poop but its extremly hydrophobe to barrier humidity and water away like those Teflon sprays for boots

>>63790645
delicious

>>63790631
>chileno
Always Very pretty. Any stock marks?

>>63781073
>Likely too expensive for a first timer.

Depending on what you want the ropos are sometimes more expensive. Or at least the same.

I got a beat up but still shoot-able springfield 1861 for $800

>>63791088
Jealous. I’ve been wanting exactly an 1861 for under a grand.

Need to wait for decent lighting and do it outside but decided to take an updated milsurp family photo

>>63792217
Since the beginning of time man has yearned to destroy the sun.

>>63785703
The trigger on that one is actually decent, but it's not Czech. Started life as a Standardmodell Banner Mauser, made it to Israel post war, got converted to 7.62 and picked up the stamped trigger guard presumably in Israeli service.

>>63780369 (OP)
Happy D-day erryone

found a semi auto PPSH41 build in a local gun shop, priced pretty hefty around 1800. But I've never seen any PPSH41 semi auto build priced below 3k. owner said it built by wiselite? Anyone have any experience?

>>63791132
>>63791088
Im not averse to paying 1k. Thats a pretty typical and in many cases lower cost than the other surp I am looking to get into. I got in when things were good with the $100 mosins and all that. Nowadays im getting into the rarer stuff where prices havent fluctuated as widely so i am prepared.

For that pourpose then, lets say my budget overall is 1.2k What are some good flintlocks/caps both original and repro to look into.

are the people who buy things from gray blankie mentally deficient or something? there usually is a completely comparable gun/item to what he is selling with a buy now price $200 less than what his auctions end up at. I know he bumps his own items but are the actual bidders actually this stupid?

>>63794696
Got a long mannlicher from him for like 400$. He may have been asleep when I swooped the winning bid.

After hearing about him on here I’ll consider myself lucky and avoid his shenanigans in the future.

>>63795073
Also him refusing to use gunbrokers payment method and demanding mailed money orders/checks is peak boomer.

But no surprises with this particular rifle. Great furniture, he mentioned it’s not 100% matching in the listing and it’s got a good bore.

Complied with the gay 3 day wait which at least let me anticipate a game of Finnish Roulette.

Was hoping for a Chatellerault. But a 1899 Tula is pretty cool.

>>63795168
Nice.

>>63795073
>Got a long mannlicher from him for like 400$
a win is a win

>>63795264
I don’t understand the date code

>>63781494
>>To that end, how long does the flint last for?
>Oh I’ve shot mine about 100 rounds and and it’s about time to have to change it for the first time
why are you lying like that? The face on a flint wont do 20 shots let alone 100

>>63795687
It’s the only Flintlock I’ve fired so I have no way to cross check my apparently fortunate experience but I’m telling the truth as far as I can remember. I’ve had the rifle for years and never changed the flint i bought it with. 100 is my round count to the best of my memory. I’ve done 2 25-round competions and several range trips shooting well more than 10 rounds. It must be a good 100 because my box of .490 round balls is gone, plus however many of my own soft casts I’ve thrown.

It has a small (1/2” x 5/8”) flint and has a gentle strike I guess. I take care to check and adjust it every shot so it strikes the frizzen squarely and evenly every round and I have to use a full pan of 4F or I get a misfire.
I thought i remembered it being in worse shape actually.

>>63795540
1920.

>>63795914
Thank you. I’m retarded

Overcast makes the best pictures

>>63797841
I agree, one of the silver linings living in Ohio.

>>63798569
One of those is not like the other

How much do K31 diopter sets go for these days?

Grabbed this Finn captured M91/30 today for $400. Has the Russian 1941 dated barrel (Izhevsk) on it with a great bore. Trigger pull is easily the best of any Mosin I own, and makes my M39's look like dogshit in comparison. Out of sheer coincidence I ordered Matt Dirisio's book three days ago too. Can't wait to learn more.

>>63799100
Cool. Where’s you grab it and did the seller know it’s history?

Let us know how it shoots.

any anons here have a Gewehr 43? Worth getting? I see them ranging from 3k-8k. I know they require a shooters kit if you want to shoot modern ammo with them.

>>63800035
>if you want to shoot modern ammo with them.
You'll need a shooters kit if you want to shoot ANY ammo with them
I don't own one but from what I've seen other anons talking about regardless of what you do to it, when you shoot it its not a matter of "will it break?" its a matter of "WHEN will it break" since basically all of them have cracks on the receiver due to being WAAAAAAY over gassed.
If I had the money and wanted to get one I'd probably do it but exercise some caution and get ammo that will do the minimum amount of damage to it (which is basically only modern ammo or hand loads light enough to still make the gun work) and know that even then it will eventually break after a certian amount of rounds

TLDR those things can handle about a week of serious wartime use before they destroy themselves so make that week last your entire life and you'll be fine

>>63800069
Yet another win for the SVT 40

>>63800035
Save yourself the trouble and buy an SVT

has anyone tried the new geco ipsc 154gr fmj flat nose? it has 283m/s and is below the max muzzle velocity of 320m/s for lugers.

>>63800214
save yourself the trouble and buy an sks.
svt beats itself to death like the g43.
the g43 is overgassed, the svt is a weak construction.

>>63800287
Commercial 54R is much cheaper than 8MM

>>63800325
It’s crazy that 8mm Mauser and 7.62x54r are cheaper than 556

Garands stay winning.

>>63800287
save yourself the trouble and buy an akm

>>63800325
not in europe
8x57is is a bread and butter hunting round here. 54r is exotic, there are the usual corrosive shitty surplus rounds, fmj s&b (which is ok) or lapua hunting rounds for a painful price per bang.

>>63800359
what is going on in the us?
.223 rem is like 50/70 cents, anything bigger exept nato .308 is 1.2 eurobucks minimum.
t.austrian

>>63800396
Well we destroyed about 100 million+ rounds when we left Afghanistan and since it’s our country’s service round and the caliber used by the most common rifle the demand for it is fucking crazy so you can reasonably rack the price up on it and people will still buy it
As for 8mm it’s kind of niche and the supply is so great you can find 8mm every now and then for sub 80¢ easily if it’s bulk and sub 60¢ if it’s bulk, AND corrosive or you could be lucky like I was and get 300 rounds of German k bullets that ignore level 3 armor plates for $55 lmao

And speaking of that I wish I bought the other ammo can that guy was selling but hey atleast I got one can of it (hope I see that guy and the one who was selling 760 rounds of Romanian for $200 and ~900 yugo for $300 sometime again)

>>63800367
garands beat em selves to death too if fed anything but m2 ball on the long term. and they have the by far most retarded loading system of all early semis.

the true advance of semiautos are the follow up shots. in that regard g43, svt, garand suck the same way because the recoil throws one off target and getting back on target saves just 1-2 sec. per shot compared to cycling a bolt action, at worse accuracy.

stg44, m1 carbine, sks are the true game changers, middle round, easier to control, faster follow up shots.

the only big boy round rifle that doesnt suck is the FAL. because its by original intent a light machine gun and should be used like one.

>>63800416
>garands beat em selves to death too if fed anything but m2 ball
Oh. Well it’s a good thing they didn’t do and also made 5,799,999 more M1s incase they did.

The game changer is being able to make a lot of what you need, you silly boy, something the Commies and Nazis weren’t particularly good at, which is why they’re not around currently.

>>63800413
we had a time around 2015 in the german
speaking lands when .223, .308 or 12/70 and 9mm had insane prices or were sold out everywhere. because the commie cunt Merkel opened the flood gates of shitskin migration from the arm pits of the world into Europe. and the silent majority did the right thing, stacking up.

the next strike against the wallets of european shooters was the russian clown show to rebuild the soviet union. now everything but 7x64 durrkillah or 9,3 hogdeath was really sold out for quite a while, not just more expensive.
now we are at +/- 250 euros for 1000 9mm which could be had for 130 like 5 years ago and below 100 before niggermerkel.

luckily im a paranoid surplus collector, and everytime i ran into some 8x50 lebel or 7,x55 swiss etc, i bought it. so i have quite an ammo stash now. ppu & co. are producing and the market has everything again, but recent prices for all calibers... holy mother. just bought 2x50 shots magtech .45 acp fmj. for 52 euros. and that was the cheapest brand.

>>63800478
the garand was so good, that it was replaced by the m14 asap.

>>63800478
i bet that ported gas plug for garands ist just sold because of fuddlore.

>>63800375
had both. to be fair, the sks is more fun.
akm is just weird to shoulder and aim, the taller you are, the weirder.
sks has a proper stock and no huge protruding banana mag.

>>63800489
Yeah and bf109 must have been shit because hitler wanted jets. What is this simping for M1s inferior peers? Is this just because they cost more and are less common and made by der Übermensch?

>>63800416
>garands beat em selves to death
They don't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOSdswZHJUc

>>63800494
>i bet that ported gas plug for garands ist just sold because of fuddlore.
It unironically is.

Going to try to sell one of my nonmatching Tula 1941 SVTs, what would you guys say is a "fair" price to sell it for, looking at the gunbroker sold history is very schizophrenic

>>63800480
I wanna see primer cost for rifles go down. 6,7ct for pistol primer is fine, rifle can improve. Also where do you live?

>>63801848
>one of my nonmatching Tula 1941 SVTs
>Owns more than one
Must be nice brother. If it helps I paid $2200 cash for picrel (42 Bulgarian refurb in an AVT stock, but I replaced the bolt carrier) last fall.

How'd I do /msg/?
Model 1895 Chilean Mauser.
$350 at the hammer.
After buyer's premium, shipping, transfer fee it'll be something like $550.

>>63802501
Matching it’s a fair price.

which one of you made this

>>63802501
>After buyer's premium, shipping, transfer fee
>$550

This is why I avoid auctions site like the plague.

>>63803207
If the gun shops around this area were any kind of not shit and there were any hope of finding decent things without having to deal with awful people and awful prices...
You don't know what you have until it's gone. I didn't know how good I had it until I moved to this godforsaken hellhole. I used to think all the stories in the "gunstore stories" threads were bullshit or butthurt anons exaggerating. Now? I believe every single one of them. Arrogant fucking assclowns that couldn't care less about their customers with no real selection and price gouging on ammo. And they have the temerity to bitch that all I'm giving them is a transfer fee instead of a sale. Bitch. Give me a price that isn't 42 gallons of gas or a couple weeks of groceries more expensive than what I just got the gun for and you can have the sale. "Well we just can't beat them, you should support local." I like to support local. But not at an additional 15% total cost, and not a miserable asshole like you. Pay attention when I walk into your store. Show a little engagment. Try putting prices on used guns that don't make me laugh.
Goddamn.

>>63786364
Are these bretty gud for 500? Or should I expect a subpar enfield?

>>63803342
What state did you move to? I used to live in TX and found their surp prices universally horrible.
t. current VA anon praying our gun laws don't completely go to shit.

>>63795168
>>63795264
What's a fair price for a Finn M91 these days? I'd love to get a long M91 as I currently only have a 91/30 for a 7.62x54R blaster and I think a long boi would be fun.

>>63803978
>What's a fair price for a Finn M91 these days?
500 and under I would say you're doing good. For M24s I would push up to 600 for my limit.
>I think a long boi would be fun.
Be prepared for how long these rifles can be. We're talking about G98,M96,1898 Krag, G96/11 era long.

>ffl is selling both an Enfield No3 and a Mosin M44 1944 for 549.99
Which to buy?

>>63804172
Neither

Kraut Surp

>>63804453
>a legit StG44
You're either one lucky bastard or a very rich one. Where did you find it and what year/maker is it? The StG44 is a dream rifle of mine.

>>63800619
lardo, m1 garand is le hollywood überrifle that outperformes every nazeee mg squad.
didnt you know?

>>63800680
just stuff some hot loaded commercial hunting match 3006 into it and see it doublefeed / slamfire like Ian did. too lazy to search for the vid now.

>>63804631
Yeah. Wrong ammo is bad. True with literally every firearm ever.
Are you paid to be stupid every day?

>>63800416
>and they have the by far most retarded loading system of all early semis.
8 round enbloc is much better and easier to use than fiddling with two stripper clips.

plus the garand was far simpler than the SVT-40 and G43 and was far easier to produce en-masse.

>>63804695
>plus the garand was far simpler than the SVT-40
It is not.

>>63804631
>like Ian did
Oh yeah Mr. "I shot Turkish 8x57mm in this mis-matched RC Mauser with a stock crack and it made the crack worse: all Turkish ammo is bad!" McGollum. Real expert.

>>63804675
>Are you paid to be stupid every day?
Do doubt subsidized by his bleeding-heart Socialist utopia.

>>63804695
looking into the actions of the three... no, sorry. the grand is not simpler. its the most fragile finicky constructuion of them all. and fucking mannlicher style loading frames. on a semiauto. are you real?

>>63804695
>plus the garand was far simpler than the SVT-40 and G43 and was far easier to produce en-masse.
I love the M1 but the design is janky as fuck, I'm surprised it works as well as it does. Not excessively complicated or weird, but certainly needlessly. Having the magazine be powered by the mainspring is certainly one of the design choices of all time.
Actually, I think it's strange that the US didn't come up and adopt with a more "conventional" autoloading rifle design, in the same vein as the SVT-40 or G43. That format just seems like a more natural conclusion if you're building a semi-auto from the ground up, especially if you've got bolt action/other manual action design in mind as a base.

Did i read Mannlicher somewhere in those pesty machine gun posts?
Anyways, mountain jews strait pull superiority has entered the room.

>>63805488
wheres your ross rifle

>>63805805
let the bolt head slam against the receiver, lugs bent, wont close.

nah just kidding, never saw one here in my poor socialist hellhole, ever.

>>63805981
is bakelite still full of cancerous phenol after all these years?

>>63806015
No phenol in Bakelite.

>>63805018
US arms trials, innovation and acquisition from 1880s to 1940s was anywhere between pants on head retarded and groundbreakingly ahead of its time.
Its why you had people in charge demanding that rifles should have magazine cutoffs well into when they had become irrelevant. People sperging out about licensing and lawsuits.
By the time the M1 was up for debate everyone was pretty done with being ridiculously thorough, saw something that was marginally better than the Pederson and was like, "that, lets do that".
No one had it in them anymore to drag their feet on stupid points. And the niggers that did that were dead, mainly the ante-bellum late 1890s command structure. Im generalizing a bit and the Brits did a fair bit of this too. But you get the idea

>>63794578

Id just skim gunbroker until you find a deal you like.


Something like this seems like what you might be looking for and in your price range.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1109573452

>>63806217
i love the story of the lee enfield action and the .303 brit.
almost as good as the story of the Gewehr 88 and its commission.

I found what seems to be a fake winchester 94 spruce gun at a gun shop being sold for a premium because of the markings. I wanted to buy it so i researched them and found that the marking on the one for sale isnt quite right. The "U.S." stamp next to the flaming bomb is not supposed to have the period after each letter. More importantly, the serial number is way off for it to be correct. That means it is likely a fake. To my knowledge the "spruce gun" is the only us marked winchester 94 out there.
It kind of sucks but i dont want to buy something like that at a premium price if its a fake

>>63804836
There are far more fiddly fragile bits on the SVT and G43 than the Garand my dude. Literally just watch any disassembly vids of em. Garand has a weird design but it fuckin works and you can see where it inspired Kalashnikov.

>>63806855

>>63806497
>>63806217
Who were the least insane?
I feel like Japan had a relatively drama free standard arm acquisition experience during that time period. France maybe?

>>63807169
I would say Italians, they're literally what isn't broke than don't fix with the carcano besides the 7.35 rechamber idea. Sucks too I would say the Italian carcano would improved if they took ideas from the type I rifle.

>>63807413
Probably this or the Japanese. While they didnt innovate as much or try to be on the cutting edge all the time, there was substantially less drama
>France maybe?
Same too. They struck gold with the Lebel but pretty much stagnated from there, which meant less fuckery but also less keeping up with the rapid pace of development which they had ironically started

>>63808593
>They struck gold with the Lebel
Literally the same rifle they adopted the year before, but in smokeless powder. The entire mechanism was already obsolete because rifles feeding from packet loading and detachable magazines were already a thing. If not for Boulanger sperging out over smokeless powder France would probably have adopted something like the Remington-Lee.

Pray for me the government lets me take home my AG-42 tomorrow and doesn't make me wait another week

>>63804498
It's a semi auto conversion on a rewelded reciever. It's a MP44, I forger the maker. It belongs to a friend of mine.

I do have a Thompson though.

>>63804836
It's not.

Get out and shoot them.

M1 Garand, SVT40, G43, in that order of reliability and shootability.

M1 Garand has a slight edge on the SVT40, and the G43 is by far the worst.

Feel like I hit the CMP jackpot. Colt slide, Colt frame, 1941 production date. Service grade.

>>63807169
japs half rimmed half necked 6.5 jap is a class of autism if its own.

the french conic bottleneck round
that screwed bolt head and HAVE U EVER DISASSEMBLED A BERTHIER ? the action os HOOKED into the stock.
autism on new levels.

>>63807413
carcano is a cheapo kitbash construction. but not a bad one, in theory.
the sights ate dogshit, such is quality. and the carcano en blocs are the shittiest of them all, single use.

would you lads buy some surplus ceramic plates? i've seen some italian stuff

>>63800416
>the only big boy round rifle that doesnt suck is the FAL. because its by original intent a light machine gun and should be used like one.
Exactly, you are so smart anon. Which is why most FALs had their select fire removed or disabled.

>>63806870
Seeing images like this it makes it clear why the Soviets focused on Mosin and PPSH production. The first time I took apart my SVT-40 I launched part of the spring assembly across my apartment.

I want to buy my first surplus rifle and I've decided on a Vz. 24. I love the mauser action and when shooting my buddies it was great. The only other gun I enjoyed more was the swedish mauser he had. Do you guys know of any good places to get a vz. 24 for a decent price, or is it just gunbroker?

>>63810197
get a kar98k

Can anyone tell me what this rifle is?

>>63810375
Spanish Mauser Model 1916 Second Pattern.

>>63810397
Thanks!

Kind of a shit picture, but can anyone tell if this is just old lead? I've got a Luger that has this build up at the muzzle when I shoot it, and I have to sort of peel it off with a small punch. It only builds up on one side of the muzzle, and its on the same side that the barrel appears to have significantly weaker rifling than the other side. The bore looks like absolute ass but still shoots almost as well as any of my other pistols do.

>>63810838
Don’t know what else it could be. What bullets do you use? FMJ?

>>63811811
Just FMJ yeah. I'm assuming that a previous owner used a lot of lead bullets and was careless about lead build-up, and my FMJ ammo is just forcing it out bit by bit. Never experienced anything like this before though, which is why I wanted to ask about it.

>>63810197
There's places like Proxibid and Simpsons LTD, but yea, Gunbroker is probably your best bet.

>>63810197
Yugos are probably the most common completely intact, good condition surps you’ll find in pawnshops. There’s a one that just showed up at one of my locals. Matching gun, $500 something plus sling and bayonet/scabbard-matching. Had the whole system been numbers matching I might have bought it but I’ve oddly never cared about yugo stuff.

They might ship it to you if you call

>>63808731
>France would probably have adopted something like the Remington-Lee.
and even then, the Remington-Lee being spun around from the US adoption spergfest

>>63802501
Shit anon for a second I thought we were going after the same rifle, but we weren’t. I was watching an auction that ended Sunday. I ended up with some 6.5, 7mm, and .308 bullets and a Garand stock, but that’s it. I was also trying to get an Argentine 1909 Engineers Carbine as there were 2 at this auction, but they went higher than I wanted to pay.

The Chilean 1895 I was after ended at $345, and I assumed with everything else tacked on it was gonna run $500-$550, so I let it go.

If I was closer to the auction I probably would have bid higher since I wouldn’t have to deal with shipping, but it was on the other side of the state so that wasn’t practical. Oh well.

>>63808987
>shooting G43
Why?

>>63810838
Not that I have experience with such a thing but are you sure the shitty rifling and lead shards aren't connected? By thag I mean I wonder how leaded to fuck that bore is and if your bullets are slowly flattening and widening that patch of lead (like rolling dough or clay into a sheet) causing more lead to show up at the muzzle as that patch thins and spreads. Absolutely pulling this out of my ass from nothing more than my """experience""" reading /k/ about leading in bores and a little bit of troubleshooting I've done in the past but it seems pretty reasonable.

>>63803894
I'm in a particularly godforsaken part of North Carolina.

>>63813004
If it had gone above 350 I would have dropped it. Sorry you didn't get yours Anon, but they're common enough you'll see another come up. We all just need a bit of patience... and a winning lotto ticket. That'd be nice.

>>63813953
>shitty rifling and lead shards aren't connected
I think there's a good possibility they are, at least on the side the lead is building up at the muzzle. Time will tell as I shoot it more, but I wouldn't be surprised if more rifling starts to show where it currently looks like it's worn out because of my FMJ ammo thinning and pushing the lead out like you said.

>>63814518
Brother I have had excellent luck at the shows in Raleigh don't give up hope.

>>63815003
I'm about 2 1/2ish hours away from Raleigh.
Ain't no way I'm getting up at the ass crack of dawn, paying for parking, paying an admission fee, and driving for about a total of 5 hour out of the day without a guarentee that I'm coming away with something good. Last time I put that much effort into a day it was to go to a Ren Faire with friends; and that was a guarenteed good time, good food, fantastic eye candy, fun shows.

What do you think bros?

>>63780369 (OP)
I really want to buy one of these russian wool trenchcoats/greatcoats, is anywhere legit, most of what I see is on EBay.
Are these people legit or am I just gonna get sent a pack of seeds from some jeet?

>>63816224
small ring 7.62 is pretty sus

>>63816224
>fashy crest intact
>nato swap
Wtf

>>63816379
>small ring 7.62 is pretty sus
Not that anon, but why?
As I understand it, converting from 7mm Mauser to 7.62 Nato involves reaming out the chamber, soldering in a sleeve, then reaming the sleeve to accept Nato rounds. There is a 0.11 mm difference in base diameter between the two rounds, the Nato round being smaller. The .055mm thicker walls of the chamber do seem irrelivant for pressure purposes. That said, the difference in pressure between 7mm Mauser and 7.62 NATO is only about 6.4%. NATO spec is 415 MPa, while 7mm Mauser C.I.P. is 390 MPa. Hot, but I don't think enough to warrant concern. As always, so long as you're not throwing Bubba's pissing hot hand loads in there, you should be fine.

>>63816379
I’d be weary of commercial conversions of Sudaca mausers into thuddy ott six by professional bubbas back in the 50s.

Although Spaniards are by far the worst gunsmiths in Yurop, I’d think they’d have taken proper actions to any repeated loss of their lil Falangist fingers in Jackboot camp if nato was too spicy for 1916s

>>63816841

>>63816841
>As I understand it, converting from 7mm Mauser to 7.62 Nato involves reaming out the chamber, soldering in a sleeve, then reaming the sleeve to accept Nato rounds.
That is not how the Spanish conversions were done. The M1916s had the barrels shortened from the chamber end and then a fresh 7.62NATO chamber cut into the now short-chambered barrel. There is no seam.

>>63814518
Yeah I wasn’t too bummed. I saw that examples that were just as nice as the one I was bidding on have sold on gunbroker for around that price, so I know they’re out there for cheaper.

I wasn’t dead set on buying one either. There was a bunch of stuff I was interested in from this auction and I was bidding on quite a few things.

>>63816429
>fashy crest intact
It's the Civil Guard crest which is used to the current day.

>>63816224
$175 more than I'm willing to pay. >>63816841
>As I understand it, converting from 7mm Mauser to 7.62 Nato involves reaming out the chamber, soldering in a sleeve,
You're thinking of the Chilean versions. The Spanish ones were arsenaled giving them new barrels, upgraded mauser parts such as locking screws and stock recoil bolts.

>>63817790
Well shit. Of all the things and places for an actual fasces to remain an emblem, I wasn’t expecting catalonia.

>>63817190
Ahh.
Okay then.
Kinda sus.

>>63817646
So nowhere for the gasses to erode? Sounds like a superior method to me.

>>63817932
Well i envy either your local surp market or your patience at auctions because hell a regular scubbed, mixmaster shit rod is $400 min where I live what I though was interesting though is I’ve never seen a
>caliber conversion
And
>non-scrubbed

More interestingly
>Non-scrubbed
And
>import marked
Let alone all three. But I don’t see them often enough nor read their importation history to know if that’s all uncommon enough to be cool. I figured it was uncommon based on instinct.
Description said it was numbers matching too which Im darn pretty sure isn’t very common. So another $60 on top isn’t balkable to me unfortunately.

Yours HATO too or still in 7mmasterace? Import marked? Numbers? I’d like to know if my gullibility is playing into the crappy surp market nowadays

>>63817646
>>63817190
>>63817932
I shall absolutely inspect with a borescope should I ever think of firing any el conversión del Latino and report back with verified 1st hand information

>>63817190
Just shoot corrosive ammo. It’ll weld itself together.

>>63813677

See what it's like.

>>63818263
I have no interest in collecting handgun surps but I’m made envious a suspicious number of times for that to be true.

>>63818380
I started with rifles and wasnt interested in pistols. Now Im working my way thru the pistols. It happened to me and itll happen to you.

>>63809800
Congrats fren. I have always been tempted to try but then I remember my dad has his uncle's 1918-production 1911 in his safe and remember I have basically the closest thing to an American Holy Relic that exists so I will leave the other historical ones for others.

>>63818773
pre A1 is pure sex

>>63818397
If you’ve got a full prewars, WW1, WW2, Cold War rifle collection, you better let us see it

>>63818380
collecting milsurp rifles but not milsurp handguns is fudd
plus i find arisakas boring, literal mauser 95 variant and nothing will make me believe otherwise

>>63820134
Lol is your safety Pete Townsend?

>>63820193
you gotta wind it up so it shoots harder

>>63820052
I have nearly full WW1 and WW2 and alittle pre WW1. No cold war. I aint pulling everything out of the safe so heres a random pic

Mauserbros, I am resurrecting an 1895 Chilean carbine barrelled action as my first Mauser and I am wondering what options I have for rear sights.

Happy to modify stuff and i dont even have a stock yet, so would any small ring work? Or even large ring as long as it doesnt need a lathe, the #1 tool i should have but dont.

Ideally the sights should look cool and be good, I've already ruled out matching because they are out of my budget and this is a barrelled action with holes drilled through the crest.

>>63818035
>Well i envy either your local surp market
Having a decent Cabela's an hour away makes all the difference in the world, and have gotten many good deals from them. From $500 RC 98ks to 250 Rommy M44 Mosins. Hell I picked up my FAL with SUIT for less than 1500 dollarydoos like 2 weeks ago from the same Cabelas.

>>63821545
Nice.

>>63822416
So you too have a GC in 7.62nato? Well I feel foolish. Thank goodness I’m also a procrastinator.

>>63820052

How about adecent WWII German collection.

Before you get excited the MG42 is a dummy.

>>63822780
>making implications about the stg

>>63822908
It's semi only but original parts.

>>63822780
>>63822908

Also I am a retard and wrote MG42 when it's clearly an MG34.

>>63821810

>>63822780
>how about a decent WWII German collection.
>no p38
one job

>>63823143
I forgot to bring it.

A rifle I’m looking for seems more common in another country. Anyone ever gone through an importer to bring in a C&R?

>>63823168
How about stabbers?

>>63823265
What rifle and no. Maybe 12-20 years ago it was much easier as an individual to import, not so much anymore

These useless fucking websites need to remove “SOLD - 2012” pages from search engines, let alone this shit

>>63823353
Donut steel

[spoiler] Mosquefal

They seem to be present in some number in AUS. And I will rob them of the few firearms they’re still allowed, if necessary.

>>63822780
I need to update my German family photo, there's been a few additions since I last had them all out.

>>63822780
i got a semi auto mg34, helps me cope

Any of you 'spergs know where I can find some original accessories for my M16A1?
I'm looking for the following:
M7 bayonet
Vietnam-era sling
Cleaning kit

Important note; It has to be from sellers who'll ship this shit to Europe.
New production replicas aren't of interest to me, it has to be original.

>>63826303
NaturaBuy, maybe.

>>63826303
Never mind, I think I found a seller who'll ship this stuff internationally.

Thanks anyway.

>offer declined
The website must not allow the offer option to be removed because you couldn’t even counter offer?

>closes on the NO GO
I’m sure it’ll be fine

>>63832287
>I’m sure it’ll be fine
No-Go is only for setting initial headspace. Field gauge is what you want.

>>63832287
>>63832378
>using gauges
Eyeball it and give it a whack

>>63832429
they give an explanation why Olga has an accent but Helga doesnt?

>>63832378
>>63832429
>one locking lug
>made by bengalis
I’m sure it’ll be fine

>>63832980
REAL MEN lock their actions with painting shims

>>63794026
>PPSH
any anons have any insight on this

Is it possible for finnish M39's to be antiques and not require an FFL?
I found one on Gun broker and the receiver was made in 1898 according to the seller and that its not required to be shipped to an FFL but I was talking about it with a gun at my LGS and he said that it technically doesn't meet the criteria to not need an FFL. I'm not sure myself but I'm tempted to get it since I can just have it shipped straight to my house and wouldn't need to wait 2 weeks for my background checks to clear like I have been lately

>>63836136
The whole pre-98 antique stuff can get fucky, mostly because of the state you are in. Most cuck states will not recognize no FFL pre-98s. Check your state laws on what you FFL claims.
That said, get a C&R and dont worry about anything.

>>63836136
Just get your c&r and ship all milsurps to your home. It's based, I live in a cucked state that has a state law against it but some places don't care and still ship me rifles.

>>63836136
The seller has the burden of 98% of the law. If he ships it great

>>63836184
I live in Missouri so not really a cuck state (in fact I think we have it better than Texas)
>>63836213
Unfortunately I'm not 21 so no C&R license for me
>>63836244
Thats what I was thinking, the guy selling is a "Top 100 Seller" so I'm not to worried, just dont fancy losing $700+

>>63836184
>>63836266
Pre-98 has gone thru several interpretations and many folks have their own take and both state and fed dont help with it.
There are 2 schools of thought:
Pre-98 no ffl means, it was made before 1898 therefore you do not need to undergo any background checks or ffl transfers.
The other is Pre-98 means pre CENTERFIRE cartridge/breechloaders. Mainly muzzleloading muskets, cap revolvers and such require no background check and FFL

Its dumb, and lots of FFLs will use either interpretation. Its why sometimes youll see things like Winchester 1895s being listed as "musket" despite it not being anything of the sort.

>>63836345
Well the biggest rider is that a pre99 gun has to not have been altered. And a center fire weapon that fires an “obsolete” cartridge which is not commonly sold anymore.

It’s why I have such a pain trying to buy an updated gew88 which like many rebarrels have a post 98 date stamp.

>>63836136
>Is it possible for finnish M39's to be antiques and not require an FFL?
Yes. If the receiver was manufactured prior to January 1st, 1899 it is legally an antique.

>>63836266
>I live in Missouri
Then the person you spoke to is wrong. A legal antique can be shipped to your door without issue.

>>63836927
>has to not have been altered
That affects C&R eligibility in the eyes of the ATF, but it doesn't affect antiques.

>>63837088
Needs martini

>>63836184
>The whole pre-98 antique stuff can get fucky, mostly because of the state you are in
As a former NJfag, where not even C&R FFLs are valid, I can vouch for this.
Shit, federal law says I can buy a rifle or shotgun anywhere in the lower 48 and drive home with it so long as it is legal in the state I live in, and yet I watched a shop owner here in Virginia tell someone they couldn't sell him any rifle without shipping it, because he was from Florida.

Why are you retarded zoomers paying over $1k for an intact mum Arisaka? Arisakas are everywhere. They aren't rare intact or not. That's why there are 30 or 40 intact mum rifles for sale on gunbroker each week.

You can barely even get ammo for these things.

>>63801861
autriche mon ami
primers are rarer here now too, large size for rifles was unobtanium for like 2 yrs., much more costly now

>>63838389
CO fag. No shop will let a serialized bangbang out there door without a background check and wait. Only big ones like scheels or cabelas will let you walk out with caplocks

>>63838389
>>63840358
WA Fag here. that sucks I know we are close to peak worst laws here now, but even with the new ones that passed this year, C&R still works.

>Cossaks use PPSHs as parade guns
Baller

Also does anyone know why Russia uses the SKS as their ceremonial rifle? You'd think they'd logically use the Mosin or even the SVT or AK over the SKS.

Anyone going to OFASTS next week?

>>63813004
>long M95
Nice. I found a long boi online in 8x56R that the seller is asking $600 for, seems to be a nice refurb with force matched stock and bolt. Is that a fair price for one these days or is that a little high?

>>63842721
What's that? On what I assume is a related topic, I was surprised to see no Reading MAAM WWII Weekend pics/threads this year. I know I remember mentions of the Reading MAAM in museum threads at the very least.

>>63843986
Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot And Trade Show
Basically it’s a gun show in Oklahoma (it’s near Indigo Sky Casino which I’m mentioning cause it’s really in the middle of nowhere where) with a HEAVY emphasis on the full auto shoot part where a bunch of guys let you shoot their guns for kind of high prices but hey how often can you shoot a colt monitor or MG-42 that’s full auto
Also like half the time they’ll just give you a free mag or 2 to shoot if your chill and the organizers aren’t looking (since they have a minimum amount they are required to charge you)

>>63844071
We had something like this in Oregon years ago. The Saddle Butte MG Shoot. same thing, you roll up pay some cash to the dude and shoot all sorts of MGs. Been gone a long while now. Guess the closets for us up here is Arizona MG shoots. Maybe theres something in Idaho? i havent checked.

>>63844071
Can you BYOMG and do they ask a lot of questions?

>>63844071
Fucking based, freedom sports right there

>>63844186
Can’t bring your own gun day of the show (in fact they have a guy with a full auto UMP standing as security at the front gate) but you can buy a section on the firing line if you email the organizers. The right side of the firing line is very expensive, one guy ALL the way to the right had about 3 or 4 overhead gazebo’s and said it cost him like $1500-$2000 just for his spot but some dentists did spend $3,000 to shoot ~100 rounds each out of everything (including a PKM and m240/9 (can’t remember which version it was))
If I had to guess If you buy a section on the left half where most of the private guys congregate your looking at maybe like $250-500 for a single gazebo
Also also while the gun show doesn’t have many tables to buy from it’s almost all milsurps with a good variety to pick from but I’ve never bought anything from there (gazebo or gun) so take what I said with some salt

>>63844071
Shit, I wish we had something like that in PA, though there is a place or two I know of that does MG rentals. Have a pic from WWII Weekend; a reenactment group had 2 groups of 2 planes (IIRC) with paratroopers jumping from them landing on the runway (which was pretty fucking awesome btw). I managed to get this pic with a terrible setup since my good camera has been dead a while.
>captcha: H4D M2

The day of the pillow ebbs ever closer.

>>63846676
Soon. the closer we get the more unhinged the taglines will be

>>63846884
REAL Authentic 1941 9mm (NOT 9mm Makarov) WW2 LUGER HITLER, Eastern Front, UNIQUE Toggle Lock action. NOT 1911, NOT Hi-Power, NOT P38, NOT PPK, NOT Colt, NOT Winchester, REAL BIDS ONLY. Read Description Fully, SELLER NOT RESPONIBLE FOR PACKING. $5,000 FIRM

>>63847474
The fucking "Not (completely unrelated guns and these are here to catch people searching the other things)" Should get people perma-banned on GB.

>>63847474
Parody is unnecessary anon.
>RARE!!!

Does anybody think these M39 bayonets this Bulgarian is selling on eBay are real? Scabbards I believe.

>>63847876
looks legit but that price is ridiculous

>>63837088
I need a 1886 Lebel.
what manner contract is that mauser on the bottom row?

>>63847598
THIS IS GENUINE MOSIN NAGANT, SON. IT"S ALL MATCHING!

>>63849096
Those guys HAVE to be money laundering, I see them listing so much shit for way to high of a price
They have an Non Matching M/41b starting at 6 grand which is higher than the matching ones I saw at Tulsa, hell I (<-emphasis) got one on gunbroker for $2900 ($3400 after everything and rounding up) and the thing is fully matching besides butt plate, mag plate and cleaning rod

>>63843961
$600 is a bit high for one of those.
Also, taking my K11 backpacking this weekend for the first time.

>>63849075
>what manner contract is that mauser on the bottom row?
South African Republic.

Wtf is this silly shit

I've been having fun comparing the 1916 Spanish to the 1895 Chilean it really is funny how similar they are.

1916 Spanish Positives:
>Gas relief hole
>Stronger rear sight design
>Hinged floorplate
>Cutout for stripper clips
>Follower lock bolt open open on empty (can be positive or a negative)

>1895 Chilean positives
>Rear bolt handle safety lug
>Better sight picture
>Better sling loops
>More modern rounded bottom on bolt
>Better trigger and smoother bolt
>Nicer wood and finish
>Overall nicer quality

There are a couple of other really small differences, I like both but definitely prefer the Chilean.

>>63851158
There’s a version of the Chilean short rifle with a tangent leaf style sight, and the first pattern of the Spanish model had the Lange sight. Also not all of the Spanish M16 had the hinged floorplate.

>>63849313
>$600 is a bit high for one of those.
Thanks anon, I guess I'll stick to a limit of $500-$550 for a really nice one then.

>>63851133
Clone correct Indochina set up right there sonny.

Well MSG, it arrived.>>63802501
It is not matching. The stock, barrel, and reciever match, but the bolt is from an earlier rifle. That said, they're less than 1000 apart.
The action is smooth, so very very smooth.
I'm going to post some pictures of things I find interesting about it. Also a question about pic related : how do I rewhite the crest? I got a little over zealous going after the cosmoline and the degreaser took the whiting out of part of the crest.

>>63855065
Among the interesting things, this particular rifle still has the pre-spitzer ladder sight, AND it is in perfect condition. It is tight and the sight locks into place perfectly. Not bad for a 126 year old mechanism.

>>63855079
It looks like the trigger originally had a straw finish, which I find odd on a military gun. Straw finishes are just aesthetic yeah? and provide no real benefit other than looks? I could be wrong about the original finish of course, and wrong about the no benefit part. I suppose it's possible the trigger was changed out at some point, but I very much doubt it. After taking it apart I feel pretty confident it's been sitting in it's stock undisturbed ever since it was put there. Everything was perfectly fit metal to wood in the stock, to an honestly impressive degree.

>>63855099
The crest in the stock is perfect, and I wan to share it with crest appreciators.

captcha : JKRAG

>>63855112
I spent a couple hours taking her almost entirely apart. Even took the bolt apart, and I'm glad I did as it was FULL of cosmoline. It looked like somebody had actually just packed it in there with a grease gun or something. Some Mean Green and elbow grease cleaned it out. I used some heavyish lucas oil to coat all the parts for lubrication and protection then put it back together. Cleaned the bore. The rifling is tired, but still distinct, though the grooves are pitted. I gave the stock and hand guard a light coat of linseed oil; the wood felt dry. It sucked most of it right up and I wiped away what little oil stayed on the surface. I've got a few boxes of S&B 173 grain that claims to clock in at 2379 fps. AFAIK that's pretty damn close to the original military loading for the rifle. I'm not expecting a lot given the bore, but I'm hoping for better than minute of man. Sometime soon (next few days I hope) I'll find out at the range.

>>63843986
It was sort of shitty weather this year for WWII weekend. I usually go but didn't.

>>63844271
>>63844757

I have good news for you, brother, we do have something like that in PA.

Idk where you are in the state, but Shooters Gauntlet up in Bradford County has two machine gun shoots a year, one in June and one in September.

And you they have a public lane too if you want to bring you own MG or whatever, as long as it's not a tripod mounted HMG or anything.

>>63780369 (OP)
Going camping with some buds, What's the best mre for someone new to eating them? Am I better off just getting mountain house or something?

>>63855903
Veggie Omelette.

If you can eat those, you can eat any of them.

>>63855903
Chili with beans is real nice
The old "vegan" menu 11 from like 2022 is also extremely good
"vegetable crumbles in a taco style sauce" or something like that

>>63855867
Yeah rainy as fuck.

>>63855894
Nice, thanks anon.

>>63855065
>rewhite the crest
Brownells lacquer-stik, they're about $5 on their website before shipping. The tip usually dries out after a while, so before every use you'll have to shave the dry layer off. Then you just rub it with slight pressure over the crest, and then take a tissue to wipe away the excess around it. Your crest is still really well defined unlike my Chinese Mauser, so you shouldn't have to worry about unintentionally wiping out the lacquer that got in it.

>>63856299
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you Anon.

Red 9 for $2000. Good replica stock. Want.

>>63859899
Sorry $3K

Umm bros. Wat?

>>63851133
I don’t know but I’m about to buy it.

ok Swiss chads. I saw a deal I couldn't ignore and now have a K31 en-route. I never had a swiss gun before so I need a quick rundown on ammo, clips/magazines and bayonet/other accessories.

It seems that the GP11 ammo is harder to come buy these days. Are any of the alternatives decent?
Cardboard clips? From what I have seen posted, hey hold up well but originals are expensive. Any repros good? I heard GP11 bricks come with some clips, is this true?
Anything to look out for when buying a bayonet?

tldr; what do I need to have fun with the swiss shootenheimer?

>>63860830
You’re welcome. I think that’s a pretty ok deal actually. However you think of it in your head.
>$700 m937
>$300 Tok

Anyone know what the hell this nato is?

>>63860952
Bayo*

>>63860916
> I heard GP11 bricks come with some clips, is this true?
None of my 1970s-‘80s cases had them. Got all mine secondhand at an auction. Don’t spend much money on them; you only want a couple. GP11 is as good or better than any commercial 7.5x55mm you can get in the US.

>>63860916
Cant handload better than GP11 but PPU and S&B have been good to me in my K31 although I had 2 rounds of S&B 6.5x55 that were either over or under loaded (not sure) that locked up my bolt and covered the entire bolt face and extractor in carbon (came out of the same box of ammo)
Cardboard clips are obviously gonna be original but they are usually the price of 2-4 repro clips, The repro's I have are 3d printed ones by a guy name saffron3dsolutions and they are extremely fucking tight to the point it hurts my thumb to use them (also I took them out in 80 degree weather and set them down on my shooting mat and they got limp from the heat so I had to put them back in my car to cool off, thankfully they didn't deform). The polymer ones I see on youtube shorts seem to work a lot better
Never seen the bricks come with chargers personally.
I don't really know anything about bayonets just make sure it fits on your gun

at a 300m zero the gun is gonna shoot high so you'll need to do a 6 o' clock hold (I myself haven't gotten the hang of this) but I found with a 200m zero I can still easily hit torso targets at 300m aiming at the upper half/neck area

>>63860979
>>63860961
Thank you for the advice.
My concern is that although the most superior option, GP11 seems to be $3/rd from some of the places that I saw that actually had it in stock so I'm not really thrilled to buy that over S&B or PPU

>>63861027
>$3 a round
Lucky me getting it for about $1.30 a round

>>63861027
>3$ a round

Almost suffering as bad as us 8x50R bros

Very unfortunate that both 7.5 and 6.5 surplus is basically non existent for a good price
Also does anyone know of a website that I can buy individual cartridges for a good price and not get ass raped with shipping (trying to cartridge collect 6.5) I cant really afford to spend $15 per bullet on shipping with gun broker

>>63861062
>trying to cartridge collect 6.5
Just dig around loose ammo bins at gun shows. Saves you the shipping, will be way cheaper and the fun of the search

>>63861062
There’s big money for the first autist that buys some reloading benches and a shack in South Asia

>>63861047
>$3 a round is "suffering"

>>63861127
Post your wounds

What’s the damage per range trip

>>63860946
I paid that for a yugo and Norinco

I agree the Atlantic is a deal.

How is the shit they send? RTI hit or miss tier? Or cosmoline gems?

>>63861134
Here. I'll let (You) decide how much this bin is worth

>>63861167
about tree fiddy

>>63860952
British Pattern 1903 for the SMLE.

>>63861167
Not that much compared to some other range trips.

>>63861144
>Or cosmoline gems?
Atlantic’s are a bit banged around but all m937s coming in now seem properly mothballed, even under the wood and in the bore. That combo is honestly a deal. Don’t know anywhere else you can get an intact, good k98 for less than a grand

>>63861288
Huh. Thanks. Someone mislabeled it as a trapdoor spike

>>63861144
I bought an all matching M937A last year along with the Greek ammo as part of a bundle. The rifle was in overall nice, used condition. The bore had lost some of the sharpness to the lands but the rifling was still strong and free of pitting and the only pitting I found on the rifle was under the handguard where some moisture got trapped. But the Atlantic mausers are solid rifles in my experience.

>>63861393
Did you regrease it?

Do you guys have any reloading recommendations for poorfags?
I really want to duplicate M/41 loads for my Swedish sniper but can’t really drop $1000 on gear
I already have brass (granted it’s mixed in with brass from another 6.5 Swedish gun I have)
I think I might be willing to spend $200 on a charge master though since I don’t trust myself to load the powder
Also I can get berdan primed brass by pulling the wooden bullets out of training rounds I buy for .20¢ but 99% of the cases have rust spots on them so idk if they can handle a full power round. Not sure what’d I’d do with the powder though

>>63851158
>>63851198
i've never seen a spanish 1893 rifle / carbine from the civil war era which wasnt heavily used / worn.
and im in europe so its not a florida warehouse rust.

my guess is, since the spanish civil war was a typical civil war, infantry, armed civilians and the international brigades were marching and shooting around a lot. but the usual army infrastructure for maintenance and armorers was almost not there, and more important the soldiers were depending on their unit/origin more or less neglecting the guns. so they spent years in the open with the partly vigilante infantry who gave a shit and thats why they look so beaten.

the 98 models from the franco era which didnt see a war aren that fucked up, usually.

>>63862400

>>63862400
We are also getting many rifles that had been conscript drill rifles for a decade or two by the time they're being imported to the US circa 1960. My refurbished Spanish M93 was refurb-serials-matching and the inletting on its stock was terrible and resulted in the wrist splitting longitudinally, which was repaired with a useless repair that did not address the issue at all.

>>63862401