>Government of Pakistan:
>China offered 40 x J-35 stealth jets, KJ-500 AWACS, HQ-19 defense systems to Pakistan, and deferred $3.7B in debt.
How will India counter this?:
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1930941226171163127?t=C7FnIsWjfurmvPY2bMapCQ&s=19

>3.7B
that's kinda cheap.

>>63792069
Read it again, they're deferring existing debt.

>>63792058 (OP)
Truly China's Israel

>>63792081
What does "deferring debt" mean?

>>63792058 (OP)
Sino Stans, we just keep winning

>>63792117
To postpone or reduce payments for debt.

>>63792117
you date you have to pay back the principal is postponed. you still need to pay interest though

>>63792117
it means china would allow pakistan to pay their debt another time and freezing the interest rate

>>63792127
>>63792129
>>63792131
Sounds like in the longterm, that would just give more money to China via interest, or keep Pakistan locked into a debt trap for longer.

Bharat bros, what now? Su-57 is dead. F-35 has kill switch shenanigans. What do procure to stymie the now uppity Pakistanis due to their buoyed morale?

>>63792058 (OP)
>3B
>2B
a monthly software subscription fee of an american plane

>>63792058 (OP)
>How will India counter this?
By bombing and destroying the precious J-35s on the runway(s) itself.

>>63792253
India is too incompetent to do it

>>63792303
Well, with their back to the wall, what other option do they have in a conflict scenario? Allow it to breach defense cover and run wild?

>>63792058 (OP)
>How will India counter this?
By hiring Zoltán Dani as senior advisor for the IAF.

>>63792058 (OP)
>Chyna offers billions in equipment
>AND deferred debt?
For what?

>>63792058 (OP)
>HQ-19

why would they need that?
It's an strategic level ABM system designed to take out ICBMs.

>>63792344
Advertising their gear on india maybe.

>>63792348
>the missile itself is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles on the 3,000 km (1,900 mi) range class
>THAADN"T

>>63792406
HQ-19 is basically what the notional THAAD-ER would be, aka capable of intercepting RVs and HGVs at altitudes beyond the atmosphere when it enters terminal phase.

>>63792166
>debt trap
>it's a completely normal loan equivalent to IMF/WorldBank

>>63792344
Free advertising, countering India.

>chink shill script dumping yet another system totally bigger better than us' ones
It's all so tiresome

>>63792058 (OP)
>J-35 stealth jets
>J-35
>stealth
lol lmaos even

>>63792447
Face saving culture, plz understand

The J-35 is not a stealth jet, it’s low-observable at best.

>>63792457
>w-we never retreated from the Houthis OK?
>w-we only made a deal with them they promise to stop hitting our ships, they still attack Israel's but that's not the topic here haha
>we losing three super-hornets against a nation without navy and airforce is totally normal and OK and a warm-up for the war against China that we will totally win, since we produce much more steel than Chin- oh wait

yeah, tell me about face saving

>>63792426
It’s a S-300 copy.

>>63792471

You really want me to repost this every thread do you

>>63792492
>posting photoshop shit
Grim, but expected of the chink race

>>63792501
Looks very good, no blisters and cracks anywhere unlike on the F-35 and F-22

>>63792515
Once again it's expected that you can't really see with your slanty eyes lol

>>63792531
I can see these cracks just fine lmao

What really matters is uzbekistan, the dominant regional superpower in its nation. How is it going to get and maintain jf-17 or j-10c when its current fleet of soviet era mig-29 and su-27 (not even with any post soviet upgrades) are poorly maintained and they probably have like 2 flying because all uzbeks are lazy niggers

>>63792638
in its region*

>>63792058 (OP)
Is the F-35 like a real entry level bicycle, like a standard size and speed hybrid or road bike. Meant to be used for years but also meant to be upgraded. meanwhile the J-35 is a walmart bike or bicycle shaped object that costs half to a third as much and is made of potmetal and is made to be used and thrown away within 6 months?

>>63792515
That's because it doesn't have a stealth coating you chinkwit. Hence why it isn't stealthy.

>>63792669
>source: pajeet

The J-20's RAM is baked and weaved into the structure itself and is very friendly towards maintenance unlike the primitive F-35 and F-22's RAM.

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/ancient-chinese-silk-weaving-stealth-coating-longevity

>>63792684
>this is the chinese actuarry berieve

the bugs will probably control the military market soon enough, just like they did the commercial.

>>63792098
>Truly China's Israel
Israel and Israeli dual-citizens are the dictating partner in its relationship with the US and the collective West.
China is the dictating partner in its relationship with Pakistan. So the dynamics are totally inversed.
>>63792322
>>63792253
>By bombing and destroying the precious J-35s on the runway(s) itself.
If India tried that again on a larger scale, they'll just be humiliated even more because they've managed to lose every aerial war the past several years. Not to mention, Pakistan would have to actually retaliate by hitting Indian targets.

>>63792712
I too want my keyholes included superblaster6900 ar47

>>63792702
Seeing is believing.

>F-22: rivets, cracks and chippings
>J-20: neat rivets, perfect edge treatment on every panel

>>63792712
They'll flood the market with cheap stuff then give the middle finger to everyone when maintenance concern arises

>>63792684
In reality Lockheed Martin developed specialized autoclaves to bake in advanced RAM. China could not duplicate or acquire this technology so, as usual, we’re forced to cope with something inferior. In fact just about EVERYTHING in China’s advanced aerospace industry is this story. Yes there is a downside to Lockheed’s advanced RAM in that maintaining it requires exotic concoctions which are expensive — but that’s why the U.S. is the only country on the planet which makes stealth planes. China is ridiculously behind because the technology is so rare and completely under the control of one country they can’t acquire it. Cope for the rest of time.

>>63792726
>chink tag upper right
Berieved ror

>>63792760
Your RAM sure helped you evade detection lol.

>>63792726
>posting the airshow f-22 again and again and again
Truly bug race

>>63792760
The article is full of "they said so" anyways so kinda useless until actual engineers from around the world look at it.

>>63792763
Yeah the Chinese laugh at you while visiting the US and pity you for being muttmericans. Chinese vloggers make big money by documenting your imperial decline.

>>63792760
>Cope for the rest of time.
Why do you think this chinksect is here today? lol

>>63792471
J-35 has better stealth form than F-35
Flat.

>>63792726
>seething is believing
fixed

>>63792766
That's pretty shit quality desu. Also
>xixixixixixi we have superior stealth
>stealth doesnt matter anyway
Fucking bugmen

>>63792058 (OP)
Original source:
https://x.com/GovtofPakistan/status/1930903310384439604

>>63792802
>sacrificed iwb
>less stealthy design
>made with chinkshit
Traaaaash

>WinsDiplomacy

Isn't sending stealth aircraft on a mission to destroy stationary ground enemy targets a one-way trip only? The moment they open their bomb hatches, they'll establish a radar cross-section and risk getting shot down.

>>63792835
Depends how long the hatch is open

>>63792802
Flat vs curved isn’t a style choice, it’s advanced manufacturing capability vs simple manufacturing capability. I’m sure you know why we NEVER see high-resolution closeup shots — because it would make that difference painfully obvious.

You only get stealth by combining advanced shapes, advanced RAM and super tight tolerances. If you’re missing one of these you get low-observable at best. These planes don’t have curves because China CAN’T MAKE THEM.

>>63792844
>, it’s advanced manufacturing capability vs simple manufacturing capability.
Chubby tity latina vs flat Aryan broad.

>>63792844
kek this cope

F-35 needed those curves simply because they fucked up with the single engine+VTOL requirements.

The F-35 is less stealthy than the F-22, and the F-22 doesnt have those "curves" aka failures of design.

>>63792864
that still has more body curve then this >>63792802 piece of shit which looks like its made out of right angles

>>63792870
>kek this cope
>he says while coping

>>63792058 (OP)
Which one is better, S-400 or HQ-19?

>>63792802
Even chinese experts said J-35 "probably" isn't as stealthy as F-35 (but still within VLO category)

>>63793029
At this rate, 'd say HQ-19 simply because it's a much newer system and China bought S-400 a decade ago which means they must've uncovered all of S-400 critical data

>>63792826
the J35 weapons bay is both bigger, and carriers more missiles than the f35 and LARGER ones

>>63793132
chinks are only capable of seething and telling straight up lies, so I don't believe you

>>63792432
>>63792166
They just rent out a space from Pakistan in return. This gives China a shore from China -> Pakistan -> Ocean from NW corridor. If China develops the route properly, they could have a huge economic zone right there as well as a military installation/station. Same with China/Sri Lanka. China/Myanmar. India is getting surrounded by China.

>>63792447
>everything I don't like is a shill post
How is it even possible to be this mindbroken?
>>63792477
And 20+ reapers. So far that is, kek

>>63793210
Did you just clock in?

>>63793067
I wonder if the Chinese have integrated AI/newer sensors into the system so that they function better.

>>63793201
"rent out space"

aka a trade route that's mutually beneficial.

>>63792482
you're stupid and you should stfu

>>63792058 (OP)
Don't think they'll go with the AWACs. They already tried the chinese one and weren't impressed. The SAAB Erieye they use is far superior and better integrated.

>>63792864
>flat Aryan broad
and there it is. chinks want to be white so fucking bad, its embarrassing

>>63792901
>>63792870
He's right, the original design of the F-35 was a flat bottom. They realized they couldn't fit everything and had to compromise. The protrusions they couldn't remove had to be solved by an early 2000s computer simulation at the last minute of the project.

>>63793201
It’s more accurate to say profit from all trade, economic activity, and port visits belong to the Chinese. Not 100%, but a typical deal for something like that is around 90% to the Chinese and 10% to the host country’s port authority.
Additionally, the Chinese are pretty good about creating a self contained economy for themselves. Whichever company is in charge of running the port will typically create housing for their workers and Chinese run businesses catering to typical everyday life is set up by them. The idea that the host country can create a realistic profit that will pay off the loan with their new port IS the debt trap: you’re making dimes on the dollar and can’t even get some money from the workers because it’s an ethnic centered economy.
On the plus side you can find a Chinese shop and food stall almost anywhere they have a belt and road initiative.

>>63793872
This is true. If Ships dock at China zone in Pakistan and they build a railroad to transport goods from China directly to Pakistan, they would skip out on other places. The bigger this zone is built out, the more China has leverage against other nations in South/East Asian ports.

>>63792872
no it doesn't. You're fucking dumb as fuck.

>>63792098
Never heard of Chinese leaders going in doves to kiss a mosque in Pakistan

>>63792166
Debt deferral requires both sides of the loan to agree. More likely, they're essentially giving Pakistan the leeway on this because the pakis are investing the money they gain form deferred debt and interest right back into buying weapons from China, so the "lost" money is actually flowing right into their arms industry.

>>63792344
Fucking with India and effectively funneling the money into their own arms industry.

>>63792760
>itt, it's the "China can't innovate" myth
Daily reminder that China has been innovating more new technologies than the US for the last decade. Cope harder about the chinks improving on your stealth technology.

>>63796523
Sure thing wumao. Go invade Taiwan right now

>>63792058 (OP)
For all of China's tech advancement, you could still see its limitations in others

KJ-500 for example, despite being touted as having 3 powerful GaN AESA radar, is literally carried by a glorified An-12 because china didn't trust their C919 as a platform of which to carry the large radar dish

>>63796665
That's not the top of China's prioritizes tbf. Just a long-term one.

>>63800137
The C919 uses western engines, china won't use those for a fucking AWACS.
The WS-20 is now available, that will power future AWACS plattforms.

>>63792426
US defense industry needs to better at cybersecurity, this shit is embarrassing

I don't trust China to bolster a good long-term relationship with any nation. Short-term gains and influence, which become tension once they try to enhance their influence/price. Only a matter of time until one of those client states says "Fuck off" and China faces its first real military test.

>>63803081
>long-term
"Before Xi dies of old age or illness" is more accurate. You just know he wants to be the guy to fully unite China. They will definitely gonna try to invade Taiwan within this decade.

>>63792098
India is the most populous country.

>>63806860
>They will definitely gonna try to invade Taiwan within this decade
The only way that happens is if China notices the US got itself into some really deep shit elsewhere, and takes the opportunity. That's unlikely in the 2020s.

China will more likely try to take Taiwan decades from now. They want total technological independence and hegemony before that.

>>63806941
All of this assumed China acts completely rational in their approach. After monkes 2/22/2022 3 day special training operation I'm willing to think they can pull something retarded aswell.

>>63807313
>After monkes 2/22/2022 3 day special training operation I'm willing to think they can pull something retarded aswell.
This is precisely more reason why Xi Jinping WON'T invade Taiwan in his lifetime.
He can simply not do anything about Taiwan and would have his "legacy" in tact for overseeing China's technological and geopolitical rise. Risking failure with a botched or costly Taiwan invasion is going to ruin his legacy.
China has a whole slew of aims and ambitions before they go for Taiwan.

>>63806841
real mutt projections right here, lol

>>63809583
>He can simply not do anything about Taiwan and would have his "legacy" in tact for overseeing China's technological and geopolitical rise.
I don't think a Chinaman can be that humble. He will want to have more like Putin.

>>63809615
China has avoided a military war for 4 decades. Russia has fought one or multiple wars during each of those same decades.

>>63809624
That only reinforces my belief that the inevitable Chinese chimpout is drawing near.

>>63809852
Near but not that near. The guy who replaces Xi will be expected to do it as part of his own legacy.