Is a gun safe really worth it when you can just keep them in a locked plastic rifle case?

>>63792212 (OP)
>is it worth securing valuable items that are also weapons in something a criminal can't carry away by hand
Yes.
>but they can just pry open the safe
Not if you buy a good safe.
>but they can just carry the safe out
Not if it's bolted to the floor.
>but what if you can't bolt it to the floor
Stop being poor and spend your money on a house instead of toys.

>>63792212 (OP)
I don't have children and i have 5 locks to get through to get to my apartment (it was advertised as a feature), and thusly i have no safe, only cases.

I wish kim got a fraction of the art gwen does

You know, it's been a minute since John Doe posted anything worthwhile.

>>63792212 (OP)
Why didn't Kim Possible carry a gun while undertaking her spy missions

>>63792290
She wasn't 18 yet. Plus they keep sending to Islands. It's very sus. If she was to carry what do you think she would use? A PPK?

Main reason I bought a safe was humidity control. Depending where you live, guns rust easier in a case or bag.

>>63792212 (OP)
>locked plastic rifle case
enjoy rust

>>63792290

>>63792300
One of those KGB ones designed to be concealed in the anus

>>63792212 (OP)
One overlooked use case is probable cause.

If something happens at your home prompting a police response, common SOP is to do a safety sweep and secure any unsecured weapons. This doesn't involve prying open safes or locked cabinets, but any gun left out in the open or an unlocked gun case is liable to be confiscated.

I've seen three cases where this really backfired hard on the gun owner.
>Burglary
Owner away from home. Burglary happened, automatic alarm went off. Security patrol company and police responded. Police did sweep and found a Colt SP1.
Homeowner lives in CA and never registered it as an AW. When he came to the police to pick up his rifle he was charged and arrested.
>Domestic
Asian techie renting room in house. Homeowners are a bunch of violent crazy degenerates. Techie spends all his money on expensive gucchi guns and tolerates landlords because of cheap rent. Huge DV happens, neighbors call it in. Police sweep the whole house and find a fuckload of guns under techie's bed. Seize everything. Turns out some of it isn't compliant.
Techie who wasn't even involved in the original DV situation charged and arrested. Gives up guns, becomes nogunz4lyf in plea deal.
>Disturbance
Some idiot launching fireworks starts a fire. Police investigating it see open back door on house, assume it is involved somehow, homeowner isn't present. Sweep, find unsecured firearms.
Turns out homeowner not involved, firework idiot was somebody else, left sliding door open because it was a hot night. But by then all of his guns had already been "destroyed" because PD "didn't have room to store them".
Homeowner later gets investigated because one of the "destroyed" guns turned up at a crime scene.

All of those cases could have been prevented by a $100 stack on gun cabinet.

>>63792212 (OP)
Safes aren't to stop determined thieves, just opportunist burglars. A plastic case can easily be snatched and its lock cut, but if they want to steal my guns, they're going to have to bring a saw and spend a good 30 minutes carving it up. That time raises the bar of entry for anyone thinking about stealing from me and increases the risk to the point that the only people who'll do it are organised, experienced and motivated, which no security measure can stop. It also controls humidity to slow rusting this close to the beach and stops various critters from considering my stocks as a new home.

>>63792840
>experienced and motivated, which no security measure can stop
ive yet to see a method to bypass vibration sensor.
Even fucking thermal can be beaten but not that.

>>63792212 (OP)
>locked plastic rifle case?

Because I don’t want my guns rusty and easily stolen?

>>63792290
Better yet, why didn't any of the villains?
Would have been a really short show if Shego carried literally anything other than a nice ass.

>>63792224
Your safe is not immune to cops or criminals with crowbars and mallets. You likely can't afford a safe that is rated for power tools, its a potemkin solution to ease your anxieties.

>>63792979
>having your expensive shit in something that requires specialized tooling to break into is a potemkin solution
>much better to leave it in something that can be carried away by hand and opened with a pair of tin snips
Nothing is immune to someone truly determined. But it's better than just leaving shit out for grabs. You don't own guns, have the money to own guns, or live in a country where you can own guns. If you did you would understand this.

>>63792268
Read Questionably Possible by Skulltitti

>>63793258
Insurance can cover stolen guns. Mine does.

>>63792817
or by not living in fucking california lol

>>63793258
Ever heard of homeowners insurance? Also don't leave shit around, I guess the safe is a crutch for you if you feel like you'd leave your valuable shit out in the open like that. Nothing you can afford is going to stop a determined burglar, if you live in an area where breakins are common get a fucking security system you dunce. Most commercial safes are scams made to make poor idiots who don't know any better feel better, they are only really designed to keep kids out. If you were actually a homeowner maybe you'd argue about a house fire and thus having a fireproof safe would make some sense, but instead you want to feel better about a safe that likely does nothing but look cool and keeps young children out.

>>63792212 (OP)
Yes

>>63792224
these but also a safe has better climate control potential than just a plastic case. with a safe you can have power into it and golden rods, dehumidifiers etc.

also Shego was so fucking hot all the time, i remember one episode where Drax used mind control on her and it gave me a number of fetishes

>>63793654
At what point are the guns worth that level of treatment? Like I can understand that for extremely precious historical guns and NFA weapons but is that necessary otherwise?

>>63792212 (OP)
>Is a gun safe really worth it
No, never, but a REAL safe, installed correctly (utterly vital, an incorrectly installed safe loses a ton of its protection) might be worth it if you've got a house, have already attended to the basics of home security (not just criminal but environmental) and your funs collection is worth at least $20k.
>when you can just keep them in a locked plastic rifle case?
That might be good enough to stop little hands before they're ready, but it won't protect against anything a real safe will. Real safes are rated for a significant amount of time in a fire, under water, and power tool resistance. Most of us are more at risk of the former sorts of disasters, a house fire or flooding or a tornado or whatever depending on where you live.

If you've just got some cheap handguns and an AR then no definitely don't bother, total waste of money. If you don't have kids I wouldn't even bother with anything at all beyond decent places to hide them.

Honestly it's pretty much a self-answering question, if you've got enough value to be worth it you should probably have insurance covering them too, and insurance will demand proper security anyway as a condition of reasonable coverage, and the economics will be clear to you at that point.

>>63794162
nta, I'm >>63794226, but if you start getting into bigger calibers and ELR/PRS or the like it's not THAT hard (scarily) over a decade to end up with low to mid 5-figures worth. Also there's the chance you might buy a gun or two that end up being collector shit entirely unintentionally, which of course is how a lot of the best old collections began. You just thought it was a cool, did something interesting, and was decently priced, then a few years later the manufacturer stops making them, they get rediscovered, and within another few years the price has quadrupled. Of course you could just sell it at that point and use the money to get something cheap again and pocket/invest the difference but maybe you've gotten attached to it.

>>63792212 (OP)
Depends but in general yea
>Apartment cvckold currently
>3rd floor
>It's all stairs
>Can't bolt it down but carrying 600lbs of shifting weight down 3 floors of stairs is a multiple person, loud, time consuming operation
>Stuck a gps tag in the safe
It isn't foolproof but it definitely makes taking them in a smash and grab much more difficult and vastly increases the odds of them getting caught

>>63792979
No safe is immune to cops. Even if they don't get the code/key out of you, they do indeed have power tools, infinite time, and the law on their side.
Don't use that as an argument.

>>63794250
>>Can't bolt it down but carrying 600lbs of shifting weight down 3 floors of stairs is a multiple person, loud, time consuming operation
Honestly anon it's not, or at least it doesn't have to be. You're thinking (understandably) like a decent law abiding civilized person who cares about property. Any team of burglars would just wrap a rope around it out to their (probably stolen) car and yank the fucking thing right out of the building not giving a single shit about who noticed or what damage it did. 600 lbs is nothing. And that's assuming it's not a typical "gun safe" which is effectively sheet metal over drywall with some big fancy looking bolts on the door and can literally just be hacked into from the side with an axe.

Gun safes are big flashing "steal me I'm full of some of the most criminally desirable easily hocked valuables" signs. Every thief will take a real shot at one. Concealment is usually a better idea until you have enough value for a real safe.

Note: only talking effectiveness here, if you live somewhere where it's required by laws/lease then it is what it is.

>>63792212 (OP)
>keep them in a locked plastic rifle case?
Don't do that they will rust

>>63794563
>Don't do that they will rust
not op but eh, if you've got 'em properly protected they'll be ok for awhile, a long while if it's long term storage and you're good on grease. Could also just put in a bunch of desiccant.

>>63792212 (OP)
did they ever explain why Shego has energy hands?

Is this the Shego thread or what?

>>63792212 (OP)
So what do you think her asshole tastes like?

>>63794756
She was created before May 19, 1986 and so was legal at the time.

>>63792224
>twf have a Diebold Cashguard converted into a gun safe.
>yeah, it’s “medical cream” but I think that makes it look all the more hardcore

Most, and I do mean most “gun safes” that you can buy at firearms and outdoor retailers are utter garbage and will succumb to a prybar, drill, or angle grinder attack in less than a few min and don’t have a rating. If you can’t afford a Graffunder, find a used Diebold or other rated safe for $3-4k and never worry about it again.

>>63792976
Most of the villains didn't wanna kill anyone, they just wanted to take shit that belonged to other people.

>>63795043
Most gun safes will succumb to a 48"+ prybar given like 10 minutes.
Since 25% of burglaries involve <5 minutes spent inside the dwelling and 45% last for just 5-15 minutes, that's plenty.

Something that protects you from 70% of burglaries is hardly garbage.

>>63795390
>70% of the time it works every time

That’s a bad way to read the stats. What’s the average burglary duration when a strong box or safe is discovered? With or without a house alarm system? It’s multi variate.

>>63792212 (OP)
criminals dont want to spend forever breaking into something, safes waste their time, good locks waste their time, and the longer they have to spend and harder they have to try, the more they give up.

>>63792212 (OP)
Yes, if you own more than one gun and ever actually leave your mom's basement.
>butbutbut I need my gunz ready 24/7 in case Tyrone comes downstairs from tagteaming my mom...
I have more gunz than I can physically carry even in holdalls or a wheelbarrow so I have 2 gun safes for whichever gunz I'm not going out hunting or to the range with.
I'm in a white country town so breakins are unlikely but I can travel away for weeks without having to worry some random bored kid is going to break in and try to fuck with my other gunz.

>>63794756
Iirc there was a backstory that her whole family are Superheroes with various powers and she's the one who turns evil.

>>63794756
>>63795605
Yeah it turns out superheros exist in the setting.

And in the end of the show superpowered alien invaders, who Ron goes supersaiyan against and murks to save the day,

This thread is full of contrariant faggots who’re just the other side of the “my safe will protect my guns from everything” retard coin.

Ultimately nothing is going to stop a determined targeted robbery. Even actual rated safes are going to fail against a determined attack with enough time. But unless you have massively fucked up- don’t talk about your collection to randos- you are honestly never going to face an attack like that.

What you will most likely face is a 5-10 minute B&E where they’re going to grab whatever valuables are at hand and run. Even a shitty gun “safe” is going to provide plenty of protection in that scenario. Especially when paired with a security system, and placed smartly: hard to access with a vehicle, next to walls so it is hard to attack the sides, not located next to your power tools, ect.

>But do I really need a safe? Can’t I just hide my guns or do something else?
That’s on you to judge. Is your collection a mossman 500, a poverty pony lower with a PSA upper, and a Glock brand Glock? Then fine sure, go for it. Chances are a burglar won’t find all three and they’re easily replaced.

Do you own more than 6 or 7 guns? Are some of them actually valuable and or unique? You should probably get a safe. Personally even with a 2,100 sqft house I’d have a hard time finding extremely secure hiding spots for more than 5.

And again, a safe isn’t the end all be all of your security. You should be practicing good opsec, using a security system, and properly emplacing your “safe”

>>63793578
>home owners insurance
Typically will only cover up to $2500 total. Yes you can purchase additional coverage, but a lot of companies will then require you to provide serial numbers, make, and model. Even then, good luck arguing with adjusters if you have special rifles, they’re going to have a hard time telling apart a PSA AR and a Noveske that’s cost more than three times the price.

>>63795438
>it’s multi variable
>so better to just have no “safe” at all if you’re not installing a multi thousand dollar safe
You’re a dumb gorilla nigger. Objectively speaking, if you have a collection worth anything over a few thousand even a $600 “safe” is worth having when paired with a security system. Anything that will take more than a few minutes to open and can’t be readily moved is going to provide enough protection to justify the cost.

>>63795056
Wait, Drakken's a communist?

>>63796145
Communists kill alot of people

>>63792979
No secure is immune to everything, don't be ridiculous.

Security doesn't create invulnerability, it creates delay and difficulty. Most thieves are retarded opportunists so even a most amount of delay and difficulty is a very large deterrent to them.

>>63794377
Why do people invent these wild and sensational burglary scenarios? Its irrational. Learn to risk assessment. This anon >>63794226 so far is the only reasonable person itt

>>63796448
>posters are obsessed with wild and sensational home invasions
This is a gun thread on a weapons forum.

Any opinions on Gagala and PhillipThe2 on KP smut? And to answer OP's question, depends on where you live, and if you want the peace of mind.

>>63796448
>Why do people invent these wild and sensational burglary scenarios?
lol at you thinking that's remotely wild and sensational with from your deep knowledge of your comfy safe suburb life. I'm talking completely normal stuff. Simply stealing an entire safe then breaking in at one's leisure would be criminal "best practice" not odd. Criminals not only don't care about smashing a place up most of them enjoy it, and a few motivated fit young dudes with straps can move very heavy shit in a hurry. Burglars will almost ALWAYS take a shot at a gun safe or at least take note of it, repeat robberies of the same property are common. Guns are by far some of the most desirable theft items, they can be easily liquidated for high value with a vibrant black market, they are directly useful, they are compact stores of value. Almost nothing is as good a theft find except cold hard cash.

Like shit, you think I'm joking about lots of gun safes with "thick doors and walls and look at these big bolts!!" being sheet metal and drywall you can hack open with an axe or pry right open? I'm not.

>>63796683
>repeat robberies of the same property are common.
You live in a shithole lmao

>>63795390

>>63795043
Is me.

Eh, you do you. I know most burglars are looking for a quick grab of electronics, jewelry, and tools from the garage in less than 10 min. However, in my younger days, I lived in a crappy apartment complex in a crappy part of town to save money after college. Someone cased my place and it ended up in an incident.


I’ll never forget that and even though I live in a much much nicer part of town, someone in my neighborhood had their house cleaned out while they were on vacation. Neighbors thought the guys and vans backing up to the garage were remodeling contractors. I don’t live on that street, so I wasn’t aware until after. They had/have a graffunder, and it was chewed up, but they didn’t get in. If they had an acetylene torch, they might’ve got in, but it looked like angle grinder attacks, pry bar, among other power tools.

I know, not common at all, and 99.9% of people will never experience a burglary like that. But that’s not why people buy insurance. It’s for that .01

>>63796673
I wish Gagala would branch out and try some wilder stuff as far as proportions are concerned. I dunno, maybe psuedo-hyper has ruined my perception of things.
As for PhillipThe2, the stuff he makes with Gagala's work files is cool I guess.

>>63796938
1) If you don't live somewhere burglaries happen, why the fuck would you worry about a gun safe in the first place?

2) That burglarized homes are at increased short term risk of getting hit again is well studied and well known dude, look at FBI stats or wherever else. And I mean "wherever" it's not some unique US thing either, like here's a recent study from maplestan:
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11661938/
If thieves have hit your home, now they know the layout, their entry/escape points for more efficiency, they know what's there and anything they had to leave the first time, they feel more confident because they got away with it once, they may know they damage points of entry breaking in the first time, in many cases victims will immediately replace stuff via insurance with new things to steal, and they know a lot of victims be in shock and will think
>"oh I got robbed that was awful but now they'll go somewhere else since they'd be scared to go to the same place again so soon!"
WRONG.

What is the most board-relevant /k/artoon?

>>63797486
Gunsmith Cats kinda takes the cake.

>>63797486
GSC, but you’d know that if you weren’t a fag.

>>63797479
>>63796683
>muh repeat robberies
You act like you can’t improve your home security if your house gets hit. If your house has been robbed once, yes upgrading to an actual safe should probably be a serious consideration. But it’s not really an argument against using a “gun safe”- with a proper security system- for most people.

>>63797117
Honestly an attack like that can again be mitigated with a security system which are pretty dirt cheap these days. You can even home roll your own for around a $1,000 and it will do you just as much- if not more- good than a $5k safe.

>>63797516
>>63797519
To be fair to him, GSC is an anime not a cartoon. Also if you’re extending it out to anime you can start making arguments for Black Lagoon, Jormugand, Full Metal Panic, ect.

>>63797516
>>63797519
Anime aren't cartoons, why there's two different boards for them.

>>63797584
>>63797589

>>63797600
That boy ain't right

>>63792224
FPBP

>>63797573
>You act like you can’t improve your home security if your house gets hit
No I don't act like that. But most normal people won't, or rather, they won't immediately. Sure they might call a contractor to schedule something for later in the year but not have it buttoned up two days later. Criminals know this. As I said (and you'd know if you knew anything about this) this is SHORT term, long term there's no statistical increased risk. But them coming right back within a few days to a week? Yes. This is simply objective fact.
>But it’s not really an argument against using a “gun safe”- with a proper security system- for most people.
Yeah it is because the gun safe is simultaneously a theft magnet and ineffective, so far worse then spending that money on proper general home security. Most people don't have a decent secure door even for example. Spend the $600 on that.
>Honestly an attack like that can again be mitigated with a security system which are pretty dirt cheap these days. You can even home roll your own for around a $1,000 and it will do you just as much- if not more- good than a $5k safe.
So first, no those won't do as much as a good safe, since the safe will protect against fire and flooding as well. But second the same argument is even more true vs a $600 sheet metal scambox. Just do normal physical security, which everyone absolutely should do.

>>63792212 (OP)
People don't seem to remember that the actual point of putting anything in a safe is to protect it from fires.

>>63797516
I hate that this anime jerks off the CZ-75 as some sort of super-god-pistol when it's a piece of shit with more machining marks than a ruger.

>>63796448
>Why do people invent these wild and sensational burglary scenarios
Because niggers made the scenarios real

>>63798148
>Expecting japs to know guns

>>63792212 (OP)
Shego was the best

>>63798250
Ron's asian ninja chick was hotter

>>63798148
How boomers in America jerk off the 1911 boomers in Europe jerk off the CZ-75. That said I'd rather have a CZ-75 myself.

>>63797584
>Gunsmith cats
Lesbianism, fagshit
>Jormungand
Lesbianism and anti war anti fighting hippie shit, fagshit
>Full metal panic
I don't remember it being gay however the MC didn't do his duty and impregnate the annoying main girl, BANNED
>Black lagoon
Turbo gay shadow the edgehog troonshit

All could have been perfect if their writers weren't at their hearts bugslaves.

>>63798250
>>63798257
You're both wrong. It was Bonnie. That little brat was made for correction.

>>63798997
They do get together in the end, and have kids by the time of a follow up novel

>>63798148
When GSC was made the Cz75 was the new high-capacity 'wonder-nine' when the rest of Europe only had the HP35 or small-calibre pre-WW2 pocket-pistols.
E.g. Bundeswehr was still using 8-shot P38/P1s, and all the Polizei were using .32 or the 'mighty' .38Kurz.
>and /ourgirl/ hates the GayTF more than most doggos

Common overlooked use of a gun safe is added protective factors in related to individuals experiencing suicidal thoughts or worse yet intent. Yeah yeah don't give me the excuses, it's a realistic concern and completely valid. I've read enough threads over the years and seen enough people in a crisis that adding time and making access more difficult can often be the difference. Suicidal thoughts and plans are often temporary, but if you mix ideation, intent, access, planning, and even substances or other external factors someone can make a implulsive choice they can't take back. Time and access are two factors that can be controlled and just solving one of those two things can be all that's needed.

>>63799127
A man should be able to kill himself whenever he wants. Don’t litigate otherwise.

>>63792268
They’re used to be a lot of incest and futa incest with Kim

https://arma15.com/

I use this. Can recommend.

>>63793267
...That's a penis

for me, it's Gagala

>>63801194
Read this as galaga and thought “is there some character in a galaga sequel I didn’t know about?” I used to love playing galaga

>board full of people who carry guns for defense even though it's statistically unlikely they'll ever need one
>the same people are arguing that any safe that can be defeated by a 105iq burglar with a few friends and a few stolen tools is useless
>the same people completely ignore the fact that the most likely burglary is a quick and low-skill attack by people who are basically animals

/k/ you guys are fucking retarded. By the flawless logic exhibited in this thread your CC is useless because you might go up against a guy with the right armor and better skills than you, or even just better luck than you. It's all statistics. Aww no your $5,000 safe can't keep me out if I bring my plasma cutter and jackhammer with me? IT'S TOTALLY USELESS!!!!!! A $200 lock box is better than nothing and will protect you in a majority of break ins, a $1000 safe is better than that, etc. There are diminishing returns like anything else. Even a reinforced vault room in your new custom poured concrete bunker of a house can be broken into by someone with enough time and tools.

>>63793547
>he thinks that not living in CA means his cops aren't gungrabbing scum
kek
They'll still seize and "destroy" (add to some officer's personal collection) your guns if they have the chance.

>>63792212 (OP)
safes are generally too heavy or affixed to the structure so that it is not worth the criminal's effort to crack open or steal the safe.

>>63792817
locked cases (or even just closed soft cases) are generally not going to be confiscated in your example. Especially if it doesn't say "FIREARM BRAND".

also cops don't know the law they enforce so you're going to need a lawyer to sue for your shit back.

>>63793267
>off model, off style
disgusting

Don't you have any certifications for safes? In Germany safes are mandatory for gun storage, they have to have a type certificate that they can withstand opening attempts for a normed amount of time (this is somewhat secret and stated in an arbitrary "resistance unit") against mechanical (hammer), electrical (angle grinder or something) and thermal (gas welding?) until you can get a hand inside and until the safe is fully open.
Safe in the picture is ~950€/1080$, seems to be same size as the bigger US safes I've seen in pictures, so I'm really wondering why you have to pay 3k$ or more, like >>63795043 says

>>63801729
>Don't you have any certifications for safes?
Of course we do, extensively. UL covers it. Any real safe has 'em, you can pick how much protection you want/need. But meeting even the lowest standard costs a lot more money then pretending. Real safes are also very heavy, since protection basically comes down to "use lots of steel and concrete and then build to very tight tolerances so there are no gaps". That can make the more expensive to install and impossible on some floors of many buildings if they're not rated for the weight. So there is a big market for "gun safes" that aren't real safes.

Though worth mentioning for anyone who actually cares: those same factors can mean that you can get one for a song if you keep an eye out, because it's stupid expensive for a normal person to ship privately (the companies have serious freight contracts and can amortize it). If you've got or are willing to rent a trailer, and then you can get some buddies/neighbors to help and use your tractor or whatever to get it into your basement (obviously have prep done and measure very carefully and/or do it during a remodel), you can do it for like literally 70-80% less, or more. It's like, I dunno, server racks, which are fundamentally just big hunks of powder coated steel. They cost so much to ship it's basically impossible to sell except locally, but there isn't much local demand either, and a lot of places are just looking to clear the space. I got a great $1850 server rack for my selfhosting for $150 cash on the table so long as I brought my own pickup. Big real safes can be like that, if some place is looking to get rid of it you can negotiate to some small minor multiplier of the scrap metal value.

>>63801729
>...certifications for safes? In Germany...
would not be an international website without germans bragging about regulations.

>>63801729
>this is somewhat secret and stated in an arbitrary "resistance unit"
so kraut bullshit basically? In the US for serious stuff we have Underwriters Laboratory, safes are covered iirc under the UL 687, and then the insurance industry also has lesser "construction ratings" from B-rate (lowest) to E-rate, ER and high requires a UL rating. The bottom tier UL 687 class is TL-15, and that requires 1.5" thick A-36 plate steel or better for the door and 1" thick plate for the 5 walls, then another sheet for the lining. TL-15 is the bare minimum rating for anything significant a company or the government is doing, like DEA storing drugs or GSA storing secure documents. There's fire resistance ratings, drop testing, etc as well. It's not secret, in fact it's fun going and watching some youtube videos of testing and trying to break in, it's pretty cool.

FWIW the B-rate, the bare minimum for an insurer to consider a container a "safe" at all, is 1/4" thick walls with 1/2" door. And they're going to heavily cap your insured value at that too. But most "gun safes" are like 12 gauge sheet steel so they don't even come close to meeting that low standard.

>>63801893
>so kraut bullshit basically
As far as I could determine, there is a real time frame attached to the unit, but it isn't public so robbers can't use it for planning. But the unit itself can be used as comparison between different safes
The rest of the norm is in a public standardization document

>>63801824
Yeah, same with the resale value here

>>63801782
Nice schizopost

I have to store mine in a safe where I live and it's not seen as an undefeatable thing. It's just to keep them from casual access, same as the requirement the safe is somewhat concealed and not out in the open. Yes there is a construction standard they have to meet but any determined thief will get them given time and tools and that's understood. It's about reasonable precautions. Not telling everyone where you live and that you have them is also important.

>>63802406
>It's just to keep them from casual access
point is you can do that with a lock on a closet or simple tool chest though for a fraction of the money

>>63801071
I know, so hot

>>63798148
>machining.marks
k
Nobody gives a shit, its only really visible on the inside of the gun, Did you know AR15s can have a fair bit of slop between the upper and lower receivers unless you're buying a high dollar one?
Jeff cooper called ithe CZ75 a great handgun, and it's been used in competitions ever since.

>>63801729
>>63801893
What certificate level is necessary by what gun collection value? What rating would be necessary for keeping KP out?

>>63802925
>What certificate level is necessary by what gun collection value?
Honestly that's probably a question you'd ask your insurance agency, and it'll totally depend on other aspects of your situation, like what your house is like and where you live. Gotta just use your brain at some point anon.

>>63792212 (OP)
Until your collection crosses the $10k mark, absolutely not. Gun safes at that point should only be purchased to meet the bare minimum storage requirements, if applicable, and discourage smash and grabs. A locking cabinet is just as good as a cheap safe. A cabinet is also preferable to individual cases just because it's not as portable. Locked case is just as easily carried off as a gun itself.

Once you cross the ~$10k-15k mark you get into a place where a safe might be worth considering. Do not buy a cheap safe, and do not buy a safe that costs more than your entire collection.

>>63802948
>Do not buy a cheap safe, and do not buy a safe that costs more than your entire collection.
Only addition I'd make is take into account personal value not just market value. If it's your deceased grandfather's gun with his initials from the war carved in and lots of important memories then even if it's all beat up and common would still suck to lose it. I had a friend who was burglarized and the stuff he was angriest about wasn't a few really expensive things because they could be replaced with insurance money, it was some stuff that wasn't even worth much of anything that got pawned for a few bucks but it was worth a lot to him.

A classic blunder, making the OP image more interesting than the post

>>63803282
The lesbian shippers are particularly obsessive when it comes to this series

>>63803282
whoa, where do I get more of the one on the left?

>>63803368
good