Thread 63793776

First leaked pic of J-36's front view

Is this planes operational doctrine to never be below 60k feet or am I missing something.

Stealth F-111

>>63793776 (OP)
Why he squinting?

>>63793808
Don't be rude anon, they just look like that

>>63793776 (OP)
I don't like the way it's looking at me

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There's no way that intake is shaped the way I think it is. They cant be that fucking stupid

>>63793776 (OP)
honestly, this seems like the first cool plane China has designed, just from an aesthetics pov.
good job chinks

>>63793776 (OP)
>Two HUDs

>>63793828
You should call China and ask them to hire you.

>>63793828
Having a third engine in the first place was clearly a compromise, so the design of the intake could very well have just been an afterthought.
At the very least it is S-ducted, which is more than can be said for certain other nations' attempts at stealth aircraft.
>>63793847
If the plane is supposed to be flyable from both seats, then why not?

>>63793828
It has DSI, but due to the potato quality the bump is not noticeable from that angle

>>63793776 (OP)
Sexy as fuck, good job pooh bear. I hope we get top views of the J-50 soon

>>63793776 (OP)
Does the canopy even open or do they get in like Su-34's. Also does It have a full canopy ejection capsule like the F-111?

Implessive

>>63793776 (OP)
Based

>>63794063
>Having a third engine in the first place was clearly a compromise

Yep. They cant into VCE/ACE, so this is their solution. Every piece of cold war thought experiments and calculations have shown a different, third engine for high bypass is not worth the weight. Maybe its marginally better nowadays, but it wont be anywhere near VCE/ACE.

>>63793776 (OP)
Su-34 body kit

>>63794293
*Tailess

>>63794293
>>63794328
& Knuckles

>>63793815
heh

>>63793776 (OP)
Su-34 clone impressive

>>63793776 (OP)
That top intake is goofy as hell lmao
Would probably cut a nice silhouette if they didn't need three engines.
I can see why they're so reluctant to release any photos.

>>63794280
>a different, third engine for high bypass is not worth the weight
It's not a different engine. It's three of the same because they couldn't hit their performance/reliability targets with just two.

>>63794423
Couldn't fit cruise profile/payload with two,
And it was easier to use 3 existing engines than develop a brand new larger/more thrust.

I've done a handful of high level designs for fun of what it would take to make a 2000 mile capable single seater barebones plane from either the largest commercially available hobby jet engines or an "off the shelf" engine i.e. from a citation or honda and the answer, within a set budget, was always to use more small engines. Rocket equation kinda applies to planes too, yeah?

Fun fact the 2100 mile capable with 8% reserve design defined three small jets modified with afterburner, needed to be 89% fuel at MTOW and needed 80% the runway space of a 737.
I wish I was rich.

>>63794472
I mean, it's kinda common sense that running more engines less hard will give you efficiency/reliability gains over trying to squeeze the same performance out of just two.
Not really a concern for a country that can build reliable enough, high power engines in large quantities, but China is not that country.

>>63793828
you're clearly a lot more fucking stupid than you thought, cletus.

>>63794526
Hi Hapanda

>>63793776 (OP)
If that thing is stealth I'll suck a fat fucking dick.

>>63794821
Stealth isn't an all or nothing thing. Its a spectrum where your position is dictated by how many RCS reducing/low observability features you can include in your design.

I think the intended role of this plane is to penetrate just far enough into a fleet’s AD umbrella to launch very-long range missiles against AWACS, spending the absolute minimum amount of time in the danger zone. It’ll stay above the AWACS so its huge top inlet won’t be seen. They can’t achieve stealth, but if they can poke their noses in just enough with very long-range AAMs they can bag strategic aircraft critical to US air operations.

>>63794896
No, it’s basically all or nothing, not a sliding scale. Once you push return reduction past a certain point you achieve "stealth" or very low observable. If you’re just a little bit above that threshold a radar will easily filter your signal out from the background, and only struggle at the fringes of its useful range. LO isn’t useless because you’ll still be able to penetrate past the fringes of detection range (which can be quite wide) but to you need VLO if you want to fly past a powerful radar 10km away without it not being able to filter you from the background.

>>63793776 (OP)
The front looks like a widened Su-57.

>>63793776 (OP)
But will it have a toilet, meal heater and space for a bed like the SU-34?

>>63794925
>no it's not a sliding scale
>proceeds to describe how it is a sliding scale

|-not stealth---------LO-----------VLO-|

there's your spectrum

>>63794964
I was thinking it's almost B-1 esque

>>63794263
did they really just put an engine where the flanker's buttplug usually is and call it a day?

>>63794988
None - - LO - - - - - - - - - VLO - - Invisible

>>63793776 (OP)
>side-by-side
>looks like a straight duct

>>63794423
Oh thats just fuckin pathetic lmao

>>63795021
>None - - LO - - - - - - - - - VLO - - Invisible
Probably more accurate than mine, but still a spectrum rather than discrete states.

This is a high alitude, high speed, long range, air-to-air plattform, not a bomber.
Source: US DoD public statements.
I mean you can drop bombs from everything if you want to, but primarily this will lob 400-600km ranged PL-17 and bigger missiles.

>>63795151
A high altitude, high speed, long range, air-to-air platform also makes for a highly capable strike aircraft. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they intended it to carry AShMs of some kind as well.
Ultimately, a missile's a missile.

>>63793776 (OP)
Vely impleassive. Vely chink khu lung

>>63795049
far cheaper and faster than developing a new engine

>>63795375
Especially since it took them decades just to get to where they are now. Maybe they'll do a Super Hornet/Strike Eagle-esque redesign in 20 years and make a two engine version.

>>63793794
it's obviously designed to fly high and fast, yes.

>>63795151
it'll certainly have long-range strike roles with albm and cruise missiles.

>>63794903
>It’ll stay above the AWACS so its huge top inlet won’t be seen
Yeah that makes sense because the earth is flat, good thinking

>>63793776 (OP)
>leaked
implesiv

>>63795302
Why would the chinese waste their peak A2A plattform lobbing two AShMs?
They have shittons of highly capable land based AShMs and if they want to lob airborne ones shitty old H-6 can do it.
Nah this thing was build to nuke AWACS and tankers from untouchable ranges.

>>63795623
The earth being convex round actually helps, since you'd expose more of your belly at a distance, not your top.

Now, if the earth was convex round, like a ringworld, an AWACS would see more of the top of an aircraft.

>>63793776 (OP)
IMPLESSIVE

Okay, so what are we thinking about that middle engine with the huge intake? Is it supposed to be a high-bypass engine to carry the plane at high altitude at maximum fuel efficiency? It’s safe to say that variable-cycle engine tech is beyond China, so is this simply a compromise to allow the plane to take-off well inland and have the legs to take into into contested airspace?

>>63795684
That intake isn't that massive, it's the shit photo quality and lighting that doesn't let you see the DSI bump:>>63794081

>>63795651
>Why would the chinese waste their peak A2A plattform lobbing two AShMs?
Because it can fly a lot faster and get a hell of a lot closer to a CSG without being seen compared to a shitty old H-6. Minimizes the chance it's payload can be intercepted. If they manage to build these in substantial numbers the math might work out to sacrifice one to maximize their chances of sinking a carrier.

>>63795692
>That intake isn't that massive
I mean, its practically the size of a second cockpit sticking way out above the aircraft. Sorry, anon. It's clearly a compromise and it looks butt fucking ugly to boot.

>>63795623
Wow, an actual retard

>>63793828
if like >>63793794 says, the plane is supposed to be above everything else, then the shape won't matter as it will never be scanned from above or even the front

>>63795803
You're hurting the feeling of the chinese people

>>63795669
Fuck, the second convex should be concave.

>>63793776 (OP)
As we got more pics from both prototypes, the J-50 is turning out to be the leaner and attractive plane...

>>63795383
>2 engine redesign
probably working on it now, but in order to field something quickly, say for an invasion of taiwan in a couple years, they went with the engines they had on hand now...

>>63794341
>agrandlaugh.jpg

>>63793776 (OP)
>get less and less cool looking in every subsequent leaks.

>>63795995
The entire opposite of the J-50: >>63795856

>>63796017
>this turd looks better than this turd
lol

>>63796018
Where's the F-47 to compare?

>>63795651
the closer you can get to a defended target when you launch a missile, the harder it is to intercept.

>>63795995
i think it looks better; not as much a flying triangle and more organic looking.

>>63793776 (OP)
>>63793828
>>63794404
>>63795684

looks like a good boy>>63793776 (OP)

This might be a dumb question but why did they include a 3rd intake? Since the middle engine is probably only going to be used at high altitudes where the other 2 can't operate reliably, why not just divert the flow of air to the middle engine and do away with the goofy 3rd intake ?

>>63796147
oh my god it looks like the fucking homer

>>63796147
I....I like it...I would buy a model of it.

Implessive

Russians were talking about how Chinese drones were toy grade and not rugged because they did not have any idea of small things that matter during war. Surely the Chinese know of this limitation and would likely push for a war to test their toys, i.e go down the American route.

>>63795965
+1s

>>63796223
nato name should be hunchback

>>63796147
Codename: FATBAT

>>63796574
Wouldn’t trust anything Russians say about war.

>>63796213
>Since the middle engine is probably only going to be used at high altitudes where the other 2 can't operate reliably
It's 3 of the same engine. Not different ones for different flight regimes. They couldn't get the performance they needed from two without pushing them so hard they burn up like a MiG-25, so they added a third. It's that simple.

damn I can't wait to see the chinese fight
its going to be a rude awakening for westcucks

>>63797191
kek

>>63797228
The worst Russian lie is still truthful than the most honest Chinese Communist.
The Chinese Communist is a vile and demonic creature.

>>63797235
Yeah. I'm dreading it, but hopefully it's the kick in the ass we need to reawaken as a people.

>>63793776 (OP)
Stealth long range high altitude bomber (or swarm drone deployment, who knows)

>>63794991
My theory is that it's been hypothesized that Gen 6 is going to have variable-cycle engines to be fit for a wide variety of flight regimes. But since the chinks can't into engines, they'll just use a third engine that's optimized differently than the other two.

>>63796574
I read that article too, and you’re full of shit. They were buying hobby drone parts.

>>63795021
>Invisible
No such thing.

>>63796574
Weren't they being slaughtered by the thousands by off-the-shelf chinkshit drones?

Implessive

>>63797649
That's not the situation with the J-36 but I agree that a true sixth-generation of combat aircraft should involve very high speeds, energy weapons and hopefully suborbital capabilities.

>>63797962
>No such thing as invisibility
How would you be able to tell?

>>63798668
So the MiG-31 is a 6th gen then?