>new XL Marichkas have ~2km operational range
So are these preprogrammed with AI for last mile or something? Is there any real way of jamming or reliably detecting these things? Particularly at low alertness/readiness levels.
Are they going to hit the Pacific or Arctic fleet with these?
If the specs are legit these things are a huge threat. Literally any generic container ship could conceal and deploy them, from 2km away they could be launched out of sight of any land or other ship. I wonder if they could even be idled and reactivated like a mine with way more mobility and lethality. If we start seeing these developed and deployed at scale how hard do naval ops, especially landings get? Imagine the Taiwan straits full of these things, and every hit is ~1,000 Chinese family lines extinguished.

>>63803850 (OP)
>2km
I meant 2kkm.

>>63803852
2 kilo-kilometers?

>>63803878
yes. 2,000 kilometers. or 22,000 football fields for the Americans.

>>63803884
woah is that a FOOTBALL FIELD joke? I haven't seen one of these in ages, usually your-a-peons are too busy with healthcare jokes these days

>>63803884
>22,000 football fields
How many bushels of ham is that

>>63804105
several

>>63803907
I'm actually American. I just find it funny. But really, these things are possibly an even crazier cost:effect ratio than the containerized drone carriers. They managed to hit the Crimean bridge with one and those are probably the most heavily monitored waters in Russia. Theories are that they used 3 of them and used the first two to break the defensive barriers or distract defenses. These are at most a couple hundred thousand dollars and they can easily threaten multibillion dollar assets.

>>63804105
I forget, how many rods are in a fahrenheit?

>>63803850 (OP)
>Literally any generic container ship could conceal and deploy them,...
Technically a war crime. But since it's Ukraine, the media will overlook that one.

As for your question, they will surface at pre-arranged coordinates and utilize video feed for remote control on terminal. More sophisticated types will rely on passive sonar to find their targets (passive can differentiate between ships).

Ukraine will likely try to hit Russian and North Korea warships in the Pacific with them.

>>63804467
Not any more of a 'war crime' than concealing arms on the Lusitania to run a blockade while claiming Germans were killing innocent civilians for no reason. Countries have always done fucky stuff like this, many when not in a position even 1% as bad as Ukraine's.

>>63804472
Of course. I'm just not a fan of launching attacks from unmarked vessels, mostly because it leads to everyone potentially doing it.

>>63804479
the entire relative naval peace of the post WWII world was inevitably going to break down eventually. this is one of the funnier ways for it to happen. Even then it's like, how do you actually inspect all of these ships out at sea, with small coast guard sized ships? When you can turn any old tub into a drone carrier and launch munitions accurate enough to smack a bridge pylon at 2,000km what do you even do with a navy? Of course boomers still have a role and navies on the move will be hard to hit with these things but anything sitting in port will be very vulnerable.

>>63804504
I think we should look at torpedo boats and how they were dealt with in their day for inspiration.

>>63804467
>Technically a war crime
My friend, it's a special military operation misdemeanor

>Are they going to hit the Pacific or Arctic fleet with these?
That would be pure showboating.

>>63804479
Just hoist the naval flag or the jolly roger before you launch them.

>>63804479
At this point you just have to accept that you can be attacked from any vessel. BVR, there's no difference between the ship hoisting a flag or not. Hell, BVR you likely can't tell between a warship at EMCON and a cargo vessel, and if they get targeting data from offboard systems, you won't even know they're shooting until the missiles come over the horizon, and when they do, they might have been doglegged at that.
Same applies here, the Ukrainians could very well have hoisted a flag temporarily, or they could launch the thing from the coastline, or from a tugboat, or whatever platform, it literally makes 0 difference given that you won't know you're being shot at until you hear it coming at you, at which point it could've navigated via any number of waypoints, so you can't ID what launched it.

>>63804683
The simple fix is that people just use military livery for their launch platforms. This increases the risk that they're detected and hit, but that risk should be inherent in warfare. It's not all that hard to paint up your boghammer with the markings of your military and then roll off the munitions; if you can't get closer to the target because of this, you then just use longer ranged munitions.

When rules of warfare start breaking down, it ends up a mess, and civilians start being caught up in the fighting to a far greater extent between nation states.

Of course one can say what about submarines, as it's impossible to get visual identification on them. Well, you can assumed that a torpedo hit was from an enemy sub; there's no civilian subs capable of launching torpedoes. If cargo vessels are rolling off torpedoes (drone torpedoes are just torpedoes), or launching missiles, then one must assume all cargo vessels from the enemy nation are combatants.

>>63804187
like, at least 37 touchdowns

>>63803884
How many Empire State Buildings is that THOUGH?

>>63804846
The laws of war are fairly straightforward in the case. You can sail under false flags as long as you show your true colours before opening fire.
WW1 had a lot of action that way with German ships like the Seeadler or British Q-ships.

>>63803850 (OP)
How much does it cost in US eggs?

>>63803852
It's Megametre or Mm.

>>63803850 (OP)
Marichka's XL torpedo

If the Turkish straits were re-opened for warships, would Russia move ships in or out?

>>63803884
That’s a lot of football

>>63804938
Out is allowed, but tehy won't be able to return back

>>63804924
Remenber when Taco Bell had theri XXL burrito and you could get one for 4.50 in 2017.

>>63803884
>2,000 kilometers
You have this wonderful metric prefix system and you utterly refuse to use it
I hate you so fucking much
regards,
user of megameters and gigameters in Aurora 4x

>>63804938
Definitely. Ukies only moved russians back, they don't control the entire Black Sea. Russians would gladly take the risk to have a few more missile launch platforms available.

>>63804924

>>63804479
War crime is an outdated concept. The age of nationalism has come and gone, replaced by even more confrontational ideologies that each see themselves in the terminal phase of existential struggle. There is no desire for reconciliation that would create the need to forbid certain acts of war. In both political and military conflicts, it has become disturbingly common for neither side to have any sort of design for their opponents in the event of victory; it is implicit that they will simply no longer exist whether that is in the sense of total disenfranchisement or literal removal. Russia and Ukraine, regardless of what the real stakes may be, both present this war as one for survival, where failure will guarantee the total control of a larger foreign entity over the future of their people. This is an age old cliche but in modern times we see the effects of its derangement in ways concentrated by the information age. There will be no boundaries in war, it is already visceral and personal in ways it has not been since before the medieval period. There's always a new war on and most of them are wars of extermination rather than territorial disputes. You're going to see weaponized ferries and bulk carriers in our lifespan. Drones may or may not be the language of direct attack for long, but certain aspects of theirs I guarantee will endure in the next generation of weapons; the one most of all being the camera. The live blogging of body counts and sucker punches to enemy hardware, the nightly drip feed of gotcha moments and debasement of the enemy that justify even the most transgressive strategies. It was only ever fancy that perfidy was forbidden anyway, something for winners to foist over losers, but now even that is gone because the victors won't be seeing you in court, they will hope with all their might that you quietly assimilate or otherwise conveniently cease to be. That apathy is the most consistent precursor to genocide in history.

>>63805171
Version that didn't get compressed by some dumb phoneposter

>>63805002
I'm still salty decimeters isn't used.
There's just this giant gap between centimeters and meters that makes measuring human-scale objects a pain in the ass.

Imperial:
>Yard <- Foot <- Inch
Metric:
>Meter <- ??? <- Centimeter
And it fucking SUCKS because decimeters are the perfect substitute for feet. Legit the length of your palm, perfect for eyeballing measurements the same way Americans use their feet for eyeballing measurements.
Call 'em hands instead of feet. Americans would adopt the metric system tomorrow. But no, you gotta measure shit using the length of your fingernail with centimeters.
Shit sucks. Fuck euros for skipping decimeters.

>>63805901
>He is incapable of dividing a cm value by ten in his mind

>>63805926
Why even have this shit at all then if you're just gonna skip over literal factors of 10.
Why measure things in centimeters when you can just measure things in millimeters. "Durr, just divide a cm value by 10 in your mind, centimeters are so pointless."

>>63805901
The fuck are you talking about, everyone uses decimeter when applicable?
Or is it a just a Northern Europe thing?
.t Northern Yuro

Why haven't they attacked the Baltic fleet?
They should be able to move small ships through the Danube-Rhine connection.

>>63806194
All my European friends say the decimeter is never used in common speech. Everything is either measured in centimeters or meters.
None of them are northern Euros though. If Northern Euros use decimeters in common speech, then it's just another reason why Northern Europe is superior to the rest of Europe.
T. Amerifat

>>63805378
I feel like Buhanka-Chan should not be abused too much; she is one of the things that we might want to seize as reparations after the war.

>>63803907
hoes mad lmao

>>63805901
I liked to confound my collage professors with hands, cubits and spans. Along with using comic sans and writing 'author unknowable' when i quoted God from the bible it gave me a really good way to determine if they were cool or not.

>>63805964
area between 1 and ~10 feet is huge enough IRL that americans have to get retarded unmultipliable inches appended to everything that needs more than fuck off precision.
same logic with dm. The base unit is meter. If you are at "4 or 5 decimeters" territory, then you normally want a higher precision than +/- 1 dm, which cm provide.

>>63805964
>Why measure things in centimeters when you can just measure things in millimeters
normal people dont do that?
t.metalworker

>>63806300
>unmultipliable inches appended to everything that needs more than fuck off precision.
But that's the thing, I want something in metric I can use for fuck off precision. Decimeters is the perfect size for fuck off precision. Centimeters are too small, and meters are too big. "About 3 decimeters" is way more convenient than "30 centimeters" or "0.3 meters". It's a big, fat, single digit number, which is satisfying for fuck off measurements.
If we had that nice fuck off measurement, metrification might've actually worked in the 1980s.

>>63806309
Normal people don't use mm for anything larger than 2cm.

>>63806396
mm is the most satisfying small measurement for Americans, who would otherwise have to measure things in fractions of an inch, which is actual, literal cancer to do.
There's a reason we measure gun calibers in mm

>>63806396
And engineers use it for everything, because it sucks to get units wrong. Yes this thing is 68000mm tall, deal with it.

>>63806309
>>63805964
>normal people dont do that?
>t.metalworker
Funny you saying that. Because here in Russia metal is measured in mm until 6000mm
For example you get sheet metal 2x1250x2500mm.
Metalworking is precision.

>>63806194
I've never heard any one using the deci- outside of litres
t:finn

>>63806444
Why use deci for liters, but not meters?

>>63805901
>There's just this giant gap between centimeters and meters that makes measuring human-scale objects a pain in the ass.
Yes sure writing down 5 feet 7 inches is so shorter and convenient than 170 cm (not).

>>63805901
I suppose it's generally less effort to just do it in meters, for example .4m is easier/faster to write than 4dm because the decimal point is less complex than the letter d. If you then want more precision, you've already got your decimal point established and can just add more digits, such as .47m instead of 4.7dm.
>>63806454
5 feet 7 inches would typically be written as 5'7".

>>63806448
Dunno, just a society/culture thing I suppose.
Cooking recipes use decilitres all the time, but you hardly ever hear anything outside of milli-, centi-, metre or kilometre when it comes to measuring distance, depth or area. I've never heard anyone saying their field is one square dekametre or one square hectometre, people still use are (aari) and hectare (hehtaari) when they're reporting that about it (would mean the same shit tho).

>>63806194
>Or is it a just a Northern Europe thing?
Have seen it used in France, some parts of West Germany and the French parts of Belgium.

>>63806388
yurp never had enough resources for "fuck off precision"
"fuck off precision" was useful when you were a man in the woods at the manifest destiny time in US and could eyeball everything, but yurp has always been much denser and no one could afford to waste resources on do-overs
which is why US suffers now, when precision is actually needed with shit like 3/8", gauges and other made up unconvertible football fields

what even is this fucking conversation anymore

>>63806747
at least no one has mentioned the good ol' celsius vs fahrenheit

>>63806747

>>63806430
By the way, why no venturing business man has startd making cheap spall armor? The guys doing all these improvised kits would benefit from some standard systems, maybe someone seeing what'sthe most common vehicle in need due some stats, and what's the requisition process for civilian vehicles?

>>63806758
Celsius is better for everything except feeling temperature. Gtfo here with a number as low as 30 being hot. 80 is a nice, big number where you can *feel* how high it is.
F loses on every other front though. 212 is a dipshit number for boiling water, but ngl, 451 is a cool number for spontaneous combustion.

>>63806980
>Gtfo here with a number as low as 30 being hot. 80 is a nice, big number where you can *feel* how high it is.
this is just you bias showing. I grew up with C and most of my adult life has been with F. If kid me saw or heard anything higher than 25, I started wilting even before going outside.

>>63806980
>feeling temperature
but is it really? can you honestly tell the difference between 79F and 80F? because I can't tell the difference 25C and 26C, both are already hot for me

>>63807057
Yeah but fahrenheit lets you get to 100F. Triple digits, you know it's going to be hot as BALLS outside when it's 100, and even as a kid, you'll know 100 is a ridiculously high and hot number. In Celsius, you're still below 40C at the same temp. Not even halfway to 100, and that's lame. 45-100 is too hot in C, that entire swath is just 'burning hot', which makes it not as good for feeling temperature.

>>63804920
>>63805002
>megameter
Is this actually real?

>bigger number means more hot!
ok, so just add an extra zero after the celcius and call it decacelcius
>0daC you're freezing
>100daC you need a jacket
>200daC hot enough for shorts
>300daC suns out guns out
>400daC KICK UP THE AC

>>63807104
yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix

>>63807104
You're already familiar with Megaton and Megabyte as magnitudes above Kiloton and Kilobyte.
The next magnitude is Gigametre.

>>63807130
>distance between earth and pluto is only 7.5 terameters

>>63807113
"Centi-" is already a prefix. So 100 centigrade = 1 grade? No, doesn't actually work that way. But you can do kilokelvin.

>>63807115
>>63807130
I see I got trolled…

>>63806747
Naval drones are literally one of the deciding factors of future naval warfare and /k/ would rather discuss metric units.

>>63807158
https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/si-units-temperature
>ctrl+f centigrade
>zero hits

>>63803850 (OP)
>bloodthirsty ukies, not satisfied with obliterating the Black Sea fleet, set their eyes on the Baltic fleet next
Godspeed, you magnificent bastards

>>63807219
It astounds me these days how people are incapable of making the tiniest logical inference.

>>63807247
As long as they don't launch the attack from territorial waters it should be fine, right?

>>63807256
who was talking about centrigrades? at any point?
>celsius and centigrade are the same thing!!!
not according to the International Bureau of Weights and Measures it aint, BIPM only recognizes two units for tempature, Celsius and Kelvin.
so, yes, I can call it decacelcius and you can keep seething with impotent rage.

>>63804467
How? Q ships have been a thing for ages. I don't think they were actually ever outlawed, just seen as kind of a bad idea

>>63806537
>Cooking recipes use decilitres all the time
Really? I can't imagine many recipes that call for more than a few liters of anything.

>>63807651
a decilitre is 1/10th of a litre

>>63806537
>Cooking recipes use decilitres all the time
Never seen that in Poland, it's either ml or fractions of litre, depending on the amount.
But weight is commonly stated in decagrams, so I guess every country has its specific measuring quirks.

>>63807665
Oh, I'm retarded. Still, I feel like I usually see quantities of hundreds of milliliters rather than deciliters.
>>63807346
The unit for temperature is degrees. It would be decadegrees Celsius/Kelvin.

>>63807651
>decilitre
That's 100 ml my dude.
or 0.1 l if you prefer

In Europe different countries sometimes like using deca/deci/centi/milli for various reasons.
Random example
In Austria, people often order meat in decagrams, generally shortened to just 'deka'
In Germany, you just use grams.

>>63807709
Americans sometimes call Celsius centigrade, to distinguish it from their 'randomly selected numbers' degrees.

>>63807732
>That's 100 ml my dude.
I know. I'm saying that I only ever see 100mL used rather than 1dL.

>>63803850 (OP)
>Are they going to hit the Pacific or Arctic fleet with these?

Why is this being spread everywhere?
The RF would have been better off quietly trying to fix the problem rather than blurting out their vulnerability every which way.

>>63807136
My God, how could we let it get so close? Was no one keeping an eye on it?

>>63807751
desu every stationary naval asset is extremely vulnerable to these. I think the largest/longest range versions will struggle to hit moving targets taking evasive actions but even at moderate alertness levels you would need a significant early warning on what is likely a relatively quiet, low observable asset, in order to get out into deep enough water to evade, to avoid losing your 8 to 10 figure asset to a 6 to 7 figure one.

Once we saw one actually strike the Crimean bridge, which is most likely the most heavily patrolled and monitored water in all of Europe if not the world it's hard to conceive of what current technology countermeasures will reliably stop these from showing up in port and slapping your GF's ass.

>>63804467
Fighting out of uniform is not a war crime. Fighting whilst wearing the uniform or markings of the enemy is.

>>63807091
100C is literally boiling hot.

I wonder if the payload on these is about a thousand lbs of tnt equivalent.

>preprogrammed with AI
sotp

>>63805901
Wait until you realize decimal inches are frequently used in machining.
t. machinist

>>63807751
If they try to do something in the Pacific Rajin would be in range as whatever launch point they used would be the same as that that you would use for Vladivostok and the Fleet HQ. Someone in Ukraine is thinking about it, especially since Rajin is where most of the Nork weapons move through. Also where the destroyer is getting fixed.

>Oryx adds 'choe hyon-class destroyer' to list
>Russia desperately tries to convince everyone that it wasn't him that launched the nuke
>Kim used stolen Russian nuclear material to make that particular one
>It is traced to the Russians
>????????
>Profit!

>>63807091
>Yeah but fahrenheit lets you get to 100F.
ror, rmao

>>63803852
That would be 2Mm (Mega-Meter).

>>63803907
its a joke not a dick, dont take it so hard cumrad

>>63806980
Eh that's just what you're used to, you wouldn't have any problem feeling temperature in °C if you had grown up with it.
And while Farenheit is a bit of a dipshit system for meassuring anything, Celsius is honest to god not that much better.
>the definition of 100°C only applies at this exact altitude and fuck everyone else

>>63811252
Convert humanity to Kelvin

>>63808136
The problem is that we need to see them in action against a military that hasn't consistently shown to be inept, incapable, and unwilling to unfuck itself. Not even a good military, just one where the default assumption isn't 50+ year old gear of questionable operational status being manned by Fyoder and Ivan, illiterate churkas who are spending their shift in the nearby ditch blasted on engine degreaser and trying to rape the other to prove they're not gay.

>>63811319
there are, at most, three navies in the world that would pass this bar.

>>63811257
I fucked up we're all Kevin now

>>63807746
“Centigrade” refers to any system of 0-100 measurements generically (a Grade of 100). Idk why it is that it gets applied to Celsius, which famously includes values both above and below the 0 and 100 value.

The lack of decent music for this thread offends me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVSM1oAruI

>>63812867
>Idk why it is that it gets applied to Celsius, which famously includes values both above and below the 0 and 100 value.
I suppose because it's based on the freezing and boiling points of water, on a range of 0 to 100 respectively.

>>63806268
That's why she is kindly applying lube before getting down to it

>>63806218
not enough reason to when there are still warships in the black sea where they can actually do damage to ukraine

>>63806281
Kek

Big long range silent running torpedoes are the future of nuclear deterrence. Technology is getting there to reliably intercept missiles if you're willing to spend enough money, but there's no way to stop something underwater from pulling up at one of your coastal cities.

>>63814226
The Black Sea fleet is well protected in Novorossiysk.

>>63806300
All measurement has precision retard. Just because pea-brain can't handle one unit is 3.44 of another, and isn't in fucking base 10 doesn't mean it's not precise. I can invent a scale of niggers and spics and as long as mathematical relationships apply, it's precise. Why words distract you is the same reason tactics puzzle you but strategy is ethereal magic.

>>63806403
I hate metric but like mm

>>63803850 (OP)
it's no secret the usa has tons of listening devices all over the ocean floor. there's no reason to think russia doesn't do this either, but then again they were having logistic problems one mile from their own border before ukraine had western equipment so who fucking knows what's up with russia really

>>63806576
>unconvertible
Show me one you can't convert with that smartphone you never put down. Oh SHTF eh, what then? It will be among the competing things which kill you in a week at most. OHES NOES A METH FREAK IS EATING MY FACE AND CENTIMETERS ARE NOT NATURAL TO MY THOUGHTS!

>>63806747
DEFENDING HER MAJESTY'S CIVILIZATION

>>63814943
>>63815096
>I can convert ANYTHING to ANY precision with my magical zoomer smartphone senpai
>can't convert anything in my head tho

>>63806747
typical day

>>63815028
If it's electric and going slow enough literally undetectable without physics-breaking alien technology unless you rig the ocean with constant active sonar and kill most of the world's whales and dolphins and many it's fish in the process.

>>63805901
>I'm still salty decimeters isn't used
But they are though.

>>63806268
>I feel like Buhanka-Chan should not be abused too much
Don't worry, she's had much worse inside her and many at a time.
Buhanka-chan is no innocent, she's seen some shit.

>>63805901
retarded poster and retarded picture
centimetres isn't a new unite, it's just a 100th of a metre. Hectometres is just 100 metres. Nothing new just a different order of magnitude.
On the other hand imperial actually have different units of length.

No one will go "um my height is one metre, seven decimetres, 8 centimetres and 4milimitres". You pick an order of magnitude and put a fucking decimal. Too bad for your decimetre fanboy ass since it's right next to the actual pure Metre. Could be worse, hecto and deca aren't used at all. Decimitres cubes are 1L so they get use there.

>>63803850 (OP)
What is this pose meant to convey?

>>63821251
Poor thing can't catch a break