Quick question

Why the fuck didn't the US already put a military fort/base on Taiwan yet?

Ever since the 50's the US had been guaranteeing Taiwan independence & defense.

For fucking 70 years the US had Taiwan back. How the hell did America fleece itself out out of a base next door to China? Our biggest competitor.

Had we established a fucking base of operation right on Taiwan from 1950 to 2000 the commies wouldn't have anything to answer to that. How the hell did the US screw up one of the most potential flashpoints in the world right now by not even putting boots on the ground for Taiwan? Now if you even try now the PRC have advanced enough to become a real threat towards the carrier group.

The PRC hadn't even gotten credible threatening anti ship missle until the YJ-12 release

>tl;dr How did the US screw themselves out of a easy win for Taiwan defense & independence?

>>63812889 (OP)
Already exists, its called Guam. Why would you place anything of import on Taiwan when there's a high probability it will get either lost, stolen or destroyed by the Chinese? Its better for us if they kill Taiwanese when they hit the island rather than American servicemen. Meanwhile the USAF will be there in under 30 minutes flying out from Guam.

>>63812953
because it gives a guaranteed voice in the military operations of taiwan

Right now the PRC is being a bitch because they're constantly bitching saying its an internal affair blah blah. They wouldn't be saying that shit if there was a US base on Taiwan. Definitive defined line of defence for the protection of Taiwan would've been a more harder stance to dance around than a "ohhh maybe we would defend taiwan" stance

This type of soft bullshit dance around the issue politics is what lead up to the attack on Ukraine. Because there had no hard fucking line defined on the US would engage military action for.

This soft dick swinging bullshit is what let these third world countries push our shit around

>>63812953
>Meanwhile the USAF will be there in under 30 minutes flying out from Guam.
You can't fly 1500 nm in 30 min

>>63813044
what's so bad about the war in Ukraine?
Russian armed forces crippled and all it cost us was some oldish military equipment

>>63813320
Bush-era delusions we can somehow make Russia an ally while an-ex USSR stooge is in the Kremlin.

>>63813377
they were kinda helpful during the GWoT.
Doesn't matter much presently, they lost half their military in ukraine, probably balkanize after the war is over

>>63812889 (OP)
because even till the modern day the US only really needs to spare a few ships an any would be invasion of Taiwan would be far to much of a hassle for the chink to ever go through with it so even before the whole one china policy came into play there was no real need for one, obviously you have the political issue of it now (and even somewhat back then) but even without those its not really needed

>>63812889 (OP)
Because the PRC never really had the ability to invade and would be needlessly provocative because up until recently, our interest in Taiwan was purely ideological.

Realistic answer is:
From 1949 up until about 1990, there was no need, because the Chinese Communists did not have a navy. Not a smaller navy, or a navy capable of dealing with a carrier battlegroup, but no blue water navy. They had a large collection of torpedo boats and missile boats and small, Soviet-type Diesel subs to fuck around along the coast, but they had absolute zero ability to send troops across the 100 miles of water separating them from Taiwan. Taiwan's military isn't great, but it had more than sufficient firepower to see off the kind of slap-fights that did occasionally occur, especially in the 1950's.
A US Navy carrier battlegroup showing up (and one was always in the general area) would have just adding to the beating if Beijing had tried at any time during that period, assuming they were serious. (and a lot of the time they had others stuff going on, i.e. Cultural Revolution).

After 1991 and the Gulf War scared them, the Chinese started to get serious, and began building a real 1st World military, Navy included. Coincidentally, their friends in the West had set them on an economic arc that would pay for building such a force.

By about 2010, they looked around, and they were a real power now. Taiwan had lets its military rot to a degree also. By that point, to where we are now, they seriously started considering taking Taiwan back. It has turned into their Holy Grail of foreign policy.

So during the first long period, there was no immediate need to set US forces on teh island. By the middle period, it wasn't a good idea politically/diplomatically, lest it screw up America's economic ties with China. By the late period/now, there is active concern it could precipitate a war by doing it, instead of preventing it.

>>63813044
>push our shit around
Taiwan is 100 miles from China. They are very obviously in their sphere of influence. I dont feel like risking nuclear war over inter-asian flair ups. Furthermore, I dont see why we should be getting into a tit for tat with China putting forces right across the US border. All for what exactly? Is China some evil empire that regularly invades other countries and tells them what to do? Seems like they are more interested in selling shit.

>>63814683
>All for what exactly?
90% of the world's most advanced microelectronics (feature size 10nm and below) are made in Taiwan. If China takes Taiwan, they could sanction America and leapfrog us in the most critical industry of the 21st century. Not only that, it will allow them to break out of the 1st island chain and spread their sphere of influence towards Japan, Korea etc

>>63813400
>they were kinda helpful during the GWoT
When???

>>63814683
>risking nuclear war
SHUT THE FUCK UP
Their kids are at school here, their cousins all have houses here, most of their illicit wealth is hidden here. Stop fucking letting thirdies do whatever they want because if we don't let them have their way, they'll nuke us.
Unlike them, our nukes work, and haven't been embezzled so Bang Ding Ow Jr. can go to University of Miami and bang trannies with his father's totally-not-augmented CCP civil servant's salary.

You failed excuse for a man, I hope you're a Chang bot and not an actual American.

>>63812889 (OP)
Because anglos and americans have been supporting communism since the 1920s. Tanks and tank factories designed by brits and americans. Stabbing Republic of China in the back and giving their seat in the UN to the communists. Giving Hong Kong to them. Not even trying to win the war in vietnam because China wouldn't like it. Completely stopping producing movies about the Korean War. Creating free trade agreements that lets capital and industry move to China. Co-operating with their creation of the chinese firewall. Letting israeli spies sell everything to them. The list goes on and on.

>>63814736
Meh, I am ready for the sunset of the American empire. Are you going to look at the state of the middle east and say America has had a positive impact? We haven't had a just war in decades.
Also, any prolonged conflict there will likely destroy the factories anyway.
>>63814785
The interventionist camp has burned up all its political capital on retarded wars. Dont care

>>63813152
Maybe not YOU

>>63814683
>we
Sure thing, Cheng.

>>63814892
>pls bro support another forever bro just one more pls

>>63814959
*forever war

>>63814852
>be American
>be isolationist multiples times
>every time it backfires horribly when Old Worlders chimp out and we have to re-intervene
Yeah can't wait

>>63814852
>>63814959
Turdies getting Internet access was a mistake.

>>63812889 (OP)
We *did* have bases in Taiwan with a peak of 30,000 troops in the late 1960s, but began withdrawing in the 1970s while normalizing with China.

>>63812889 (OP)
Current US detachment in Taiwan is ~100, the US will saber rattle but isn't serious about defending Taiwan and everyone knows it.

This thread is bizarre. OP asks why the U.S. never did something it did, and then a bunch of replies make arguments as to why the U.S. didn't do what it did... I don't even know. People don't study Cold War history I guess.

>>63813152
You have no idea about the capabilities of the USAF

>>63815208
>it backfires horribly
by making us rich and easily sweeping the board after the hard fighting is done?

>>63814683
Your concern trolling needs to improve. Your participation of trolling for reduced sentencing program is now revoked. Now go back to your sewing machine.

>>63815509
>>63813152
Nta but guam -> taiwan is roughly 2750km, to cover that in 30min youd need to do 5500+km/h. The SR-71 did about 3600kmh. Unless you're telling me guam is stocked with militarized x43s you aren't making that in 30 minutes.

>>63814644
>After 1991 and the Gulf War scared them, the Chinese started to get serious, and began building a real 1st World military, Navy included.

>>63814683
>Furthermore, I dont see why we should be getting into a tit for tat with China putting forces right across the US border.

The Soviets literally used to have their nuclear subs operate out of Cuba (AFTER the Missile the Crisis)

>>63812889 (OP)
>>tl;dr How did the US screw themselves out of a easy win for Taiwan defense & independence?
Blame Nixon and the one China policy.

>>63818389
Just boys being boys

>>63812889 (OP)
Kissinger, Nixon, and Chiang himself (the statue). The first two for embracing China without resolving the issue first. Chiang for refusing to admit defeat and refusing to accept two Chinas.

The Chink people rejected the ROC and supported the gommies

>>63815483
Your facts don't align with my Youtube curated library of historical knowledge, please cease posting.

>>63818900
Chiang was a turkey, and the embedded US advisors knew that. The nationalists had defections at every level, from lone soldiers to whole army groups. The broke ass commies couldn't even pay off the detectors, they just hated Chiang that much.

Why should America get involved in Taiwan? We don’t owe them anything

>>63814736
They already have a monopoly on rare earths and could accomplish that by cutting off sales to America and anyone who sells advanced chips to America.

>>63812889 (OP)
Because there's no way in hell Taiwan beats a full-on invasion from the mainland

>>63821199
Anon the only have a monopoly due to market manipulation and a lack of care about the conditions their workers. If China wanted to fully cut off global access to its rare earth minerals, all that would do is kill their monopoly.