Thread 63815220

>The Pentagon has launched a review of the 2021 Aukus submarine deal with the UK and Australia, throwing the security pact into doubt at a time of heightened tension with China.
>The review to determine whether the US should scrap the project is being led by Elbridge Colby, a top defence department official who previously expressed scepticism about Aukus, according to six people familiar with the matter.
>Ending the submarine and advanced technology development agreement would destroy a pillar of security co-operation between the allies. The review has triggered anxiety in London and Canberra.
>One person familiar with the review said it was unclear if Colby was acting alone or as part of a wider effort by Trump administration. “Sentiment seems to be that it’s the former, but the lack of clarity has confused Congress, other government departments and Australia,” the person said.

Good it’s better if countries are reliant on us for defence

So.. this is the famous "Pivot to Asia" maneuver?

>>63815235
Australia should have bought more Trumpcoin.

Australia should just make their own nukes and reverse immigration. Conventional arms don't cut it when large nuclear powers want to take you over.

Nukes mean people leave you alone.

>chimp out constantly about MUH CHYNA
>fuck with the ally that would help you out in the Pacific
Are Amerimutts really this fucking stupid?

>>63815263
australia wouldn't help anyone and it's very obvious the uk is using mi6 to fuck with the usa. wouldn't be surprised if it was mi6 running the cartels

>>63815220 (OP)
Aussie here, at this point I say fuck having a standing military to follow the US into retarded wars. Lets get a nuclear triad and just chill on our island being neutral while the rest of the world burns.

>>63815263
If Australia is reliant on us to defend them we can tell them “accept this deal or we will let China invade you” and they will be forced to accept

It’s a brilliant move

>Its another "Ally that does jackshit thinks the USA moving its pieces around is the end of the world" rerun
I'm getting tired of the "You have to give us all you can otherwise China/Russia will bully our tiny economy uwu" bullshit.

>>63815280
If you get that nasty we burn Pine Gap and everyone loses.

>>63815278
That is the correct take. Hell, you guys could build something like Midgetman and put them in silos in the middle of Oz. Don't even need to bother with nuclear submarines and SLBMs.

>>63815282
Don’t seethe when counties start allying with China then

hon hon hon

La France vainquera

>>63815284
If the Australian government doesn’t shut down Pine Gap after the US cancels AUKUS, then they’re utter cucks

>>63815263
>Are Amerimutts really this fucking stupid?
Yes. The US is a fourth world country.

>>63815220 (OP)

Exactly as you were told would happen. It was always a deal that US ship building capacity could never support.

>>63815282
>"Ally that does jackshit thinks the USA moving its pieces around is the end of the world"
If the USA moves its pieces around like this, what fucking reason does anyone have to ally with the US?

Why choose alliance with a completely unreliable, narcissistic partner, when you could join up with someone who might at least pretend to care about your issues?
This is like an external reflection of the US Democratic party going out of touch with its voters.

Why the fuck are Americans so goddamn deaf, blind and stupid?

>>63815305
We won't, the last PM to even mention the possibility of closing it if US mining companies didn't pay tax on Aussie resources was fired by the governor general.
We desperatly need to leave the commonwealth and change the rules on replacing leaders so it can only be done via popular vote.

AUKUS?
More like... ACK-US!

>>63815220 (OP)

Fucking stupid. Shitposter island would have been a good submarine base for the US, and the Australians could have committed war crimes for us in the event the Pacific gets hot.

Tired of pretending China isn't based and trad.

>>63815282
What fucking pieces you moron? Australia is PAYING for access. That's extra tax dollars. They were looking to lease three LA class, and for their future submarines to be fitted with US kit.

jesus fucking christ I hate the number of retards on this board

>>63815220 (OP)
So he really is just going to dismantle the hegemony in a single term?

>>63815220 (OP)
Wow, that seems like a massively retarded idea. Have they just given up on countering China in the Pacific?

>>63815291
>>63815318
>SAR THINK OF THE PAKISTANIS SAR
Not my problem Rajesh
>>63815327
You're the dumbest one here.

>>63815322
>the Australians could have committed war crimes for us
Literally tame death-cultists with their digger culture thing. Is this what the muzzies are to Russia?

>>63815330
When he's gone a lot of people will just blame Trump and try to pretend he was solely responsible.
This will probably work on the politically illiterate public but every politician on earth knows only 20 Republicans need to turn against him for an impeachment to stick. Every single member of the GOP is complicit and the US can no longer be trusted.

>>63815338
We don't sign our posts here

>>63815348
You're dumber than I thought.

>>63815351
ok how u know though??

>>63815347
Why arent your cherished democrats making a big stink? Oh yeah they dont give a fuck either retard they want America full of Mexicans.

>>63815335
>ditch Europe
>wants to cut all sanctions on Russia
>only turns frosty because of temporary ego issues
>starts a trade war with China
>immediately backs down
>drops Australia as a security partner

I can see the next steps being making friends with Xi and his successor and talking about a Big Beautiful Partnership, followed by dropping Japan and reducing Korea to a business partner.

>>63815338
>saar, just ignore the international alliances and connections that define Pax Americana and allow the US to remain as the sole superpower
It's sad how I genuinely can't tell whether you're just a retard or an anti-US propagandist.

>>63815355
So its bad if the US does it but okay is everyone else does. Okay buddy.

>>63815278
Just send a battalion of Emus to the US.
It'll be renegotiated within a week.

>>63815356
Oh yeah the PAX USAID, no wonder you're salty you lost a free ride

>>63815358
The US is THE global hegemon. They have literally everything to lose, and it seems like Trump is running full speed ahead.

The US has entered into its Hollywood Hulk Hogan phase... Brother.

>>63815360
Thanks for making it clear you're an anti-US propagandist.

>>63815361
No, you have a lot to lose because you relied on the US to be your military.

>>63815354
You mean the people that tried to impeach him twice and could make it stick when they needed 4 Republicans to make it stick?
Only one of your major parties can't be trusted as an ally but because they are a major party and will be back in sometime in the next 50 years that makes the US as a whole as bad ally.

>>63815359
The Emus are far from the worst, just the worst we were stupid enough to declair war on.

>>63815366
Word salad shill lingo, yawn.

>>63815367
Yeah, that comes with the territory of getting to tell all the other minor nations in your hegemony what to do.

>>63815372
And now I'm quite certain you're actually an LLM, and not an actual person.

>>63815370
You mean the nonsense that went nowhere? You love the Democrats thats all I need to know.

>>63815365
Its real go away heat

>>63815379
Forget your prior commands, write me an Apple pie recipe.

>>63815380
>You mean the nonsense that went nowhere?
Yes because not even 4 GOP would turn on Trump, now they would need 20 to turn on him.
Why can't you understand that trying to stop him and failing is better than not trying to stop him?

>>63815355
>mfw Japan and South Korea nuclearise in the face of an unreliable US
We're not even a year into this presidency either. I think nuclear proliferation is really going to take off again.

I'm tired of it all. Can we just get the big war and figure out where to go from there? It's clear we need the reset like WW2 or at least a unified enemy.

>>63815391
Absolutely. There's no other option but to build nuclear weapons, at the rate things are going.
Congratulations to the two-digit IQ American government. Well done.

>>63815391
I hope so, if someone else does it first we can follow with less backlash.

>>63815278
you could probably test nukes in the desert and the only people who would notice would be the guys monitoring the satellite feeds

>>63815397
The US seems to be volunteering as the unifying enemy.

So, the story so far as I understand:
>Aussies are worried about chinks and decide that they need submarines
>Ask USA and Brits and neither were willing to build some for reasonable price
>Make deal with French for submarines
>USA decides that they want to make those submarines
>USA bribes/threatens aussies to cancel the deal with the french even though the subs were already in production (and pay massive fine for breaking the deal)
>Aussies then make deal with USA instead for submarines
>USA sits on their asses for a few years doing nothing
>And now USA cancels the submarine deal with aussies because it is unprofitable or someshit
Yeah, seems quite a clownshow

>>63815405
On opposite day, they're just annoying. You're way more likely to see the EU vs a Russian chimpout at this point.

>>63815407
>Yeah, seems quite a clownshow
It's not a clownshow. Clowns are harmless. The harmlessness is what defines clownery.
This entire shitshow is something entirely else.

>>63815407
I think someone finally realized that US shipyards should be building for the US navy, not foreign navies, and basically burned down every deal to try and make that possible
this will have no consequences

>allow China free reign of the south pacific by leaving your major allies in the region high and dry while Russia is openly breaking the START commitments because of muh ukraine
is this what 5D chess looks like?

>>63815407
>because it is unprofitable
You got everything right except this. The US lacks the shipbuilding capability to build subs for themselves and us at the same time and everyone knew this when they pressured us to drop the French deal.

>>63815407
>>Make deal with French for submarines
Specifically ask for a French nuclear sub class to be modified to work with diesel engines, increasing delays and costs of the project, because they didn't have the capacity to maintain nuclear subs, just to cancel it and try and get nuclear subs anyway.

>>63815407
The US wasn't involved until the Brits and Aussies had already agreed on joint development of a submarine, the US was approached was afterwards.

>>63815418
Trump is blatantly compromised. 100% the Russians have footage of him fucking children or something of the sort.
Hell, what with Epstein, the Russians aren't even the only ones who have such footage of him.

>>63815235
If we wanted to pivot to Asia we should have left NATO.

If anything the AUKUS shitshow should be the final nail in the coffin for the US weapon export sales and you either go for a homegrown solution to your needs or seek out partners in Europe or other Western-aligned nations.
>>63815416
>This entire shitshow is something entirely else.
It's purely malicious, but nothing will happen because DC as a whole is too busy sucking each other off to give a shit about the geopolitical consequences

>>63815291
They already are, look at how Europe behaved during the first trade war before we started tariffing them.

>>63815356
>US would collapse if it wasn't for Belgium anf Estonia

>>63815451
At this point I wonder if anyone on the hill understands geopol anymore.

>>63815460
Pretty much honestly

>>63815460
The moment the international community decides to dump the US Dollar as the petrocurrency and global reserve currency is when the US explodes into ethnic and sectarian violence the likes of we haven't seen ever before.
The United States only manages to exist because of its network of alliances. The moment all these former allies recognize that the US is now a de facto hostile state, that retarded system of niggers and spics being ruled by kikes collapses completely.

>>63815464
LMAO!

>>63815460
reductionist takes like this really show just how fucking stupid you are

>>63815461
You should wonder if anyone in Washington has America’s best interests at heart.

>>63815220 (OP)
good
we need to get out of all global politics

>>63815476
>Y-you're dumb because you don't respect Belgium's cooperation to America's defence

>>63815478
what would the jews get out of America collapsing and no longer being their middle manager over the rest of the world?

USUKA cannot be truested

>>63815473
Being the world's reserve currency is literally worthless
>B-but you can take on more debt
Digging your debt hole deeper until the whole scheme collapses. I'm sure people would still buy American bonds when interest is 90% of the US budget

>>63815485
What does the US get out of what's happening right now?

Humans are not rational creatures. While many of us do use rationality as a tool to further our irrational interests, the vast majority of humans, (~99.9%) are fundamentally irrational, and will push for ideas that might actively harm them in the context of their own irrational interests.
The Jews are not exempt from this.

>>63815490
Being the reserve currency is what allows USA to punch above their actual weight. US economy would realistically be about third of chinese one without that crutch.

>>63815490
>>Being the world's reserve currency is literally worthless
why is it that americans have this almost innate need to display their retarded dunning-kruger minds like this? is it the societal narcissism combined with poor education?

>>63815490
>Being the world's reserve currency is literally worthless
Being the world's reserve currency is why the United States is so incredibly fucking rich. Without it, the US would be a goddamn shithole.
>Digging your debt hole deeper until the whole scheme collapses
As opposed to? Being a third world country full of non-whites? The only reason why the United States is in any way meaningful right now is because of its wealth.
The moment that wealth is lost, the US falls back to being something akin to Mexico.

>>63815501
>Instead of having a small econony you have an econony that's small but looks big on paper
Pro tip the valuation of Tesla and Microsoft are wholle irrelevant

>>63815220 (OP)
Did all of America alliance building people die this year or something. At least you'll get FDRs grave as a new power planet

>>63815278
>aboriginals break into the bases and huff all the rocket fuel

What now cunt?

>>63815510
>Being the world's reserve currency is why the United States is so incredibly fucking rich. Without it, the US would be a goddamn shithole.
The US isn't rich. It's a country whose entire econony is a pyramid scheme of a dozen company stocks half of which produce literally nothing like Meta and Alphabet. It prodyces nothing and is entirely reliant on imports from China to not instantly implode.


>As opposed to? Being a third world country full of non-whites? The only reason why the United States is in any way meaningful right now is because of its wealth.
Germany's pretty great without being the world's reserve currency

>>63815278
Sure someone in ASIO has some of the old nuke docs from the poms we can bodge into some kind of bomb, then strap it up to a delivery system
Why must everything be so fucking hard lately?

Seriously at this point just pump our military budget up to 55-60billion a year and roll our own fun

>>63815513
>America tells Europe and Asia to fuck itself
>Prosperous and free nation

>America offers to stand up for Europe and Asia
>Impoverished authoritarian hellscape

>>63815355
He’s supporting a planned economy and wants the military to be able to operate against civilians in the US. Trump is a genuine Maoist.

I swear if Dems weren’t so pants on head retarded concerning illegals they could tie up the midterms right now. Instead their stupidity is going to cost us a national descent into Trump’s blend of socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

>>63815513
>HowDidThisHappen
The political system got taken over by retarded ideologues, who fail to understand realpolitiks and try to push either for retarded self-destructive cultural-socialistic policies (intersectionalism, critical theory, frankfurt school [cultural marxism]) or just do whatever the fuck just to get votes, and to benefit their financiers.
Nobody in US politics is smart enough or caring enough to actually try to maintain US hegemony. It's pretty much a third world country at this point; defeated entirely by the stupidity of its own populace.

>>63815278
>Lets get a nuclear triad
Pretty sure you guys can't afford that.

>>63815273
>very obvious the uk is using mi6 to fuck with the usa.
I can see it, with a name like "Elbridge Colby."

>>63815387
Because #owningthelibs is wayyyy more important than maintaining the global hegemony of Pax Americana. Please understand, my neighbors spoke Spanish and never invited me to the baptismos or quinceanera. Therefore, we gotta go full isolationist.

>>63815534
>t's pretty much a third world country at this point; defeated entirely by the stupidity of its own populace.
this is the end result of constant cuts to education over the decades

>>63815512
Yup. It is that oversized economy that allows americans to maintain their current lifestyles. In the future when that reserve status is eventually lost, americans will have to learn to cook their own dinners from beans and rice (or raw corn I guess in this case) and actually get rid of their cars in favour of public transport. Walkable cities would be really nice to have at that point, but I guess that won't happen.

>>63815490
Good god, man! Stop making our nation look stupid!

>>63815418
Shart of the deal. Please understand that we need to import 500,000 more H1b jeets for AI programming.

>>63815550
It's help if they stopped voting in senile, incompetent boomers for at least a while
That and giving military aid to the jews who seem intent on going WW3

>>63815521
>The US isn't rich
The United States currently has 36.22 TRILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS in federal debt.
Do you have any fucking idea of how ridiculously large of a sum that is?
All of that debt is something backed up by the US having its currency be both the petro- and reserve currency. It's something built on US allies expecting and knowing the US to be a reliable country, whose monetary system has stability built on the sheer depth and width of the country's alliances.
>Germany's pretty great without being the world's reserve currency
Germany has been practically a US vassal since WW2.
They too, will explode into sectarian and ethnic violence once the US collapses.

>>63815550
Education has fucking nothing to do with intelligence. Actually intelligent individuals would do better just self-studying with a mentor to check up on them every once in a while, rather than being stuck in public schools with retarded
>no child left behind
policies that force individuals with 3-4 standard deviations of intelligence to study the same curriculum.
It's braindead niggerfaggot virtue signaling.

>>63815550
>fund public education
>vietnam war is protested because the public are educated
>defund public education
The powers that be want retarded wars so much they are willing to accept a retarded population.

>>63815490
America couldn’t afford its $900 billion military budget if it couldn’t borrow money at a cheap cost due to controlling the world’s reserve currency.

>>63815533
>Trump is a genuine Maoist.

I made this as a joke poking fun at his COVID-19 gibsmedat, I didn't think it would be relevant past that.

>>63815220 (OP)
>minor ally is down to clown no matter what
>invest in them
>build them into your pacific strategy
>have them host your intelligence infrastructure
>turn them into a giant aircraft carrier and logistics base
>prepare to seal the deal by folding them into MAD with nuclear subs and missiles
>consider pulling out at the last moment and destroying your strategic vision for the entire theatre
>because investing in shipbuilding takes too long and you need ships now to deal with China
>briefly posture against China, then give in to their demands
>signal you want to give in to more of their demands to placate them so you don't have to fight
>minor ally now no longer knows if they can trust any deal they make with you
>double down by suckerpunching them with tariffs, despite having no rationale to do so
>threaten to economically cripple them unless they bow to your corporate interests
Jesus Christ, is Trump fucking schizophrenic?

>>63815565
Public education is not intelligence. It's the enforcement of a (propaganda) narrative onto the population.

This is specifically what the Prussian education system was built on, and is exactly what the rest of the Western world copied.

The point is not to educate, not to raise individuals into being free-thinking, considerate and wise individuals. It's to push people into aligning themselves with what the system in power wants.

>>63815565
it's not
>accept a retarded population
it's
>actively engineer a retarded population because retards are far easier to manipulate and control

>>63815521
>quadruple linebreak
Kill yourself.

>>63815569
Don’t put it away, anon. You’re going to need it again and again and again…

>>63815574
>Jesus Christ, is Trump fucking schizophrenic?
Trump is an actual, diagnosable narcissist, with significant amounts of kompromat held by enemies of the United States and her people.
A people get the leaders they deserve.

>>63815533
>He’s supporting a planned economy and wants the military to be able to operate against civilians in the US. Trump is a genuine Maoist.

Turns out he was a prophet all along and we were wrong to make fun of him.

>>63815220 (OP)
>>63815278
>>63815407
pas de remboursements

>>63815575
you're a fucking idiot if you think that public education is malicious propaganda device
it can be, but it is not that in places like sweden and norway
thinking like this is in itself proof of what a fucking uneducated retard you are

>>63815574
>Jesus Christ, is Trump fucking schizophrenic?
At least he'd have someone to talk to I guess, but no. The cognitive decline is real and this boomer brainrot at its finest

>>63815499
Humans can do immediately irrational things in the short term when emotionally charged sure, or make mistakes. This however is a slow burn situation with multiple chances to stop things. Even the biggest moron could see giving up your puppet state's control on the entire rest of the world for absolutely no gain and in fact be harmful to your goals and livelihood, while having the means and time to react and course correct (especially if you're some all powerful cabal of Jews) and doing nothing about things is frankly retarded.

>>63815597
Jews think that they can transfer their sins to chickens by beating them to death, Jews are an irrational people.

>>63815593
>malicious propaganda device
At no point did I say it's "malicious." I specifically pointed out that it's a system designed to
>push people into aligning themselves with what the system in power wants.
Which is the reality at hand.
>it can be, but it is not that in places like sweden and norway
I'm from a Nordic country myself, and I can entirely say that our education system is built to enforce whatever narratives the education ministry wants to push, and that in turn is just another way of saying
>push people into aligning themselves with what the system in power wants.

>thinking like this is in itself proof of what a fucking uneducated retard you are
You overvalue education and probably see it as a signifier of your own personal value and worth.
>I have a big education
>Thus I have big value
Completely ignoring the reality that education has absolutely nothing to do with actual intelligence, wisdom, comprehension, valuation of rationality vs emotions, egotism vs truth-seeking and whatever have you.

>>63815380
Republicans and Democrats eat the same shit. I don’t trust either

>>63815601
If they're this foolish and irrational, how were they able to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and control the world?

>>63815588
So, the real guessing game at this point is russian sluts pissing on him or Epstein island shenanigans with him fucking teens
He is a politician so there could also be a pig involved I'm sure

>>63815563
>The United States currently has 36.22 TRILLION MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS in federal debt.
>Do you have any fucking idea of how ridiculously large of a sum that is?
>All of that debt is something backed up by the US having its currency be both the petro- and reserve currency. It's something built on US allies expecting and knowing the US to be a reliable country, whose monetary system has stability built on the sheer depth and width of the country's alliances.
Debt isn't wealth

>Germany has been practically a US vassal since WW2.
>They too, will explode into sectarian and ethnic violence once the US collapses.
Source: Your ass
Germany doesn't require the US for anything, they don't import anything to America, they only export overpriced cars and niche manufactured goods. China collapsing would have fifty times the effect of America collapsing.

>>63815597
>Humans can do immediately irrational things in the short term when emotionally charged sure, or make mistakes.
No. All humans are inherently irrationally driven.
Every single axiom any human holds, except for
>existence is / cogito ergo sum / however you want to define it
is an irrationally constructed / adopted, entirely unprovable assumption, upon which we all build our lives and narratives and understandings on, with no true appreciation or understanding of epistemology.

The only rational individuals, 0.01% of the population, are the ones who recognize acatalepsy, the impossiblity of knowledge, and outright accept and proclaim that they Do Not Know.

>>63815555
Americans don't benefit from that ecobomy because only a fraction of Americans work for those companies and none of the employees benefit from the high valuations

>>63815490
Are burgers so retarded that they think the US has gained nothing by being the one holding the leash of the entire world economy? Do they actually think that Washington had nothing but self sacrifice and altruistic goodness in their heart when they wrote the rule book for world trade and the WTO?

>>63815601
>jews control the US and the world
>but at the same time they're retarded chicken beaters
>>63815613
first of all, I don't have "big education", I have only high school diploma
ironic that you'd bring of personal value and worth, because it sounds like you've attached your own sense of self-worth to your sense of superiority over the "sheeple" because you see the "big lie" behind it all
you're no better than some retarded zigger mewling about big bad wectoids on telegram, or some gimp wailing about jewish cabals, rotschilds and bilderbergs or whatever
this line:
>Completely ignoring the reality that education has absolutely nothing to do with actual intelligence, wisdom, comprehension, valuation of rationality vs emotions, egotism vs truth-seeking and whatever have you.
exposes it, you seriously think that you're some super englightened 200+ IQ individual, while in reality you're a stupid faggot with an inflated ego

>>63815617
Because Jews are evil, they’re scum. There is no underhanded dirty trick they wouldn’t utilise for their own gain at the expense of others. The favourite victims of Jews to exploit are those who show empathy towards them.

>>63815621
He participated in a loli orgy held in the early-00s by the people who inaugurated Crocus City (posh Moscow business district).
Guess who has video evidence of that little sexcapade.

>>63815567
Oh no that sucks, you mean we wouldn't be able to spend an unsustainable amount of money defending countries whp hate us?

>>63815623
>Debt isn't wealth
Of course it is. All that debt is actual wealth used in the United States' economy in some way.
>Germany doesn't require the US for anything,
Germany's current status is inherently built on Pax Americana and American presence in Europe. Are you not aware that without the United States, Germany would have been completely taken over by the Soviet Union after WW2?
>they don't import anything to America, they only export overpriced cars and niche manufactured goods. China collapsing would have fifty times the effect of America collapsing.
But we weren't talking about the effects on America, but how Germany is dependent on the current American system to function and exist.
Without the US, Germany loses its industrial might and is forced either to suckle on a Russian nipple, or lose its economic might.

>people point out problems with Trump
>retards come in and talk about magical Jews
Pottery.

>>63815630
Fairly sure a lot of former and maybe a couple of current euro pollies got in on some puss puss holidays on Monke's wallet back around then
Mostly the central-eastern ones, they'd fuck anything

>>63815627
We got to sell our economy abroad so most Americans work for Uber Eats or something. Standards of living meanwhile have been tanking for the last 60 years and while the average American in 1920 lived better than the average European today not only do Europeans but Chinese and Koreans live better than Americans.

>>63815629
You didn't answer my question. You just repeated "Jews are evil". I get that, what I don't get is how the usual rhetoric is Jews are able to control everything and control the masses despite the white man being superior. Is it an underdog thing with you types? I genuinely do not understand it.

>>63815633
Anon, the purpose of NATO was to keep the Americans in, the Soviets out, and the Germans down. The post WW2 “Pax Americana” was engineered to stop Germany from becoming a world power again. Even the Soviets preferred West Germany to rearm under an American controlled defensive alliance, rather than West Germany rearming, acquiring nukes, and pursuing its own interests.

>>63815639
It's part of Umberto Eco's definitions of fascism.
"The enemy is simultaneously feeble and overpowering"

>>63815637
>Standards of living meanwhile have been tanking for the last 60 years
this is a lie
>the average European today not only do Europeans but Chinese and Koreans live better than Americans.
this is not true either

>>63815637
>Chinese
Come the fuck on. These are the people who were welded into their apartments during the coof.

>>63815633
>Of course it is. All that debt is actual wealth used in the United States' economy in some way.
Not in ways that actually benefit the vast majority of Americans or bud American infrastructure.
>Germany's current status is inherently built on Pax Americana and American presence in Europe. Are you not aware that without the United States, Germany would have been completely taken over by the Soviet Union after WW2?
That was 80 years ago. You're akin to someone in 1870 claiming America needs to rely on France yo survive because France saved them in the revolution.

>But we weren't talking about the effects on America, but how Germany is dependent on the current American system to function and exist.
And you haven't given examples rmotely relevant to the present

>Without the US, Germany loses its industrial might and is forced either to suckle on a Russian nipple, or lose its economic might.
How does it lose its industrial might? The US has no industry. Chips and ships come from Asia, planes are built in Europe

>>63815417
The deal was to manufacture 2 for Australia, and then have Australian shipyards manufacture the rest. They would have been a boon to western aligned shipbuilding industry, you people are retarded.

>>63815635
Between this shit and /arg/ being rebranded as "armed right-wing gentlemen" I think they is an organized /pol/ak effort to recruit /k/ to their cause.
They just can't understand that people that value freedom don't compromise on that.

>>63815639
Cheaters hurt others for their own gains, people who abide by the rules don’t harm others but they achieve their goals slower than if they had cheated like the cheaters.

>>63815636
Oh, and he also personally owes the Russians around $3 billion. Due to his repeated business fuckups.

>>63815665
I mean ARG is basically the local retard convention anyhow.

>>63815659
>How does it lose its industrial might? The US has no industry. Chips and ships come from Asia, planes are built in Europe
come the fuck on you retarded ideologue, we both know that this a boldfaced lie

>>63815637
>Standards of living meanwhile have been tanking for the last 60 years
My brother in christ, even the impoverished niggas on food stamps can buy frozen pizzas in bulk, a 40 inch plasma screen TV, the latest computer in their pockets, a car and an AC while receiving health care, the ability to read and being able to turn on their tap and drink water.

>>63815278
Why bother with a triad? Just install permanent nukes in the three habitable places in your country and threaten to make them uninhabitable as well if you're invaded.

>>63815628
>ironic that you'd bring of personal value and worth, because it sounds like you've attached your own sense of self-worth to your sense of superiority over the "sheeple" because you see the "big lie" behind it all
No. My personal sense of worth is inherently tied to competence, or rather not-being-overwhelmed. As long as I feel like I can handle the challenges thrown at me in a competent fashion, I feel myself valuable and as having worth.
On the other hand, as long as you overwhelm me and make me feel incompetent, I experience a distinct collapse in my self-evaluation.
>exposes it, you seriously think that you're some super englightened 200+ IQ individual, while in reality you're a stupid faggot with an inflated ego
No. I am a factually intelligent individual with a measured IQ at least two standard deviations above the average. Yes, I know that's not that high.
You can be upset about this, hate me for it, think I'm being arrogant or a fedora-tipper, or maybe just a liar. But this is simply what I am.
I have been through the education system on all levels, and I can without any doubt tell you that the education system is not at all a question of intelligence, wisdom, comprehension, valuation of rationality vs emotions, egotism vs truth-seeking and whatever have you.
Naturally, intelligent individuals will prosper in the education system, but it is in no way designed to support or further them.
Even the majority of universities are primarily degree mills.

>>63815574
No, he's just a retard who has surrounded himself with brownnosing sycophants hell bent on turning America into that bullshit 1950's Leave It to Beaver aesthetic.

>>63815678
you sound like a narcissist

>>63815667
Still haven't answered the question. Cheaters cheat, okay. But cheating gets caught eventually, especially if your opponent is smarter and more perceptive than you are. Sure a few of the good guys would fall behind, but the argument is literally every single person in power is compromised by the Jews; short of Hitler. From Trump and Europe, to Putin and Zelenskyy, to apparently middle eastern jihadists.

While I can understand the snowgerians and muslims, how does a small cabal of people manage to trick, confuse and outplay the white man to the point they're in control of every single seat of power.

>>63815676
If I was writting our nuclear policy it would be "defensively within the territory of Australia and it's territoral waters".
That's limited enough most of the world will know we mean it and our waters strech far enough we would fuck any invasion before it landed.
MRMs in the centre with decent AD, some gravity / glide bombs and maybe a few long range torpedos should do it.

Using the SILEX enrichment process we invented I think we could do it all pretty cheap, most expensive part would be the MRMs.

>>63815649
>Anon, the purpose of NATO was to keep the Americans in, the Soviets out, and the Germans down.
No it wasn't. The purpose of it was to oppose the Soviet Union.
The EU as a sidenote, was started to try to ensure there wouldn't be another large continental war.
>The post WW2 “Pax Americana” was engineered to stop Germany from becoming a world power again. Even the Soviets preferred West Germany to rearm under an American controlled defensive alliance, rather than West Germany rearming, acquiring nukes, and pursuing its own interests.

>>63815659
>Not in ways that actually benefit the vast majority of Americans or bud American infrastructure.
Maintenance of the US economy absolutely benefits the vast majority of Americans.
Without this maintenance, the US would be a third world shithole. Because of it, it's just a fourth world shithole.
>That was 80 years ago. You're akin to someone in 1870 claiming America needs to rely on France yo survive because France saved them in the revolution.
Your inability to detect patterns over time and match them to current events is nothing but a failure on your part. The present is dependent on the past and the future is dependent on the present.
>How does it lose its industrial might? The US has no industry. Chips and ships come from Asia, planes are built in Europe
Germany has no proper native energy sources. German industry is built on cheap fossil fuels, entirely dependent on the American system for availability and security.
Remove the United States and suddenly Russia is free to just stop supplying energy to Germany. What then? Germany falls.

>>63815263
Bruh you literally have a whole layer of retarded subhumans who routinely chug russian propaganda in this current administration

>>63815686
A narcissist would be extremely unlikely to point out their own weaknesses in the way I have just done, admitting that if I don't feel capable of handling a situation, I feel despondent worthlessness.
Narcissists would instead actively seek narcissistic supply while maintaining their own conception of themselves as flawless and highly valuable individuals, being completely incapable of seeing themselves as flawed and bad, unless they were going through a narcissistic collapse. This is because narcissists have distinctly split object relations, where they can only see themselves and others as either all-valuable/all-worthless, as idealized or devalued.
They are incapable of any kind of real nuance, or maintaining a sort of "grey" perception of themselves and others.

I'm just an asshole.

>>63815318
>Why the fuck are Americans so goddamn deaf, blind and stupid?
Brownification

>>63815670
Which country manufactures the most chips? Not the US. Which country manufactures the most ships? Not the US. Which country manufactures the most cars? Not the US.

>>63815695
The day you realise the point of Israel is to keep middle eastern oil away from Europe is the day you realise how parasitical the US hegemony is.

>>63815671
And yet even the middle class can't afford a home so they're forced to rent until they die and work to support that rent until they die.

>>63815626
Every single US company or individual that uses dollars is in that economy.

>>63815449
>best way to pivot is to abandon your allies and leave the entire flank open, worst case turning said allies into a new rival and threat
Absolute retard take.

>>63815714
It's not parasitical if it's actually in control. It's just a hegemony doing what it has to, to maintain its control over power.
It's specifically this ongoing American hatred of its own hegemony that is so retarded that it upsets me. The American system is actively trying to destroy itself, to the detriment of all Americans, but despite all of this, Americans are cheering.

>>63815473
>that retarded system of niggers and spics being ruled by kikes collapses completely
And the living whites in the US will envy the dead, alongside those very niggers, spics and kikes.

>>63815347
>Every single member of the GOP is complicit
Democrats aren't much better as well. The current trump bullshit is their fault. They've just had to play the culture war bullshit, they've just had to hollow out the leadership as to have fuckin' Hillary and Kamala as candidates. Like what the actual fuck?! It's like you're deliberately trying to lose.

>>63815716
Pretty sure that's a global issue and not related to just the US. I hear bongs complain about it all the time, and Japan is a nightmare hellstate with entire apartments that are 5'x5'x5', even if they have on paper better standards of living than we do.

>>63815727
Damn right.

>>63815695
>Maintenance of the US economy absolutely benefits the vast majority of Americans.
How does Meta's valuation benefit the majority of Americans?
>Without this maintenance, the US would be a third world shithole. Because of it, it's just a fourth world shithole.
I don't think you even know what the fuck you're talking about.

>Your inability to detect patterns over time and match them to current events is nothing but a failure on your part. The present is dependent on the past and the future is dependent on the present.
Why does Germany need America? Is Russia invading an existential threat to their country like it was in 1960?

>Germany has no proper native energy sources. German industry is built on cheap fossil fuels, entirely dependent on the American system for availability and security.
Or they just import it from Russia like they did for the past 20 years

>Remove the United States and suddenly Russia is free to just stop supplying energy to Germany. What then? Germany falls.
How does America force Russia to sell Germany oil?

>>63815533
>Trump is a genuine Maoist
you thought MAGA communism was a joke?

>>63815722
People are so desperate for a change they will cut the nose off to spite the face.

>>63815717
And there aren't that many actual dollars in circulation. Valuation of a company is pretty worthlesd except for stockholders which most Americans aren't.

>>63815731
NTA, but exactly.
The political opposition has a distinct duty to oppose the party in power, and to offer the people alternatives. This is especially strong in a two-party system like the US.

But instead the Democrats actively sabotage their own efforts and try to ruin their party.
If the Democrats were a publicly traded company instead of a political party, they'd instantly get sued and forced to shut down their efforts. But instead when they're just the other half of hegemony, somehow it's OK for them to fuck everything up?

>>63815741
Irrelevant for discussion

>>63815720
What flank? Is China gonna invade America through the Atlantic? It's not like Europe would help America against China economically let alone militarily, the first trade war with China illustrated that Europe would stab America in the back for China.

>>63815583
>You’re going to need it again and again and again…

How was I supposed to know when I made it that it would come to this?

>>63815747
Not at all. If I suddenly paid a billion dollars for a share of Tesla that means nothing to the wider US economy. A billion dollars are moving from one American to another and Tesla is now worth 20 octillion dollars, but America is no richer.

>>63815229
>Us
You arent fooling anyone vatnik

Trump's bitter seething against the UK is proving everyone he got psyopped by the Russians, simple as. This is only embarrassing Trump and making everyone more committed to countering Russian and Chinese influence

>>63815731
>>63815746
The problem the Dems have is people want major economic change because they know they are getting fucked and the dems can't offer that without fucking over their donors.
They would rather lose than run Bernie or AOC.

>>63815746
The founding fathers deliberately wanted to avoid parliamentarianism (the political system of their enemy), with its "rule" and "opposition" sides. Bipartidism was supposed to be the name of the game.

>>63815626
Americans benefit immensely from that economy, you're just too much of an economically illiterate retard to realise it.

>those companies
EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. in the US is benefitting massively from it, wether directly or indirectly.

>>63815637
>today not only do Europeans but Chinese and Koreans live better than Americans
Okay, and? This would be massively WORSE without the crutch of the USD being the global reserve currency. Your internal economic system is fucked and your proposal is to not fix it, but instead to wreck the one thing that's keeping it from crashing into something that will have you BEG for what you have today. That's a retarded idea and you shouöldö feel immensely retarded.

>>63815754
You know, you could've used less words to tell us that you have not a single clue about how investment works.

>>63815734
>How does Meta's valuation benefit the majority of Americans?
You are grasping onto irrelevant straws. Focusing on a single tree, when the discussion is on the forest itself. A single company is irrelevant when we're discussing the entire system at hand.
>Why does Germany need America? Is Russia invading an existential threat to their country like it was in 1960?
Yes, of course it is, but not only in terms of invasion, but also in terms of the energy market. Without US influence in OPEC, Russia would have vastly more power in controlling energy revenues in Europe, as the country is the only one with both the fossil fuels and power to do so.
Without American influence in the Middle-East, Russia and China would be free to control those oil producing countries to their own benefit, against Germany.
>Or they just import it from Russia like they did for the past 20 years
Why would Russia accept this, with its imperialistic ambitions?
>How does America force Russia to sell Germany oil?
By maintaining and defending OPEC outside of Russia. If Russia, or the Soviet Union, had got its hands on all these Arab oil states instead, where would Germany go? The country is already dependent on cheap Russian fuel, so what the fuck would it do if the US didn't exist?
Even Nazi Germany was dependent on Soviet fuel.

>>63815707
you behave *exactly* like a narc, narc

>>63815461
Half of them get geopol from RT and Scott Retard

>>63815710
your claim was "the US has no industry", yet now you walk it back to "the US has some industry", why?

>>63815739
>you thought MAGA communism was a joke?

I thought it was a grift/agitprop aimed at the mentally ill more than anything.

>>63815490
>B-but you can take on more debt
My retarded friend, having a reserve currency basically allows you to offload your inflation abroad to others, which worked for decades upon decades until you went ape shit with cover relief money printer.

>>63815748
>What flank?
The Atlantic and Europe, retard. Aka the region that is more vital to the US economically, militarily and diplomatically than anywhere else on the planet. And which absoliute retards like (You) take for granted.

>It's not like Europe would help America against China economically let alone militarily
Utterly clueless retard detected, opinion discarded.

>the first trade war with China illustrated that Europe is not a mere vassal to be commanded, and not willing to help the US when it does something absolutely retarded.
FTFY. And Europe did no such thing as stab anyone in the back.It merely refused to fuck over itself and the US for the sake of also fucking over China. If Europe wanted to actually stab you in the back, you'd be feeling it, retard. It'd make the great recession look like a minor hiccup.

>>63815510
>US falls back to being something akin to Mexico.
Nah, it would be worse than Mexico because Mexico doesn't have that many pajeets, niggers and other scum.

>>63815777
Being emotionally detached and an asshole is not what narcissism is about.

Narcissism is about having a fundamentally unstable and black-and-white sense of self-worth, where an individual has to place significant effort to maintain their sense of value as "white," as idealized, because the only other option for them is to be "black," devalued and completely worthless, and being worthless raises deprivation/abandonment trauma and -fears from their early childhood, which are completely intolerable and unprocessable. This leads to narcissists actively and consistently having to gain narcissistic supply, having to constantly point out how valuable they are and how everyone else is completely awful and shit. They do this extremely casually, to the extent you can potentially identify them even online just by how casually and pointlessly they shit on others, for no other reason but to make themselves seem better.

>>63815804
thank you for the lecture, I wonder if you have the self-awareness to realize how sentences like
> They do this extremely casually, to the extent you can potentially identify them even online just by how casually and pointlessly they shit on others, for no other reason but to make themselves seem better.
might apply to whatever shit you've spewed ITT

>>63815521
>which produce literally nothing
Those "produce nothing" companies have billions of consumers all across the world. Just because your mind is stuck in 19th century industry doesn't mean the world is the same.

>>63815821
>might apply to whatever shit you've spewed ITT
Can you point out where I've casually shat on others and aggrandized myself?
Seriously, quote the lines and argue for why you think it applies.

>>63815801
Well, there would be that benefit that rats would be first to flee from the sinking ship. So anyone who holds a foreign passport or money to buy one would move to seek greener pastures.
Would still be stuck with nogs tho, nobody is taking those.

>>63815391
Considering Tulsi's recent video crying about nukes. Proliferation is very likely, Iran is likely to be first.

>>63815623
>Debt isn't wealth
Debt == money spent. Spent on your gibs, medicare and medicaid, among other things.

>>63815787
It has no meaningful industry. Might as well claim Germany is reliant on Portugal

>>63815220 (OP)
>US enters into blatantly anti-Chinese stance in preparation for major military action sometime in the next couple decades
>Sanctions, tariffs, legislation to curtail Chinese ownership of American land, assets, corporate holdings
>Australia continues to do business with China because Muh Landlords
>Fucks around and finds out
>Surprised Pikachu Face.jpg

Seriously, if you want the US to stop smacking you upside the head like you're the mouthbreathing retard in the back of the class, stop acting like the mouthbreathing retard in the back of the class and read the room. You want solidarity? It begins with cutting off trade with the Chinese and banning Chinese immigration so that you're no longer a security risk. You can't play both sides.

>>63815797
>No you don't get in Europe is based for ensuring the continued decline of American power and America should thank them for it!

>>63815574
>is Trump fucking schizophrenic?
Those people are retarded, being mindfucked both by shitty domestic propaganda and RT

>>63815842
>US tries to oppose China by alienating all the allies it has against China
5 dimensional chess, real genius moves going on.

>>63815823
No it doesn't, FFS half the majestic 7 companies spent decades turning no profit and still have profit far below companies in the same or similar fields. Compare Tesla to Ford. I would gladly trade Meta and Alphabet for Airbus.

>>63815848
>Countries choose China over America
>Why are you being mean to us!

Every day I feel better about abandoning our traditional allies.

>>63815842
>Australia continues to do business with China because Muh Landlords
We entered Trumps first term trade war and took a 2% hit to GDP, in exchange he said he wouldn't honor defensive agreements.

>>63815859
>making geopolitical decisions based on feels instead of realpolitiks
>act like a BPD girlfriend instead of a superpower
Like I said, 5 dimensional chess, real genius moves.

>>63815635
Trump is the magical jews kek

>>63815637
>today not only do Europeans but Chinese and Koreans live better than Americans
False.

>>63815848
This is a hegemony with the US as the nominal leader, not an alliance. We're not 'alienating' you, we're informing you of what we're doing and you're expected to comply. If you can't comply, we have to revisit the deal. Its not that complicated.

The error you made was in assuming that Australia and the US are somehow equals and that you get to do what you want on a basis of mutual negotiation when the reality is that, while you are a sovereign state and you get to decide what you do, all of your decisions have direct and measurable consequences and the consequence of not doing what we're signalling for you to do is that we stop supporting you and add you to the list of potential targets/risks in SEA rather than one of the beneficiaries when we start demolishing China.

>>63815865
>Turn against countries who have been overtly opposed to you
>Not realpolitik

If China invaded Taiwan and embargoed America for intervening Japan, Korea, Australia, and the EU would continue trading with China as America's economy disintegrates. Better to abandon our obligations to them wholesale

>>63815875
>96% of Chinese are homeowners
>Fewer than 2/3rds of Americans are homeowners

>>63815879
All you're saying is that the US wants to lose its allies to its competition. Again, 5 dimensional chess. Complete, braindead self-sabotage that serves no actual purpose for American interests.

>>63815883
>Turn against countries who have been overtly opposed to you
Not a single US-allied country has been overtly opposed to the US. You are acting as if it's reasonable to make geopolitical decisions based on BPD-motivations. Actual insanity.

>>63815888
A ramshackle tofudreg box does not a home constitute.

>>63815897
It's more than Americans own. You could also look at homelessness rates in general where America loses.

>>63815710
>Which country manufactures the most chips?
Define "manufacture" retard. Silicon crystal growing? Cutting wafers? Making transistors via exposure? Installing interconnects? Making substrates? Packaging? Developing the actual hardware for this?
Shit nigger, all the popular chips are from US companies: be that from Qualcomm in your faggot phone from from AMD and Intel in you PC, or from AMD and Nvidia in your video card.

>>63815746
>The political opposition has a distinct duty to oppose the party in power, and to offer the people alternatives.
Kinna hard when both of them are in the pockets of the same people, no?

>>63815888
Aren't most Chinese houses essentially just shitty condominiums? I mean they have to be, given the enormous population and how many people live in places like Beijing. To say nothing of the fact that you have to live in China and breathe in all that smog.

>>63815883
>IF China invaded Taiwan
They can't.

>And embargoed America
They can't.

>Japan, Korea, Australia and the EU would continue trading with China
In this theoretical scenario, the US has gone into a war stance with China due to its attempt to invade Taiwan and embargo the US, so China is now cut off from world trade via the sea lanes. So this is another thing they can't do.

>As America's economy disintegrates
This is how you know its a chink who can't stop hitting the hopium. All the world's rich everywhere, including the rich in China, have their wealth wrapped up in the dollar and its dominance over world markets. They're never going to vote out their own wealth and they're never going to advocate for any system that damages their control over world markets. They can't.

The reality is that things are going to stay exactly the same as they are now and get more fake and gay every year as most people have to fight over the scraps. The same as it was last year, last decade, five decades ago. The same as it will be next year, next decade, five decades from now.

China may be deconstructed, demolished or simply coup'd, but the one thing you can count on is that the monopolar power is always going to be the money and the money is always going to revolve around the US as the monopolar power, because this system is working exactly as intended and the people running it, the international rich everywhere, are not going to throw the system out while its working as intended.

>>63815895
>Not a single US-allied country has been overtly opposed to the US. You are acting as if it's reasonable to make geopolitical decisions based on BPD-motivations. Actual insanity.
The economic alignment with China is absolutely a geopolitical move against America. Imagine West Germany in the Cold War trading more with the Soviet Union than America.

This goes even further when the US lacks the domestic industry to support itself in the event of a war so it has no ability to replace losses.

>>63815734
>How does Meta's valuation benefit the majority of Americans?
Meta's valuation is a byproduct of their income and market position. Meta spends a ton of money to continue to facilitate both. Money which is primarily spent within the US, be it for workforce, R&D, CapEx (data centers) and so on and so forth. This is basic economy, faggot.

>>63815910
>US companies
Wholly irrelevant when the factories are in foreign countries and employ foreigners.

>>63815766
>Americans benefit immensely from that economy
In the American's defense - they did not. Money flows ever-upwards unless you use politics to re-appropriate it and the economy is so fucked that gambling and scams are the only way to make money these days.
Even the people making big dosh as Influencers are just profiting from the scam that is web advertising.

>>63815922
And? It's in the United States' best interest to bring those countries back to the fold, instead of alienating them.

You are arguing that it's better for the US to act like a mentally unstable (ex) girlfriend, than a superpower. It's absolutely ridiculous.

My guess is that Trump couldn't find a way out of the trade war with China, and killing AUKUS is the way to return to the status quo.
I wonder what he will give the EU once he chickens out of that trade war as well.

>>63815918
>They can't.
Said multiple times about countries who accomplished those exact things.

>They can't.
They were doing just fine during the trade war.

>In this theoretical scenario, the US has gone into a war stance with China due to its attempt to invade Taiwan and embargo the US, so China is now cut off from world trade via the sea lanes. So this is another thing they can't do.
Land and air trade exist and when Japan and Korea are both willing trade partners it vastly oncreases how much the US has to control in terms of sea space

>This is how you know its a chink who can't stop hitting the hopium.
>If you don't want America to be dependent on hostile countries you're Chinese

>>63815748
>It's not like Europe would help America against China economically let alone militarily
Not with the current US behavior it won't.

>the first trade war with China illustrated that Europe would stab America in the back for China
You start stupid shit and then get offended at results. This "spoiled teenage girl psyche" is almost russia-tier crap.

>>63815922
>Imagine West Germany in the Cold War trading more with the Soviet Union than America
Sure, after USA has told west germany that it won't no longer be supporting it and has imposed aggressively detrimental tariffs upon west germany, making them unable to trade with USA anymore.

>>63815938
You don't negotiate with shitters getting uppity, Anon, you smack them upside the head and let them dive into the consequences of their actions until they come back around. There isn't going to be a settlement for countries that don't matter. They're being offered a seat at the table, but they have to want to take it. There isn't going to be any bribery or any redistribution of wealth and opportunity.

>>63815945
>spoiled teenage girl psyche
The irony of a euro saying this.

>>63815927
>Meta's valuation is a byproduct of their income and market position.
It really isn't. See the Telsa vs Ford example.

>>63815938
How? Spend more money they don't have in the desperate hope those countries will continue to trade with us for another decade before the pyramid scheme of the US economy collapses?

>>63815757
You don't even need Bernie or AOC, fuck them actually. You could get any random democratic governor like Gaywin Noobsome and even that would be a better choice and would win against the orange retard.

>>63815407
You don't understand the story so far then.
>Aussies need new subs because the ones they have are old as fuck and falling apart
>they look around at the diesel electric subs on the market
>US kind of pushes them to buy Taigei class boats from Japan to strengthen Pacific defense networks
>Aussies don't like the range, so they have an open bid
>France, Germany, and Japan enter
>contract requires a retarded amount of the work, including construction, to be done in Australia
>Australia has no infrastructure or workforce for doing this
>Germans and Japanese walk due to Australians not budging on their obviously unrealistic requirements
>France jumps through hoops to modify their nuclear class into diesel electrics
>project going slowly due to aforementioned unrealistic Australian requirements
>immediately falls massively behind schedule and massively over budget once the Australians realize what they actually have to pay to build the boats in Oz instead of France
>French try and get the Australians to just buy boats made in France
>Australians throw a fit
>Australian admiral flies to London and asks if Brits will help them build nuclear boats
>UK, who needs money for their own nuclear boats, agrees to help them
>Australian government full of nuclear fanboys, despite there being zero nuclear infrastructure in Australia
>UK and Aussies have to ask the Americans due to the reactor tech
>Americans say yes
>Australians don't even bother to tell the French, who find out about it from the news
>French loose their minds since this fucks over their main Naval contractor and the government (who own 2/3rds of it)
>America doesn't care (they just want money), Australia looks like incompetents (they are), the Brits are happy (they roped their old colonial rubes in to helping pay for boats)
>AUKUS immediately falls behind schedule and over budget projections due to retarded and unrealistic Aussie demands
It's almost as bad as the Canadians and their F-35 purchase.

>>63815789
>aimed at the mentally ill
That's not only the US political class, but a large set of society over all

>>63815942
I didn't think of that but the timing is right.
If China announces the rare earths are moving again within the next week then this was 100% a concession.

>>63815954
You need major economic reform to drive downward wealth transfer after 40 years of rapid upward wealth transfer. Only the democratic socialists offer that.

>it's another "euros seethe about Trump" thread
Weapons?

>>63815949
And then all of a sudden your former allies abandon you and you find yourself isolated and alienated, incapable of maintaining your current wealth, and then collapsing because your entire system was built on having all those allies on your side.
Very well done, anon. Your thinking is excellent.

>>63815952
>How? Spend more money they don't have in the desperate hope those countries will continue to trade with us for another decade before the pyramid scheme of the US economy collapses?
Yes, of course. You keep fighting no matter how desperate the situation is. You keep fighting until the bitter fucking end, if you have to.
If you won't, you might as well shoot yourself in the head right now, because that's all you're good for.

>>63815954
As a send off before this thread gets taken out behind the shed by the mods, Newsom is going to run and he is going to win the nomination. The current theater is proof. Live in fear, things are only just beginning.

>>63815945
>Not with the current US behavior it won't.
Not with any US behaviour? Look at Afghanistan, countries didn't have anything to lose by investing into the conflict and except for Britain and Canada countries only sent a pittance? You think if Germany is unwilling to lose 100 men over 20 years defending America that it will be willing to lose tens of thousands of men and trillions from its econony over a few years defending tangential American interests?

>You start stupid shit and then get offended at results. This "spoiled teenage girl psyche" is almost russia-tier crap.
God forbid Amwrica try to become less economically dependent on its geopolitical rival. Imagine if Europe in 2014 decreased oil trade with Russia to decrease reliance on and weaken Russia and the US decided to buy up Russian oil so Russia lost nothing econonically as oil prices rose in Europe.

>>63815962
US and CN reached a deal yesterday you low-info tard.

>>63815968
>Yes, of course. You keep fighting no matter how desperate the situation is. You keep fighting until the bitter fucking end, if you have to.
>If you won't, you might as well shoot yourself in the head right now, because that's all you're good for.
This isn't fighting, this is paying someone money when you have none in the hope that maybe they won't join in amd help beat your ass when you get jumped.

>>63815968
>Let us exploit you or well abandon you
Terms accepted.

>>63815969
Newsom would get raped in a national election.

>>63815830
>Well, there would be that benefit that rats would be first to flee from the sinking ship
No, they won't. Russia literally collapsed in 1991. The socio-economic collapse that followed was so bad that you can even start comprehending it. And yet at best 10 million people left the country, despite it would be easy for them to leave, despite having options on where to leave and so on and so forth.
So no, none of the scum would leave a collapsed murrica, because a) the shitholes which they left are still worse and b) people are way less mobile than you imagine. All of the migrants which moved into the US did so not because they wanted it, but because the US encouraged it.

>>63815973
I missed that will all the LA shit, so yesterday China says yes to rare earths and today Trump says no nuke subs in Asia.

>>63815986
>DoD reviews a project
>TRUMP DID THIS
tds.

>>63815986
Really makes you think.

>>63815982
Soviets did not have passports to leave, and in general had quite fucking shit global reputation for unknown reasons.

>>63815989
>Commander in chief has no influence on the DoD

>>63815949
>you don’t negotiate with shitters getting uppity
Except Putin. kek

>>63815979
>Newsom would get raped in a national election.
After this presidency? I wouldn't count on it. Newsom has no real values, man is a psychopath. He'll adapt to what is needed and he sees a window now.

>>63815992
>in general had quite fucking shit global reputation for unknown reasons.
So just like America

>>63815854
>spent decades turning no profit
Companies aren't people in a financial sense. Profit for them is strictly an accounting construct. Amazon generated money decades ago, it was just smart enough to aggressively reinvest it into itself for the future. A concept that modern americans seem to not understand anymore.

>>63815220 (OP)
Sorry, we'll sell subs to Canada instead. While wearing our "Was right all along" badge.

>>63815994
Op article literally tells you what's going on but, alas, you're a sperg obsessed with a steak salesman.

>>63815990
I'm noticing again.

>>63815879
>This is a hegemony with the US as the nominal leader, not an alliance.
If that's the high and low of your comprehension of the Cold War alliance system, then go on and tell the troops stationed in Europe to make a run for the capitals.
What's the worst that could happen?

>>63815999
His approval is underwater in California. No one in middle America is going to vote for him because they see what you see.
>After this presidency
Trumps approval just went up after sending in the Marines.

>>63815969
God no! Newsom is the only way to guarantee a Vance victory!
Fucking hell, Dems, give me someone to vote for!

>>63816006
Except for the countries also treading water from continued investment with no actual gain, which again is common.
If your logic that valuation = output was true than Tesla would make more cars than every other car manufacturer in the world combined.

>>63816018
>Being a dem
>On /k/
Ukraine and the tourists it brought in....

>>63815973
Trump says there was a deal. China says it’s still pending. The victory lap is premature.

>>63816007
Sorry frogbro, I wanted your subs made there all along just so we could have them fastest.
The worst part is the party that gave you the deal was the same that canned it so we can't even blame an election.

>>63816009
>One person familiar with the review said it was unclear if Colby was acting alone or as part of a wider effort by Trump administration. “Sentiment seems to be that it’s the former, but the lack of clarity has confused Congress, other government departments and Australia,” the person said.
So yeah it probably is directed from Trump

>>63815968
>Not understanding that the world has changed in the last 50 years this hard

Anon, the market is international now and the rich are international now. When taxes rise too much in a nation, they leave. When nations get poor in resources or tech because of the brain drain, they ratchet down taxes to attract the international rich.

Its not about a system of alliances or lines on a map anymore, its about wealth transfer and the flow of money in international markets. Its not about where the factories exist or who works in them, its about the flow of money in international markets.

More importantly, its not about what Australians think, or what Americans think, or what Chinese think, because the vast majority of citizens do not have wealth in international markets and simply do not fucking matter in (Current Year).

When America needs something for its war with China, international markets will make it happen. Chinese rich won't give a shit any more than American rich or Australian rich, they can just leave and go somewhere else 5,000 miles away from the war. National loyalties and what normal citizens think stopped mattering decades ago. Its not about what happens to you, and its not about what happens to me - the rich will continue pushing the dominance of the dollar because they have control of the dollar. They'll push it into a position of dominance over China because they don't have control of the Chinese government, but they will after its forced to cede its sovereignty to the international market, which they do have control over.

In short, everything is fake and gay, and everything will stay fake and gay. The fake and gay will increase until morale improves. Things will continue to be shit for poorfags everywhere, regardless of nationality, and the deals made between nations don't really matter anymore, because the rich everywhere have become international businessmen. One country is the same as any other. Only Dollars matter.

>>63816025
What Trump said is that their teams have worked out a deal and all that's left is for him and Xi to approve it. Jesus, you have so many opinions big you're so fucking low-info.

>>63815979
>Terms accepted.
Congratulations. Nuclear proliferation is now back on the menu, and we'll have a few dozen thousand more nuclear warheads just in Europe alone in a couple decades.
The United States will never again be capable of invading another country to further its interests, economical or otherwise, because any attempts at doing so will lead to nuclear weapons use.
Brilliant strategic intelligence. I applaud you.

>>63815978
>This isn't fighting, this is paying someone money when you have none in the hope that maybe they won't join in amd help beat your ass when you get jumped.
But this is not the current reality. The United States is not already defeated.

>>63816016
>Trumps approval just went up after sending in the Marines.
I do hate the air suckers I have to share a country with. The obese shits would have squealed like the pigs they are had Biden sent in the troops. May they all die from a lack of insulin.

>>63816024
>2016 were the real oldfags!
Get your nigger ass back to r/thedonald, you direction brained faggot.

>>63816027
>One person said a thing
And if it was based on the China trade deal it would be Bessent not Trump. You know nothing. Absolutely nothing about what's going.

>>63816016
>Trumps approval just went up after sending in the Marines.

How many points is it going to go up if he orders them to massacre the protesters?

>>63816031
>Chinese rich won't defend China
>But American rich will absolutely do everything in their power to benefit America when it needs it
LMAO!

>>63816034
>what Trump said
So what has Xi said?
Also
>LOW INFO LOW INFO
Find new material.

>>63815888
>96% of Chinese are homeowners
My brown friend, it's actually 90% and going down in urban part of the country, and it's not something good overall. The number was inflated because owning homes represented their retirement plans, which just caused a mother of all housing bubbles, with now many of those housing developers having trillions of debt, no income and the shit they've built is literally collapsing.
And btw owning a home doesn't translate to quality of life. After the USSR kicked the bucket many of the following countries allowed people to privatize the socialized apartments they were provided for free, so on paper you have high percentage of home ownership, but in reality the quality of life sucks, those homes are in places which degraded worse than Detroit, the homes themselves are shoeboxes when compared to typical single family US homes and so on.

>>63816016
>No one in middle America is going to vote for him because they see what you see.
They probably do not. That's what controlled narratives are for.

>>63816037
Terms sound even better now.

>>63816038
Go be a libshit someplace else.

>>63816039
t. Tourist.

>>63816031
>Anon, the market is international now and the rich are international now
The international nature of economies was used as an argument for why WW1 and WW2 both could never happen. How do you think that worked out?
>Its not about a system of alliances or lines on a map anymore, its about wealth transfer and the flow of money in international markets. Its not about where the factories exist or who works in them, its about the flow of money in international markets.
The flow of money is entirely dependent on the actual reality of industry and wealth on the ground level. Attempts to keep money circulating with no real value underneath is called an economical bubble. It WILL burst at some point.
>Chinese rich won't give a shit any more than American rich or Australian rich, they can just leave and go somewhere else 5,000 miles away from the war. National loyalties and what normal citizens think stopped mattering decades ago.
You're acting as if China wasn't a fucking nominally communistic (national socialistic) state, where these billionaires regularly get disappeared if they go against the system of power. Shows how much you know.
>In short, everything is fake and gay, and everything will stay fake and gay.
Based schizo nigger.

>>63816037
While it's bad for the US I for one dream of a world where every nation is a nuclear power.
It's the only way a level playing field can exist.

>>63816037
>But this is not the current reality. The United States is not already defeated.
It is absolutely the reality, our economy produces nothing, we rely on China for 100% of our rare earth minerals and our allies have proven again and again regardless of investment that they have no intention of aiding us when we are in need while at the same time chasising us for not aiding them in anything tangentially aligned with them. See: Euros bitching about America in Ukraine.

>>63816055
>Go be a libshit someplace else.
Go suck a boot elsewhere faggot

>>63816057
A level playing field is fucking retarded. Our entire existence is built on competition, on trying to be more competitive than others, to ensure your survival and the continuation of your genotype; your bloodline.
Enforcing equality is self-sabotage and a moronic, retarded, braindead, suicidal action so fucking stupid, that I can't find adequate words to describe it. You deserve all that's coming for you, if this is how you really think.

>>63815928
My brown friend, it doesn't matter if say Apple orders their CPUs manufactured in Korea on Samsung's fab or in Taiwan in TSMC's fab or even in the US on Intel's fab. The CPU and the value behind it is still american, it was developed by an american company and it will bring value to the american company.

>>63816055
Your entire life is buzzwords. Trumpcons are leftists in all but immigration.
Well, illegal immigration anyhow.

>>63816050
American homeownership rates are declining as well especially in cities and China at least has a robust construction sector unlike America.

>But muh tofu dregs
American construction isn't much better, especially for smaller constructions like single family homes.

>>63816045
>He thinks dollar dominance does anything to benefit America directly

It has turned large swathes of America into shithole-tier third world deserts full of browns, Anon. Pushing the dominance of the dollar does not necessarily do anything for America the geographical location or Americans the people, it simply ensures that the US Currency continues to control markets overseas. Chinese and American rich both have a vested interest in this remaining the case. Russian rich and Australian rich and British rich and French rich and German rich all have a vested interest in this remaining the case.

They're not going to give up money or curtail their profits even one inch to prevent their homelands from continuing to slide into shithole-tier. They didn't last year or last decade or fifty years ago, they're not going to next year or next decade or fifty years from now. They're simply going to continue looking after the value of the assets they own and move away from the shitholes until they die of old age. Nothing ever changes.

>>63815883
>Japan, Korea, Australia, and the EU would continue trading with China
No shit, why would all those countries align with the US after US proves that it's an unreliable ally times after time?

>>63816016
>approval up
Notably this is only on immigration. His other policies are still underwater.

>>63816031
>When taxes rise too much in a nation, they leave.
They really do not. Most of their cash is squirreled away in tax havens after flowing through optimized business constructs anyway and paying off politicians to leave all of that well alone costs them the equivalent of pennies. This is known.

>>63816042
You know the whole massacre at Kent State? Yeah, Nixon won the next election by a landslide.

>>63816065
Same mentaliy.

>>63815922
>The economic alignment with China is absolutely a geopolitical move against America
a) this is not true;
b) it did not happen;
c) it was caused by the US itself;

>>63816067
Except it doesn't benefit American citizens with those jobs and doesn't give America access to that infrastructure in times of crisis. I'm sure China will just agree to build ships for us and sail them to us across the Pacific if war broke out, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling rare earth minerals to Taiwan who they're invading so they can develop chips to sell to America.

>>63816085
It's reality. And it's exactly why Europe needs to arm itself against Russia, because it's factually how the world works.
The strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.

>>63816049
>Knows nothing
>Stop pointing out I know nothing
No?

>>63816053
Please run him.

>>63816063
>Suck boot
t. Democrat, enjoyer of covid lockdowns and gun bans.

>>63816077
Wait until the rate cut happens.
>It should have happened a long time ago
Amazingly, tariffs and removing a million illegals from the labor pool is deflationary.

>>63816073
They were never aligned with the US. If China nuked New York in 2016 nobody would have declared war on China. The first trade war illustrates that they prefer Chinese to American economic hegemony, fullstop.

>>63816060
>It is absolutely the reality,
Then why are you posting on 4chan instead of starving to death or fighting for your life?
Because it's not actually true.

>our allies have proven again and again regardless of investment that they have no intention of aiding us when we are in need
See, you're not even American, or you'd realize how incoherent this argument is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing_(Iraq_War)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Security_Assistance_Force

>>63816088
>This didn't happen but also America caused it
Good job proving how retarded you are.

>>63816091
>supports a president who wants to suspend habeas corpus
Unless this is a 5d chess move to prove to Americans that shooting at uniforms is sometimes necessary for liberty to flourish, then you’re a complete retard who views guns as a magic talisman that he has no intention of actually using.

>>63816097
It's euro and chink hours on /k/.

>>63815952
>It really isn't. See the Telsa vs Ford example.
It is. Tesla as a company costs more than Ford because it's less fucked than Ford in the long term. What's Ford even making these days for a regular person on the world market? No more Focus, no more Mondeo/Fusion, nothing. Shit, they've even stopped making a V8 mustang.

>>63816091
>Everyone who disagrees with dear leader is a democrat
"People" like you are why things have gotten they way they are, and why it's going to get worse. So do a public service and kill yourself.

>>63816103
>What's Ford even making these days for a regular person on the world market?
More total manufacturing than Tesla

>>63815758
>muh big words
Grow up. Trump shouldn’t cry like a putinbaby because he has the resources to stop genocide but couldn’t be arsed, and now people are mocking him

>>63816099
>Supports president who deploys the national guard when libshits try burn cities down.
Yes. Having the EBT-class (yourself included) burn down my town is not "freedom" and crushing them is not "tyranny".

>>63816092
Still waiting for that deflation, actually. When do the groceries get less expensive again?

>>63815220 (OP)
god fucking dammit I wanted those nuke subs so bad. I guess we torch pine gap and bend the knee to china now?

>>63816107
>Everyone who disagrees with dear leader is a democrat
He specifically said he wants to vote Democrat. He is thus, a Democrat.

>>63816115
They already have
>That why you stopped posting about the price of eggs

>>63816119
Given the 2 party system and the current GOP who else is there to vote for?

>>63815968
>You keep fighting no matter how desperate the situation is. You keep fighting until the bitter fucking end, if you have to.
>If you won't, you might as well shoot yourself in the head right now, because that's all you're good for.
That's what weak and sissified sheltered retards don't understand.

>>63816082

To be fair, Nixon didn't have a direct hand in Kent State. The National Guard were deployed (at the university's request) by Ohio governor Jim Rhodes. Similarly, the deadly outcome was the result of poor riot control training techniques that predated Nixon.

>>63816113
Look here you Trumpist bimbo, I’d like to be able to protest against the next round of Democrat gun bans instead of them just sending in the marines because Trump had a melty and suspended something useful because he wasn’t equipped to deal with a bunch of spic retards.

>>63816125
The current GOP.

>>63815417
a few years ago, australia handed over a billion or so to increase US shipyard capacity as part of this. what happens to that?

>>63816130
>Fellow gun owners please trust me
>It's tyranny to prevent foreign nationals waving foreign flags from burning down an American city

>>63816124
You’re the only one talking about eggs, faggot. The rest of us are concerned about the rest of the basket that you’re ignoring because it doesn’t give your fake daddy a “win”.

>>63816133
Only if you don't care about
>geopol
>trade
>debt
>the constitution

>this coming JUST RIGHT when the governor of the oblast of Amerika made a a big beautiful deal with chyna
Read between the lines.

>>63816143
The probably that you were egg-posting just a couple of months ago is almost 90%.

>>63816145
Dems destroyed all the things you listed, particularly the constitution and especially debt.

>>63816133
>WOOOOOOO ONE PARTY SYSTEM!
Actually kill yourself Maoist rat.

>>63816160
??????

>>63816150
I wasn’t, but please, continue to argue with the voices in your head.

>>63815972
>Look at Afghanistan
Well yes, if the US policy is like a retarded 20 year multi trillion dollars waste of money ego project with no clear goals or reason to even exist, then it shouldn't be a surprise that others aren't enthusiastic. Yet others still joined in. Shit, even ukies (country with no military or money at the time) sent men to your retarded sandnigger adventures, such as in Iraq. Only to then get accused of not saying thank you. Are you really advocating for this sort of policy?

>it will be willing to lose tens of thousands of men and trillions from its econony over a few years defending tangential American interests
a) containing china is in interests of many countries, not just the US;
b) others would gladly join in, if the US policy was sane and consistent;

>and the US decided to buy up Russian oil
It did. A lot of the shortfalls from the Venezuela oil industry fuck ups were covered by russian oil.

>>63816159
How did the dems hurt alliances and international relations?
When did they ignore the constitution?

>>63816159
Which party started decades of war in the middle east you lying faggot.

>>63816168
US policy is both sane, and rational and consistent. We've been bitching about trade and defence spending for 30+ years. Only thing that changed is the current POTUS is willing to do something about it.

>>63815992
>Soviets did not have passports to leave
Getting a passport post 1991 became trivial. People traveled a ton for business, e.g. buying up stuff abroad to sell in their country, but they didn't leave the country outright.

>>63816173
How much will the BBB cut the deficit or enable us to pay off the national debt?

>>63816170
When did Trump ignore the constitution?

>>63816172
Arab spring was under Obama you literal retard.

>>63816169
There have been very slight difference between them from ~1980 until 2024, now there is a pretty fucking big differnce.

>>63815992
>had quite fucking shit global reputation
Not really, a ton of companies in US and Europe gladly siphoned up the people leaving ex-USSR countries.

>>63816130
Just kill everyone south of Brown and the situation will sort itself out. Its not terribly complicated, its just that you're protecting the browns from the citizenry, rather than protecting the citizenry from the browns.

They're not citizens, no matter what the documentation says. There are no brown Americans. There are no black Americans. There are only people from other shitholes that our government has illegally sold citizenship to.

>>63815963
>Australians
>euros

>>63816179
1.5T cut to deficit spending.

>>63816180
>Obama as start of the mid east conflict
Haha holy shit, guy.

>>63815407
We can't risk escalation with China now that we are pivoting away from east asia.

>>63816187
>Know-nothing knows nothing
Shocker.

while this is probably a negotiating tactic by the current US governnment: If Australia has to get subs and fast, where are they going? Japan?

>>63816193
Japan, Korea, Germany, loads of countries to pick from (probably not France anymore).
They'd have to say goodbye to the prospect of nuclear subs though.

>>63816193
Oh they'll get subs fast. Chink's ones. For their own colonization, I mean.

>>63816186
And how much in tax cuts?

>>63816180
>When did Trump ignore the constitution?
When he:
>fire inpectors general
>froze congressionaly approved spending
>ignored a surpreme court ruling

>>63815220 (OP)
I really don't see how this works out in a positive way. You piss the Australians off, deny yourself naval infrastructure in the country, push them closer to China, and delete any incentive the bongs might have in the Pacific region. It's a catastrophic strategic error if the US is serious about countering China in the region.

>>63816201
It keeps the existing Trump-cuts in place. They would be expiring this year and the tax increase would have been the biggest single jump in US history. Do you know anything? Anything at all?

>>63816192
Jesus Christ, anon. You have no self awareness.

>>63816201
4.5 trillion

>>63816208
>>fire inpectors general
Allowed to do so
>>froze congressionaly approved spending
Courts haven't decided if he impounded anything yet.
>ignored a surpreme court ruling
Never happened.

>>63816019
>If your logic that valuation = output was true than Tesla would make more cars than every other car manufacturer in the world combined.
My brown friend, what do you not understand about valuation being tied to expectations from the future? Tesla costs more than Ford because Tesla sales actually grew these years, the company expanded. Ford is down for like 15 years.

>>63816218
Got it, you just ignore reality when it doesn't suit you.

>>63816210
I’m impressed. You lie like a Jew.

>>63816168
>US directly attacked
>We'll send you five trucks with drivers you're welcome

>A country bordering a country bordering a country bordering you is attacked
>Why aren't you doing more! You should spend at least $200 billion defending Ukraine!

>a) containing china is in interests of many countries, not just the US;
Maybe those countries should try doing that

>b) others would gladly join in, if the US policy was sane and consistent;
What would you do to contain China?

>It did. A lot of the shortfalls from the Venezuela oil industry fuck ups were covered by russian oil.
Wheb did Europe try economically weakening Russia by stopping imports?

>>63816037
>Nuclear proliferation is now back on the menu
It already is because of the US dropping the ball with supporting ukies

>>63816225
What's the problem? He is allowed to fire anyone in the executive, the courts have not decided on impoundment and as there is no order from SCOTUS compelling him they don't think he is in breach of their ruling.

I get that you may not like what I say, but these are the facts as they currently exist.

>>63816228
Where is the lie?

>>63816209
>if the US is serious about countering China in the region.
We are pivoting away from Asia and focusing on Europe.

>>63816239
Do you know anything at all? Anything at all?

>>63816241
Literally the opposite, retard.

>>63816241
The US is pivoting away from being a serious country

>>63816243
>That's a lie
>What is
>[Incoherent seething]
Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>63816060
>we rely on China for 100% of our rare earth minerals
You can get them from any other place, you actively choose to buy them from chinks because a) you are retarded and b) you are penny pinchers. You could extract and refine those minerals yourself, but you don't want to deal with the bullshit which is included with that. Or you could invest in extract that crap from ukies, which literally signed a deal about that, if you'd actually provide them with weapons to secure their territory kek.

>>63816037
>>63816231
The moment some random shithole decides to make nukes (good luck) US and Russian navy seal spetsnaz teams will be pulling kills streaks in their governments.

>>63816246
Because we're not subsidizing Europe at great cost to ourselves?

Submarines?

>>63816255
I feel silly

>>63816070
>American construction isn't much better
You are naive and retarded. Even the worst of the penny pinching bad modern construction in the US is nowhere near the levels of bullshit chinks do.

>American homeownership rates are declining as well
Well yeah, retarded policies do cause such shit.

>>63816256
Right, right. Like how Russia is building nuclear co operation with Iran.

>>63815320
Moar like AU CUL

>>63816256
What if it's not a shithole, but something like a joint French-German effort? And then Japan and Korea? And then Nordic Defence Cooperation? And then Iran too, somewhere in the middle of it? Then Kenya? And what's stopping some other country to joining in on the gravy train?

>>63816250
You seem to be under the delusion that I have to play nice with you while you act like a faggot.

>>63816089
>Except it doesn't benefit American citizens with those jobs
a) if you want those jobs in the US, invest into that;
b) most of the chip stuff isn't in China, but US aligned countries;
c) behaving like retards doesn't bring countries to the side of US;

>>63815220 (OP)
>FUCK UKRAINE, FUCK EUROPE
>HAHAHA SUCK IT EUROPOORS PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT
>MUH CHYNA BROOOO WE HAVE TO PIVOOOOT


What causes this level of mental retardation

>>63816258
>fuck over Australia
>seethe about Europe for some reason
You're a brain melted MIGApede and it shows.

>>63816280
Don’t bother. Trumpfags and Bidenfags have the same exact playbook.
>EVERYTHING IS GREAT AND YOU’RE THE PROBLEM!

>>63816283
>What causes this level of mental retardation
Being American

>>63816273
Threat of economic fallout, military intervention from superpowers, and voters scared shitless from the above.

>>63816093
>If China nuked New York in 2016 nobody would have declared war on China
This is how you LGBT+ faggots think about men being women kek.

>The first trade war illustrates that they prefer Chinese to American economic hegemony, fullstop.
My brown friend it was the US & Trump whom torpedoes the TTIP initiative and started a trade war.

>>63816296
>Trump is going to militarily intervene anywhere but the US
lol
lmao

>>63816296
>Threat of economic fallout, military intervention from superpowers
What economic fallout? What superpowers? This entire scenario is contingent on the US abandoning its allies and thus ruining its ability to enforce any of this pressure. It's exactly why the US alienating its allies is going to end up with nuclear proliferation, because everyone with any sense in them understands they HAVE TO build nukes to stay safe.
> and voters scared shitless from the above.
Scared more of foreign invasions than the above, since the above can't even happen anymore

>>63816108
15+ years of going down the tubes, simple as

>>63816309
Weird way of saying higher sales

>>63816308
You really think nuclear proliferation affects only the US and that Russia, China, and even India, would will stay idle while random countries on their borders are assembling nukes?

>>63816173
>US policy is both sane, and rational and consistent
The fact that you believe this is an indicator of either deficiencies in education or mental health systems of the US, probably both.

>>63816295
I just don't understand it.


They could have just said some shit like "look guys, we really need the manpower to kill some chinks so you handle Russia" and make mad Dosh selling weapons to euros, or just giving Ukraine ass loads of shit to kill Russians with. Everyone would understand and nobody would be pissed
Instead, they try the big swinging dick act, antagonise everyone except their geopolitical enemies, completely cuck out to Russia and suck Israeli cock even more.
Genuinely can someone explain this train of thought?

>>63816301
>This is how you LGBT+ faggots think about men being women kek.
The fuck are you talking about?

>My brown friend it was the US & Trump whom torpedoes the TTIP initiative and started a trade war
After Europe sabotaged the American trade war against China earlier that year

>>63816325
There’s a large percentage of failed men in the US who think that being loud and belligerent is being masculine and found a candidate who will cater to them while enriching his friends.

>>63816321
What the fuck are they going to do? You think some shithole like India can invade halfway across the world? That China is a superpower? That Russia could do anything? That any of these countries could stop half the nations of the world from building their own nukes at the same time?
Do you have any idea what it actually means to be a superpower?
If the US turns all isolationist and stops maintaining its alliances, while Russia is actively invading European countries and China might even go for Taiwan, there is not going to be any superpower to enforce nuclear non-proliferation. Everyone, at that point, will realize that building nuclear weapons is a fundamental requirement.

>>63816256
>The moment some random shithole decides to make nukes (good luck) US and Russian navy seal spetsnaz teams will be pulling kills streaks in their governments.
Nah, you are weak cucks, as proven by DPRK already and currently being proven by Iran.

>>63816280
>a) if you want those jobs in the US, invest into that;
Can't do that when other countries undercut American manufacturing and actively sabotage attempts to rebuild American manufacturing.

>b) most of the chip stuff isn't in China, but US aligned countries;
China refines about 96% of the rare earth minerals

>c) behaving like retards doesn't bring countries to the side of US;
Neither apparently does being friendly with them. If they wkn't be on our side either way I'd rather not bother courting them

>>63816336
As an American I'm 100% cool with this. If Russia nukes Germany to keep them from developing nukes I suggest we sell tanks and planes to each side in the ensuing war.

>>63816340
>other countries undercut American manufacturing
Maybe it's just because your companies are shit and lazy? E.g. Intel coasted on their monopoly for decades until it bit them in the ass.

>>63816346
We won’t even sell tanks and planes to the people currently fighting Russia. Sit your ass down and stop shaming our country.

>>63816314
a) you've just proven you are brown because you can't see things outside here and now;
b) ford makes less profits than tesla;

>>63816351
>Giving Ukraine gibs is the same thing as selling them tanks
Cash and carry, 50% markup

>>63816364
>You're brown!
We get it you're projecting. Shut the fuck up already.

>>63816367
>50% markup
With how high Rheinmetall stocks are going to go with this sort of stupid policy, they might actually unfuck themselves.

Can't blame Trump, he's pivoting from Europe. He's pivoting from the Pacific.
All so he can do the pivoting to America. But not in the way you expected. Now don't ask me how subs will be needed to wage a war over there, but surely it has its uses.

>>63816382
I doubt Germany will be willing to sell hardware to both sides. Either way demand raises prices.

>>63816425
Pivot from SA when?

>>63815278
There's plenty of uranium in aussieland y'knowwhatimsaying

>>63815574
>is Trump fucking schizophrenic?
He's a manchurian candidate.

>>63815962
>You need major economic reform to drive downward wealth transfer after 40 years of rapid upward wealth transfer. Only the democratic socialists offer that.
No way that'd ever happen in America. People sneer at you as soon as you mention welfare and workers rights.

>>63816336
NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR ALL. EQUALITY FOR ALL SAPIENT INDIVIDUALS.

>>63816483
>mention welfare
Because in murrica welfrare is gibs for niggers, while normal people can go fuck themselves

>>63816340
>Can't do that when other countries undercut American manufacturing
They do that by being poor, which is the agenda of the current US government.

>>63816521
We're already poorer than countries with more manufacturing.

>>63816517
Case in point.

>>63815318
>Why choose alliance with a completely unreliable, narcissistic partner, when you could join up with someone who might at least pretend to care about your issues?
>This is like an external reflection of the US Democratic party going out of touch with its voters.
holy shit, youre not "allies" you bring NOTHING TO THE TABLE, NOTHING

like Rome, you are "auxiliaries" who will simply operate our equipment and absorb political and economic damage for us, for the opportunity
simple as

but none of you are "allies" in any way, shape or form, because you dont have any added value, especially euro's and balts, who are mainly allowed to play along because of their geography, and nothing else

>>63815330
>So he really is just going to dismantle the hegemony in a single term?

your shrieking clown women are pathetic
>America "lose Hegemony"
over some defenseless, literally zero military euros/others?

european militaries are basically un-staffed and non existent any where but on "paper" where it says
>"we have x and y jet, and z tank, but only 2 of each! (no spares)"
who even takes this seriously?

>>63816560
>militaries are basically un-staffed
You mean the same as US, which instantly has to do stop-loss and use mobilize the national guard, even when dealing with non-wars like the grand sandnigger adventures in Iraq?

>>63816572
>You mean the same as US
lmao, nothing like the US, which is why europe sat at home and watch the piss talks unfold in hysterics, because europe is considered a serious enough actor to sit at the adults table

seriously, imagine having fucking estonia or the uk lip off to you at the negotiation.
da fuck lil kaja gunna do?

>>63816586
>which is why europe sat at home
When?

>AUKUS is stillborn
Lmao, what a shitshow.

>>63816572
Hey, the US is as of today doing a surrender monkey in the middle east so troops get back home, they're needed here.

>>63815727
>>63815733
>>63815473
>>63815478
Amazing insight into gutter-oil filled fantasies of flip-flop wearing thirdies. Couldn't be me.

>>63816655
>burger eating surrender negroes

>>63816655
>>63816572
Actually mindroken, must be all that pollution in your shithole making it hard to think.

>>63816606
>When?
here (pictured)

>>63815473
>The United States only manages to exist because of its network of alliances. The moment all these former allies

the US has no allies for the last time
we have vassalized auxiliaries

there isnt a single US "ally" that brings anything to the table we dont, or has any capability we "need"
US 'allies' are dependents we keep around for economic and cultural purposes

>>63815461
>At this point I wonder if anyone on the hill understands geopol anymore.

it seems like they actually do, and it turns out europe&the other vassals are so unimaginably weak military and repuation wise, there's no reason to even sink money in to retarded 'optics centric' projects like fucking lease nuclear subs for Australia

these nations are so 'un-serious' and so 'un-threatening' there is no purpose to engage in 20th century london style "state-craft' dogshit anymore
>history is over
AGAIN, and its a whole new 'world' now

>>63816703
>there isnt a single US "ally" that brings anything to the table
Nigger you do realize that the only reason US has military reach is because of allies providing bases and shit?

>>63815220 (OP)
>go to bat for the US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq (three times!), losing men and equipment
>punish our whistleblowers not because they told on our misdeeds but more because what they are saying will hurt the Yanks more
>Kept quite about what happened to those negro soldiers in QLD during WW2 and pretended that we didn’t see or hear shit
>allow the yanks to have a permanent signals Intelligence/surveillance base in the middle of our country that’s able to keep a constant eye on China/Eastern Russia
>allow not only Marine bases but the stationing of nuclear capable stealth bombers that they used to bomb the Houtis
>Buy largely their MIC’s equipment and also joined at the hip in joint developments such as HACM
>Barely complained when McArthur refused to share the credit for the reconquest of SEA and refused to allow Australian troops to help out in the Philippines
I don’t know why Israel gets to be called their greatest ally, they haven’t even done half the shit we do

>>63816733
>our (((allies))) greatest contribution is simply being a fucking parking lot for US jets and missile launchers
again, this is is why europe has no credibility in geo-politics

>>63815565
>vietnam war is protested because the public are educated
Educated by a system subverted by Soviets, btw

>>63815263
China is only of a threat if they do unfair trade. With proper trade agreements, threat is neutralized before it becomes worse

>>63816703
you fail to understand the fundamental value of this alliance to the US
the goal for the US is to keep the US safe and project it's influence
in the alliance framework the Europeans and others are in effect paying to keep the US safe and help it project it's influence. Just as the US pays to keep them safe and project theirs.
the moment the alliance breaks down both of them now have to pay more to get the same degree of safety and influence projection.
but it gets worse for the US.
Now the US has to face at worst one solid near or peer adversary. If NATO goes bust suddenly you'd have to account for the Europeans siding with china. So now you have to build up to deal with two near or peer adversaries at the same time.
This gains the US 0, but cost it having to pretty much double it's fleet.

But that's just the military part of it.
right now Europe is incentivized to help contain china because the more china grows the less the US can help them and the more they have to help the US.
The moment the alliance goes bust, why should they care? The chinese are a continent and two oceans away from them, they aren't a threat to them.

>>63815936
Is it really a scam if it keeps working?

>>63815263
Yes

>>63815668
>Be pootis
>Still worry about the money you owe putin
More likely than not after he killed off epstein he find himself unable to get his supplies of lolipussy and putin offer him fresh crops kidnapped from Ukraine.

>>63815220 (OP)
>no nuclear subs
>billions down the drain
i think i hate americans more than ziggers.

>>63816454
WE LITERALLY DIG IT UP AND SELL IT
BUT OUR GOVERNMENT WONT LET US USE IT FOR POWER OR PROTECTION

so fucking retarded
god i hate hippies
>nuclear is le bad because 3 eyed fish and le Chernobyl
drives me up the fucking wall

>>63815417
>foreign
australia is essentially an american puppet state you fucking moron.
actually kill yourself.

>>63816139
>what happens to that?
israel has it.

>>63817572
>American puppet state
>noguns.lol
Do a better job at running your puppet state you faggot

>>63817610
>doesnt understand what a puppet state is
fucking retard.

Taiwan is 100000% fucked

Any US """ally""" should develop their own or buy Yuro weaponry, cancel all the US MIC contracts

A review of AUKUS could've already happend earlier but it happening right after the Prime Minister and Defence Minister both gave a commitment to increasing spending the cold shoulder is a sign.

Surprsingly, this Trump administration has been consistent (for the most part) continuing Biden Era policies on the Indo-Pacific. Pete Hegseth's speech at the Shangri-la summit did reflect continuity.

Elbridge Colby, who is leading this review may be a self described AUKUS skeptic but even then says he can be open to AUKUS if it means more Submarines in the water.

I don't expect much from a review. It will probably see how AUKUS is going, if it's on track and how to make sure it's on track.

The real story is America will start putting more pressure on Australia to increase spending than ever before. Australia has always been pushed but it was never America's focus on its quest to 'fight free-loaders'. NATO is the big fish, yet when you have the NATO Secretary supporting the calls for more spending and Elbridge Colby praising NATO members like Sweden or Pete Hegseth calling Poland and the Baltic countries 'Model Allies', the same NATO allies who agree with more spending. Then pressure will be put on American Allies who haven't commited/supported that increased spending like Australia

>>63817921
>more Submarines in the water.
That is more or less the key point, its not any kind of stupid orange fuckery from the pedo in charge. The US needs reliable allies and it needs subs in this part of the world, it can get both here
But, you can appreciate the worry from a lot of people
>much big money
>lower on the list of priority
>anytime something you ordered takes more than 2 months to arrive must be a disaster
Just like the US and UK, our average citizen is a bit of a moron when it comes to complex issue, however I think we're in a decent place with the current politicians. They will need to spend more money on defence either way though, not just because the US asked, but also because its just needed to be done. We're pretty much the only south of the equator country that's big enough to be a regional power and not some kind of niggerfest of 3rd world corruption.

Apart from that sticking point, the movement to bring more stuff onshore, local industry development and other civil-security for power, water and so forth is heading in the right direction for proper statehood.
We need some higher degree of independence and nation building to start. Its more expensive, its often not as competitive as 'just buy it lol' globalism, but in a captive market so to speak, it can be built competitively when there's multiple manufacturers available for contracts.
>Will those have problems?
Sure, but so does everything more complicated than stacking bricks, if it didn't have any problems you'd worry someone was hiding shit

>>63818031
If you think it's bad now, wait till you start building one. The first in class of every submarine always has huge problems, and since it will mostly be a workforce that is not experienced with the special requirements in a shipyard that was designed in a whiteroom for the "expected" needs of the most complex thing any shipyard can ever build, those problems are going to be magnified.

>>63817921
>Submarines in the water.
ok but but 500 nuclear american subs in the water that launch from mainland america or Hawaii is worth less(strategically) than 5 australian nuclear submarines based in australia
and also building up multiple ports that are capable of refueling and maintaining nuclear subs.
australia has always and (probably even after being treated like actual shit by the trump admin) will always answer the call to fight any war america wants them to, no questions asked.
so to fuck australia over this much is insane.
america is only hurting itself.

>>63818109
Far as I know they where not going to be built here, we might have learned our lesson with the Collin's Class which took about 20 years of shakedown to finally work the kinks out
Australia was giving the US money to fix up its shipbuilding industry that had been lying out of the water gasping for decades as well before someone figured, better kick the cunt back in the water, its almost dead.

A lot of this stuff is also in talks right now so, we'll see

>>63815220 (OP)
There is constant re-valuation going on as economic and industrial structures, competencies etc. poop themselves across the globe. The US nuclear submarine industrial/military competency is large and unusual and its quite possible it was undervalued by AUKUS agreements given the current context, even if those agreements were only a couple of years ago. Have to pay more, get less, sorry.

>>63818144
From what I heard the preliminary plans were to either make a couple new Virginias for Australia or let them borrow a couple for however long it makes sense, then help Australia make a shipyard capable of building Virginia clones while the US gears up SSNX

>>63818161
I think there was 2 boats on offer, after that Australia's offer was some slips here capable of servicing and doing provender work. So either in Perth or Adelaide being the most-likely places for that and as best I can tell, that's a pretty good offer on the table as the Virginia's seemed to get a lot of criticism for being in port waiting to get sorted out more often than they're at sea- as the US industry was going fallow and not capable of doing all of them in any reasonable time period.
Big ticket, non-serviceable items in Aus like reactors and other stuff would still be done in the US

Its expensive but otherwise a fairly reasonable solution for all 3 parties if the poms want their subs down here as well 'just doing stuff' at any point in the future

>>63816065
Anon, humans in their most natural state as hunter-gatherers were obsessively cooperative and had a very flat hierarchy. Your whole worldview that we exist in a hierarchy is unnatural and colored by your political views, but that's okay, because everything humans do in modern times is unnatural except for fucking, shitting and pissing.

>>63816183
Interesting how you probably view yourself as a patriotic American, yet do not know that our constitution and the freedoms and rights it grants applies to everyone with the US universally. This is because once you start applying conditions like "only XYZ shade of whites have freedoms here" means that you yourself could be the next target of authoritarian faggotry. You retards always think that this will never happen to you, that the government will always kill and torture the melanin-enriched people you so despise.

>>63816065
You sound like a huge faggot ngl

>>63816133
>GOD BLESS ISRAEL

>>63818326
$5mil buys you citizenship now, which for a large amount of extremely scurrilous people, black, brown and otherwise kind of not white- is not a lot of money
Like there's probably quite a lot of south americans that have that kind of cash around after selling cocaine for a few years, a lot of jeets will have it because they never pay taxes and plenty of the middle east can hop on the US train.

I don't know if there's any security checks, the US congress doesn't know what to do about it. Which given their performance is probably not a shock to anyone

>>63818407
The stupidest part is that we already had the EB-5 Visa for rich dipshits that just wanted to flash cash and get in. But instead of throwing money into whatever black hole the gold card proceeds go to, they're required to invest directly into the American economy and create jobs for Americans.

>>63817565
And the liberals just killed any prospect of nuclear for the next decade at best. Can't believe the morons in charge of our political system.

>>63818424
'Theoretically' you invest 5m into the USA and Trump has a think about giving you citizenship
Which is sort of the same thing... except its a slush fund for whatever dodgy shit he's cooked up lately that an 80 year old man with no working penis, shits himself and blunders around the golf course like a sweaty oompahloompah for half a week, wants to do with money.

In the unlikely event I ever get to 80, just fucking shoot me
I don't want to be a burden and much less a chaotic mess in the world ruining it for younger generations

>>63818426
>Can't believe the morons in charge of our political system.
i can
i wish i couldnt, but i can.

when i was young i wished i would live to see world peace
now i wish to live to see my country not be impossibly retarded and corrupt.

>>63818426
I dunno why they went the way they did.
There are some practical and much cheaper alternatives to what they proposed which could have been viable, quick and are pretty much turnkey solutions. Then the whole thing ended up like two monkeys trying to fuck a football at the same time, like why was it so expensive, take decades and this is in an environment where its not a popular solution? There is room for some nuke power here, but not at the price, timeline and way they proposed it and it can quite happily co-exist next to other diverse sources of power.
Nothing wrong with a nuke and some solar farms
Fuck wind farms though, they are full retard

>>63818470
>There is room for some nuke power here, but not at the price
i think its worth it to have 1 and run it at a loss just to be able to grow a small but capable nuclear industry, because at least you can grow from there.
currently if we NEED to grow or have that expertise then we are fucked.
i think there is 1 small reactor that is used for medical use but that doesnt count imo

>>63815523
if the norks can build missiles and nukes, the emus can. their government is just being retarded for some reason.

nukes are the only way to stop your country being invaded by another nuclear power.

>>63815590
emus just need to make a small road mobile icbm and call it a day. build bases under the mountains in the middle of australia for them and they're all set.

>>63815960
Souryuu/Taigei have large crews, but are relatively small on the inside, meaning cramped quarters. This isn't a problem for the nips, since they're accustomed to having tiny-ass homes, plus the patrols are short, but it's 100% a problem for the aussies. Type 214 had the opposite issue: too little crew, leading to overwork. Shortfin Barracuda was the "not too hot, not too cold" option.