Alright fellas let’s settle this here and now. What’s yours opinion on the .32 caliber specifically for the purpose of concealed carry self defense scenarios? Of course it’s not 9mm and finding out it’s not as powerful as a .38 doesn’t help it any.

I will not answer your question. Now like .40 Short and Wimpy, .32 caliber will suffer with me. And then one day, you will make this thread again, and you will remember everything you saw and felt tonight. You will remember all the captchas of pain. And when you do anon... please, just buy a nine millimeter.

>>63822441 (OP)
Modern ammo helps but it's still a known inferior round.
What I want is a centerfire .22 bullet for max capacity and min recoil. Something which can be doublestacked in a pocket pistol.

>>63822441 (OP)
32 is based but not enough guns chambered for it

>>63822441 (OP)
>''What did you sa- Wait a minute, I only carry calibers I like.''

>>63822441 (OP)
.38 special and 9mm have equal stopping power.

I personally CC a gew88

I like the idea of a stacked up .22 getting off 20+ shots in one go. I held a nice compact .40 the other day and a compact kimber .45. I have been eyeing the Berreta Tomcat for how compact it is. If I had any more testosterone I would double up on the 92FS

it is better to have a gun on you then not every single day of the week. Every time I have had to pull out my gun on someone, they ran or got away. No sane person cares about the caliber when they see a gun pointed at them.

>>63822441 (OP)
Better question, which 32 caliber?

>>63822675
Anon this is pretty much the idea I had in mind.

>>63822735
>impligin

>>63822441 (OP)
Was good enoguh for germans, shame no lenyard

>>63822530
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>>63822441 (OP)

.32 acp is God's caliber

>>63822441 (OP)
my opinion is that .380 is a bigger number and sounds cooler, so that's what i carry.

Chambering a Glock in 32 ACP +p+ with a 30 round magazine would be glorious.

Classic straight blowback .32acp guns can still put holes in people, but modern short recoil double stack .380s outperform them in all possible practical roles with equal or smaller size/weight.
Way down at the edge of what is ergonomically viable for a tiny gun, you can fit .380 into that size, but for the recoil sensitive, it may be a bit much. With those priorities, that's where a [short recoil operated] .32acp gun is conceivably still the very most practical option, particularly light recoil even in a seven ounce gun you can barely get your ring finger on, while keeping the power appreciably above .22lr.
But individual preferences and circumstances are very important, so if you've already got one and don't care too much, inherited a pallet of ammo, it's all you can get before you expect to need it, or you fall in love with a particular gun, and it's a .32, by all means, go with that.

>>63823204
EH, you sure? P32 is lighter and thinner than the lighest and thinnest 380

>>63822441 (OP)
All the .327 revolvers I've seen have 6-shot cylinders about the same width as a 5-shot .357. I wish someone would make a 5-shot .327.

32acp is fun to shoot. Who cares about muh stoppan power?

>>63822441 (OP)
I don't have it because my old hard drive ate itself, but there was an Atlanta mortician who kept track of what calibers took multiple shots to bring the victim down and which ones were one shot stops. It's been awhile, but he said .44 and .45 were outliers, hardly ever saw them. .357 Magnum actually seemed to be the best stopper, but out of the remainder, .22, .380, 9mm and all the .32s, he said against someone wearing light clothing, .32 seemed to be more lethal than 9mm and .380.,

>>63822441 (OP)
My honest opinion
>it shoots a lot nicer out of super small guns than .380
>almost universally decried by a plurality of anecdotes as insufficient for self defense
>"ok, but we all know what they said about 9mm so mayb-"
>statistically fails to stop attackers almost half of the time no matter how many times you shoot them
>a trend shared by .22lr and .25 acp
>anything .380 and up fails 10-15% of the time
Im not saying that it definitely wont work, but its clearly and objectively a shit choice, only contrarians, retards, and the uninformed think differently.

>>63822735
I like .32-20, 3.8gr of hp-38 and a 120gr lrnfp has some ass to it. (that's what they cast at for me they're supposed to be 115)

.32 acp doesn't impress me, as a retarded 21 year old I had an accidental discharge and bounced a 71gr fmj .32acp off the thickest part of my femur near point blank it may have been the glancing angle but it didn't do much other than superficial muscular damage

also don't shoot yourself, the initial shot doesn't hurt the adrenaline and shock takes care of that. The recovery hurts like a motherfucker though.

>>63822441 (OP)
bullet is bullet. bullet in bad guy is the single best thing.

>>63823264
The poster went by "deadmeat" IIRC, it was proven to be a larp like a decade back or more.

>>63823284
where are you pulling AAAAAAAAALLLLL this bullshit from?

>>63823300
Greg ellifritz for the stats, plurality of anecodtes is one of those "you actually expect me to link 25 random shooting reports and SME opinions" sort of thing. Cant be assed.
>https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
>% of people who were not incapacitated - 40%
>- What percentage of people were not incapacitated no matter how many rounds hit them

>inb4 its actually just as goo
Prove it then

>>63823308
its only 25 people, look at the 22s stats being "better" than 32. Somethings wrong with this study

>>63822441 (OP)
I carry .22 revolver as a pocket gun and even managed to use it on seld defence (couple coon trying to mug me before they scurry like hell at the sight of a pulled out gun).

Most of the time the mere sight of a gun is enough to keep intruders at bay

>>63823217
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/kel-tec-p-32-vs-kel-tec-p-3at
The size difference exists, but is negligible at under 3%.
The weight difference isn't so negligible, 20%, but the first paragraph was about classic straight blowback 32s, which a P32 isn't, and the second paragraph was meant to not equate weight, only size, but by bringing up seven ounces when contextualizing how reasonable it is to go so weak to achieve acceptable recoil for sensitive shooters, I suppose I technically did.

>>63823204
>inherited a pallet of ammo

>>63822441 (OP)
.32 H&R is a good caliber but expensive.

>>63822441 (OP)
.32 H&R Magnum and .32 Long are goddamn comfy.

>>63823308
> I also believe the data for the .25, .32 and .44 magnum should be viewed with suspicion. I simply don't have enough data (in comparison to the other calibers) to draw an accurate comparison. I reported the data I have, but I really don't believe that a .32 ACP incapacitates people at a higher rate than the .45 ACP!
Actually read your sources next time.

>>63822441 (OP)
Ive only got a .30 super carry so far, but i plan on getting a .327 mag and .32 acp

The Bjork Stalker shot himself in the mouth with .38 special. I remember it making a cartoonish bump in the top of his skull and not even penetrating. Do I want a round that barely matches up to something that barely killed someone point blank? That guy was a fuckin weirdo man. TWD.

>>63822441 (OP)
It doesn’t suck and can leave decent wound tracks
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwJFgfdJDU
Out of a slightly bigger gun like PPK it’ll clock over 1000fps and pace 380 but with extra shots
>>63822998
Based?
I split mine into small caliber EDC and big bore for when i need more

>>63823284
9 has a less than 50% success rate from a strike to head or chest while 32 is 72%

Capacity is only thing saving 9

>>63827417
With a sample size that small, you're drawing conclusions?

>semi rimmed
into the trash compactor it goes

>>63828116
Hows about you semi rim me instead?

>>63822441 (OP)
might as well carry a .380 ACP imo. comes in similar guns, similar if not same capacity. i think what's more important is having fluted bullets. seems to increase performance in every type of test.

gun > no gun
if carrying a larger gun is a deal breaker for you, or you don't like how .380 guns handle/shoot then .32 is your gun

>>63822441 (OP)
>32 ACP
better than throwing a rock
like a centerfire 22LR, so weak that using FMJ instead of hollowpoints is sound advice
but virtually everything thats in .32 ACP is also in .380 ACP or 9mak which is better, but tiny .380s kinda fucking suck to shoot and the .32 would almost make sense if the ammo wasnt more expensive
>.32 H&R magnum
almost decent for self defense, but all the revolvers chambered in are cheap as fuck and need their chambers polished if you want it to be reliable for carry
>327 fed
kinda loud. but same deal as above, all the revolvers actually chambered in it are cheap as fuck and need their chambers repolished
>32 super carry
9mm but more expensive
kinda fucking retarded
12 rounds of 32 SC instead of 10 rounds of 9mm luger is not the same advantage as 6 shots of 327 instead of 5 shots of.38 special

>>63822441 (OP)
.32 ACP ball consistently meets FBI penetration standards. It's no better or worse than any other pistol caliber. It pokes holes in people and hopefully buys you enough time to get to a rifle or run away. Which is all any pistol can be expected to do.

>>63822511
its called fiveseven

>>63828332
no one makes a compact for it

>>63828337
no one you say?

>>63829002
I sort of want this gun, if nothing but for fun. How accurate is it, would it make a good plinker?

>>63828337
PSA Rock has a compact model, though that's still bigger than the PR57

>>63822441 (OP)
All the .32's are proud of .327 fed because it mogs 9mm.

>>63823322
Failure to stop rate being that high is a trend shared by all "mousegun" calibers in the study. Its no coincidence that the only calibers inherently lacking in adequate penetration share such a similar rate of failures to stop at all. Considered as a whole, calibers which fail to achieve adequate penetration is a sample size that would be well over 200.
>>63826362
The source is the data, not the opinions of the author collating it.
>>63827417
Easily and reasonably explainable by the different uses of the calibers, on the statistical level. There'd be a natural selection bias for pocket guns to be used at closer ranges, skewing accuracy in favor of the round. A more than doubling in the rate of failure to stop at all is much more concerning than an increase in one stop shots. An increase in the one shot stop rates AND failure to stop rates is even more concerning.

>>63829011
NTA and never seen one in person, but iirc the feedlips are plastic and fragile. I'd wait to see if a Gen2 comes out that fixes this.

>>63822441 (OP)
>Alright fellas let’s settle this here and now. What’s yours opinion on the .32 caliber specifically for the purpose of concealed carry self defense scenarios?
it assasinated a US president but it took him says to die

>>63822568
spitzer converted?

>>63829237
.327 Fed Mag is the final boss of .32 cal
>>63829314
>The source is the data, not the opinions of the author collating it.
You should read his opinion because he's trying to clue you in. Look at this chart - is .32 the most effective handgun caliber for stopping a threat with one shot? Because that's what the exact dataset you're referencing implies. This is the problem with small sample sizes, especially for something which has SO many variables like shooting skill, sensitivity to recoil, angle of the shot, circumstances of the shooting, etc.
>Its no coincidence that the only calibers inherently lacking in adequate penetration share such a similar rate of failures to stop at all.
You are correct in that a lack of penetration is an issue, but that just means that you need to pick ammo that prioritizes penetration. .22LR, .25, and .32 can all penetrate adequately with the correct ammo and .32 projectiles are a lot closer to .38/9mm (only a .047" difference in diameter) than they are to .22.
>Easily and reasonably explainable by the different uses of the calibers, on the statistical level. There'd be a natural selection bias for pocket guns to be used at closer ranges, skewing accuracy in favor of the round.
Way too many variables to actually confirm any of this, you're going far out on a limb with that one.

>>63828100
That’s the same study he used to claim 32 fails half the time… but the same study says provided you land head or chest shots 32 works almost 75% of the time while 9 only half the time
>>63828232
Even out of a 2 inch gun hardcast swc defensive loads do good tissue damage and penetrate deeply https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwJFgfdJDU
Out of a 3.3 like a PPK or Beretta 70 they clock over 1000fps and resemble 77gr 32 mag.

22 fails to meet fbi penetration standards and jams like crazy and needs heavy triggers bc rimfire

>>63822441 (OP)

>>63829237
>>63831820
327 fed mag is based and i want one