Many seething Australians on /k/ have been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.

Let me start by saying I'm actually fairly pissed about this. Singapore isn't a trusted ally that we know is going to defend F-35 design secrets and they're way too close to China's sphere of influence.

In all seriousness, perhaps we could protest our concerns to the American military. American Anons can protest in DC, or in the downtown of their city, or by their closest military base or recruiting station. At the same time, the rest of us can begin the social media campaign to prevent these sales. The PLA may already have stolen the F-35's secrets, but we won't just let the military hand them over 12 fucking planes. If enough of us protest and if we are loud enough, they will hear, and at the very least, other Americans will hear. More people must know of the Chinese menace.

What would probably work to stop delivery would be to tweet at Trump, Hegseth, Musk, MGT ect. that Singapore is taking delivery in 2026. The bad PR might make them cancel as it's only 12 planes and not a lot of money.

>>63823926 (OP)
You could offer to pay double for each jet they would sell to singapore, that way you stop this. It's a big beatitiful solution

>>63823926 (OP)
kill yourself spammer faggot

>>63823926 (OP)
>Many seething Australians on /k/ have been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.
It was one post made by me. I'm the Aussie that pointed out the US will replace the F-35 in 20 years while we'll be using it for the next 60+.

>In all seriousness, perhaps we could protest our concerns to the American military
HAHAHAHAH, we are a puppet state at the best of times, with MAGA no one will give a shit.

The harder you shill this shit the more I'm convinced China actually doesn't trust Singapore and fears F-35s being so close.

>>63823926 (OP)
Bro wtf, the F-35 has like 400 miles combat radius, limping in subsonic at Mach .9 at like 40,000 ft since it's draggy as fuck and has very high wing loading.
It's a strike plane to drop JDAMs on towelheads while dodging soviet era vaccum tube SAM systems.
Australia is 3000 miles away from china, whatcha gonna do with that toy? lmao.
Meanwhile china is zooming around at 60k ft at mach 1.8 in J-36 lobbing 300 mile ranged PL-99's at you.
Do you think an F-35 launched AMRAAM has anywhere near enough energy to climb 20k ft and have any range left? lmao.

>b-but muh stealth
>b-but muh 5th gen
>b-but i skipped physics and don't understand
>IMPLESSIVE IMPLESSIVE IMPLESSIVE IMPLESSIVE IMPLESSIVE

fucking copelords.

>>63823926 (OP)
You've posted this thread dozens of times and the copypasta probably hundreds of times over the last six years.

>>63823926 (OP)
>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.

I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.

>>63823926 (OP)
I find it somewhat hilarious when Australians whine about other countries passing on secrets to the chinks after the cunts sold an aircraft carrier to China back in the 1980s and former RAAF pilots are being investigated by AFP and ASIO for training the PLAAF

>>63823987
Bugmen must be absolute retards for copying it then.

>>63824004
>HMAS Melbourne
>launched in 1945
>sold to chinks as scrap in 1984
Yes anon, major security risks right there, they must never learn of mechanical computers.

>>63823987
Maybe but trying to end the Singapore deal is still a decent idea

>>63823998
I agree and I'll never understand why Trump approved that sale in his first term.

>>63824004
I can't speak for all Aussies but for me it's just about not giving classified hardware to somewhere that allows the Chinese navy dock access. Singapore is practically in China's back yard and is a very small nation. Much of it's economy is based on trade with China as well. If the CCP makes threats then Singapore may fold.

It's like right before WW2 the Brits put a state-of-the-art radar station in Belgium. If they do get the jets what's stopping China rolling in and taking them?? I'd be thinking twice about it unless Singapore can guarantee China won't get their hands on them

>>63824016
It's latest refit was in 1979.

>>63824016
They took the flight deck off and used it for landing practice. They learned how to build catapults by dismantling and reverse engineering the ones they got on Melbourne. Australia did more than any other country other than Russia/Ukraine to advance Chink carrier tech

>>63824028
And she was gutted before being sent.
The only "risk" was it being such an innovative hull design.

>>63824031
Source? All I can find is the last refit turned it into a chopper carrier which would imply no arresting gear.

>>63824031
>Australia did more than any other country other than Russia/Ukraine to advance Chink carrier tech

Arguably Australia did much more than either Russia or Ukraine because the only useful things China learned from Varyag and Kiev/Minsk was what not to do when building an aircraft carrier. The actually useful stuff like the cats/arrestors that's going into Fujian and the newer carriers is what they learned from Melbourne

>>63824038
>The ship was not scrapped immediately; instead she was studied by Chinese naval architects and engineers as part of the nation's top-secret carrier development program.[3] It is unclear whether the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) orchestrated the acquisition of Melbourne or simply took advantage of the situation; Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong, a staff member at the National Defence College, has stated that the Navy was unaware of the purchase until Melbourne first arrived at Guangzhou.[168] Melbourne was the largest warship any of the Chinese experts had seen, and they were surprised by the amount of equipment which was still in place. The PLAN subsequently arranged for the ship's flight deck and all the equipment associated with flying operations to be removed so that they could be studied in depth.[164] Reports have circulated that either a replica of the flight deck, or the deck itself, was used for clandestine training of PLANAF pilots in carrier flight operations.[3] The carrier was not dismantled for many years; according to some rumours she was not completely broken up until 2002.[151] A 2012 article in Jane's Navy International stated that the large quantity of equipment recovered from Melbourne "undoubtedly helped" Admiral Liu Huaqing secure the Chinese government's support for his proposal to initiate an aircraft carrier development programme.[164]

Thanks Keating

>>63824073
Well shit, yeah we fucked up.
Doesn't mean the US should fuck up too.

>>63824073
lmfao strong Sempill mission vibes with this one. I'm keeping it in the pocket for when the next time some Ausfalian spams copypasta about Singapore and F-35s

>>63824087
See above, we fucked up that doesn't mean the US should too.

>>63823926 (OP)
>>63823976
Can't you guys buy or develop anti-ship missiles and underwater drones? Also, keep putting pressure on and bribing those island neighbors of yours, including New Zealand. Their jets won't be a problem if there's nowhere close to base them.

>>63824087
A lot of the Austalian whinging about this comes off as having less to do with fears of China (since they themselves are a leaky sieve in this regard >>63824004) and more as sour grapes that the F-35 is inevitably going to proliferate among other countries in the region with whom the US wants to work with to contain China or sinply to stop them from buying Chinese or Europeans. If not somewhat friendlier countries like Taiwan, the Philippines and Singapore, then to more non-aligned ones like India or Indonesia (which would be the main concern for Australia)

Shitcunts are just mad they won't have a monopoly on penetrating their neighbors' airspace with impunity like in the F-111 days. Get fucked faggots, you don't dictate US policy

>>63823926 (OP)
the current admin are traitors
they only care for their own interest and will sell out and betray to china as they have to israel and to russia

>>63824112
If the trend of the US turning on its allies continues, Australia is probably going to reconsider its security posture. The current posture seems to be about slotting into place alongside allies in pursuit of East Asian stability. In the halls of power and national policy it's now clear that that the US is exiting the world security stage - which had been the signaling for over a decade but is now becoming very clear, and Trump doesn’t factor into it. It was actually in 2022 when the US failed to to come to Ukraine’s aid militarily did everyone in the upper echelons took notice of the fact of the US’s retreat from the world’s security guarantor is essentially complete. Everything that’s happened since has been a clear signal that this is the way things are now (ie a shooting war breaks out between Israel and Iran and the most the US does is help Israel defensively a little — meaning no one else can expect help at all). Long story short, the US will not intervene militarily in any Chinese adventure in Asia. The USN’s readiness is far below target. USMC was not able to complete its restructuring due to the new landing vessels not being purchased. The DoD defines “winning” in Asia as doing Freedom of Navigation Operations (ie sailing through international waters). So now Australia will have to ask itself if its security posture is still the right one, and they’ll probably change.

This is why we have the stupid psuedo-indonesian threads every time Australia does a military exercise with them. We have been panicking about this since '22. We are supposed to be forming the good boy club with Japan and South Korea, but it's fucking difficult given we don't have the clout to stop those two arguing.

We should have formed a small coalition of a couple brigades each and enough air power to defend them and fought in Ukraine. That would have bought us more time because even the hint of us working together would have the Chinese shitting their pants.

>>63824112
Sounds like Australians expect to have an exclusive greatest ally relationship like Israel does with QME, except that they're actually culturally Anglo like Americans and not a thin layer of Jews with inlfuence embedded in US institutions and they've actually pulled their weight in American wars unlike Israel, so in this case the US does have an actual obligation

>>63824007
NTA but the difference is Australia's airforce is heading towards being all F-35s whereas China has several different types.
And CHYNA can make it themselves and export it.

>>63824189
Australia already gets highly preferential treatment compared to virtually every other US ally except for the Bongs under the US-UK MDA. An agreement like AUKUS would never have been made with a non-Anglo country.

This does not extend to giving Australia a veto on exports of equipment to other countries if it is in the US' interests.

>>63823926 (OP)
>Many seething Australians on /k/
Not a single Australian cares, I get you don’t like Singapore for whatever reason but don’t rope us into your SEA autism, fuck sake.

>>63824276
I’m Australian and I hate them, mainly cause they are majority chinese and see them as suspect

>>63824019
That’s been my whole argument about not trusting Singapore
Which makes certain retards in this thread seethe

>>63824112
BULLSHIT! No other Asian country that's getting F-35 is even close when it comes to risk. No other F-35 buyer country has this many ethnic chinese. There's no way you can enforce tight enough security in that hostile of an environment. Best case scenario they only steal sensitive technologies, but more likely is that they fucking sabotage everything.

>>63823976
Singapore has no need for F-35 fighters. The value lies chiefly in being able to compromise the technology to the PLA. Singapore is a sanctuary for Chinese billionaires & PLA spies. Not to mention the entire country was built and financed with CCP resources. If a foreigner is born in Singapore the Singapore govt will immediately grant 3 citizenships to mainland Chinese to maintain the race balance. The big 4 families that built Singapore were all CCP members.

My experience with Singaporeans is that they are barely more trustworthy than Mainland Chinese. The 4 qty order is a giveaway:

1 for the PLAAF labs for study
1 for their own labs for study
1 for sending on exercises with international "allies".
1 for domestic use to "show" the taxpayers.

Nothing good will come of this.
>t. Shitposting Ausfag.

This the same butthurt Malaysian faggot as usual?

>>63824287
>>63823926 (OP)
Australia wouldn’t have to worry about China building up its navy if it pursued friendly relations with China. I don’t understand why so many Aussies see China as an enemy. Is it a holdover from Cold war propaganda making boomers think that communists were going to sweep all over Asia and Oceania?

>>63824337
Someone post the Utipia clip

>>63823926 (OP)
It’s zog so obviously they will try to get white people killed and undermine their countries while making money. Australia just hasn’t figured out the US is their enemy. Be interesting if they do figure it out, they’re not in nato maybe they’ll join China’s side. That’s what I would do