Thread 63824812

Iran must be regretting not taking the J-10CE deal with PL-15E's and KJ-500. At least some IDF F-15s and F-16s could have been shot down in BVR during their air raid like the Indian Rafales, Su-30 MKI, MiG-29. Instead of whatever this is...

better yet would be J-35A
but it looks like Israel is running circles around Iran not just conventionally but also when it comes to intelligence, doubt it would help much
Iran should really accept defeat at this point, it's just sad watching them getting humiliated over and over again

>>63824812 (OP)
>Iran must be regretting not taking the J-10CE deal with PL-15E's and KJ-500
China would never sell aircraft (or any military hardware) to Iran. They are too afraid of U.S. sanctions.

>>63824897
>running circles around Iran not just conventionally but also when it comes to intelligence
I don't think Iran had much of a chance either way. Israel has been saying for weeks they'd attack, and Iran were total bitches and could do absolutely nothing to stop them

>>63824905
They literally offered the J-10CE, yet It was Iran who chose to decline the offer and chose the Su-35s which will never arrive.

That's not how air combat works, like, at all.

>>63824942
>They literally offered the J-10CE,
Source on that? Why would they turn down a superior aircraft, especially when Russia went to war and abandon military exports for more than 3 years now?

>>63824937
>Iran were total bitches and could do absolutely nothing to stop them
They're old, tired men who no longer have the balls to fight. Even the houthis put up a better show

>>63824951
Because of lack of "range" for protecting Iranian airspace and the fact that Iran looked down on Chinese military hardware. It is well known that Iranians have still a mentality that anything that the west > east, despite their "official" stances of their leadership. This is why they're in the situation where they are, all because of the "westaboos" that still exist in their leadership who have studied in Western universities. Thus why they still don't have nukes and are getting rekt left and right.

>>63824812 (OP)
It wouldnt have made a difference lol

>>63825012
Shooting down even a single jet would have at least made good propaganda

>>63825030
Like i said, it wouldnt have made a difference. As in it wouldn't be able to do that.

Blind Russian worship will fuck a lot of countries over. A lot of nations have lots of Russian hardware that are shit and will continue to get even shittier since it's not like Russia is in any position to provide them with upgrades or maintenance, even software upgrades are not on the table. All this nations are Chinese/Russian allies too, so them buying sub-standard hardware actually just hurt China and Russia. All because Russia has been trying to shut China off from the global arm markets. Russia itself would have greatly benefited if they had actually bought chinese hardware to fill in the holes in their doctrine before 2022, like drones and electronic warfare. But nope, Russia STRONK, so almost everything had to be domestic, cannot be seen buying even a single chink weapon system.

>>63825012
>>63825053
What do IDF's F-16s and F-15s have that Rafales don't that would prevented them from being nailed by PL-15E from BVR?

>>63824974
>"westaboos"
Also obsessed with getting the latest stuff. It must be infuriating for people trying to help them like the Norks.

>Iran: We need a Gatling gun
>Norks: We have one right here, we have had it for almost 50 years
>Iran: No, it has to be a copy of the US one
>Norks:.....Um, bro this technology is American, it's been solved for 150 years
>No, it has to be a copy of the latest US one
>What are you even going to do with it, you don't even have AA mounts for them....
>Iran: Anyway we need to spend decades making a shitty Stinger copy
>Norks: Wait, we have HT-16s right here, they work fine...
>Iran: No, stingers. Shitty copies of obsolete early generation stingers. BTW, we need ATGMs
>Norks: Bulsae-5 bro, 16k+ range, fiber optic with top attack, oh yeah!
>Iran: Nah, thanks for the offer but we are going to spend tens of millions to copy this half century old TOW
>Norks: Oh fuck this.....

>>63825133
And that is the flip side of it. "Russia strong' delusions until one day someone notices that they are buying Iranian drone technology and Korean artillery.

>>63825160
F35s that got there first

>>63825160
>>63825171(me)
Competent pilots and command and control systems

>>63825164
Yeah, Putin would probably give his left nut to buy some chinese jets and anti-radiation missiles and SHORAD, but china can't sell them much for fear of sanctions. Russia could only have bought chinkshit by bulk before the 2022 invasion, but they didn't. Not even for reverse engineering.

>>63825160
Oh (same guy btw), and mossad was on the ground already apparently and offed their sam network from within iran. That's a factor too for sure. I guess you could call that shaping?

>>63825185
I think aircraft are a pride issue for them as well.

Stuff like Saheds, Koksans ect can be brushed off as either expediency, friendly donations or something unique (by Russian standards) but aircraft are another matter. Most of that stuff Russia could make themselves (Koksan barrels: doubt) but aircraft are sign of national technological surrender.

>>63824812 (OP)
Iran kinda deserves what they go desu.

Their elites still LARP as aryans and have some irrational hatred/arrogance towards non-whites, including China, and keep believing in US promises on sancitons relief, only to get baited and betrayed and bombed.

China has multiple times tried to get Iran into the multi-polar boat, but Iran somehow was too racist to take the hand stretched out to them since they keep trying to become the West's darling again.

Fuck Iran. They really deserve what they get. I just hope that they end up a failed state like Syria or Lybia and not some unified polity that is pro-western, as this would be worse for China and Russia. At least as a failed civil war shithole, China and Russia could still carve out some buffer zone.

>>63825211
Most Russians probably already know that they are a paper tiger and already beaten. Putin is likely begging Xi to sell him as much shit as China can get away with. But there's no way China will risk sanctions to sell much. I have seen plenty of Russians complaining about how China is just sitting on the sidelines instead of sending or selling them jets, even the most hardcore nationalist must know that China has already surpassed them in aerospace domain and almost everything else really. The only thing Russia has left over China is maybe nuclear submarines.

>>63825217
>turdies already dumping iran to shill new china stronk narrative

>>63825211
I don't think China would be willing.

>>63825217
What?

>>63825254
China can sell you anything if you pay the right prize. They can help you set up an entire factory line in your country if you want to. They did sell Saudi Arabia ballistic missile technology, they're not gonna blink over 4.5th gen jets.

>>63825250
China also isnt stronk in this particular field, as their elites are also too much pro-western and dream of champagne, caviar and hookers. Only difference is that Mao back in the day did the right thing and exchanged tens of millions of starvation deaths to nuclear sovereignty and left the leaders who came after him with the foundation of an independent superpower.

No, the only one who is Stronk is North Korea. They did the right thing and never negotiated, only pushed on and on until they got the nuke.

>>63825269
Sure, but both China and Russia view each other as an enemy. China couldn't give less of a shit about Saudi Arabia, but about a rabid dog straight on their doorstep? Nope.

>>63824897
>Iran should really accept defeat at this point, it's just sad watching them getting humiliated over and over again
I think they'll have to. I wouldn't bet on them doing anything meaningful in response, oil price runup totally unwarranted it'll go back down when everyone realizes Iran has been completely checkmated.

>>63825276
Every nation who borders China is preparing for the possibility of fighting them. You would think that they would at least want the third most powerful one to be dependent on them and aircraft would be the way to do it, especially since of the other two one more or less ignores airpower and the other buys from the west.

>>63825265
Google "Iran before Islamic Revolution". This is what the West promises the elites and urban people of Iran in exchange for delaying their nuclear programme.

For turd-worlders with a delusion of grandeur, these mental images of returning to the elegant western palace halls for dinner parties is just too strong.

They will never be like Kim Jong Un, or like Mao, who shit on sanctions, have their own people starve to death by the millions, but achieve nuclear weapons capacity and lay the foundation for true power and security.

>>63825276
Both Russia and China have nukes, they won't invade each other. Selling Russia some mid tier hardware doesn't mean much when both of you have nukes. It's not like China is selling them their 5th gen jet or AEW&C. If I'm not wrong, China has actually tried to sell Russia some hardware before, Russia refused of course.

>>63825316
You are jewish

>>63824812 (OP)
>>63824897
Okay, chang.

>>63825316
The Shah kinda screwed them, they expect to just pay for things instead of working for them and the one time they got into a hard fight (Iran/Iraq war) traumatized them. China and Korea have a ridiculously long history of sacrifice and hard work that Iran doesn't have, the fact that Mao and Sung underwent significant personal danger and hardship helped them alot.

Iran is also building on a long pre existing cultural history, Mao could remake things to fit his vision and Sung invented everything from scratch.

I wonder if at some point Khamenei will see the dust covered Farsi translation of pic related on his shelf, flip though it and realize he should have read this shit decades ago.

>>63825375
indeed.
The bad part is, you wont even save human lives like that. Sure, you never underwent the Great Leap Forward, or the 90s era starvations of NK, but once your country turns into Lybia and Iraq, these millions will still suffer and die a painful death.

It is better to spend your lives on achieving nuclear capabilities and independent military industrial complexes than to lose the same humans to the consequences of not having those.

>>63825375
>Ok Supreme Leader, there are 67 pages to these warhead blueprints and 67 volumes of the collected works of Sung. You get one page per volume.
>TAKE NOTES! YOU WILL BE QUIZZED!

There, i fixed Iran.

Have Iran air force got Su-35?

>>63825398
Absolutely. Libya is a huge tragedy due to how badly the Great Man Made River Project has been damaged, it was (is?) a massive positive accomplishment. China and NK even sell it to their people that way and they mostly agree; the sacrifices were worth it.

Iran just isn't willing to put in the work, they are the nepo baby posers of the dictatorship club.

>>63825401
have you tried google

>>63824897
>better yet would be J-35A
Too implessive.
Also, it would immediately get scouted out by yet another Iranian that was bought out by Mossad, bugmen can't afford more humiliations than Russia.

>>63824812 (OP)
Yesterday F35s of the IAF showed total dominance. Do Americans brag? No.

We are not the same. Chang.

>>63825448
brag about what?
smashing old ass 70s era air-defense?

China can brag, because their shit shot down the best the West has to offer for non-NATO members: The Rafale.

USA can brag about F-35s shooting down what? F-5s? Not even?

>>63825475
I hope those 50 cents were worth it.

>>63825475
>Coping and seething

>>63825475
>chink shill cant shill event
>better downplay it
I cannot wait for the dam to burst desu

>>63825316
>Google "Iran before Islamic Revolution". This is what the West promises the elites and urban people of Iran in exchange for delaying their nuclear programme.
Not possible with the current regime though. They don't promise them shit. The regime doesn't even want it. That's why there was a revolution in the first place.

>>63824812 (OP)
Even if they did iran has the same problem of egypt and russia, shit intelligence. You can have the best aircraft in the world but if its on the ground when the enemy is attacking is useless

>>63825185
>for reverse engineering
It still takes a large industrial base to make even copies, and Russia just doesn't have that. Not to mention something like the J-16D, where I'm sure you could give Russia the entire schematics and recipiec for composite air frame.. and they STILL wouldn't be able to make it

>>63825250
This really is 9/11 for turd worlders. Iran was their anti-zion messiah, meant to strike down Israel and all of globohomo would shut down.... global south is running out of heroes

>>63826232
Iran suring Suleimani's time was based. One guy single handedly led to the defeat of the US occupational forces in Iraq and Iran's extensive network of proxies in the region.

After his death, everything went downhill. Iran electing a pro-western stooge was the final nail in the coffin.

The axis of resistance really needs to recalibrate and China knows it, hence which is why it is now cutting loose India in BRICS and fully turning Pakistan into its version of Israel.

>>63826256
>defeat of the US occupational forces in Iraq
Things that didn't happen

>>63826272
turning Iraq into an Iranian proxy and dealing the US heavy financial and political damage in 10+ years of chaotic occupation was a net-benefit for Iran and a net-loss for the US. There is no other way to put it.
It's like as if Japan or Germany turned into a communist country allied to the USSR/China after WWII despite the US being the main occupational power kek

>>63824812 (OP)
??
Israel claims zero air-kills yet. Bringing a better plane to a non-existent air-battle doesn't make you win any air-battle.

>>63826288
>turning Iraq into an Iranian proxy and dealing the US heavy financial and political damage
This also didn't happen

>>63826288
If Iraq is an Iranian proxy, why did they let the Israelis just fly through their airspace uncontested?

>>63826288
>turning Iraq into an Iranian Proxy
Who could forget the classic Iranian proxy activity of *checks notes*
Gunning down Iranian proxies

>>63826368
This is a classic global south belief. Iraq, Syria(under Assad), Jordan, Hezbollah, and Hamas are simply waiting for the order from based Iran, and they'll wipe out Israel for good. You'd think the last few years would have put an end to the fantasy, but they're not known for their logic

please explain this chink poster to me

>>63826368
Iraq simply has no capability to contest anything

>>63825160
Better ECM support

>>63826489
Are you sure? I don't think know why everyone here dunks on the SPECTRA

>>63825250
Unironically better be a chink than get raped into the stone age

>>63826489
Rafales' SPECTRA is better

>>63827387
>>63827257
Hindus didn't have it

>>63824812 (OP)
Implessive.

>>63827387
My dad works at Dassault and my other dad works at Boing and I can confirm this.

>>63826399
He's an upper-midrange autistic.
He externalizes all of his personal concerns and frustrations to "The West."
For whatever reason, he cannot bear to look inward, or to look in the mirror.
So instead of self-improving or making local connections irl, he chatters into the void here, spilling misinterpretations and misattributions.

The J-10 is the sexiest plane alive and /k/ will never admit it because of boomer neocon sinophobia, its like the love child of a rafale and sukhoi and just like in humans a french-russian mix makes my pp hard

>>63828037
the j10 looks like an f16 that lived on plastic rice

>>63825160
The ability to be attached to competent forces, that can actually get the jets off the ground before exploding.

>>63828037
The J-10 is just an obese Lavi.

>>63826272
It was a victory for Iran considering the US plan was always to ride from Baghdad to Tehran. They turned Iraq in to a quagmire and scored a strategic victory.

>>63825275
>The society of starving peasants who worship a dynasty of god-kings is good bc they never "sold out" and built a nuclear arsenal that just guarantees they will be genocides if they ever get in a shooting war with the US.
I know tankies tend to be unreasonable but this is nuts.

>>63828037
It's not even the sexiest design in the PRC hanger.

>>63829885
I like that plane simply because it looks like a toy I used to have.

Is the nork cocksucker pretending to be like 5 different people?

>>63824937
>Israel has been saying for weeks they'd attack, and Iran were total bitches and could do absolutely nothing to stop them
But I think the Iranian military top brass got complacent thinking Israeli would hold off while the Trump nuclear talks were underway, which is why so many ended up dead in their homes rather than at military bases or nuclear installations

any reason why Israel has not sunken that wacky drone carrier?

>>63831745
It continuing to exist is a larger embarassment to Iran.

>>63831745
Because is
1. Trash
2. Other side of iran

>>63824897
>better yet would be J-35A
Honestly yeah, I agree wholehearted.

Even in Current year the Draken is leagues better than any Russian garbage that's been pumped out. Prettier too.

>>63825133
Tbh, I am more and more of the belief that Soviets really knew what the fuck they were doing (excepting the occasional fuckups that come inevitably from running a huge organization), with their doctrine being making good but generally worse shit than what the West had in enormous quantities, but Russia, being strapped for cash, tried to go with the 'quality over quantity' approach, but their new expensive boutique shit somehow ended up being worse pound for pound than what the Soviets would've mass produced

>>63825448
Wtf do you mean?
Officially, the Chinese didn't say a word about the Rafale shootdown

>>63828037
The airplane, whatever it may be, exists only as a frame onto which missiles and radars can be mounted.

Which the Chinese seem to have made excellent versions of.

>>63826288
>>63829722
You two tankie fuckwits don't even realize Mossad and other Kike Kommandos are launching operations into Iran from Eastern Iraq lmao

>>63826399
I think there's at least two, one of them is obviously norktard, who is a resident North Korea fetishist, and therefore appropriately retarded. Most people just ignore him, at this point.
Any others in the thread, pick your poison between /int/, /hist/, /pol/, and /leftypol/ tourists, or even a whole, real wumao (they're actually rather rare here).
International warfare fuckeries bring tourists to /k/ - and tankies among them - like nothing else, double that for Middle Eastern fuckery even tangentially involving the US or Israel, and then *exponentially* increase that if it involves Israel and Palestine/Lebanon/Iran. Never believe the "i OnLy HaTe ZiOnIsTs" shtick, JOOOS make people fucking mald and pathologically incapable of self-control, regardless of whether you think rightfully or wrongfully.

But the other anon earlier is also correct, expect far more thirdie simping for China now. I and boatloads of anons called it when Russia's invasion went tits up:
>Tankies will go down the flowchart of mascots among the thirdie shithole powerplayers from Russia, to China, then to Iran
Only difference is Iran shat the bed before China.

Things will get truly funny when China stumbles and tankies find themselves having to gargle Maduro's nuts lmao

>>63828037
>The J-10 is the sexiest plane
That's what happens when you rip off a sexy, Jew'd-Up delta-wing F-16.
>/k/ will never admit it because
it's hilarious make sinoids seethe over everyone mocking their stolen pride and joy.

>>63833770
>implying the 3 weeks of chink spam after 1 rafale shootdown was organic
kek

>>63829978
Yes.
He's a tankie. They take to subversion like a vatnoid takes to male rape.

>>63826232
>global south is running out of heroes
It's genuinely funny. BRICS was supposed to be their vanguard vs the west but then it never got to the same level of cooperation as the EU and was even less relevant than CSTO was and now each of the supposedly strong members barring China is getting it's shit kicked in.

>>63834194
>I think there's at least two, one of them is obviously norktard, who is a resident North Korea fetishist, and therefore appropriately retarded.
Norktard is retarded, but he's based. He doesn't sling insults and stands his ground in arguments. He's got a good head on his shoulders, even if he uses it the wrong way. Norktard, for all his faults, is a net positive if only because he's got a niche he knows well, kinda like the mesoamerican anon at /tg/.

The various chinkshills, the legit ones, can't do debate aside from shouting about trannies and other blemishes to the West's face, because they can't actually debate the results of the Chinese military, because the Chinese Military doesn't have as shiny a record as they'd like and can't refute their faults short of propaganda and prototype military equipment.

>>63834194
>>63834516
Please do not associate me with any pro PRC posters, i may be a obsessive spaz but i don't have literal brain damage.

Nothing could save Iran. They could have been flying F-22s and it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. It’s a comically corrupt peasant kingdom of low-IQs, it does NOT have the organizational, institutional power to protect itself against Israel, period. That requires a lot of well-established, well-run, well-trained systems working in harmony and that’s beyond a country like Iran.

>>63829978
>>63834271
I despise Russia, Iran, China and the like, also i'm very pro Ukraine and a huge Trump supporter. I have no real interest in LARPing, i think the DPRK is interesting and nothing else beyond that.

I fucking loath tankies.

>>63825375
>China and Korea have a ridiculously long history of sacrifice and hard work that Iran doesn't have

Iran under went mass starvation famines in WW1 and WW2.

Iran got invaded by Tamerlane who massacred entire cities and the Qajars did the same when unifying Iran.

>Iran is also building on a long pre existing cultural history, Mao could remake things to fit his vision and Sung invented everything from scratch.

The Shah's father Reza Shah literally force westernised Iran, ripping veil off women's faces and forcefully severed the link with Iran's pre modern psst.

Shah Mohammed Reza then forced land reform (white revolution) in Iran.

Iran's entire culture changed with the Islamic conquests (their entire writing system changed to Arabic and there is zero connection between medieval Persian literature and Achaemenid era Persian literature)

The Shahmameh reads like a warped twisted fanfiction of Sassanian and Achaemenid era history, it bears no resemblance to actual history or Old Persian literature.

It was a white person who deciphered Old Persian language at Behistun.

This is while Chinese have a living connection to 3,000 year old Zhou dynasty literature (Book of Odes etc.)

In short you're full of shit.

Iran is far more of a blank slate than China when it comes to cultural baggage.

>>63825398
>>63825414
>>63825275
Mao was the one who started the talks with Nixon.

Israel launched their airstrike from US controlled Iraq, masquerading as US fighters. Even if you give Iran F-22/F-35, they won't be able to do anything because the risk of bringing US into the war, which is exactly what Israel want.

>>63824812 (OP)
The bugs would not risk having their j-10s get annihilated by the far superior F-35s, it would not be implessive.

>>63834775
>>63834579
why not? chink can out produce anyone retarded enough to fight them

>>63836193
But itd be chinesium

>>63825160
Well for starters, they aren't flown by poojeets.

anything "advanced" this is sold to Iran will end up being compromised. Mossad has had the country sewed up tight for decades. theres like 200k Persian jews in israel and many still have lots of links in iran. plus the unpopularity of the current regime. the chinese would never risk selling the Iranians any of their good stuff. we already saw evidence of israeli personnel on the ground in iran able to conduct FPV drone attacks and mark targets, they surely have probably thousands of local iranian contacts assisting them in some capacity.