>Russia and China competing for a large share of arms exports to non-western aligned thirde countries
>Russia psyoped themselves and the world into actually thinking that they were an actual military superpower and the 2nd most powerful military on earth, stronger than China
>A lot of countries actually decided to buy Russia hardware and equipment over Chinese, despite Chinese hardware being both better and cheaper, purely because "RUSSIA STONK" and the enduring soviet legacy
>Russian arm sales were a lot higher than China before 2022
>2022 happens, Russian hardware is revealed to be a paper tiger, and now Russia can't supply more weapons, or even maintain or upgrade their customer's existing stock
>Alot of thirdie nations are now stuck with shitty Russian equipment
>To add insult to injury, Chinese hardware is usually cheaper than Russian hardware

How the hell did Russia convince the world that they were stronger than China and that their equipment was better before 2022? Even during their actual superpower soviet days, electronics and software was always their weak point that they made up for with good mechanical engineering. And from the 90s onward, people should have known that electronics, software and electronic warfare was going to be the future of warfare.

So instead of going for the largest electronic hub in the world and the 2nd most advanced software ecosystem in the world, nations choose Russia, who can't code their way out of a paper bag. I think most nations are regretting this already, with the recent global tensions and the chances of hot wars actually happening.

Hell even Russia suffered from this. In 2022, they only used their shitty domestic drones during the start of the initial invasion. Who knows how much better the initial push could have went if they had bought a shit ton of chinese drones and other chinese weapon systems to make up for their existing weakness in SEAD and electronic warfare before the sanctions put a stop to it.

>>63825011 (OP)
the west "feared" them
and by that i mean they fearmongered them so they'd get money to launder

Dedicated liars always end up falling for their own lies.

>Buy equipment from Russia
>Their equipment sucks and fails in combat
>Decide to do business with China
>They end up scamming everyone as per tradition
>End up going back to Russia
>Repeat

>>63825036
You get what you pay for. And the PLA won't scam another nation state, bad for business. Just don't buy from shady private companies and you're good

I think racism is unironically a big deal. Chink=bad. Russia=white=good

>>63825036
That's what the French are for.

>>63825097
Yeah, to sell you a system with roughly the same capabilities but for 4 times the cost

>>63825011 (OP)
no matter the failure, a chink shill will come sperg about how china wouldn't let it happen to them despite having the exact same conditions

>>63825011 (OP)
Russia's sales have flatlined since the war. Even if they had the spares to produce much its all going into Ukraine and getting blown up by western milsurp and drones.
In terms of 'why' Russia had a position is multi-faceted
>Thirdies already trained in soviet doctrine
>Doctrine says you need X-system here
>We have that system
>It was cheap
>It was plentiful
>A monke can use it

Plus for the most part its sort of generational increments, they're not redoing something all over again to the extent that your 77IQ truck driver can't work the TEL for an S300 vs the same thing for an S400 and the rest is some training manuals for the package. No real training, here's the shit, you figure it out and no refunds.
That does work for the thirdies, no strings attached, probably no complicated sparing or software updates. Just the shit on the can does what they said it would do like the old soviet junk was supposed to do and they aren't really having any clauses like don't shoot civilians or your neighbours with it, no fucks given, cash down and turn the key.
However
Its no longer cheap and plentiful, its a bit expensive and really just not very good with fuck all training, support or providing a lot of actual value
Still has some value, but maybe not what they charge for it

>>63825021
Nah, it was manufactured fear since the west needed a boogeyman to justify their military purchases. They tried to make China the next big threat but it only halfway succeeded since China isn't falling for their bait and is just building up their nation instead of being world police, which unironically makes them a bigger threat than before.

>>63825289
I think it's safe to say that we know that at least chinese drones work well, considering that both Ukraine and Russia still uses them heavily. Which is already a big deal, considering just how important drones are in ground combat.

>>63825085
>Russia=white

>>63825463
That's just a jeet mercenary

>>63825463
tbf, they were still emptying out the villages of undesirables when this footage was taken

>>63825473
>>63825479
So their hope is to be left with only the two major cities? Grim. Last time I was there, "white" represented maybe 1/3 of the population.

>>63825489
Always has been

>>63825473
The indians are russians damn it!

Europe and the US, will fight shoulder to shoulder with Russia against China before Gen Z gets boomer.

The war in Ukraine is a mistake. This war will cause regime change in Moscow. This war shall be cursed by our childeren as a mistake Russia made because one man and his covid isolation quirks.

You don't fuck with borders when you have a dragon biting your tail. A pragmatic KGB agent should've known better. Shameful

>>63825571
>This war will cause regime change in Moscow
The serfs will not abandon their tsar.

>>63825617
The career of Putin tells a different story. He thrived during the 90s in Russia

>>63825664
He doesn't seem all that worried. "To the last Russian" is working.

>>63825036
Confucius say: Squirrel who run up woman's skirt will not find nuts

>>63825571
>A pragmatic KGB agent should've known better.

That's what you get for drinking your own koolaid and accidentally ending up believing Dugin's schizophrenic manifest destiny rants.

>>63825698
The last holy czar wasn't worried either. The communist sang the internationale and *poof* Gone it was, centuries of decorum, knowledge, culture and soul.

Dugin can believe Russia is a part of Asia, it's does not make it true. Russian literture, architectur, philosophy and rocket sciencen is European. Every Russian you meet thinks and fucks European. This war is a disgrace. This war is a sad joke. This war will kill people who belive they are above Russia

>>63825302
>It was cheap
This is a big one. Russian arms deals almost unversally involve the government as central negotiations party, and they're often willing to sell extremely cheaply for political and strategic reasons. With the chinks, it's generally the arms industry that takes the negotiations lead, with the CCP itself basically only being there to give or withold their okay on political grounds. The result is that chinese sales tend to be more profit-centric and they'll end up demanding more money or economic concessions.

>>63825786
>centuries of decorum, knowledge, culture and soul
...dude. Tzarist Russia was just as much of a hellhole, if not more. They managed to put up a shiny facade for a while, just like the Soviets post-WWII, but underneath it it was just as rotten and backwards if not moreso.

>>63825786
>centuries of decorum, knowledge, culture and soul
lol
lmao even
rotfl, if you will

>>63826020
>>63826026
Well, I happen to think the Hermitage in St. Peet is worth saving. It's beautiful and a part of us. I don't care about oligarchs.

>>63825571
>A future in which the West can go to war with China but with millions of Russian troops who will unquestioningly die on the (far) Eastern front for us while we supply equipment

Hey it's just WWII again, nice

>>63825781
Too bad the explosion didn't catch him like it caught his daughter.

>>63825011 (OP)
Same reason why people think China is zero threat to the US. Once a country gains a reputation for something (Chinkshit), it will take decades or generations for perceptions to change even if the actual change occurred much faster.

>>63825067
>And the PLA won't scam another nation state