Thread 63826639

I want a good sniper rifle for this distance, suppressed. For the money, should I be looking at anything else besides this setup?
>Tikka T3x 6.5 Creedmoor
>Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44
>whatever is the hot suppressor in stock that will work

I know I can go more expensive and Gucci, but I also don't want it to be so damn heavy. I want to be able to hike this thing around, hence why I'm not going with something like the 5HD 5-25 which I do have on my bigger rifle.

I add Bergara, wanna go with the HMR Pro in 6.5CM HB with a Arken EP5. My gun club boss told me to get a Howa 1500 action, but market support is smaller than R700 footprint

>>63826639 (OP)
The Bergara B14 HMR in 6.5C with Arken EP5 is babby's first setup as >>63826691 recommended.

That said, do you have consistent access to somewhere that you can regularly shoot 300-1000y. I dropped over $2k into a ~600 yard .308 build and approximately 99.5% of the rounds fired from the rifle have all been from 0-100 yards :(

Good place to ask, it seems.
I got a McMillain M40A1 stock for free and would like to use it as a base for my first precision rifle. It's got a Rem 700 footprint and I know that market is super saturated. For someone wanting to do a first build, what's a solid receiver or barreled action to use with this stock?

>>63826764
Bergara heavy barrel but get the premier Action.

Bergara in a decent lightweight (note: not ultralight) stock will definitely be the way to go imo

Not familiar with Bergara. What does it have over the Tikka? I like the Tikkas for the smooth bolt action, definitely shoot under 1moa and the adjustable triggers are really nice.

>>63826639 (OP)
>>63826639 (OP)
Believe it or not, a Savage 110 Tactical. The accutrigger is pretty darn good, and despite being inexpensive Savage bolt guns are known for accuracy.

Also, if you reload you can turn many cheap rifles into precision rifles. I met a guy at the range who was testing a ton of 6.5 Creedmoor handloads. He found one combination that consistently shot sub 0.1 MOA groups. I watched him shoot 3-shot groups of ragged holes over and over off a sand bag....with a fucking Winchester XPR.

I like Vortex scopes in the mid to mid-upper price range, and for those sorts of ranges more power is better. 25x. More magnification lets you see your shots better and helps cut through mirage. The EBR-2C reticle in MRAD is great - learn the MRAD system. It's also essential to get precision matched rings. I personally only use Seekins Precision mounts/rings, and the high end Vortex rings used to be made by Seekins but I'm not sure anymore. Don't cheap out on the mount/rings. There are a few other great companies.

>>63826827
Fit and finish on the bergara is a bit nicer than the tikka. The stock is much better as well in my experience. They're both excellent rifles out of the box or as a base for blueprinting if you wanted to go that route. The bergara edges out the tikka in accuracy (again, just in my experience) and fit and finish

>>63826639 (OP)
We live in a time where we are almost squeezing .300wm performance out of .308. Id go .308. 6.5 good though. Stocks on b14s are better but i like the t3 action slightly more.
>>63826852
>savage
>vortex
Ignore this poster

>>63826857
Thank you. I'll take a look at one. This is a build/rifle I probably won't pull the trigger on until the end of the year or next year.

>>63826886
I'm pretty dead-set on 6.5. I already have three guns in .308, and found that shooting in the mountains that even within 400 yards the .308 would be all over the place due to wind. 6.5 is much better at that, along with less recoil. I'm not hunting deer or elk with this thing so 147gr 6.5 will do. I only have one 6.5, a SCAR 20S, which I absolutely love, so yeah definitely want a bolt boi one now.

>>63826886
>Ignore this poster
Says the anon who also says
>we are almost squeezing .300wm performance out of .308
>Id go .308

We've got a real long-range genius here, guys.

>>63826886
Full fucking retard. 300WM and 308 are not even the same species shit for brains.

300-1000
308
30-06
7mm mags
30 mags
Everyone is going to recommend some millimeter or millimeter and a half in some short fat cartridge and start talking about harmonic vibrations and uniform powder column burn...
None, and i mean none of the fuckheads on this board from what I have read could even come close to achieving what a stock rem 700 or mod 70 can achieve with the rifles preference in factory ammo.
Now come the guys with a rifle locked into a led sled firing 100 yard groups with 10,000 setups bragging not realizing that a shooter can achieve the same moa with a 400 bolt action and factory ammo.
1000 yards? Its going to be a lot easier if you put some zip on something with some weight. If you aren't recoil shy try one of the 7mm magnum. None of that short shit. If you are recoil shy just use the 308.

>>63826639 (OP)
>For the money, should I be looking at anything else besides this setup?
>>Tikka T3x 6.5 Creedmoor
>>Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44
>>whatever is the hot suppressor in stock that will work
No actually, that's a totally sold PRS setup, except that I think you're overpaying on the optic side. Unless you've already looked through the glass on everything and really set your heart on that, I'd definitely consider starting with one of the value brands like Athlon, Arken, Element, or Meopta. Manufacturing has massively improved in the last 10 years, 5 years even, and they're unironically good. I don't think it's worth jumping right to a $2k scope on that rifle, unless of course you're buying it from a rangebuddy or used or something and get a solid deal. Get a decent mono mount.
>suppressor
On a bolt you don't need to worry about flow through or anything like that, you can go traditional with best value for the money. Anything 30cal will be fine, 6.5 suppresses better then 308. Pew Science is probably the best objective data, go to their rankings, select 308 super, order it by noise for the shooter, and then go down the list until you find something that isn't retard expensive (highly diminishing returns). Like, the Polonium 30 is still an awesome value, solid perf for around $500, or the Jolene or Lahar 30L both have decent performance and are more but not the one thousand plus fucking trumpbux a lot of those companies want.

Granted anything is better then nothing, and everything in the top 30 or so there is going to be pretty similar in how they sound with differences mostly being about size/weight. But the difference between first and last is actually getting significant and since you can something decent for not stupid money worth at least considering.

>>63826886
>We live in a time where we are almost squeezing .300wm performance out of .308.
If you're gonna compare some out of spec hot high BC handload 308 then you should do the same with 300wm (where it's more common too), which puts 300wm about the same as 300prc (which is effectively "how everyone handloads 300wm in 2025, made standard with a few qol improvements").

>>63826958
>I'm pretty dead-set on 6.5.
You are correct. 308 is of course still fine, but there's no advantage in a brand new bolt at this point unless you've got a shit ton of reloading you want to keep doing for it.

>>63827352
300wm has a shit neck.
308 puts high bc/sd bullets in the powder column.

The CVA Cascade looks super compelling, so do bergaras. Nothing wrong with the T3X if you want lightness over everything.

Can't really find any flaws with your plan besides the Leupolds are really not worth it anymore. Check out used Nightforce NX8s or even SHVs, or Arken/Athlon.

>>63827336
>No actually, that's a totally sold PRS setup, except that I think you're overpaying on the optic side.

Yeah. I will look at those and my other favorite, previously value brand, Vortex.

>>63827375
>besides the Leupolds are really not worth it anymore
agreed but
>Check out used Nightforce NX8s
lol nx8s are not even remotely worth it either. trading big time on nf name and atacr association but not in the same ballpark.

>>63827352
He's correct? He's correct that the 6.5 bucks the wind better than the 30 cal? Is this just some weird dick stroking larp I've wandered into?
With the same sd/bc the 30 cal will buck the wind WAY better than a 6.5
Is this board all children?
Start posting groups from the bench at 300 before you give any more fucking advice. Holy God damn shit.

>>63827376
>Yeah. I will look at those and my other favorite, previously value brand, Vortex.
Vortex WAS a good value brand, and they still had solid customer service last I checked, but they've (very purposefully, through hard, good work!) worked their way out of that into more premium brand territory. I don't think they're in "old, lazy" territory either, but they're definitely not a hungry unknown offering super value because they had to accept tight margins to grow marketshare when people didn't trust them yet.

Again I don't think there's anything wrong with that, that's kinda the point of business, they worked hard to make bigger profits. But I think probably the best place for value if you can catch the wave is when you've got a lower end cheap company that tries to make the jump into the higher end, because there's a period of time when you can buy glass/turrets that is 95% as good as high end for a fraction of the money. If they fail they die, if they succeed they become more premium and prices get closer to the rest. Actually you can see that happening even with Athlon now, their Cronus is an excellent HPVO and still a decent value in the $1600ish range, but not that long ago you could buy it for fucking $1100 or less which was amazing. I didn't expect to last long and it didn't but cool at the time.

>>63827408
Post groups.

>>63827403
>He's correct? He's correct that the 6.5 bucks the wind better than the 30 cal?
Yes. Higher BC bullets going faster do tend to do that retard.
>Is this just some weird dick stroking larp I've wandered into?
No, you just claim to shoot elr but don't.
>With the same sd/bc
But typical 6.5 has better BC and goes faster.
>300yd
lol. Sure if you're shooting that short don't worry about it, except 6.5 is still less recoil.

If 6.5 still cost more it'd be a different story but it doesn't in a tikka.

>>63827449
Thanks for confirming you dont know shit. Post groups fag. Ive never claimed anything here yet. But im about to. And I garunfuckingtee you will shut your cockholster when you realize who you are talking too princess.
Now post some of damn groups gearfag.

>>63827460
lmao
>imma internet celebrity!! do you KNOW WHO I AM!??!
>i know better then every single shooter ever or basic ballistic physics
>wah wah girl cocks princess wah
Yeah, seen this movie before.

Anyway have fun OP. Bergaras or Tikkas are both awesome and I think you'll enjoy either.

>>63827403
Oh man that post makes me depressed. I fear that my tremor might be strong enouth to trow me off enouth to cause medicore handload development ;_; First i buy AR15 to get a feel for handloading and rifles again and to cross my 6months waiting time for the HMR. Doing practice with the 223Wylde wont burn the barrel for no reason so Im bussy. Once im in bavaria i might reload and shoot 3-4days a week, tax paid IMAO. Also i do live stream during handloading, we need more reloaders on /k/... its FUN

>>63827485
>>63827486
Post groups and guns.

>>63827485
Im not "internet" famous. Think older. Think more hands on.

>>63827497
Back when i only shoot rifle Diopter i managed to do that without fliers lutside of 8, than only handgun shooting. Back to rifle it goes soon and i wonder how a scope and bipod will help me at shooting

>>63826886
You’re a goddamn idiot.

>>63827505
This homosexual thinks hes speciual
>>63827565
Anon is right about pretty much everything? Savage rifles are shit and vortex “muh warranty!” Is a scope rental company. Anon is comparing apples to oranges with the ammo thing a little bit and im not super up to date with .300wm loads but the new nas3 .308 loads are pretty fucking insane

>>63827583
Wow, just wow. What are you basing your recommendations on? Clearly not experience and skill. You are a novice at best.

>>63827815
He never claimed to be an expert? Your just a shitposting dork who hasnt contributed anything

>>63826639 (OP)
Just don't spend too much because you're soon going to realize that long distance rifle shooting is the most boring and unenjoyable subgenre of the shooting hobby.

>>63827855
Its really not but most of the participants are snobby faggots. It can be quite relaxing. I prefer shooting and moving under nods for “fun”. Some people get a hard on for trap shooting and to me thats boring as fuck, but ive also started when i was 6

>>63827837
He is giving opinions on caliber and equipment choice for 300-1000 yards. He has ZERO experience in those ranges nor the skill to shoot them.
What the fuck good is his advice? Its not.
Would you take scuba diving and gear advice from a guy doggy paddling in the shallow end of the pool? No.
That's the issue here. I have in fact shot at those ranges. Ive been around the gear fags. Led sled heros. Dipshits with 10,000 in gear getting outshot on live targets buy a guy with a glass bed 98 and factory ammo.
This shit is absolutely insane here. Its a bunch of larping dipshit children and fat reloaders who shoot 100 yards from the sled and talk about their favorite "recipe".
I quite literally with the aid of an actual writer because I am not one, wrote the book on LRH.

>>63827855
Like anything else shooting it comes down to what you like and how you do it right? I think for many folks comp can suck the fun out of anything, while for others comp is what they live for. But you don't have to do it as some activity either .Personally I'm in the camp of
>>63827909
>It can be quite relaxing
This. I don't do serious prs comp, I mostly just like going out into recent lumber operations where they've cleared a mile of forest the previous year or two and spending an afternoon. I find the action of the bolt, the focus on each shot, I dunno, almost meditative I guess? I enjoy practicing calls and seeing what I can do and read from the environment and improvement. I'm sure that lots would find it boring, probably me too 20 years ago, and yeah short range nod fun is awesome. But I think long distance has its place as a good time for some of us. I find myself using my bolt a lot now.

Though fwiw
>Just don't spend too much
I 100% agree on starting cheap though. If you get into it you can always explore other stuff. If you don't, or only enjoy it a few times a year, then you aren't out much.

>>63827919
cant you keep your schizobabble fuddlore in your other thread >>63813878 boomer

>>63826639 (OP)
Howa 1500 on a chassis is the most cost effective entry level precision rifle.

>>63827919
Yet you contribute nothing but chimp out like a faggot
>i wrote a book
Cool, nobody cares and i can probably download it for free somewhere

>>63827919
>take your pills
>reloading is love
You wont know if you a) dont reload b) are to stupid to reload. And my advice for Anons is good, i say 308Win for starters is good when they got limited ranges below 800 and 6.5CM if they got easy access to longer ranges to use the performance. In the USA barrel swap cost a fraction of the price, 6.5CM isnt a huge deal. 6CM is another storry, its dope AF but i dont like it that load development might take a bigger fraction of the barrel life out before using it. Throat errosion and the decline in stable velocity sucks, adjusting the COL also sucks

>>63826639 (OP)
Just use a p90. I can hit up to 800 yards with mine pretty easy.

>>63828045
You're noble to try but there's zero point in replying to someone who is that much of an aggressively petulant asshole.

>>63828063
I know, Anon still needs to get input. There is most of the time topics we dont even know so preparation wont save us for learning from errors, but most rifles are good enouth so it doesnt matter. Well maybe if somebody buys a stupid pencil barrel for LRP, short barrels are better thanbthat crap

>>63827184
I think this anon is insecure about his Remington 700 (post freedom group) being made fun of

>>63828156
Why would anyone be insecure about a 700? M24, M40, pretty much every police sniper... i doubt from this thread anyone here can shoot one to its capability.
>>63828045
You don't realize this but you parroting this caliber/range again is just magnifying your ignorance.

>>63827909
>>63827952
I like to trash long distance rifle shooting because I was also interested in it when I was younger until I realized the reality. It is not a "show up with what you have" kind of sport, you have to dump a lot of money into the rifle, scope, and all the other little accessories like spotting scopes for the minimum entry. The ammo is expensive, reloading for rifles is time consuming and requires the purchase of yet more equipment, and trying to find the space to do it is a pain. I even live in Wyoming, and trying to find 300+ yards of straight and visible public land is difficult, and all the long range sections of the local shooting ranges are populated from dawn to dusk by people over 60 years old. So if you can put up with all of that, you still show up and only shoot 40 rounds in an hour. Long range rifle shooting is the worst.

>>63828247
>>you have to dump a lot of money into the rifle, scope, and all the other little accessories like spotting scopes for the minimum entry.
You are literally retarded.

>>63828299
You sure pointed out the error of my ways and now I'm super into long range rifle shooting. Thanks.

>>63828247
I genuinely say this without malice anon, yeah even on 4chan, but honestly a lot of that is you taking a specific approach that didn't fit. Not that it might be for you anyway of course, but:
>kind of sport
Long distance rifle shooting doesn't need to involve any sort of "sport"/competition at all, or ever going to a range. You can just do it yourself, at your own pace, or maybe with a buddy if you find one and you can take turns spotting at that point as well. Some people find comp is enjoyable and takes it further but it's fine not to. Even then
>It is not a "show up with what you have" kind of sport
Why not? You can just do the best with what you've got, and a lot of places have different tiers of competition. Even without that, if you put together a decent $1200 prs rifle and lose to some super autist with a $10k setup, like, so what? It's still fun to see how close you can get.
>The ammo is expensive, reloading for rifles is time consuming
You can get perfectly decent 6.5cm or 308 factory for not a lot of money and do gudenuf to have fun no problem.
>location
Can't argue with this, or with the effort of finding stuff. The necessity for longer physical ranges can be a challenge for sure.

30-06 won two world wars, so it's good enough for me.

There was a /prg/ thres that lasted a few weeks. It always has great info for new and experienced shooters.

>>63828665
Spesrs eon more ware than you can count, why not use that instead?

>>63831267
HSP stock but wat gun?

>>63826639 (OP)
>Sniper rifle for 300-1000y
>>63826639 (OP)
>I want a good sniper rifle for this distance
>>63826639 (OP)
>suppressed
KILL YOUR5SELF YOU UNDERAGE BRAINLET AMERICAN CAN'T SHOOT CAN'T INTO SHOOTING CUTURBO CUNT

WHO THE FUCK SUPPRESSES A PRECISION CENTREFIRE RIFLE WHAT HALFWIT CUNT DOES THIS WHAT HOLLYWOOD VIDYA GOBBLING TURD BRAINED RETARD PUTS A SILENCER ON A SUPERSONIC CENTREFIRE PRECISION RIFLE WHAT KIND OF FUCKING ASSHOLE EVEN ASKS THIS QUESTION

THE MAXIMUM PRACTICAL RANGE FOR A SUPPRESSED SUBSONIC CENTREFIRE RIFLE IS ROUGHLY 300M DUE TO RANGE JUDGING AND THE BALLISTIC ARC *IF* YOU CAN LOAD A SUBSONIC IN IT SAFELY AT ALL.

YOU DO NOT PUT A FUCKING SILENCER ON A HIGH VELOCITY CENTREFIRE PRECISION RIFLE. ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENT CAN;T FUCKING SHOOT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT PRECISION RIFLES AND HAS NEVER FIRED ONE OR USED A SILENCER

>>63828247
YOU'VE NEVER SHOT A PRECISION RIFKEW IB YOU4 FUCKING LIFE AND PROBABLY CAN'T SHOOT OR RELOAD AND YOU ARE CRYING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO CAN OWED YOU FREE LESSONS AND A 5k RIFLE?

>>63827583
THATS A SHIT GROUP FROM A 22 FUCKING RETARD

>>63831957
Who said anything about subsonics retard

>>63831957
>>63831975
lol calm down

>>63826639 (OP)
seriously who the fuck is just sitting there all day generating this stupid ass shit? What are the prompts even?

>>63831983
Learn to read retard

>>63827460
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>>63832221
I'll leave a trail of crayons for ya so you dont get hungry on the way.

>>63826639 (OP)
Does anyone have the old "distance to my mailbox" pasta?

>>63831957
>>63831975
>boomer spouting tired fuddlore
>eternally bitter felony domestic violence conviction before divorce means he can't buy cans
>more velocity and weight at the end of the barrel is bad guiz i totally hit commies in nam at 4000yd with my 30-06 and had no silencer on that so them cong knew I was comin' for 'em!
>has destroyed his hearing so badly he has to shout all the time even in text
Sad.

>>63831957
Are you ok, anon?

>>63831835
knife on end of rifle=shooty spear.

>>63831908
That was an associates rifle, it was a remington sendero in 7mm mag. Nothing but problems and the guys refused to heed sound advice.

>Didnt clean the carbon ring
>Had a 20moa mount on a short action 20moa rail (he drilled holes in it so it would work)...dont even ask about what it was zero'd at.
>Fucked bedding because he hogged out the stock to lighten it up
>Slaps 3 pound Razor 4-27 on top anyways.

It was a weird day trying to help him.