Let's talk about the IJN, preferably without bias.
What do you like and dislike about them?

>>63828105 (OP)
Pagoda look sweet; nip DC was painfully retarded.

>>63828112
>nip DC was painfully retarded
What made them so bad?

>>63828105 (OP)
I think their flag looks sick as fuck

>>63828119
They had a few (relatively junior) trained in it as a specialty, and they would command a few teams of equaly specialized DC teams.
These Ltss. and their NCO and saillors were actually goood at what they did..
But when a carrier gets hit and you have a fuell fire in the hangar, two or three teams don't cut it, you need all hands on deck fighting the fire, clearing wreckage.
In the USN, everyone was on a DC team, or a firefighter team if shit hit the fan. In the IJN, it was a few specialists that got overwhelmed.

Allso, IJN ships were often relatevily lightly constructed, which meant that blast damage in teh supersstructure, or on DDs in general, was worse than on USN ships.
And especially their cruisers were underarmored, Also, whoever had the brilliant idea to park double sets or oxygen fuelled torpedoes plus reloads right on top of the fucking engine room was a really special kind of insane.

Mogami still is best girl.

Kongou is best ship

>>63828119
See picrelated

>>63828105 (OP)

Well for a start it wasn't very good.

>Terrible leadership
>Totally incapable of learning the most basic lessons
>Wasteful of men, ships and supply
>Constant lying about the operation situation
>A training plan ? Sounds dishonourable
>Convoy escort. That's a job for a present or lower cast.
>Spend 70% of the naval budget on 3 super battleships ? Sure that wont bite us in the ass.
>Constant infighting with the army often to the point of deliberate sabotage
>Wasteful replication of equipment, logistics and services with the army
>What do you mean we need fuel ?
>Make one plan and offer no contingences at all
>The war will be over in 16 months so no point development new weapons or systems


The IJN had good imitative in the beginning of the war but the moment it faced a pier opponent with determination it utterly fell apart.

>>63828119
What >>63828168 said was a big issue, alas not what I was thinking of.
Afaik the japanese had a bad proclivity for aggressive counter-flooding.
From what I remember Kongo took flooding on its starboard with japanese DC teams flooding their port ?engine room? the counter-flooding ended up being so excessive that the ship started listing to port and ultimately sank from it.
I was searching for something quotable or the source where I first read it but I can't find anything these days.

>>63828168
>best girl
>looks like boy

>>63828105 (OP)
>like
Their equipment, especially early war, was pretty damn good. The anti air complement was among the heaviest in the world at the start of the war, the torpedos were superlative, the submarines very effective, and they were world leading in carrier battle group operations
>dislike
A lot to list here so I’ll just do my largest issue. Their entire doctrine was based on a terrible interpretation of Mahan making everything I listed meaningless. Control of the sea was valuable because it was such a force multiplier for logistics and commerce. Japan never made an effective effort to disrupt allied logistics with submarines, often using them to hunt warships. They only really realized the value in attacking enemy logistics in force as Japan was about to be invaded and the war was long lost. Attacking fleet oilers and other various transports from early in the war would’ve served them much better than having subs go after warships. Broken logistics would’ve done much more to influence the Guadalcanal campaign than the loss of Wasp and damage to North Carolina did.

>>63828105 (OP)
PAGODA CHADS

>>63828286
We need go higher

>>63828168
There was under-armoring, and then there was the opposite of making things too rigid: stuff like the Yamato & Musashi where any hits were going to result in heavy shock damage because things were just not mean to break away.
Or inside their carriers where their enclosed hangar areas meant turning the ship into a big bomb.
Good points about overspecialization, to a fault.
Still, the IJN (and the JMSDF) remains one of the most stylish navies to me. Often beautiful ships, good names, interesting design choices, and nice uniforms & music.

>>63828128
The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force still use the Rising Sun Flag.

This will never not be amazing

>>63828266
>pier opponent
checked

wouldn't that be an opponent whose fleet was still moored at harbor?

>>63828105 (OP)
>What do you like

Could actually go toe-to-toe with peer opponents unlike their army counterparts who had a habit of crumbling against any enemy better armed and equipped than Chinese peasants (with exception of the 1941-42 period where they ran riot across the European/American-held territories of Asia, even then their success was largely enabled by the IJN)

>dislike about them?

Burning down Manila wasn't very nice :(

>>63828458
To be fair it's not like political assassination was uncommon in post-meiji japan so permissive attitude and willingness for violence could be considered more of a general issue.

>>63828301

>>63828271
Kirishima at Guadalcanal counterflooded without stopping the flooding first. The result should've been predictable.

>>63828644
>counterflooded without stopping the flooding first
You kidding me?

>>63828105 (OP)
They were fascinatingly dysfunctional while still retaining the ability to do battle.
>>63828509
As long as your violence could be construed as having been inspired by nationalist zeal you could basically get away with anything.

>>63828105 (OP)
I like the fact that the IJN committed war crimes against whitoids and SEA monkeys.

I like playing as them in naval strategy games.

>>63828105 (OP)
>we have the advantage, time to retreat
>all hope of victory is lost, banzai
Why were they like this?

>>63828105 (OP)
the fact that they have kept that flag even for the current-day Japanese Navy is really funny.

>>63828708
No, you see, it has brighter red color. Totally different!

>>63828708
It eternally triggers the chinks.

>>63828751
The Imperial Japanese Navy committed 99% of its war crimes on white people, Filipinos, Indonesians and Vietnamese.

>>63828949
The IJA used similar/same flag in China and did quite a number of war crimes as well.

>>63828105 (OP)
Write your own paper, chump.

>>63828105 (OP)
The IJN is like bukkake, covered with Japanese seamen.

>>63828639
>spells ASIA
Coincidence?

>>63828458
Just boys being boys honestly.

>>63828105 (OP)

INJ

Best Destroyers. Best night action training. Crippling Battleship obsession.

>>63828659
The IJN had decided that the automatic response to flooding was counterfloding to keep the ship on an even keel.
In the re-built Kongos they also frogot about free-surfacce effect, and most of their heavy cruisers had a centerline bulkhead They really didn't run all their numbers or at some level they decided that it was nooot possible to keep the tonnage down, the number of guns and torps up, and the whole ship vaguely looking like it adhereed to the treaties. And so, by the late 20s they were buuilding ships that were overguunned and overloaded without most of the lessons the other navies had llearneed in WW1.

>>63828708
To be fair unlike Hitler's LARP swastika it really is a part of of Japanese culture. Same reason why the fasces is still in use in the West.

>>63829014
Fr I know the swastika is an old ass and very common symbol, but its usage and importance within German culture seems to have negligible to downright irrelevant for the bulk of the 1000 years preceding the Nazis, it always baffled me how they decided to make it this their supposed "giga TRAD ANCIENT GERMANIA" symbol when the Teutonic Knight's Cross, Imperial Eagle, and even fucking Oak leaves were always more prominent

>>63829040
Because they weren't part of the real German traditional establishment, they're just some upstart branch off. It's like wondering why people don't immediately associate the cross with the Moonies.

>>63828238
Could that even save you money in the long run? Cast iron pipe good god

>>63828751
>>63828964
You'll get beaten to death in provinces of China that were never occupied by Japan, like Shaanxi, Gansu, Sichuan for waving that flag. They never had any Japanese in their cities and villages.

While Filipinos and Indonesians and Vietnamese cucks will welcome their rapist masters and build statues of Japanese.

How is that supposed to make China look bad? It makes SEA sex tourist spawn look like spineless cucks.

>>63829398
>he doesn't know the CCP actually thanked Japan for invading China and had a pretty cordial relationship barring the cultural revolution era until the 21st century

>>63829446
Ordinary people in China ≠ "CCP"

Gansu was not under the communists during most of the civil war and almost none of the founding members if the party are from there

Ordinary people and governments in Indonesia, Philippines and Vietnam worship Japan.

Sichuan and Gansu were controlled by warlords, they weren't KMT either.

Chiang was pro-Japan, he tried to sabotage the war effort and refused to contribute his own soldiers to the front line.

Warlords in Sichuan contributed the most soldiers against the Japanese, they fought all the way at Taierzhuang and Wuhan

>>63829655
>Chiang was pro-Japan
First time hearing that, I know that he wanted CCP dead first before dealing with the Japanese invasion, but still wanted Japan out.

>>63828119
In the battle of the Philippine sea a japanese carrier:
1) was running on unrefined (read: extra fumic and flammable) gas
2) got hit and started spewing gas fumes everywhere
3) damage control decided to turn air vents on to maximum to clear the air
4) the extra power air vents blew the fumes into a (usually sealed) generator room, igniting the fumes and causing the entire ship to explode

Reminder that at midway the Yorktown tanked like seven hits and basically every jap carrier that took a single bomb was lost, it really was that bad, an extra fatal combined with their reliance on large capitol ships.

>>63828283
Yeah, notable deficiencies aside they really were a rising sun to the likes of the other colonial forces in their neighborhood. What they missed out on was having a peer war to hone away subtle flaws in their newfound skills and doctrine that beating up russia and China couldn't reveal. Had they found means to confront the French, Dutch, or even UK alone at some point between say, 1935 and 1945 it would've gone very differently; even defeat would've been temporary not total.

>>63829930
Japanese literally used human wave attacks against outnumbered Chinese at Beicang in 1900 and Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan in 1905.

Numerically superior Japanese used human waves against outnumbered Chinese at Beicang and Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and overwhelm them with their own corpses.

Japanese suffered massive death rolls (more than Chinese at Beicang and Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan)

Japan was saved in 1905 by the Jew Jacob Schiff giving them emergency loans and the British built Meiji fleet at Tsushima.

Russia could have crushed them in another land offensive if Tsushima didn't cause the 1905 revolution.

Britain's Sempill mission helped Japan build aircraft carriers and planes and Japan continued importing machine tooling from the US.

>>63828105 (OP)
They were the only force capable of effectively countering the IJA.

>>63828119
The Army

>>63829959
None of which changes that their immediate adversaries had the same combination of problems which cost Spain control of the Phillipines - old ships out east and trouble at home. Except they inexplicably decided to war with every potential foe at once - imagine the Spanish-American conflict opening with the burgers being boneheaded enough to invade French Guiana and bombard the RN at Jamaica at the same time. Rather than guaranteeing non-interference it plainly assures an unwinnable coalition war for the upstart power.

>>63828105 (OP)
Some interesting designs and weapons, terrible leadership and doctrine. I could go on but I feel like it's been discussed to death. For those of us who have read captain Hara's book, what were some things that stood out to you?

>>63828460
>wouldn't that be an opponent whose fleet was still moored at harbor?
Yes and it would make no difference by 1944

>>63828998
You've so succinctly touched on why the Imperial Japanese military generally makes for such tantalizing discussion. They had enough ingredients, they totally could've cooked instead of getting cooked.
Like, the army:
>Best irregular forces. Best fighting spirit. Crippling desire to bayonet charge.

>>63830222
To specifically elaborate: had they leaned on those strengths and taken the "Green Berets" or "Viet Minh" approach as Col. Suzuki did on his own initiative in Burma, Japan could've secured it's oil on the back of regional anticolonial sentiments rather than industrial-scale warfare it could hardly sustain.

>>63828283
>Japan never made an effective effort to disrupt allied logistics with submarines, often using them to hunt warships.
The entire IJN strategy was to knock out the USN in one big battle and hopefully the US will sign a truce. It's a short term strategy but the Japs had no choice. They knew they will run out of fuel in 1-2 years. Hunting tankers and disrupting logistics is long term thinking.

>>63830309
>The entire IJN strategy was to knock out the USN in one big battle
in a location of Japans choosing when US is far from home, tired and disorganized, the Japanese wanted a replay of Tsushima straits

>>63830370
Then the time they came closest, at Leyte, they failed to realize their advantage and fled. Even victory there wouldn't have changed the course of the war, but it would have stalled the American advance for a time and put pressure on American leadership for even allowing such a screw up.

>>63829930
35-39 the Bongs would be able to defeat the Japanese Empire if in detail, culminating in a Blockade of Japan itself. WW2 became the Naval worst case Nightmare scenario after the Fall of France when it became too thin to adequately defend all theatres of the Empire.

>>63828751
It really doesn't make any sense to me. The current japanese flag was still the official flag of Japan and was widely used in every place occupied by Japan. So why Chinese and Koreans are so fixated with the navy's flag, I have no idea.

>>63828105 (OP)
It was pretty clear from the beginning that the US wouldn't give them the decisive battle they wanted, why tf did they bet on that until the very last minute?

>>63830533
>It was pretty clear from the beginning that the US wouldn't give them the decisive battle they wanted
The US gave them the decisive battle 6 months into the war. They lost.

>>63828266
They did good training in night fighting and gunnery. The Long Lance was good. Discipline was good. Early war air wing operations were world-leading. That’s about it. They were systemically weaker than the USN in general and that difference became overwhelming as the war went on.

>>63829959
Shut the fuck up you dumb /his/ spammer. Next you are going to tell us your bullshit about China having to fight a two front war with Japan (supported by the US) and the USSR during the Ili rebellion. You fucking inbred product of a geriatric pregnancy.

China lost less than one fifth of it's land over years while fighting a two front war against an enemy that liberally used poison gas and was being supplied with oil by America.

The western powers lost the entire Southeast Asia to Japan in a matter of weeks while outnumbering the attacking Japanese.

The same American military that invaded and occupied Okinawa could not push China out of North Korea.

>>63829792

Chiang deliberately didn't give a shit about the Japan front.

Chiang Kai-shek was focused on Tibet and Xinjiang, getting Sheng Shicai to defect and the Ili rebellion in Xinjiang in 1944.

Chiang Kai-shek knew Japan would lose the entire war in 1941 so he stripped hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers from the anti-Japan front to send to Xinjiang and the Qinghai-Tibet border to recover territory from Soviet control. All land Japan occupied would be given back but the same would not be true for Soviet held land.

China was so unconcerned about Japan after it stopped and halted their advances in 1940 that China diverted hundreds of thousands of soldiers to retake Xinjiang from the Soviet 8th regiment and pro-Soviet warlord Sheng Shicai's army and to station on the border of Qinghai and Tibet in 1942 to intimidate the Dalai Lama. China fought the Ili Rebellion in Xinjiang in 1944-1946. China fought a two front war in World War II.

Japan only launched Operation Ichigo after it was aware of the diversion of massive amounts of Chinese elite cavalry, planes and material to Xinjiang and the western fronts.

China fought a two front war in World War II.

China was so unconcerned about Japan after it defeated and halted their advances in 1940 that China diverted hundreds of thousands of soldiers to retake Xinjiang from the Soviet 8th regiment and to station on the border of Qinghai and Tibet in 1942 to intimidate the Dalai Lama. China fought the Ili Rebellion in Xinjiang in 1944-1946. China fought a two front war in World War II.

None of these Chinese generals had any airplanes, tanks, armoured cars, heavy artillery or poison gas all of which the Japanese had and used and the Japanese still lost. None of the other Allies or Axis used poison gas except Italy in Ethiopia.

Japan used airplanes to drop poison gas bombs against jungle Seediq Aboriginals in Taiwan who were slaughtering the Japanese at hand to hand combat only using rifles, swords and spears against Japanese with machine guns. Japan denied its humiliating failure and tried to claim it did not use poison gas against jungle tribes before the news broke out.

Japan used poison gas in China every time they were on the verge of losing in hand to hand combat with the Chinese like Hankou in the Battle of Wuhan where the New Guangxi clique army were killing the Japanese in hand to hand fighting as witnesseds by western journalists before poison gas was launched and the Battle of West Suiyuan and Wuyuan where the Japanese had total air superiority with no Chinese airplanes, armour superiority with tanks and armoured cars with no opposing Chinese armour, used poison gas and STILL lost to the Chinese 81st army using swords to slash the armoured cars tires and using outdated mortars which emitted giant clouds of smoke giving away their positions to counter Japanese artillery. The Japanese totally failed in their advance into west Suiyuan, Ningxia because of the 81st and in west Henan thanks to the 1st cavalry army later in Guangxi

Japan fired hundreds of thousands of poison gas shells in China while Germany did not use a single gas shell against the Soviet Union

>>63830778
Should have flooded China with left over axis weaponry. Try a communist take over when every kulak has a rifle.

>>63830501
Not so easy with Hitler and co. lurking like vultures over Europe. The UK had far less capacity to absorb materiel losses than the USA, so the surprise attack + invasions of Hong Kong and Malaya sting that much worse and hits just as decisively (or moreso) thanks to having hundreds of ships and aircraft to spare (Pearl wasn't the only base, Manilla, Wake Island, Guam, and Midway all got bombed too). Makes the fait accompli or decisive battle into negotiated peace gambit look a lot more reasonable when only one rather distracted gorilla needs to be sucker punched. I'd still bet on the UK (slightly), but my original point was that a challenging war would reveal and forcibly correct the glaring weaknesses we see in hindsight of Japanese naval doctrines, without ending in unconditional surrender and disarmament thus rendering the entire subject moot.

>>63829959
Wait till you learn who tought China how to use there Y-8

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-8

>>63830571
Yeah and for some reason after that and until the end their high command thought they could win the war by baiting the Allied Navy into a decisive battle

>>63830733
>Early war air wing operations were world-leading
>proof is testimony from untrained American pilots who defeated the Japanese time and again in air
>meanwhile German and British air forces have been fighting an actual war for 3 years
Yeah I'm a little skeptical of this Japanese pilots numba wan claim.

>>63830801
The poster you are replying to is a well-known personality on /his/ known as chinkspammer. Here's one of his threads right now >>>/his/17762676

In addition to posting about topics like rape and castration, he likes to advance the following claims:
>China fought a two front war against the USSR and Japan (which was supported by the US and allies), which it won single handedly
>Chinese troops were generally superior to Western ones who they beat in Korea and were easily beaten in Southeast Asia by the Japanese, as well as to the IJA, who had to use poison gas and human wave tactics to win
>China won most of its pre-industrial wars against European imperalists

He has blighted that board and this one for nearly ten years now

>>63830849
I see, that's why I said I never heard Chiang was pro Japan because he's the only one saying it.
He perhaps confused Chiang with Wang.

>>63830849
Here's a further sample of his notoriety: https://desuarchive.org/his/search/text/chinkspammer/page/1/

His MO is that he floods threads with his articles and links to archive posts that's just links to articles and more archive links. The things he rambles on about are super specific (Yugoslav partisans raping germans, Japanese raping people, Burmese tribes raping people, CCP propaganda), probably a sign of autism. And he thinks that everyone is an Iraqi pedo who lives in Sweden that's out to get him. If you lurk around /his/ for long enough you'll inevitably encounter him, but he also frequents /k/ quite a bit.

>>63830849
holy shit this guy is a schizo

>>63828105 (OP)
like: they declared war on the USA
dislike: they lost

t. german

>>63830801
That exact thing was done with leftover american weaponry. Didn't work because most of the population genuinely supported Mao after years of having to suffer under Chiang and the warlords' retardiation.

>>63830762
>>63830873
You're an Iraqi Arab Sunni paedophile in Sweden.

The Iraqi was the only one who spanmed about his imaginary enemy having geriatric parents.

Post evidence of your claim dumbass, the only person who posted these first were the Iraqi whose doxx is all over the archives

The Iraqi also spammed about his enemies being raped by their uncles and having sexual dysfunction.

These three posts are you samefagging >>63830774 >>63830778 >>63830787

>>63830873
>>63830849

This is the Iraqi Arab Sunni incel paedo child molestor in Sweden >>63830849 >>63830873
Accusing everybody of being a chink.

Read more on the Iraqi incel paedophile in Sweden paedo here.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16559382/#q16559434

>>16559434

The Iraqi bragged about shoving his penis in a Swedish baby girl's mouth when her parents weren't looking.

He's not even being consistent, he's accusing random thread starters with totally opposite views (both pro Sunni and anti-Sunni) of being a chink.

This thread is pro-Sunni Islamist

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16699470/#q16699470

You also claimed chinks made these pro-Sunni Islamist threads.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16700095/

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16699115/

Also you admitted to being an incel paedo on your twitter and reddit accounts posted here while you can't post a single "incel" post made by any of your enemies.

>>63830866
Chiang was forced to fight Japan at gunpoint in the Xi'an incident.

>>63832005
Him wanting to get rid of the commies first doesn't mean he was pro-Japan.

>>63830849
>>63830762
You haven't refuted a single point in the posts and haven't shown any "ccp propaganda". You're entire posts are ad hominem attacks

Show us how Japan didn't use human wave attacks at Nanshan, dumb incel.

>>63830762
>>63830849

Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim paedophile suphamsulu forgotten4ever MyDolores Uracil_Goblin Iraqi_shitposter on reddit

AntiMajoosUnit QutaybabnMuslim on Twitter

orgasm123456789 and barooo50 on powerbot

The Iraqi paedophile is obsessed with white girls, Vietnamese girls, Korean girls and Japanese girls and porn stars. Everything he says is projection.
There's an Iraqi Arab Sunni Islamist child molestor in Sweden who posts on 4chan, reddit and runescape forums.

He produced child porn and molested babies.

Pictures and info on him are in the 4chan archives.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14426324/#q14430690

https://archived.moe/his/thread/14426324/#q14430690

Also the Iraqi gets scared when you post the information and address of the Alsaudi (Al-Saudi) family in Kristianstad along with all his doxx, pictures and social media.

Saad alsaudi and his sister Shams alsaudi.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16308103/#q16308650

https://archived.moe/his/thread/16308103/#q16308650

>>63830762
>>63830849
The Iraqi who denies he exists can't explain >>16300895 why tons of his photos exist (dating to 2018, long before the invention of free high quality AI), why there is an image his ugly face in the just paste dumps of him verifying his Uracil_Goblin account (also dating to 2018 before free AI was invented) and why tons of people all over reddit ans Twitter recognise him as the Iraqi paedophile.

Also one of his pictures was posted by a Britisher in 2017 copied from reddit incels subreddit long before his doxx was posted here in 2018.

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/75428912/#q75431060

Also a Serbian posted the Iraqi doxx on int

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/99926106/#q99961705

There's no pictures of a chink at all and no proof for anything the Iraqi says.

Shia Muslims and Middle Eastern Christians all recognized this Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab pedophile's accounts on twitter when he was exposed. That Jordanian Christian AbuUrdon and Shia AnarchioKhomeini were harassed by this pedophile for a long time under his AntiMajoosUnit account.

https://archive.li/l7DYN

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12166682/#q12175904

Also the Alsaudi family's address and information is public >>16300903 >>16300909 >>16300915

Somehow the entire media and Swedish government is suffering from mental delusions and hallucinating this family's existence.

The Iraqi paedophile tried to come up with a cover story on flashback forums when he got exposed by claiming the Uracil_Goblin picture was edited.

Except the edited version which the Iraqi photoshopped with Niggerkiller2000 appears LATER than the Uracil_Goblin version on both desuarchive and on the justpaste dumps

https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.aco.an.c.cgl.d.fit.g.int.m.mlp.mu.q.qa.r9k.tg.trash.vr.wsg/image/TarzrqCaX_UCGyylIG1SCA/

https://desuarchive.org/int/search/image/ctMWhZgzbAuK0fXoV3Cn1w/

>>63829959
>Japanese literally used human wave attacks
Christ there is so much wrong with his I don't even know where to begin.
They never did any simple unsupported infantry assaults.

>It was the role of the artillery that impressed Europeans observers the most. Against a single line of trenches -- the Russian lines were not constructed in depth and a single entrenched line was all that barred the way -- the Japanese artillery proved effective.
>The fire of many batteries were concentrated on the point of attack, and support of the infantry continued until the final phase of the assault forced a shift of fire. The guns fired from defilade, and indirect fire was controlled by a battery officer from a removed vantage point.
>The Japanese infantry employed flags and other signal devices to guide the artillery and direct its fire. 33
>No longer was artillery used just to gain fire superiority and then forsake the infantry as it assaulted. Japanese artillery performed both the preparatory and support missions.

>Artillery had regained its place on the battlefield.
>This was the conclusion of the majority of the foreign observers.
>...artillery /reported Major J.M, Home, British army/ is now the decisive arm and...all other arms are auxiliary to it. The importance of artillery cannot be too strongly insisted upon, for, other things being equal, the side which has the best artillery will always win. 34

>33. Barret, "Lessons to be Learned, JRUSI 51 (1907)
>34. The Russo-Japanese War, Reports from British Officers, vol. 3, 209-210,

t. Joseph Coleman Arnold, Background of a Stalemate, 67-68,

And that's ignoring that their losses are pretty in line with those in WW1 trench warfare

Timur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.

All Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672


Timur i Lang (Tamerlame or Tamerlane or Timur the Lame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.

This is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.

https://archive.is/IJQD0

remove the . between just and paste to get the url.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98

They say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated.

>>63832104
In Islam, Allah is all powerful and decreed all affairs. Both good and evil come from him and the devil has no power.

Syrian Sunni Islamists and Iraqi Sunni Islamists try to act tough and screech on how they are going to genocide X people or minority ans brag about their ancestors being tough warriors.

By Allah's decree, these same people have been gang raped, enslaved, butchered for the past 1000 years by Mongols, Timur (Tamerlane), Safavids, Khwarezmians (the Kwarezmian refugee army that fled the Mongols).

Khwarezmians went on rape spree against Sunnis in Syria, then Mongols sacked Baghdad, Damascus and Aleppo and raped all the Sunni women.

The Mongols repeated sacked Damascus and Aleppo again and again.

Timur came with another round of rape for Sunni girls and women in Baghdad, Damascus and Aleppo.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15320676/#q15320786

Also their Sunni women became prostitutes in Jordanian hotels for white foreigners after their wars.

Is this why they curse Allah? Because Allah decreed they be raped for the past 1000 years so the lash out agianst Allah in frustration?

>>63830762
>>63830849
The Iraqi who denies he exists can't explain >>>/his/16300895 why tons of his photos exist (dating to 2018, long before the invention of free high quality AI), why there is an image his ugly face in the just paste dumps of him verifying his Uracil_Goblin account (also dating to 2018 before free AI was invented) and why tons of people all over reddit ans Twitter recognise him as the Iraqi paedophile.

Also one of his pictures was posted by a Britisher in 2017 copied from reddit incels subreddit long before his doxx was posted here in 2018.

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/75428912/#q75431060

Also a Serbian posted the Iraqi doxx on int

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/99926106/#q99961705

There's no pictures of a chink at all and no proof for anything the Iraqi says.

Shia Muslims and Middle Eastern Christians all recognized this Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab pedophile's accounts on twitter when he was exposed. That Jordanian Christian AbuUrdon and Shia AnarchioKhomeini were harassed by this pedophile for a long time under his AntiMajoosUnit account.

https://archive.li/l7DYN

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12166682/#q12175904

Also the Alsaudi family's address and information is public >>>/his/16300903 >>>/his/16300909 >>>/his/16300915

Somehow the entire media and Swedish government is suffering from mental delusions and hallucinating this family's existence.

The Iraqi paedophile tried to come up with a cover story on flashback forums when he got exposed by claiming the Uracil_Goblin picture was edited.

Except the edited version which the Iraqi photoshopped with Niggerkiller2000 appears LATER than the Uracil_Goblin version on both desuarchive and on the justpaste dumps

https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.aco.an.c.cgl.d.fit.g.int.m.mlp.mu.q.qa.r9k.tg.trash.vr.wsg/image/TarzrqCaX_UCGyylIG1SCA/

https://desuarchive.org/int/search/image/ctMWhZgzbAuK0fXoV3Cn1w/

>>63832102
>simple unsupported infantry assaults.


That wasn't done in the Korean war, doesn't stop you from lying about it

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12324165/#q12325194

>>63832102
There were no trenches at Nanshan. The Russians massacred a numerically superior Japanese forces in the open field.

>>63832089
Shut the fuck up before I call ISD on your CCP-supporting ass. You forty year old freak result of senior citizen sex.

>>63832150
>There were no trenches at Nanshan.
>Finding his calls for reinforcement unanswered, Colonel Tretyakov was amazed to find that the uncommitted reserve regiments were in full retreat: in the midst of battle Nadein ordered 2 battalions from reserve to occupy the empty trenches of the left flank, but for some reason only 2 companies were sent in.
Curious

>>63832150
and to add on to it
>Looking south over the Russian trenches and magazine - from the central fortifications of Nanshan Hill, Manchuria.

>>63828458
INCREDIBLY BASED

>>63832150
>>63832216
These are the same troll samefagging and pretending to be me.

>>63830733
IJN gunnery was adequate, and held back by the lack of advanced fire control systems on their boats. Towards the end of the war American Gunnery was better.

>>63828458
This is Anglos not knowing how to interpret Asian culture.

Yamaguchi and Nagumo are exactly as >>63828995 said, boys being boys. With the possible addition that in Asian culture, you only dare do this sort of thing when drunk. Horseplay and grabass when sober is highly frowned upon. So in this sense, Asians are actually more uptight than Westerners. Same behaviour but different cultural contexts.

It's true however that Yamamoto was in danger of actual assassination. Note that this is according to Japanese assessments, so a very real risk, not party hijinks.

>>63828458
Yamaguchi was based. Unironically should have been the one in command of the Kido Butai.

>>63832102
>They never did any simple unsupported infantry assaults
Against the Allies in WW2, they did however
Even their complex attacks were essentially carried out in WW1 style with laboriously pre-registered and pre-planned bombardment. They would shoot off all their ammo and then let the infantry win or lose.
The main reason for this is that they had fewer radios and fire observation officers. The infantry communicated with the artillery most often by RUNNER for fuck's sake

>>63829655
>Chiang was pro-Japan, he tried to sabotage the war effort and refused to contribute his own soldiers to the front line.
In reality this describes what Mao did, but the CCP has rewritten history about the second sino japanese.

We did it! We sunk the Enterprise!

>>63830849
>>Chinese troops were generally superior to Western ones who they beat in Korea and were easily beaten in Southeast Asia by the Japanese, as well as to the IJA, who had to use poison gas and human wave tactics to win
Holy fuck I've seen this guy do vandalism on wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zaoyang%E2%80%93Yichang

>>63833040
The cited sources in the article are American. Not one of them are Chinese

>>63833040
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61908913/#q61928156

>The article you linked literally has five different citations including by the United States war department confirming that the Japanese were slaughtered in hand to hand combat and forced to use mustard gas to win, including quotes from the source.

>I copied it from the article. The article was edited first before I posted it on 4chan you dumb cunt. You might have a point if I posted it on 4chan first and then the article was edited after that.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61908913/#q61928192

>You didn't debunk the the post dumbass, you literally linked the sources >>61928156 >>61928182

>British source from 1942 cited in the article you linked says Chinese defeated Japanaese in hand to hand combat so the Japanese gassed the city to win.

>You just engaged in an ad hominem attack without debunking the argument.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61908913/#q61928216

>The article you linked had 5 different citations including the US War department and Britannica talking about Chinese defeating Japanese in hand to hand combat and then Japan using gas to win

>You didn't debunk shit and instead went on a tangent about interracial rape (I never mentioned rape on this thread ans I don't see any edits about rape in the page you linked)

Also proof you are a paedophile

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61908913/#q61930026

>>63830836
>meanwhile German and British air forces have been fighting an actual war for 3 years
>the country whose only carrier was lost before it was even completed
>the country who managed to lose a carrier to surface fire
making the us navy struggle is enough to be the 2nd best at naval aviation when you consider who they were competing with

>>63833040
Also dumbfuck, I can prove you are the Iraqi incel paedophile or copied fron him.

Years ago, in this kiwi.farms threads the Iraqi incel paedo doxx was fully posted with his ugly pictures and his incel paedo account usernames like forgotten4ever, SUPHAMSULU, MyDolores, orgasm123456789, AntiMajoosUnit.

Then out of nowhere, the Iraqi paedo arrives and accuses his doxxer of being.... the same wikipedia editor you are obsessed with, and links to old 4chan threads like you just did (with no evidence that his doxxer is the wiki editor)

Remove the . between kiwi and farms because the full url is banned bere

https://kiwi.farms.st/threads/islamic-content-thread-wahhabis-salafis-and-other-islamic-radicals.33128/page-10

https://kiwi.farms.st/threads/incels-is-previously-known-as-r-incels.22268/page-372

The Iraqi falsely claims he is the wikipedia user who got wiki account suspended. Yet when asked to log onto the wikipedia account and verify himself to prove it, he can't because he isn't.

The Iraqi falsely claims his pictures were stolen from facebook by the wiki editor who tricked hom yet he can't even name the Facebook account of the wiki editor.

The Iraqi paedo lies and claims his picture verifying Uracil_Goblin was edited, yet he can't couldn't provide the original "unedited" picture because it doesn't exist and Uracil_Goblin is the original picture.

You just exposed yourself as the Iraqi paedo or affiliated with him. He's the first and only person who spammed about the wiki editor and made all these false claims that the wiki editor is the one that doxxed him on 4chan years ago, and is obsessed with talking about interracial rape.


As said >>61928068

Multiple people posted the Iraqi Arab Sunni doxx since 2017. This /int/ poster doxxed him long before that.

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/75428912/#q75431060

>>>/int/75431060

>>63828105 (OP)
PAGODA

>>63828128
I love that generational ptsd victims have to watch the rising sun sail by all the time and they're supposed to like it.

>>63833117
buddy, if the Americans had gone to war in 1939 they would have taken grievous losses themselves
the US entered the war with 2+ years of additional rearmament, research and lessons learnt

>>63830222
>Crippling desire to bayonet charge.
Two different kinds of retards but why did, post WW1, bayonet charges lead to defeat for the Japs and victory for the bongs?

>>63833388
>generational ptsd victims
no worries, we Asians aren't as faggy as Westerners in that regard, we can look at the Rising Sun or the Swastika without pearl clutching

>>63833435
Japs bayonet charge to break the enemy; bongs bayonet charge to slaughter the broken enemy
trite, but 100% doctrinal

>>63830849
Is it one faggot? The chink bugmen fill entire rooms of their hives with payed shills at a computer desk like it's just a normal office job.

>>63830836
>>meanwhile German and British air forces have been fighting an actual war for 3 years
>Erm yeah Germany and the UK had 3 years of fighting making them good pilots
>Second Sino-Japanese War? What's that?
Opinion disregarded

>>63833376
Bigger resolution.

>>63833040
Does chinkspammer know about Imjin River?

>>63830836
Wasn't so much the pilots as the overall air wing. It took Spruance 80 minutes to launch the same number of aircraft as Nagumo launched in 9 minutes. Pilots were relatively evenly matched

>>63833420
ok but the nips still had 6 carriers in 1939. how many did germany have?

>>63833532
Manning the AA platform sounds comfy

>>63833040
The funniest part of that article has to be the how hard the Chinese inflated Japanese losses.
Chinese loses
>Japanese records: 63,127 killed
>Chinese records: 60,101 killed/missing
Japanese loses
>Japanese records: 1,403 killed
>Chinese claim: 25,941 killed
Japan seems like they did a pretty decent job recording enemy kia meanwhile China just adds on a magical 24,000 enemy losses that they could have never confirmed as they lost the territory and couldn't do BDA. Still it's hilarious that the chink spammer tries to make it out as if the gas was the thing that won the Japanese the battle and not the fact that the Japanese had a 60,000 kill attrition advantage. Also neither the Japanese or Chinese language pages make any mention of chemical weapons being used.
>>63833045
>The cited sources in the article are American. Not one of them are Chinese
Also only 2 of the sources are actually unique. The others are just different publications of the same texts citing each other.

>>63833686
with the of the sources just being about japanese gas weapon doctrine/procedure

Were submarine aircraft carriers a good idea?

>>63833878
No, it's one of those things that seems awesome in concept but has so many downsides it becomes basically worthless 90% of the time

>>63833686
You're full of shit, the article was recently vandalised by a single purpose account, Cent58.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Zaoyang%E2%80%93Yichang&diff=prev&oldid=1267919969

Cent58's sole activity on wikipedia since signing up last November is lowering casualty estimates for Japanese on every single battle article and jacking up Chinese casualty estimates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cent58&target=Cent58&offset=&limit=500
>>63833725

Why are you lying? THe source mentions Japanese gas attack at Ichang (Yichang) on page 82 and 83

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gq1BAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false

it says Chinese took Ichang and the Japanese retrated, but japan launched a massive gas attack from air and the Chinese had no protective equipment.

>>63833686
Japan regularly lied about the number of casualties it inflicted on enemy forces, during one of the Tokyo air raids they claimed they shot down 31 planes and damaged 80 planes when the real number was only 2 shot down (and 5 others lost to mechanical failure) and 51 damaged.

https://apjjf.org/2016/12/sams

The Thai also accused Japanese of cremating their dead at the battle of Prachuap Khiri Khan to hide the true number of casualties.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=82T ... J&pg=PT193

The Thai only lost 42 dead military men while the Japanese humiliatingly suffered more dead against a technologically inferior and numerically inferior force, 115 dead by the Japanese own count, while the Thai say at least over 200 or even 400 Japanese were killed and the Japanese cremated them to hide the number.

>>63833686
You're full of shit, the article was recently vandalised by a single purpose account, Cent58.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Zaoyang%E2%80%93Yichang&diff=prev&oldid=1267919969

Cent58's sole activity on wikipedia since signing up last November is lowering casualty estimates for Japanese on every single battle article and jacking up Chinese casualty estimates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cent58&target=Cent58&offset=&limit=500
>>63833725

Why are you lying? THe source mentions Japanese gas attack at Ichang (Yichang) on page 82 and 83

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gq1BAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false

it says Chinese took Ichang and the Japanese retrated, but japan launched a massive gas attack from air and the Chinese had no protective equipment.

>>63833686
Japan regularly lied about the number of casualties it inflicted on enemy forces, during one of the Tokyo air raids they claimed they shot down 31 planes and damaged 80 planes when the real number was only 2 shot down (and 5 others lost to mechanical failure) and 51 damaged.

https://apjjf.org/2016/12/sams

The Thai also accused Japanese of cremating their dead at the battle of Prachuap Khiri Khan to hide the true number of casualties.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=82T1EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT193#v=onepage&q&f=false


The Thai only lost 42 dead military men while the Japanese humiliatingly suffered more dead against a technologically inferior and numerically inferior force, 115 dead by the Japanese own count, while the Thai say at least over 200 or even 400 Japanese were killed and the Japanese cremated them to hide the number.

>>63833686
>>63833725
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#9521635
Japan used chemical weapons explicitly to compensate for numerial inferiority against opponents with no chemical weapons. Their soldiers got high on meth pills for "courage" in battle.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/4wb78m/from-kamikaze-pilots-to-footy-players-heres-a-short-history-of-ice

>A very similar thing happened in Japan. But whereas the Germans informally adopted meth, the Japanese embraced the drug with empire-building fervor. They called it Philopon, which translates roughly to "love of work," and funneled it into all arms of the military, as well as into government factories. Particularly high doses were also given to Kamikaze pilots before missions, for reasons that are probably obvious. Incidences of stimulant-fueled psychosis exploded but as in Germany, these cases were downplayed at the behest of the pharmaceutical companies.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-51664-6_14

>No Retaliation in Kind: Japanese Chemical Warfare Policy in World War II

>In China, Japanese military forces often found themselves at a numerical disadvantage and used chemical warfare (CW) as a means to compensate.

Rana Mitter's "Forgotten Ally: China's World War II, 1937–1945" on the Battle of Wuhan.

>Under General Xue Yue, some 100,000 Chinese troops pushed back Japanese forces at Huangmei. At the fortress of Tianjiazhen, thousands of men fought until the end of September, with Japanese victory assured only with the use of poison gas. Yet even now, top Chinese generals seemed unable to work with each other At Xinyang, Li Zongren's Guangxi troops were battered to exhaustion. They expected that the troops of Hu Zongnan, another general close to Chiang Kai-shek, would relieve them, but instead Hu led his troops away from the city

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/H/a/Hankow.htm

http://www.360guoxue.com:8080/tushuguan/Uploads/Download/adf/ok%E5%9B%BE%E4%B9%A6/TXTEncryed/15/21215-32.txt

>>63833686
>>63833976
>>63833990

Japan also tried to deny that they lost the battle of Taierzhuang in 1938, censoring all reports about the battle in Japan and even to other Japanese soldiers in China.

Freda Utley also witnessed the battle of Wuhan and she said Japanese sprayed poison gas when they were being slaughtered in hand to hand fighting

She also mentioned how almost all of Japan's war materials came from the US, UK and Australia

She hated Jews while Japan begged Jews for loans and support.

http://fredautley.com/ChinaAtWar.htm

>The war was going well for the Chinese on this front that August, and officers coming in for an hour or two would speak with elation of the declining morale of the Japanese troops, who, they insisted, were now less formidable enemies than a few months ago. The Chinese here had the advantage of fighting on hills up which the Japanese had to attack, and on which the Chinese defenders could not be reached by the gunboats on the river or by the Japanese heavy artillery. In hand-to-hand fighting on the hills the Chinese had frequently shown their superiority to the Japanese. General Li, however, told us he was afraid that the Japanese would soon start using gas on a large scale, and in that event, he knew the Chinese lines could not hold. His fears were to be justified three weeks later, but even so, the Chinese defended Nan-chang until March 1939, although Hankow fell in October 1938.


https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=bks&q=The+Japanese+attempt+to+exagerate+the+number+of+casualties+on+the+part+of+China+and+to+minimize+the+number+of+casualties+in+Japan+was,+stated+the+National+herald&nfpr=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVxJermJSAAxUeE1kFHX_CBSgQvgUoAXoECA8QAg&biw=412&bih=724&dpr=3.5

>The Japanese attempt to exagerate the number of casualties the part of China and to minimize the number of casualties in Japan was , stated the National Herald , but trying to cheat the Japanese people , who had no way of receiving any ...

>>63833551
You're comparing two carriers to two pairs of carriers. Not disagreeing with the overall statement though.

Japanese officers also said they would defeat and conquer all of China in three months in 1937. and then Hirohito angrily reminded them years later that they promised this to him.

Japan also denied responsibility for hundreds of thousands of Japanese settlers left stranded in Manchukuo after August 1945, and told the settlers that Japan didn't lose the war and they should stay in Manchukuo as fifth columnist agents and wait for the imperial army to return.

This is while the Soviet army and Chinese farmers were mass raping and assaulting the Japanese female settlers, and over 200,000 of the Japanese settlers froze and starved to death while awaiting repatriation to Japan, before the rest were repatriated.

>>63833686
>>63833976
Japan also claimed they lost only 21,389 dead in the Soviet invasion of Manchukuo.

Soviets recorded 83,737 dead Japanese soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of Japanese male POWs, most of whom they worked to death in Siberian gulags, while mass raping Japanese girl settlers and nurses.

>>63833686
>>63833976

In the thread linked here >>>/his/17762676, there's multiple pictures and videos by western journalists at the site of the battles, interviewing Japanese prisoners taken at Changsha in 1942 and Changde in 1943

2,000 captured at Changsha alone, and there are multiple pictures showing rows of Japanese POWS at Changde.

If you looked at the statistics Cent58 edited on wiki for those two battles, Japanese's official casualty counts don't acknowledge a single soldier captured.

Japan claimed Japanese soldiers never surrendered

>>63833686
>>63833976
Japan claimed they shot down dozens of US planes over Tokyo in 1945

https://apjjf.org/2016/12/sams

>“Fires which broke out at parts of the edifices in the Imperial Palace, the Omiya Palace, and the Akasaka Detached Palace, due to the said bombing, were promptly brought under control, but the Main and Worship Halls of the Meiji Shrine were finally burnt down.”

>“The majority of the fires, started at various places in the Metropolis, were extinguished by about 6 a.m. on April 14.

>“2. Of the counterattacking battle results obtained by our Anti-Air Raid Forces, those that have become known follow:

>Shot down: 41 planes

>Damaged: 80 planes.”38

>Needless to say, this announcement contains inaccuracies and exaggerations. The number of B-29s over Tokyo that night was 327, of which only seven were lost (two of them shot down) and 51 were damaged. However, according to the novelist Takami Jun, the newspapers provided details of air raid damage for the first time ever.39 Even after the devastating March 10 air raid, the only specific damage referred to in the Imperial Headquarters Communiqué was a fire at the Shumeryo, the Imperial Household Ministry bureau responsible for the Emperor’s horses. The fires that killed an estimated 100,000 people were simply referred to as “Others.” However, the April 15 edition of the Nippon Times, for example, mentioned extensive fire damage in Toshima, Itabashi, Oji, and Yotsuya wards and listed the principal buildings burned down: “Tokyo Metropolitan Planning Bureau, the Nishi Kanda, Ikebukuro, Nishiarai and Nippori police stations, the Oji, Takinogawa and Toshima ward offices, the Tokyo Medical College, the Peers’ School, the Women’s Higher Normal School, and the Otsuka, Nippon University and Okubo hospitals.”40

A Japanese was arrested by Japanese authorities during the war for daring to point out that the claim that the Japanese imperial family ruled for 2,600 years, had zero evidence

>>63833686
>>63833976
Japanese cremated their dead, making it easy to hide their casualties by putting the ash of different corpses together, while Chinese did not cremate.

The Thai accused Japan of using cremation to hide their true casualties.

>Led the miracle rescue operation at Kiska
>Led Rei-go, the last successful offensive operation of the IJN
>Had a sick handlebar moustache
This guy doesn't get the attention he deserves.

>>63833590
Germany was behind France and Italy in terms of navy, so

>>63833686
just ignore chinkspammer

>>63833551
>Pilots were relatively evenly matched
in 1942? heck no
most Jap pilots had years of operational experience from bombing China
most American pilots had barely been in uniform for three years

once again, I adjure you all to look at the size, equipment and training of the American armed forces in 1939, it provides much-needed context

>>63834746
>most Jap pilots had years of operational experience from bombing China
Most is a bit of a stretch. Yes Japan had a decent core of experienced pilots, but they also had expanded significantly in the lead up to the Pacific War which left many squadrons with nothing but rookies. For Pearl Harbor, Zuikaku and Shokaku had to have their ranks filled out with instructor pilots, and none of their aircraft were used to attack the harbor itself, instead being assigned to strafe airfields exclusively.

>>63834802
>they also had expanded significantly in the lead up to the Pacific War which left many squadrons with nothing but rookies
this is true, but that's why Zuikaku and Shokaku were not formally included in the Kido Butai, which had a hard core of experienced pilots

>>63828105 (OP)
Yamato is an incredibly kino ship and quite advanced for her time. Some nice carriers and the rising sun ensign is quite kino. I prefer IJA aircraft though.

>>63828119
They didn't have a specific damage control team. Each section would have say 1/10 their number trained in damage control, which meant when shit happened it was chaos.

>>63833878
>>63833887
It's important to remember that submarines of the time spent the vast majority of the time on the surface, because they were super slow underwater and had very limited battery time. They pretty much only submerged to attack, and spent all other time on the surface. In this context, having a plane to help scout for enemy shipping in the vastness of the Pacific isn't a terrible idea.
The I-400s, however, were a silly idea, too limited to do much.

>>63835460
>submerged to attack
and escape afterwards