How would Space Warfare realistically look like?

Flashes in the distance

RKV raping your face before you even detected the enemy.

>>63838326 (OP)
Depends on how scifi you go with technologies.
But basically spaceships intented for warfare in space would be gigantic sensor arrays, probably fully automated because fleshy creatures are just an detriment in space, with some kinetic railgun to throw at anything they detect before that something detects you.

>>63838326 (OP)
Nerds pressing buttons at computer terminals.

>>63838326 (OP)
2% bengali
what the fuck is this lmao

>>63838326 (OP)
Screaming catgirls in shiney leotards piloting giant flying robots the size of office blocks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vCY3I5yxo

Probably something between Stargate Atlantis and Starwars the first film.
Realistically you'd need lasers and fast travelling spacecraft or a tunnel in order to wage war on that kind of distance.

>>63838326 (OP)
Shit is exploding everywhere and you have no idea what's going on, fights somehow devolve to knife fighting range.
Also schizophrenic AI.

>>63838326 (OP)
gay

>try to neutralize a hostile civ
biological weapons
nooks
kinetic impactors
infohazards

>try to land ground troops for whatever reason
the solar system's most expensive meatgrinder

>>63838326 (OP)
For the foreseeable future? Anti-satellite missiles, just anti-satellite missiles.

Maybe in a few centuries: See pic related.

>>63838362
>gigantic sensor arrays, probably fully automated
This. Also it would mostly revolve around travel times and orbital mechanics. Space is fucking huge. It would have a lot of similarities with early navies and colonialism where things would be decided by who got where first.

>>63839140
It may be easier to achieve FTL than it is to achieve relativistic sub-light speeds.

>>63838326 (OP)
OP are there any more photos like the one you posted?

>>63838326 (OP)
Short and terrifying

there's been an odd number of youtube projects about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEpm1_j1dYM

>>63838326 (OP)
Whatever it ends up being, it won't be kino. At best it'll be the expanse (dropping nukes and stealth rocks on people).

>>63838362
>railgun
And dropped

>>63839140
>That pic
ACTUALLY...
If a relativistic kinetic weapon hits the earth the only problems will be in the in and out points on the surface - there is a limit to energy transfer during a hit so the effect will be a roughly 1Mt explosion on entry and out-ry points. No instant death of the planet, sorry.

>>63838362
Meat is cheap and you need autonomous biobots to repair the ship when poo poo inevitably hits it. Automatics tend to only work in perfect conditions

Human crews aint going anywhere

tri-sexual elf-cat ayyys playing pranks at twinks in the woods.

They come here to steal our prawns.

kinetic kill swarms
missile spam
lasers
autocannons
decoys

at extreme ranges

generally, if you have the power, lasers are the most potent.

>>63838326 (OP)
Really boring.
There will be two weapon types, long range fuck-you slabs of tungsten or other metals chucked at high speeds at far targets or giant flechette swarms at closer speeds.

>>63844233
Perhaps, however
>1: Having a hole blown straight through your planet is not going to be a fun experience for anything on that planet at the time.
>2: The long term environmental impact of 1 make it just as effective as a genocide bomb even if that's not quite as dramatic as planetwide firestorms.
>3: If they've got the engineering and physics knowledge to build a planet-killing RKV then I'm sure that they can figure it out, make the rocket a hollow point or something like that.

>>63838326 (OP)
Children of a Dead Earth, probably.

>>63844239
Meat is not that cheap when you need to haul it to back-and-forth from fuckoff space. I guess you could have some temp quick clone facility for when meat is absolutely required, but otherwise it is always better to just make better automation for systems

>>63844782
close enough, though it's more designed for closer range fighting in orbit and orbital velocities

>>63844873
adding to this: lasers are generally the most powerful weapon in coade. one single powerful laser can burn through ships, shells and missiles with ease in seconds.

Destroying one satellite in a million pieces will cause a chain reaction and by noon noone has GPS anymore. It will be quick, quite and devastating

>>63844239
why are you speaking like a redditard?
You know you can swear here right?

crab bombs

>>63838326 (OP)
CoADE gives a rough idea. Basically massive swarms of missiles followed by fast flybys with lasers and railguns.

>>63838353
>>63838362
>before something detects you
There is no stealth in space. If you're on a ship able to move with anything approaching a useful amount of thurst and delta-v, you can be detected from the other side of the solar system.

>>63845818
That got a sequel didn't it?

>>63844233
Why shoot an RKV at a planet when you can just shoot it at the start and do something funky to upset its hydrostatic equilibrium and cause it to go nova. The star's an easy target to hit too and if that civilization has made into space but not gone interstellar yet then they're still totally fucked.

>>63846018
You'd need a pretty big RKV for that.
>>63845111
Only when you don't account for costs. Big lasers can be extremely powerful but they also need massive power plants and radiators. It's generally more cost effective to spam missiles.

>>63846039
Yeah you're right. In over to just straight up exceed the gravitational binding energy of the sun you'd need to get something with the mass of Ceres up to 0.99c approximately lmao

>>63840681
>FTL
Everything we know implies that is not possible.

>>63838326 (OP)
>Wait, it's all China???

>>63845988
yeah, "planetoid pioneers". the dev abandoned it really early though and ran away
now he's working on 3d cortex command, it looks kind of like teardown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnBDmmlAfBE

>>63845984
Sit on the other side of the sun. That's stealth.

>>63844233
You know what's inside the planet? Shit we didn't evolve with. And even stuff we DID evolve with has it's happy-ppm range inside us. Blasting inner core radioactive toxic whatever through an exit hole into the atmosphere (if we keep it, not likely) puts that IN OUR AIR.

>>63838340

>>63846068
>mass of Ceres up to 0.99c
Well that's a terrifying thought.

>>63846068
>something with the mass of Ceres up to 0.99c
So, something that's never going to happen. If you can generate the (basically infinite) amount of energy that plan would need then why would you bother with war in the first place? Just build your own, new, universe at that point.

>>63844233
And then the oceans drain into the core?

>>63844533
Not if I have my trusty Kerfur-Ω at my side, they don't

>>63838903
>woman
>comically small launcher for what it intends to hit

>>63838326 (OP)
Implessive empire

>>63838326 (OP)
Space is just too fucking big.

>>63847243
Yeah at that point you just might as well say fuck it and flatten the 3rd dimension into the 2nd like in Death's End.

>>63838903
>6 km/s delta-v
>12 kilograms, man-portable, package roughly the size of a Stinger MANPAD
>Saturn V moon rocket had approx 18.3 km/s delta-v
>and it weighed 187.5 metric tons, without the payload, or the fuel
So it's fueled by unicorn farts and the power of friendship?

>>63850641
This is cope. "Space is too big for interstellar travel/war" can be translated as "I am impatient and cannot perceive events beyond my lifetime".

>>63850658
>GuYs i hAvE nO IdEa hOw dElTa-V wOrKs!1!one!
this is how you sound like

>>63845984
>There is no stealth in space

There's plenty of stealth when you get close to speed of light. Even if you're somehow spotted, you can't be intercepted in time.

>>63850691
OK, so explain how you're going to fit a ground to orbit missile into a 12kg man portable package without having it built of and fueled by magic.

>>63850696
ok.
You are retarded and don't understand the rocket equation. The Saturn V needed all that shit because it hauled 15 tons of spacecraft to moon orbit. A 12 kg anti-sat missile would need only 100 grams of a kinetic impactor to get rid of any satelite since it hits at rougly 11km/s (5km from missile + 7km from orbital velocity of satelite). A 12kg missile with 11,5 kg of propelant easily gets 6km delta-V with the specific impulse of 200 (which is the low-end of solid propelant). So 400 grams for electornics and rocket shell - doable with current high tech materials.

>>63838326 (OP)
Very fast missiles and a lot of waiting for inevitable death.

weapons powered by liquid core reactors utilizing a magnetohydrodynamic generator such that it compresses the fissile material until it becomes a thin critical plasma stream and launches it out at near lightspeed, penetrating all defenses like a laser.

>>63850802
If you can guide it with magnetics then can't you deflect it with magnetics?

>>63846221
OH SHI-

>>63851320
perhaps, but you'd have to use far more energy to deflect it than to fire

>>63840681
FTL or better "FTL you can stay alive doing it" is maybe something that will never exist.

Those sci-fi strategic videogames got the tech tree in inverse, stuff like dyson sphere and ring worlds will be made WAY before interstellar travel.

>>63851370
Then you're better off with just a synchrotron particle accelerator. Same shot but much more energy efficient.

>>63850695
>when you get close to speed of light
Nobody is going anywhere close to the speed of light, retard.
>>63838380
The Assam region is claimed by China. Pic rel, to the east. The China-wank in the OP gives it to them.

>>63838326 (OP)
>How would Space Warfare realistically look like?

That should be either "How would space warfare look?" or "What would space warfare look like?" Stupid fucking thirdies.

>>63839140
>dat pic
that was the dumbest shit i've read all day.

>>63850736
>A 12kg missile with 11,5 kg of propellant easily gets 6km delta-V with the specific impulse of 200

how much of the remaining 0.5kg (oops, I mean 0,5kg) of mass will be dedicated to the guidance system?

I ask because any seeker will need to track the target through a layer of plasma at that speed, but I assume you know that.

Finally, after you work out the weight (and basic mechanics) of the tracking system, how much of the remaining weight would be dedicated to the explosive payload?

>>63838326 (OP)
Realistically, the Expanse.
Unrealistically, Macross.
>Granted, Duarte had the Magnetar-class, which essentially has a Macross gun but lacks J-Pop broadcasting capability, thus allowing enemies a relatively peaceful death.

We already have space ships that are travelling the solar system. Anglo-American manned ones. It's kept quiet for various reasons but that Bong autist hacked files like 20 years ago and saw the images proving it, but since he was an autist didn't share the files immediately and was v& a few hours later.

>>63838326 (OP)
>How would Space Warfare look, realistically?
>What would Space Warfare realistically look like?
Boiling people alive in spaceships via lasers.

>>63850658
Whether it's reasonable depends on the size of the payload. For example, if a 12 kg single-stage rocket has 11 kg of propellant inside it, 6000 m/s dV would require a specific impulse of 246 s. That's attainable, about on par with the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters, though obviously miniaturizing one of those into a man-portable system would be difficult. Same with fitting the launcher hardware and the guidance system capable of hitting a literal fucking satellite from the ground into one kilogram.

>>63854827
>explosive payload
It's a kinetic kill vehicle, there isn't any. You're just slamming the empty rocket shell into the target.

>>63854891
>Realistically, the Expanse.
Fuck off, faggot.

>>63839140
>bro what if aliens were like
>violent

>thinks they own a third of mars and a quarter of the moon but they can't even conquer an island full of brown people

>>63854827
>>63858331
You could make some of the structural components out of dense reactive material.

>>63858707
No point. Past 11 km/s any object is carrying the kinetic energy equivalent to it's weight in high explosives.

>>63850695
>when you get close to speed of light
Have fun getting killed by random micrometeorites and space dust.

>>63838903
the thing about space warfare is that places you can live without SCBA are going to be worth their weight in gold, and places you can live without maintaining complex and sophisticated life support systems will be worth even more than that, so space tactics will reflect that.

>>63839140
That's just perma-cold war in spess, whoever shoots first dies with his target, think about it dark forest theory just means that your given interstellar neighbourhood is full paranoiacs with guns, if one makes one shot all others will fill him with lead because they will be shit scared they are next, and then they will go back to staring at the dark, and that's before we go into stuff like space dead mans hand.

>>63859755
Dark Forest is bullshit as any kind of Fermi solution because you can’t hide in space. You’re able to be detected by merely having an inhabitable world and the IR output your tech is going to have to generate energy on any scale. It’s a stupid application of the Prisoner’s Dilemma that breaks down because there’s multiple actors involved. Grabby Aliens aren’t a thing.

>>63859801
>You’re able to be detected by merely having an inhabitable world and the IR output your tech is going to have to generate energy on any scale
the hypothesis is that any surviving civilisation has developed tech to conceal / suppress detection; any civilisation that hasn't, did not survive
>It’s a stupid application of the Prisoner’s Dilemma
the Prisoner's Dilemma doesn't apply and is totally irrelevant, smartass

it's just a sub-branch of the Fermi Paradox

>>63860002
you're retarded

>>63860002
>it's just a sub-branch of the Fermi Paradox
It's a retarded sub-branch of the fermi paradox that only retards take seriously because it's full of holes and doesn't stand up to rudimentary cosmological questions.

>>63844233
First of all, a solid shot RKV would never actually make it to the earth's surface as a solid. Within milliseconds of contacting dense air it would be obliterated, like the Tunguska meteorite but far more violent. This would create a rapidly expanding cone of plasma. It probably would expand at a low relativistic speed, I think a reasonable guess is 10% c, resulting in a 4.5° cone. The energy that would dump into the earth would be catastrophic if it was a really energetic hit, it probably wouldn't even make it out the other side of the planet.
You could also blow your RKV into millions of tiny pieces with a bursting charge minutes before impact. Then the cloud of sand grain sized fragments would dump all their energy into the atmosphere, delivering a lethal gamma ray dose to everyone in one hemisphere. You could perfectly tune how concentrated you wanted the damage to be by adjusting the distance from the planet that the RKV bursts.

>>63860002
And any civilization that advanced would have already been able to detect us, or even just that our planet had life, for millions of years. If the Dark Forest hypothesis were true we'd have already been dead countless times over.