why is this rifle so hated on /k/?

>>63862095 (OP)
It's not, (You) are, false flagging faggot.
Inb4 fifty youtube links.

>>63862095 (OP)
It's not. Hate is a strong emotion and no one here cares enough about it to hate it.

>>63862095 (OP)
Much like its country of origin, its irrelevant. You want people to care, export it.

>>63862095 (OP)
mostly because it sucks cocks
i'm ashamed our soldiers are given such an inferior rifle
radom should've started making ar-15s 20 years ago instead of this shit
t. poorlack

>>63862095 (OP)
I do not care for modern assault rifles. Much like modern warships, they are the zenith of anti-soul.

>>63862095 (OP)
What is this? The IWI Carmel?

>>63862193
It's the Howa type 20

>>63862095 (OP)
I don't even know what that is. Some ACR knockoff?

>>63862121
so you don't like the country that rifle comes from?

>why is a ukrainian gun hated on /k/

i think you can guess who doesn't like it out of spite.

>>63862379
it's polish gun

>>63862095 (OP)
Poles would tell you it's the second coming of john moses browning when they need 3 iterations just to stop it from falling apart.

>>63862166
Or at least stuck with the Beryl

>>63862672
or maybe it's hated because it's polish gun

>>63862672
Just like the AR lmao

>>63862095 (OP)
SCAR, 416, or G36. Get with the meta.

>>63862095 (OP)
Its 1lb too heavy because they are retarded and have a steel barrel block for a trunnion instead of just capturing the barreled extension in the aluminum receiver. They also have cracking bolts and shitty surface treatments that don't prevent corrosion. They could turn it around if they redesign the barrel mounting solution ala bren 805 to bren 2 type of update removing weight but instead the polish just proclaim they made the perfect rifle over and over. It gets tiresome dealing with the constant polish praising of a flawed overweight design that could be decent.

>>63862299
A knockoff of a knockoff of a rifle that was only made because they sold the patent for the AR-15?

>>63862101
This, it's the autistic zigger kid from eastern Poland that gets laughed at
It's basically Polish dennis if you think about it

>>63862851
No it's hated because of how dogshit it was (and to some extent still is)

>>63863096
>shitty surface treatments that don't prevent corrosion
radom just cant into coatings, I remember paint coming off from by beryl if you looked at it funny
someday army will figure out that there is a superior domestic gun manufacturer available, but it's not happening today

>>63863123
how's tusk's representing poland and how's trump's defence policy regarding european nations going?

>>63863195
nah, it's because /k/'s innate dislike of anything polish, including poles

>>63863096
>>63863216
Add to it the absolute clown show of testing and adoption the gun had, to the point that it's used as an example of "how not to adopt a new gun" now, even replacing the wist in that regard if someone remembers that piece of shit

it is hated on /k/ because /k/ hates poland

>>63863282
Kek, it's really you grotard, how's podlasie this time of the year?

>>63863287
Jesteś jebanym kretynem jeśli uważasz ża Grot A1 (i po części A2) nie zasługują na krytykę. Dosłownie każdy żołnierz czy to z WOTu czy z armii mówił że A1 był chujowy
>/k/ nienawidzi polski
To przez takich "ludzi" jak ty

>>63863397
wrzuciłbym ura, beryla albo visa i odpowiedzi z za granicy były by takie same. a amerykanie nie nawidzą polaków dla zasady

>>63862095 (OP)
The Beryl is cooler in every single way.

>>63863420
>wrzuciłbym ura, beryla albo visa i odpowiedzi z za granicy były by takie same
może to dlatego że robisz ten sam thread od kilku miesięcy.
>a amerykanie nie nawidzą polaków dla zasady
Tak bardzo ich nie nawidzą że polonia w ameryce liczy ~10 mln. osób i ma się dobrze

>>63863528
>polonia
iks kurwa de
polonii w stanach nie ma, są tylko kundle, którym rząd już w 93 powinien odebrać prawa wyborcze.

>>63863397
Nie każdy, zresztą to i tak jest źle postawione pytanie. Poprawnie: czy Grot to mniejsza chujnia niż Beryl? Odpowiedź: tak, zdecydowanie, chyba że akurat się spierdoli. No ale tutaj same cywilcwele co nigdy nie robiły PSBSki z tym wspaniałym Berylem, więc szkoda strzępić ryja.

>>63863591
a to przypadkiem nie było tak że ta zatyczka na beryla potrafiła odpaść podczas psbski?

>>63862369
Poland is more or less fine. the completely unwarranted sense of adequacy one sees from Polish chauvinists is mildly annoying and pathetic.

>>63862095 (OP)
I'd say there are two possible ways yanks react to weapons they can't have. One is "omg these are the best fucking things ever and nothing else comes even close" (chinkshit AKs worth about 200€, Dragunovs, other slavjunk) and the other is "holy this is literal garbage wouldn't want one anyway and ARs are objectively better" (basically any more modern service rifle). We are witnessing the latter in action. And since /k/ is a rather yank central board as a whole, the yank sentiment is prevalent. That's all there is to it.

>>63863591
>Nie każdy
Przyznaje, źle napisałem. Miałem na myśli każdy z którym miałem okazję porozmawiać.

>>63863625
except nobody is reacting this way about the Bren2 because it didn't need three iterations to be useful in the field.

>>63863641
Then maybe Bren is in the former category.

>>63863631
Z moich obserwacji wynika, że najgłośniej na Grota narzeka personel kuchenny, który jest oburzony, że teraz musi strzelać coś więcej niż szkolną jedynkę i bolka i lolka.

Beryl sam w sobie jeszcze od biedy ujdzie, ale z tym nowym manualem, który jest w WP egzekwowany w podobny sposób jak musztra, to ta broń jest kompletnym kurwa nieporozumieniem. Wszystko się z tym robi wolniej i bardziej topornie.

Poza tym cywile mają jakieś durne wyobrażenie, że Beryle się nie pierdolą, podczas gdy w rzeczywistości niektóre egzemplarze są tak przechodzone, że potrafią się losowo rozjebać żołnierzowi podczas strzelania w rękach.

Z dwojga złego wolę pizdoleta, który przynajmniej nie gryzie się ze stosowanymi procedurami, choćby i faktycznie był nieco bardziej awaryjny. Ale generalnie jesteśmy w takim punkcie, że w WP nie ma dobrego kbs'a - Beryle są zajechane i nieadekwatne do potrzeb, a Groty cierpią na niedojebanie wieku młodzieńczego, bo MON za późno podjął temat.

Niech Radom wysrywa szybciej te kolejne wersje i zadba trochę o kontrolę jakości i będzie ok. A póki co z bronią strzelecką w wojsku jest normalnie, czyli mamy burdel.

>>63863658
they're not. they're in the third category with the Beretta ARX which is that they're available in the US and people go "oh that's pretty neat I guess" and then immediately stop thinking about it.
People shit on the MSBS because we have actual user reports from grunts in Poland and the Ukraine who are like, "this rifle is pretty shitty."

>>63863720
Right. If you look closely, I was talking about weapons not available to the yanks.

>>63863748
So you have nothing to contribute besides bringing up how much Americans make you mad?

>>63863789
? I'm not mad about yanks, if anything they amuse me.

>>63863748
And you're ignoring the part where the rifle not being available in the United States isn't the salient reason why people think its shitty. It's because the people who use the rifle say it's shitty, and we believe them.

>>63862095 (OP)
It insists upon itself

>>63863800
But that's generally not true with regards to any other firearms. See for example the weird fascination yanks have with chinkshit AKs when they're considered bottom tier by anyone who has access to them.

>>63862095 (OP)
>>63862284
I always thought this was a badass looking rifle- nobody hates this gun!

>>63863810
so you admit you don't know anything about the MSBS or the reason it has the reputation it does, and you're just casting about for excuses. got it.

>>63863853
Of course I don't know anything about it, the rifle isn't in open circulation yet. But I know yanks very well after having been on /k/ for way too long.

>>63863895
>>63863789

>>63863940
>>63863796

>>63863287
>it's because /k/'s innate dislike of anything polish, including poles

I do hate poles, but the gun is also objectively total trash.
It's due to your low IQ, poles can't into quality or high-tech due to it.

>>63863810
>yank
Honest to god I would prefer if you just call us mutts. Also do you have access to Chink AKs from the 1980s to early 1990s? If not then shut up. Chink made AKs from that era are great.

>>63863982
>Also do you have access to Chink AKs from the 1980s to early 1990s? If not then shut up. Chink made AKs from that era are great.
Dunno, haven't really looked into it and most of what I see are 56S's. But we don't have import restrictions so I'm sure the few AK enthusiasts have them.

>>63863982
The only AK I would ever consider using is a finnish one, everything else is utter trash in comparison.
But then why the fuck would you want an AK, they're terrible guns.
Oh wait I forgot mutts have a morbid fascination with terrible guns.

>>63863998
>The only AK I would ever consider using is a finnish one, everything else is utter trash in comparison.
Well, they're a bit heavy and dated in their design but I agree, they're pretty nice.
>But then why the fuck would you want an AK, they're terrible guns.
I wouldn't go that far. They're not optimal but they do go reliably bang, they're simple to clean and sufficiently accurate. The Finnish ones especially. Even so I'd definitely take an AR over even a Finnish AK any day of the week.
>Oh wait I forgot mutts have a morbid fascination with terrible guns.
This part is absolutely true.

>>63863976
you sound like a faggot
also
>reddit spacing

>>63863998
Sorry if I have an interest in owning a rifle that isn't another AR-15.

>>63862095 (OP)
What does this do that an AR doesn't?
ARs just werks.
M4s on mars niggas.

>>63863420
>a amerykanie nie nawidzą polaków dla zasady
thats based lol

>>63864399
>Sorry if I have an interest in owning a rifle that isn't another AR-15.
yeah you should be sorry for being a hipster cunt that tries to be sophisticated
ar-15 and a glock is all you need

>>63862095 (OP)
What is it?

>>63862095 (OP)
Wdym people love the SCAR

>>63864812
Take your pick it's not like you'd be wrong.

>>63864061
>you sound like a faggot
You're the expert

>reddit spacing
I do not frequent reddit, so I do not know what "reddit spacing" is supposed to be

>>63864030
See AKs were made by drunk russian designer, who designed them upside down.
On a normal rifle, receiver is closed on the top, and open at the bottom.
This is logical, since on the top you need to mount an optic, and on the bottom you need to feed in ammo from a magazine.
AK receivers are upside down, open on the top, closed on the bottom.
You need a flimsy dust cover which has to be removable for field stripping at the top, so you cannot mount an optic accurately, and you need to cut a fucking hole in the bottom to get the ammo in from the mag.
I cannot respect a gun which has such a fundamental design flaw.

>AR

The AR has bolt lugs which are too small, which results in them sheering off and breaking. I'm not really aware of any other rotating bolt gun that has such an absurd design flaw.
Everyone who copied the rotating bolt beefed it up to fix it.
Firing pins breaking, a common AR failure mode, also doesn't really happen to any other decently engineered military service rifle.
Since short-stroke pistons were invented, it's also quite common for rifles to work without having to be cleaned and lubed autistically every 5 minutes, they just ... work.

Most rifle designs are disgustingly bad desu.

>>63864823
Funny that less than half of those work reliably, and only a quarter of them aren't total pieces of shit.

>>63864989
Why are you quoting me? I own a Finnish AK and an AR, I know how they work. Btw you could mount an optic on a Finnish AK's dust cover, the rear sight is there already.

>>63865442
cuz u said dumb shit like "AKs are nice"
you're doing it again btw
>you could mount an optic on a Finnish AK's dust cover

>>63865467
He was talking about Finnish AKs specifically, and they are indeed quite nice.

And you could mount an optic on a finnish AK's dust cover, people have done it in the past. I wouldn't recommend attempting it with a particularly heavy optic, but a red dot would certainly work.

>>63862379
You’re like the war tourist version of a pornsick coomer who sexualizes literally everything

/k/ really must hate poland

>>63865629
>>63863366
Post outlet with a timestamp. You won't.

>>63865644
I haven't seen evidence to the contrary

>>63865796
It's a matter of perspective third worlders and /pol/estinians just don't understand, it's okay. Still waiting.

>>63865826
What perspective? I only see negative attitude towards poland on /k/. Especially intensified when poles don't worship hitler or america

>>63864823
What do you call this type of gun design

>>63865901
The only time Poland enters the conversation is when retard polacks bitch about how everybody hates them, and then people reflexively judge them as faggots. So its effectively your fault. I've noticed that a lot of second-rate countries, many Euros but also New Zealanders and Canadians, have this default expectation that they're the talk of the town and always topical when in reality nobody knows who the fuck they are. Ill add Poland to that list.

>>63865917
the future
or carcinization if you want to be a nerd about it.

>>63865927
So there is a dislike for poland on /k/

>>63865901
I see Polish Excellency and I see it causing your unrivaled seethe every time it's mentioned. This thread wouldn't exist without Poland living rent-free in your brain. And for that, I love Poland.

>>63865927
>>63865945
Guns and outlets with timestamp, or fuck off back to /pol/ where you came from.

>>63865957
/pol/ is too brown, and /ptg/ lost all self awareness

>>63864823
Why does the ARX 100 have that lump in front of the magwell?

>>63862166
So this is what people mean when they talk about cargo cults.

>>63862095 (OP)
Its the ACR

>>63862095 (OP)
Isn't this the grot>>63864964
>I do not frequent reddit, so I do not know what "reddit spacing" is supposed to be

niggas be nigging whenever someone uses spacings lol

>>63865974
Going to have to explain that last one to me chief

>>63866223
/ptg/ are zealots thinking that trump can't do no wrong, even when he fucks up

>>63862095 (OP)
because you keep making these threads you enourmous przegryw

>>63863800
well beryl and rak are liked in us, in poland nobody owns them, raks are hated for example. It's not a bad rifle, it had bad optics bc of onet - german owned journos who said the rifle is shit. I've shot it, it's fine, but probably making domestic ar15 made more sense

>>63865917
it's an AR-18 with injected molded plastic and extruded aluminum making up large portions of the gun, which necessarily informs its appearance.
Or just call it a Masada clone.

>>63865957

>>63867454
so you dislike poland

>>63867534
no, i dislike you

>>63867601
your animosity towards me is irrelevant. you do dislike poland?

>>63867613
Poland is not important enough to dislike or to like.

>>63862095 (OP)
I like how they desperately try to make those buttstocks not look like an AK one

>>63865442
>Btw you could mount an optic on a Finnish AK's dust cover

You could also shove that optic up your arse.
Doesn't necessarily mean it's a great idea and you'll like the experience.
I mean you MIGHT, but then that's a you-problem.

>>63867937
>Doesn't necessarily mean it's a great idea
it makes also 0 difference for a rifle with an effective range of 300 meters, unless you hammer your rifle together like an medieval blacksmith

>>63867937
Point is that the dust cover on both Sako and Valmet rifles is sturdy enough to securely mount a sighting system reliably and consistently.

>>63867950
>>63868099
Like I said, burgers are obsessed with trash guns.

>>63865917
There are only so many ways to make a gun with good ergonomics. And ACR form factor looks cool.

>>63863096
>>63864989
And to think, I actually learned something in this cesspool of a thread.

>>63867706
everything causes like or dislike
for example tomatoes

>>63868717
do you hold feelings toward the ballpoint pen chained to the counter of a bank?

>>63868846
yes, i like to use it as a fidget toy

>>63868846
In an abstract way, yes. I wouldn't necessarily say I feel anything towards the pen, but definately towards what it reminds me off and what it signifies by merely existing.
I sort of do not really model the world as is it, my brain models the world like it COULD be, if everything was as good as human knowledge allowed for it to be.
I would look at the ballpoint pen, and notice the chain, and realise that niggers exist, and niggers steal things, hence why the chain has to be there.
The chain adds extra cost, extra hassle - it's like a nigger-tax society has to pay to provide you with a pen.
Now you might argue the chain and attaching it to the pen is not that expensive, but you have to consider the bigger picture. Niggers have cost us trillions.
So my brain wakes up from the ideal dream world, and is confronted with the disgusting reality in which niggers exist.
Additionally I then consider that this pen was probably touched by niggers, and is full of nigger germs as well.
Then the pen might not even work, because why would it is a dumb cheap pen nobody cares about, so when it runs out of ink it probably takes a while before the dumb minimum wage bank worker can be arsed to replace it.
Then I wonder why I need a fucking pen to sign something like a cavemen scratching on a cave wall in 2025 when we have computers capable of billions of calculations per second which communicate with millisecond latency worldwide with any other computer in our pocket.
Then I realise dumb normies enslaved by jewish mind control are easier to milk if you introduce such arbitrary hoops instead of making everything as efficient as possible. A slow check which might bounce delays the transfer of funds, so the jews can speculate with your money for a bit longer and make even more money out of thin air, obviously.

4chan is lousy with faggots being contrarian for the sake of edgelord points

>>63862095 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUJrDKc51o
All the problems and itemized proposals for future a3 version to fix and its a lot of them...

>>63866092
it has like six different places to put a sling through.

>>63869595
the bullying nature of this site conditions people to act this way.

>>63869595
explains all the hate for Russian weapons

>>63869664
>all the hate for Russian weapons

people still like AKs and grozas and VSSs but we know they're just not very good now.

>>63869588
Now explain your dislike towards poles

>>63869658
That doesn't explain it. Please just tell me what all that stuff in front of the magwell is for.

>>63862101
What's your favourite battle rifle?

>>63862121
>You want people to care, export it
It is being exported

>>63863287
>>63863976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8D4AxBfzCI

At this point in the thread I have to post the video again, sorry. Perfect Incel ragebait, /k/ themed

>>63871314
>stuff in front of the magwell

oh, you mean BEHIND the magwell. the ARX has three different ways you can release the magazine. theres that up-down button directly in front of the trigger, there you have a big thumb button underneath the trigger guard, last you have that square button right above the up-down button

the ARX is a very silly gun and I'd like it more if it wasn't so overgassed.

>>63871854
No, I meant in front. I've even looked at cutaways to see what's in there and it looks like it's just plastic stuff. I don't understand why it has the lump.

>>63871831
incele to sól tej ziemi

>>63869595
Nah, dislike on Polish people is genuine

>>63864407
>What does this do that an AR doesn't?
you can turn it into a bullpup in just 3 minutes by swapping 3 pieces
and you can change calibers

>>63871812
Not him but the goofy cyberpunk one in Black Ops 3 with the weird chunky magwell