What were the dumbest high speed, low drag gimmicks?
>pic related

>>63865419 (OP)
Are you sure pic related isn't a sharty template? Dude looks like a living soijack.

>>63865455
go outside retard

>>63865419 (OP)
Pic related. I saw these tapco handguards advertised EVERYWHERE in the mid-late 2000s. Especially places like CDNN, Cheaper than Dirt, etc. They were soooo inexpensive.

I have never seen one in person, never, not in the last 20 years of going to range several times a month.

>>63865419 (OP)
>>63865455
>>63865470
Fuck ya
mudda

>>63865471
Forgot pic, heh.

You are now reminded that TAPCO would've been everywhere if it wasn't for MAGPUL's huge success having their furniture slapped on to any and all commercial ARs in the 2010s.

>>63865419 (OP)
speed increases drag tho

>>63865419 (OP)
There have been so many over the years, but this is the first to come to mind. It's a slider for rapidly adjusting the magnification on your LPVO without breaking a firing grip.

>>63865470
Found the fat beta male

>>63865664
They're referring to drag coefficient

>>63865700
like for bullets? arent their shapes already designed to minimize drag?

>>63865470
take off the hat, baldie

>>63865679
Imagine going back to WW1 and showing everyone this.

>>63865419 (OP)
Titty Diddler Grip is pretty legit. It can be used as a barricade stop. There is no reason not two have to obtrusive nubs sticking from the side of the AR since most folks got magnifiers and shit dangling

>>63865419 (OP)
>he doesn't like holding hand with his gun
I bet your rifle hates you

>>63865718
Of course not. Are you joking or trolling or what? Drag coefficient isn't constant for a given form across all speeds, all bullets aren't designed to go at all speeds, and bullets have design imperatives other than optimising their drag coefficient for a given range of speeds.

>>63865679
>>63865875
I have one of these, kind of an impulse buy but I like it. You want a riser though since your thumb will get in the way. Works well if you put the slider behind a laser unit. Only complaint I have is it can be hard to zero.

>>63865875
hoe does he aim with the camera in the way

>>63865977
God there is so much shit on the market that if I had the capability to make a rifle I would put an enclosed Vantac DADS and SCOPESWITCH fed through an rra eop upper on my AR15 abomination

>>63865480
Uhh no. Tapco was/is cheap bullshit. Magpul takes their plastic and their products extremely seriously, and manages to be the best choice on the market in dozens of applications while making shit in the US and selling it for a reasonable price. Fagpul put in a mountain of effort to be where they are. Tapco is like dollar general tier what's the absolute cheapest way to make this, and still somehow get people to pay money for it. I know you're trolling a lil but I feel for nogunz and newgunz who might not know better.

On topic, single point slings are dumb.

>>63865999
His vision is augmented

been laughing at the tactical potato since it came out

>>63865977
It's already at 1.93. What riser height are you using?

>>63865875
You can tell he's cool (and manly) because he's got tattoos all over his arm and silver wrist-watch (like a true grown up man) and he's 30s something (closer to 40s).

>>63865875
Why does the reticle change color when he fires?

>>63865419 (OP)
bump helmets

>>63867736
Holy shit youre insecure as fuck

>>63868013
uh-oh :)

>>63865875

Just like my animes!

>>63867980
The color slightly changes when looking at an illuminated etched reticle from different angles

>>63865664

That's why I oil all my bullets ahead of time

>>63868013
What are you gonna do about it, go shoot trash with your gun nicer than what your local SWAT has after you get out of the job you hate before you go back to studio apartment you barely cam afford?

>>63868047
Did the big bad mean boys give you a wedgie? Awwww. Betta tell mommy.

>>63865875
Fucking zoomers

cowitnessing red dots with irons

>>63868047
jesus christ dude save it for your blog
embarrassing behavior

>>63865875
>I need to constantly remove my support hand every 3 seconds because... I just do okay!?!
lpvo's are a meme

>>63866136
>On topic, single point slings are dumb.
could be worse, 3 point sling exist

>>63865875
That’s actually an insane capability to have, but I wonder if a battery-powered, switch/button actuated version wouldn’t be a much better execution. Comparing this auto-zoom magic to manually adjusting the magnification seems like night and day. But it would be much better if one did not have to jerk off his rifle to accomplish it.

With all the battery-powered shit we put on our rifles, it makes sense to have a huge, central battery pack that manages power consumption by priority (ie. everything turns off at 10% so the remainder can power the optic forever). Place this pack inside or underneath the stock where it will be out of the way and improve the gun’s weight distribution.

How come powered rails never took off? Flaws and shortcomings inherent to the system, or just poor execution that one time it was tried?

>>63868216
>>63868381
Oof, looks like I hit too close to home.

>>63865679
I remember watching that short HOP video where the thing broke and he just took a massive shit on it.

>>63868418
It's really not. It's a meme.

Put a 4x ACOG on that rifle and you can engage every target he does in that video effectively with less delay and more positive control on the weapon. ACOG is OP and until you've used one and learned to appreciate the wide FoV you won't get it.

Anyone who complains about the eye relief hasn't set their rifle up correctly and/or is shouldering wrong.

>>63868418
No one makes powered rails because no one makes accessories for powered rails, and no one makes accessories for powered rails because no one makes powered rails.

>>63868407
3 point slings have a purpose. That purpose is looking dapper on parade. They excel at their purpose. As a matter of fact, all slings should be 3 point. The world would be a better place for it.

>>63868434
Hell just have an lpvo and slap a red dot on top. You don't need to buy that extra bullshit that's ultimately flimsy

>>63868436
>>63868418
There's already a NATO standard for power rails and it includes data-link capabilities as well.

It's just not in use yet because until the rest of the ecosystem is there the use case is very limited, and you also introduce a single point of failure.

Imagine a solder point breaking in your battery back and now your optic illumination, thermal, wml, and lam all stop working at once.

>>63868444
That's also a better solution because you get a faster transition without breaking grip AND you have redundancy in the event one optic goes down for some reason.

>>63865419 (OP)
what are those sights? they seem antithetical to high speed low drag but neat

>>63868434
Alright so delete the manual control and latency and imagine you have a magic optic whose magnification you can adjust at will, with mind control. 0 effort. Is this a useful feature? Is this magic optic something you’d rather have than a fixed 4x power ACOG? The answer is yes (because a 4x ACOG is just one state of the magic optic) And this is the Rifle-Masturbator-5000 in its limit. It’s kind of a shit product now but with better execution could be something very special. You’ll never adjust magnification with your thoughts, lol, obviously, but you can get close and do it with a flick of your left thumb.

>”but nothing is free, all things have a cost” I hear you say

Yes but it is minimal. A tiny motor incorporated into an LPVO with a tape switch connected to one of those switches that looks like the volume control on your steering wheel

>>63868455
>ecosystem doesn’t exist

Yeah, this plagues a lot of other systems that are otherwise real good ideas

>single point of failure

About the only thing you can’t go without is the optic, so a button cell in the optic for redundancy alleviates the main concern of the whole thing failing.

Canted sights.

Red dot on top of the high powered optic is fine. Canted sights is "I want to be doing something weird that looks distinct and cool". Gun-fu Chuunbiyou.

c-clamp grip and risers

>>63865455
>Dude looks like a living soijack.
dude looks like ukie's ex minister of defense

>>63865419 (OP)
The chin stock, hands down

>>63865679
That's actually super neat

>>63868662
>Frantically shoulder your gun and misposition the chin stock on your teeth
>recoil breaks your teeth

I didn’t even know the chin stock was a thing. I agree, it’s gotta be the dumbest piece of gear ever.

>>63866235
I have one of these. I cannot for the life of me find a situation where a separate knife is not better.

>>63868491
Variable magnification is really only useful above 4x, but yeah if I could have an optic with the FoV of an ACOG that I could fluidly run from 1x-24x with my mind or a button that would be great. Ideally it also has light amplification and thermal modes that can be easily toggles at will, as well as hybrid overlays. And it also robust and redundant. Sounds great.

But this dumb ass LPVO slide whistle isnt any of that stuff.

>>63868730
> But this dumb ass LPVO slide whistle isnt any of that stuff

In fairness, I never said it was. I said the capability was insane, definitely not the way it’s achieved, lol.

On a short to medium range assault rifle, you don’t even need magnification greater than 4x. A simple button to toggle between 1x and 4x might even be the ultimate optics solution for a 0-300yd gun. Nice and compact too. How short could a 1-4x LPVO be made?

>>63868662
never even knew about these

>>63868760
>How short could a 1-4x LPVO be made?
By stacking a 1x on top of an ACOG.

>>63868564
Nah you're just retarded

>>63868721
Penile sounding and anal insertion.

>>63868760
>A simple ... toggle between 1x and 4x might even be the ultimate optics solution for a 0-300yd gun.
An Elcan?

Does anyone remember a stupidly overbuilt AR15 stock that came out in like 2013-2015? It was sorta 249 inspired, like a giant club shape. Most people I've mentioned it to know what I'm talking about but can't remember who made it or what it was called

>>63869468

Sounds like a SCAR clone

>>63868013
You were never as good at sports in high school as you tell people

>>63869468
ubr? this is the gen 2 og was bulkier

>>63869468
or vltor

>>63869519
>>63869502
Nope and nope, it was way beyond these in ridiculousness, It was basically an M249 fixed stock with the front chopped off. I've been searching google for hours on and off and can't find it, can't even find a rifle with it on it

>>63869534
oh that one i remember that, no clue who made it

>>63865419 (OP)
the highest speed low drag is to buy a gun and don't put anything on it exept sights

>>63869534
Was it the one with the giant compartment that could hold a compact Glock or was it the Seekins Precision one?

>>63869566
>>63869519
>>63869502
I found it, troy battleaxe. Incredibly stupid stock. I actually found it by looking at Evike.com airsoft stocks, they keep shit like this up forever and cached pics

>>63868418
The scope switch works fine. Magnification adjustable via remote switch on the rail only makes sense if you have a digital optic. A few decades from now, we probably will have powered rails and digital day/night/thermal optics.

>>63866136
>Fagpul put in a mountain of effort to be where they are.
They waited 2 decades to put rotation limited sling QDs in their stocks.

>>63869606
Good grief I wonder what the intent with this was.

>>63869468
The Troy Battleaxe? It's one of the most retarded stocks next to the Mule one that FAB defense released for 5 seconds

>>63868013
Yikes sweaty let's unpack this. Daddy issues?

>>63868583
Unless you shoot absolute cowitness, you are also a riser fsggot..

giant IR lasers that cost hundreds strapped to the front of your AR making it front heavy and lighting you up like a Christmas tree to everyone else who has nods (no, you aren't the only one who has nods, it only worked in the sandbox because hajis had no NV). Complete waste of money fad of the week pushed by larping guntubers

>>63870237

>>63870237
How is it a fad when every combat arms component of the us military uses them as their primary night sighting/aiming system? Also they cost thousands not hundreds

>>63868013
People with tattoos are very insecure. It's a coping mechanism where they don't like themselves so they alter their skin.
Tattoos turns out causes turbo cancer so eventually they'll die prematurely. We'll see tattoo cancer kill as much as obesity in the next few decades.

>>63870248
Because they are fighting against goat fuckers with no NV and maybe at the most Russians with no NV. 99% of the shtf sheep dawgs customizing their AR for combat in their own mainland USA will be seen by everyone else who has night vision in the USA, which is a lot of people

>>63865419 (OP)
Gas pedal

>>63868013
I'm extremely insecure but at least I'm not stupid enough to ink myself up and look like a meth head in a failed attempt to hide it.

>>63870258
Night Vision has not really proliferated as far as you'd think, the US is still the only military that issues them to regular line infantry. Every other military on the planet only issues them to their SF.

US SF also practices passive aiming, that's the entire reason for the SU/PEQ 231A (eotech), and passive aiming is not a concern for infantry. They still put LAMs on their rifles because it's incredibly useful in enclose structures where they aren't at risk of being observed by outside NV devices or thermals.

The concerns about getting your position revealed by using lasers is entirely a "light discipline" issue and can be resolved by training, not to mention a well trained enemy that has NV more than likely has thermals and will know your position anyway. Just knowing the enemy's position doesn't mean you can actually neutralize them

>>63870237
I don't think they're totally useless, but the cost/benefit ratio is crap. I have Streamlight TLR-VIR IIs on a couple of my rifles, and the dot is easily visible at well over 500 yards with gen 3 NODs. They're also 1/5 the cost, half the weight, and don't have parasitic drain issues like the more powerful lasers.

>>63870258
Also they were mostly operating from armored convoys and larger groups so everybody already knew where they were. Any small unconventional force is going to prioritize passive aiming as much as possible to keep the enemy unsure about their numbers and location.

>>63870237
>Complete waste of money fad of the week

but its been years

>>63865419 (OP)
Dumb shit like this AK axe buttstock when the zombie fad was all the rage back in the early 2010's.

>>63870316
>>63870332
I mostly agree with you, except for the proliferation of drones as well in the US which is a huge source of night vision. Police, military, and civilians have a fuck ton of drones in mainland US and they're only going to get more numerous

>>63870338
yes and they are going to fall out of fashion sooner rather than later due to the increase in numbers of drones and NV by police/civ/mil

>>63870346
I believe you but I've also never seen a drone personally or seen serious police drone footage, oddly the first police drone footage I saw was of those two six year olds playing with a gun a couple weeks ago

>>63870355
>I believe you but I've also never seen a drone personally
that's surprising. I see quad rotor drones flying over fairly often when walking out and about, can't tell if they're civ or police. Like over parks, suburbs etc. I live in the outskirts of north Phoenix

>>63870351
I don't think they are as quick as one might think, you just adhere to light discipline rules the same way as anything. You don't just leave it on, you're supposed to identify a target, aim at the target, hold on the laser to fine adjust, take one, maybe two shots, then release, ideally moving back into cover.

It's not end all beat all by any means, just another tool in the toolbox.

>>63865875
>Imagine going back to WW1 and showing everyone this.

I can think of other images that WW1 soldiers would find a lot more crazy!
Probably impactful enough for most of them to stop fighting right then and there.

>>63868357
elaborate

>>63865471
>>63865476
Apparently, Tapco still exists, and apparently they make AR15 pistolgrips too, a variant on that M249 SAW style grip they do for everything else.

>>63865419 (OP)
eggs!

>>63865480
Tapco is, 1, lower quality than MagPul, and 2, typically rather ugly to look at.

>>63865679
LMAO, that's certainly a gadget alright!

>>63868662
Wasn't there a video somewhere of this goofy fucking thing?

>>63866229
Do not eat.

>>63869468
I remember this ridiculous stock for the M14.
It looks vaguely neat in a movie gun sort of way, and it also makes the M14 weigh like 28lbs or something along those lines.
It was very heavy, and I think the developer said that's the point.

>>63871040
I love wacky chassis

Everything needs picatinny

>>63868418
>get shot
>leak on riffle
>rifle short circuits

>>63871035
>>63871040
It seemed to have completely disappeared from the internet, possibly there was only ever the one prototype seen in these three pictures (which are the only ones I have).

>>63871061
>>63871040
Oh god it’s like the ending of The Fly (1986)

>>63871045
Picrel is the comprised of the stupidest accessories in existence, but honestly, it looks pretty sick. I like it.

Crye precision (I think it was them) did something similar. They made a bullpup 12 gauge revolver called the six12. In my opinion an amalgamation of 3 inferior firearm types (I just don’t like shotguns), but when combined, they harmonize in a way that seems to ameliorate their least desireable attributes. It’s the only shotgun I’d buy (but they don’t make it).

>>63871045
>>63871198
Here’s one configuration of the six12

>>63871198
>It's the only shotgun I'd buy
The absolute state of nu/k/ shitskins

>>63871261
Fuck you, I don’t duck hunt and I don’t breech doors. I don’t give a shit about shotguns, except that one that’s just real neat

>>63868013
tattooed and retarded. many such cases.

>>63870116
Sometimes it is faster to regun than to reload.

>>63865664
A teardrop has one thousandth the drag coefficients as a cube of the same cross section.

>>63865718
The spitzer you posted is an example of an archaic design with substandard ballistics. Note the lack of boattail.

>>63870316
>the US is still the only military that issues them to regular line infantry. Every other military on the planet only issues them to their SF.

Didn't read further. That's a straight-up lie, plenty of them do. It's just Gen 2 stuff, and monocular/biocular only. That's still 80% of the way to a PVS-14.

>>63868982
I know you're sensitive to being called out but proof is in the pudding that the actual fucking grunts having to run with that shit were doing red dot on top while it was barbie-dolling up cops and consumers who ran with it. Yes, I know the great cop who domed the tranny spree killer had one - doesn't change the fact it's a gimmick. A gimmick can work, it just has little inherent value relative to a less gimmicky alternative.

IE putting the fucking red dot on top.

>>63871512
you're a retard

>>63871518
And you're a dumb cunt who consoooms and has to show how special and cool his gun is like a fucking woman and her shoes you prancing nancy faggot.

>>63871512
For what it's worth, a decent amount of the military guys who could configure their own kit used canted red dots.

>>63871556
But it's on the wrong side.

>>63865455
Rope nao

>>63871575
The owner of that rifle is obviously a lefty.

>>63871512
>>63871524
No. You have no concrete argument so you just become more pretentious.

>>63870949
I liked that stupid grip.

>>63870116
Me likey.

>>63869606
Looks like someone chopped off the ass end of an AUG, lol.

>>63865419 (OP)
>the dumbest high speed, low drag
"Safety Lines are for Faggots"

>>63871512
noguns post your rifle

>>63871198
I honestly really liked the concept of that magnifier. I would have liked to see where it would have gone had it matured a few iterations.

>>63870615
that's antisemitic

>>63866235
hellava standoff device haha

Extended mag releases on any gun not being used for competition. Putting race gun features onto carry guns is the current market trend, but extended mag releases are only going to make accidentally dropping the mag more likely while offering zero practical benefit for defensive use.

>>63868683
How weak are you that the 3-4lbs of recoil energy break your teeth? Drink some milk nigga

>>63869606
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>63873619
This is so true. I bought a Glock "upgraded" by someone else and it had one of these. Absolute trash. I couldn't carry it in a holster without it popping out a mag every 30 seconds it stuck out so far. just because you CAN do something to a gun, doesn't mean that you "upgraded" it

>>63865875
@grok is this real?

>>63870949
that grip does fuck tbqhwy

>>63871677
>>63874366
I have heard that Tapco's M249 grip is actually supposed to feel pretty good. It does look good, probably because it copies the M249 grip.

>>63865875
mesmerizing

>>63870258
NV is common but not that common. More people have thermal scopes and will see you anyway.

Fighting in the US is either race war (hopefully) or civil war. If it’s a civil war and you’re fighting the govt you better assume they can see you already and hide better. The IR laser isn’t going to give you away. If it’s race war, Jamal and Pedro aren’t likely to own sighted in rifles let alone NV to pair with them. I can’t see the situation where serious gun owners are getting into squad level firefights with other serious gun owners both using NV and IR lasers.

>>63873005
So did I. I think they’re discontinued because leupold could not manage to make and sell them for less than like 2 grand for the red dot + magnifier.

>>63870116
You are like little baby

>>63875909

>>63873619
I put a heavier magazine catch spring and a rounded / extended vickers tactical catch in my ccw glock 19. That fat, old Asian, red dot guy puts a reduced weight version in his.