In terms of how battles were actually fought, the American Revolutionary War is one of the least understood, and most erroneously depicted in popular media.

Open order formations, which moved at a running pace if need be, were common, even more so than rigid robotic lines which struggled on rough terrain. Soldiers were rational actors who used cover or went prone for protection. Smoothbores were not as comedically inaccurate as believed, and frequently used effectively out to 100 yards, and semi-effectively out to 300. Troops would fire at will as fast as they could, instead of taking turns with the enemy like a JRPG battle. Battles usually didn't end with a bloody melee, but with the other side being run off the battlefield. If you watch a hollywood movie of a musket-era battle, and think "why didn't they just ___?" the answer is usually that they did.

>>63865625 (OP)
based
during the smoke-filled retreat from Bunker Hill, my nth-great-grandfather reloaded his musket and killed a redcoat who was bayonetting a wounded patriot

>>63865625 (OP)
You forgot about the breastwork and dismount cavalry

>>63865692
Yes, i'm sure you also have a cherokee great-great-grandmother and can trace your ancestry back to the mayflower

>>63865625 (OP)
Yes and no. The red coats whole gameplan was to form a line and overwhelm with Fire Superiority but then found out Accurate Fire Superiority was in fact better.

>>63865625 (OP)
I think a lot of the inaccurate depictions are due to the fact yurop, or at least the sections of yurop that saw a lot of warfare among the major yuro powers is pretty flat. like northern italy has mountains but no one thinks about famous battles in northern italy or swizerland.
There is a lot of flat land in bongland, frog land, the low countries, nazi land, poland and into commie land.
The east coast of the US has (and especially during the 1700s had) a lot of hilly areas due to the Catskills, appalachian and palisades as well as heavily wooded areas compared to yurop at the same time

>>63865804
>>63865625 (OP)
the bongs didn't have significant cavs during the revolution. it was one of the reasons why they could never decisively break the patriot army. The patriots in the south did have horse soldiers and they tended to beat the bongs at places like cowpens pretty bad

>>63865625 (OP)
>Muh battles.
More French troops fought in the "American" Revolutionary War than American troops. And the entire thing would not ever be possible without the French navy disrupting British trans-Atlantic logistics. It was an "American Revolutionary War" the same way the 2014 Russian invasion was a "Donbass Revolutionary War."
The point being, there is not point in splitting hairs when the entire fucking narrative surrounding the thing is fake revisionist propaganda.

>>63865625 (OP)
I get the impression that it's 90% for the sake of pushing a narrative about individualism, in which the revolutionaries win because they have the idea, totally never before considered or done by anybody else, to not fight standing in lines (don't ask why they were still doing so nearly a century later in the civil war).
The 10% is maybe people reading the British drill manuals of the period and assuming that regiments would blindly follow whatever the manual prescribed, without ever adjusting tactics in the field to better suit their environment or when better alternatives existed.

>>63865625 (OP)
don't mind me, just posting the most relevant battle of the american revolution (no americans were involved)

>>63866692
Did some zoomer youtuber or chinkapp user make some video recently or something?
Everyone seems to be talking about how the Americans pioneered rifled light infantry warfare (lol lmao), that the bongs had no idea what skirmish tactics were (lol lmao) or that line warfare was somehow already outdated when it was in its prime for how to conduct warfare effectively
There must be some brain rot out there that's got everyone talking about it again

>>63866689
This will always make me chuckle
>be frogs
>colonial bongs are getting uppity at bongs
>smell an opportunity
>win their rebellion for them, bankrupting your own state in the process
>now independent bong colonists immediately side with the bongs in a naval war against you
>they sign deals cooperating with bongs too
>your own populace is now demanding to be a Republic because you bankrupt the country
>ask for debts to be repaid so you can appease your populace
>US tells you they can't really pay you back because it would be wrong to support your monarchy
>get overthrown
>republican frogs ask for the debts to be repaid
>US tells them they can't really do that because the debts they owed were to the king
Lmao, the perfidious nature runs through their blood

>>63866034
Not that anon, but some of us have family histories worth remembering. I feel bad for people with forgotten, meaningless lineages like yourself. No need to mask your envy with cynicism just because you're an NPC.

>>63865625 (OP)
Wait...you're telling me this movie was full of shit?

>>63866640
>yuroup
What???
But yes, much of the Continent has Plains along the north

>>63867051
That doesn't look like Chesapeake or Yorktown.

>>63867086
The French immediately started treating the Americans like lapdogs and then caused their own naval problem.

then

"We are going to start warring on Europe in a Jacobin chimpout, on top of us skirmishing at sea, you MUST help us!"

>>63866689
>More French troops fought in the "American" Revolutionary War than American troops.
source?
>>63867051
you yuros are mad as fuck you got bodied

>>63867133
Ok onion farmer.

Try watching Old Britannia if you want the biased take, but the primary sources are all public. Consider reading.

>>63867086
bongs didn't start mass issuing rifles to their light infantry until after they got BTFOd during the revolution. the baker rifles weren't issued until after 1800
also yuros deserve to get stiffed
>>63867128
he's a seething yuro who owns no gunz

>>63867104
Completely

>>63867135
doesn't look like a source to me.
yuros sure are mad that America is just better.
hell one old woman captured 6 bong elite grenadiers

>>63867139
get better bait

>>63866689
Fags also forget about the significant Spanish involvement as well. They actively fought the British. This wasn't cause they gave a fuck about the Americans but because they had scores to settle from the 7 Years War. In many ways US War of Independence was just a continuation of that latter war with everyone ganging up on the Brits cause they saw a golden opportunity to do so.

>>63867141
that isn't bait, it's documented. it was read on the floor of parliament. one old lady in the US singlehandedly captured 6 red coat grenadiers. Mother Batherick (Bathericke) was her name. bongs have always been a cowardly lot

>>63867133
Don't let yourself be fooled by the brits, they are the master of engineering a narrative. I wholeheartedly believe there wouldn't be a USA without foreign intervention from the French and the Spaniards

>t. canuck

>>63867162
no the whole yourapoor bit, you've been doing it for so long now and it's gotten very, very stale

>>63867225
I'll stop calling you yuropoors yuropoors when you stop saying Amerimutts, mutts and Americfats and you stop posting no gunz threads

>>63867255
but you aren't a burger, your that schizoid blackend spammer from slovenia

>>63867263
Nah, I'm American and I own guns. yuros are the ones who love black dick. yuros keep spamming black dick porn, tranny porn and faggot porn

>>63867086
>Everyone seems to be talking about how the Americans pioneered rifled light infantry warfare (lol lmao), that the bongs had no idea what skirmish tactics were (lol lmao) or that line warfare was somehow already outdated when it was in its prime for how to conduct warfare effectively
Since you said this in response to my post and I'm not entirely sure if you were referring to it specifically or not, I'll just make explicitly clear that it was only speculating on why these misconceptions might exist rather than saying that's what actually happened.

>>63867284
iirc yuros are the ones spamming tranny and faggot porn but jeets are spamming nigger porn from the leak

>>63867426
that was in the leak?

>>63867284
>you are
besides we all know that the blackend and tranny porn gets made in the US for the american audience since they can't stop thinking about blacks for some reason

>>63867482
the guy who created blacked was french and he made it for yuros

>>63867502

The American Revolutionary War is often misunderstood and portrayed. The media portrays it as a small band of plucky farmers and lumberjacks beating a global spanning empire... When in reality it was French and Spanish and Dutch (and Poles and others) fighting alongside an American army that outnumbered in North America the global British number of soldiers. Britain also was a minor player in terms of empires (and, ironically, this war allowed them to become the dominant power for various reasons). The American Revolutionaries were trained by Brits and then trained by French and Poles and supplied by French and Spanish.
>w-w-well the Brits still lost!
Yeah they did and they would have eventually lost the colonies even had they won. As I said, ultimately losing it was better long term.

The interesting part of the war was that people (aka experts) post war started publishing books and papers and stuff stating that the reason the British lost was because the American's adopted the continent form of fighting (which itself was inspired by Prussia) where firepower was the goal and the British should go into that... Only for the following decades showing that the Brits had it right, a few volleys then a determined bayonet charge would win more battles than prolonged shot exchanges (and the battles where the Brits did do this and won were so costly that they by and large abandoned it). Ultimately their form of combat proved right until the later end of the 19th century due to development of breech loading rifles, machine guns, rockets etc.

>>63867669
google it. it was literally a jewish frog and only yuros and indians watch it
>>63867700
bongs lost because they were and still are cowardly pussies. a single old lady captured 6 British grenadiers by herself

The American revolution was a complex political event that gets used by Russian propaganda as a double whammy, the idea of 1) “MUH GUNS” domestic extremist larpers who won’t do shit and 2) revolting against the world leadership of Great Britain when today vatniks want Americans to refuse our supporting role in countering putins aggression

>>63867779
Are you a child or retarded? Honestly, what mental illness brings you here day after day.

>>63867881
It is called being brown

He is mad that the UK is the nerve center of the coalition against Putin

>>63867162
>>63867779
>In his 1864 address West Cambridge on the Nineteenth of April, 1775, Samuel Abbott Smith told the story of six regulars surrendering to “Mother Batherick” after the supply wagon they were rolling west was attacked.
>Within ten years, that story and that line were appearing in an American school textbook,
>The line has been quoted in many histories of the battle, from Colonial Society of Massachusetts publications to Fischer’s Paul Revere’s Ride to popular compendiums published in the last few years.
>But all the citations for the statements about that gibe in British newspapers appear to go back to Smith, writing almost ninety years after the event on a different continent. No author points to an actual newspaper or politician in Britain saying such a thing.
Not convincing desu ne

>>63867890
>>63867860
>>63867881
post guns you seething yuro homosexuals. it's literally documented the bongs surrendered to an old woman and it was read on the floor of parliament

>>63867897
you homos said the same thing about parker's revenge and then we found physical evidence that it happened exactly where they said it happened

>>63867700
This is both right and sort of incorrect at same time. UK had actually just become a major player in terms of empires thanks to them coming out as top dog in the Seven Years War. They won that war a little too well for everyone involved that their former allies turned against them and they had so much territory to consolidate they didn't know what to do with.

What you find is often overlooked with the US side is that their heavy use of skirmishers and guerilla warfare, being armed often with rifles made by autistic Austrian gunsmiths. Tactics that were closer to what you'd see guerrillas adopt in Spain during the Napoleonic Wars and also kind of forgotten about by the US which gimped in later wars.

>>63865625 (OP)
>even more so than rigid robotic lines which struggled on rough terrain.
the tight line formations were to prevent the soldiers from getting run over by cavalry. no british cavalry, no reason to stand in a line in the middle of a field.

>>63867920
So? Doesn't mean it is "documented".
Currently there is nothing to suggest wether or not it happened which is distinctly different from anything we have archeological evidence or multiple contemporary sources for.

>>63866034
>>63867094
>I feel bad for people with forgotten, meaningless lineages like yourself.
So much this.
My paternal lineage traces back to a nth ancestors indentured servitude in the new world via Scotland
My maternal lineage traces back to my great grandfather coming to America as a locomotive engineer from Ireland.
My fathers side has been in America since before it was called that and I'm only 3rd gen American on my mothers side.

>>63867929
the US had riflemen in 1812
>>63867947
the first documented accounts of parker's revenge are from the same time period as the samuel Abbott Smith thing and they found physical evidence. most of the patriots day documents we have date back to the mid 1800s and we later found physical evidence for a decent bit of it.

Americans were a joke back then. Good thing France and Spain joined them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Revolutionary_War_battles

>>63867914
>It is written so it is true
right on Sukdeeph Dipshyt
it is also written that you are a homosexual pajeet so it must be true

>>63868028
>>63868003
you brown yuros sure are mad that yuros have always been cowards who were bad at war

>>63866034
My family always claimed to be Cherokee, but it just turned out to be like 10% Spanish.

>>63866689
More frogs fought if you're a limey and lump the Revolution in with concurrent conflicts back in Europe. More frogs did not fight in the actual Americas.

>>63867086
And Trump wants us to believe HE pulled off the greatest deal in American history. He lost when we were still going to be called Columbia.

>>63867136
They used rifle armed light infantry regiments before the US revolution, nobody mass issued them because skirmish tactics were inferior en mass compared to line warfare due to the limitations of both the firearms themselves and the ability to communicate and follow orders while fighting in that manner, it was an auxiliary style of fighting to compliment the battle
Everyone at the time knew this, and had known this for over a century
The US did not pioneer their usage at all, the Germans had been using them a long time
British light infantry tactics is what the British colonials were aping, along with the British line tactics
Because get this you stupid buck toothed bongoloid (yes, that is what you are amerilard), the bong colonists, many of which had been bong soldiers learned everything through their bong society
Your founding myth bullshit doesn't work in the late modern era

>>63868077
>No you are brown!
I love how absolutely rekt you are that brown and turdie have been turned around to counter /pol/ extremism and russian influence

>>63868157
>>63868092
post guns. I'm white, I'm American and I own guns. no one who seethes about Trump or russia is white. no one who seethes about trump or muh russian influence is American. you are brown yuro thirdies
>>63868114
you are one seething brown third world yuro. bong light infantry didnt use rifles until after the war but American light infantry commonly used rifles. An America rifleman killed one of the top bong generals at Saratoga with a rifle.
American tactics were also different because the east coast of America has more woods and hills than northern yurop and the bongs didn't have that many horses.

>>63868191
mindbroken

>>63868157
The /pol/ user is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a stormfag, groyper, election tourist, /pol/troon, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him brown and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out!"

>>63868191
Not having many horses present I the theatre doesn't mean bong tactics were different you fucking idiot
And yes, they did use rifles during and before the US revolution, you are objectively wrong and a malding muttoid angloid

>>63868208
>>63868210
I'm American and white, post guns you brown ass yuros
>>63868233
lack of cavalry had a huge effect on the war. you don't need to line up if you arent going to get cavalry charged and you can retreat safely with no cavs. napoleon had a quote about battles without cavs not being decisive.
most revolution battles were
>bongs attacked
>patriot lines broke
>patriots retreated
>bongs waste hours chasing while suffering harassing fire from light infantry as Washington or Laffyette escapes with 99% of his forces
fucking brown ass retard

>>63868250
You cannot read the only language you know you fucking retard
I didn't say it didn't change how the war was conducted you stupid fucking nigger, maybe quote me
>no need to line up
Kek, you know literally nothing about warfare of the era, there are several massive reasons why lining up was not just useful, but an outright necessity
Your skin is the color of shit, yet you continue to protect
Become an hero 56%er

>>63868250
>yourapoors can't fight
>let me cite a yourapoor as an subject expert about fighting
brown "logic"

>>63868292
>>63868281
post guns brown "boy". surely you have guns and white hands like I do, yuro

>>63868378
I wonder how much it costs someone in a vatnik troll farm to ask a demoralized psyop victim, or maybe one they caught in a sex crimes telegram channel, to take a picture of guns next to a certain 4chan link to boost their influence op. One wonders.

>>63868378

>>63868389
>>63868395
doesnt look like you two homosexuals are posting gunz

>>63868416
ssssssshhhhhhhhh I'm pwosting gwuns

>>63868378
>tawny skeletor bongoloid seething after repeatedly being BTFO
Lmao

>>63868480
>>63868454
still dont see any guns on the gun board. you to must be indian diaspora no gunz

>>63868707
>loses an argument
>throws a tantrum
Lmao

>>63867982
True but my argument is they didn't make effective use of them.

>>63868746
you got btfo'd and humiliated. no gunz brown

>>63868944
>18th century
>>no need to line up

>>63868963
>brown no gunz spends half the thread calling others brown
>gunz and hand get posted
>no we need to get back on topic, no reason for me to post my brown hand and lack of gunz
every time with you yuros

>>63865625 (OP)
>Smoothbores were not as comedically inaccurate as believed
yes, they were
>frequently used effectively out to 100 yards, and semi-effectively out to 300
in practice however these figures are more like 50 and 100 yards, possibly due to user error and quality control issues
>Troops would fire at will as fast as they could, instead of taking turns with the enemy like a JRPG battle
wrong
they did fire as fast as they could, but due to the slow speed of reloads and the necessity of firing by platoons, this would end up appearing to "take turns" as you put it
>Battles usually didn't end with a bloody melee, but with the other side being run off the battlefield
wrong, in the sense that the other side was run off in a bloody melee
Waterloo is a fine example
>If you watch a hollywood movie
you're a retard anyway for doing so
Hollywood basically gets everything wrong. period.

>>63868454
>>63868480
NTA you two are in it with, but board rules more or less hold that you lost, he won. I am not an American, I do not own guns (fucking kill me), but if you're called out as being a nogunz, and you dodge and do anything but post gunz while somehow still dancing around the fact you're a nogunz non-Burger then, well, it should be clear.
I get there's a lot of tourists on the board lately, but damn.

>>63868992
>>you are one seething brown third world yuro. bong light infantry didnt use rifles until after the war but American light infantry commonly used rifles
Projecting again kiddo?

>>63869029
Shut the fuck up retard nogunz
We're talking about 19th century warfare, unless thay nigger wants to start posting his brown bess I don't give a fuck
>Post guns
>Post models
>Post car
None of these save losing arguments you retard

>>63867929
>What you find is often overlooked with the US side is that their heavy use of skirmishers and guerilla warfare
actually, that's the pop-his version of the ARW; that the US won because they had Viet Cong-like guerillas sniping stupid bong officers and then running away with impunity

reality is that the US militia skirmishers were poorly-trained and would often be wiped out by disciplined British platoon fire, which is precisely why up until the mid-19th century skirmishers always needed backing by proper infantry battalions
the US revolutionaries started winning when they could form such battalions themselves, i.e. were given the resources and training and leadership by the French to do so

on the other side, the British took this lesson to heart, as did one other person: Napoleon, who used skirmishers en masse and revolutionised European warfare. unlike the British however he didn't adopt the rifle or create a dedicated elite skirmisher corps. the British were the first army to do so - not American revolutionaries - and they first defeated the French in the opening battles of the Peninsular Campaign, then trained and armed the Portuguese, Spanish and Germans in these tactics.

OP is correct in that in most media depicting major battles of this era, the vital role of the skirmisher is always absent

Have Americans gotten closer to dumb ruZZian orcs or have vatniks gotten improved at mimicking Americans?

>something blows up in Moscow or Iran
>suddenly an anti-British seethe from absolutely nowhere, masked as a history question but bad faith

>>63869094
Watch out anon, you'll get called a brown shitskin if you keep posting historical facts

>>63867225
you are poor as fuck compared to even poor americans. youre thirdies in your own continent.

>>63869099
Combination of both, arguably. Trumpism has brain rotted Americans into a Putin-like state of mind, and pushed the Overton window to now include literal Russian propaganda in the realm of American political discourse.

>. youre
Grim

>>63869031
you literally started the brown comments, you no gunz brownoid.
>>63869047
you dont have any gunz and you arent white. cope pajeet

>>63869094
the bongs lost because they are and were homosexual cowards who are bad at war. they spent the whole time having gay sex then got btfo'd by superior Americans at Yorktown.
American riflemen also killed bong generals like Fraser
>>63869109
all bongs are indian

>>63869099
>>63869142
nah, the issue is you bongs are fags and have always been fags and continue to act like faggots online and then get mad when you get called out like the no gunz queers you are. no one in the US gives a shit about your continent

>>63869185
>you literally
No I literally did not
Quote me if you're so certain, cretin
>following meltdown about bongoloids
Holy shit lmao, some buck tooth limey raped your ugly whore mother or something?

>>63866640
>many national borders perfectly follow geographic contours
Crazy how nature do that.

>>63869028
Source: your ass

>>63866034
mayflower ancestry is extremely common you retard. Those people have had 400 years of their offspring reproducing.

>>63867104
What he's saying is the patriot was actually accurate. That movie was all about swamp fox warfare.

>>63869343
To be fair he didn't say it wasn't
>can trace

Cowboy Fred here from now York oblast and and my ancestors didn’t fighting redcoats on mayflower so we could ally with the bongs to fight Putin, we must glorious multi polar world xaxaxa)))

>18th century thread
>2020s politics
Worst board by far

>>63866034
Ellis Islander moment

>>63866034
i can trace my dads side of my family to a single guy that sailed to jamestown from the uk when he was 11 around year 1624

>>63867137
Even the bit where the brits burned the yanks in the barn?

>>63869196
And like clockwork, the turdie deleted his own post to play the victim.

>>63869142
MAGA is a brain disease of yanks who have a problem with authority. The problem is, they are the authorities now, but are acting like this is a podcast. It is an utterly deplorable state of affairs that r*ssia is now able to exploit this power vacuum.

>>63869950
cope and seethe no guns yuropoor yurotrash.

>>63869715
wrong. worst board is /gif/

>>63869974
Fuck off shill.
>>63869950
It's bad, it's a clown show enabled/ran by chuds, schizoids, and russian plants.

>>63870029
you will never be a gun owner, you are a yuropoor twisted by seething and coping into a shallow mockery of an american.

>>63870069
Blow me, schizoid. The world would be objectively better without you.

>>63869324
>Source:
battle accounts, dumbfuck

>>63869715
Insane how rapidly this thread seems to have degenerated. When I opened it I was expecting actual discussion and maybe people (such as I) excited for that revolutionary war event in War of Rights. Guess I should've lowered my expectations.

>>63867094
On my dad's side I have an Irishman who murdered a guy and got away with it because he was most likely a Danite and he was friends with Brigham Young
On my mom's side I have a German Jew whose family fled to Virginia after the 1848 Revolution and he joined the Confederate Army for the bounty and deserted along with an escaped slave named George Washington, but got caught, and the only reason he didn't get executed is because his regiment had like 400% casualties and needed the manpower, so he ended up fighting in all the worst battles and finished the war as a sergeant

>>63869140
>you guys are the second richest in the world and have a higher quality of life
>that means you are poor
I laugh at you while I'm on one of my 35 paid vacation days

>>63866034
my great-great-grandmum on my mum's side was Qing nobility, she grew up in a Forbidden City-style enclosed estate

Since this thread is still vaguely about military history: pic rel is the pattern 1776 rifle employed by Great Britain and utalised by some of the soldiers of the light company of a given regiment.

>>63866689
Trvke

>>63870965
Same.
I had high hopes for a discussion with OP mentioning ranges but that rapidly evaporated.
Can't have shit these days.

>>63866034
i have scottish ancestors who fought on both sides if i remember right

>>63866640
Some of the most famous military campaigns take place in northern italy with plenty of fighting in mountains or hills. Line battle are simply a stereotype of this era and as such everyone thinks thats all they did. Revo war wasnt special in that regard.

>>63866689
>More French troops fought than Americans
This is outright false and you pulled it out of your ass
>America wouldn't be independent if it weren't for French involvement
Yea I don't understand why Brits think this is some epic own they teach us this in school and we have towns & statues names after Lafayette