Missiles are useless. Militaries should focus on achieving air supremacy

>>63870538 (OP)
I am going to blame iranian and russian culture, not the tool

>>63870538 (OP)
God bless Donald J Trump and all the allies to the Jewish faith.

>>63870559
>and Russian culture
Rent free

>>63870570
yes, both Iran and Russia have what I'd describe as prey animal cultures, their "warriors" are not bred to conquer but to die in droves, they have no clue what military culture looks like or what the benefits are

>>63870538 (OP)
>immediate vatnig seethe
Iran's fucked lol

>>63870579
Oh, it's the BBC spamming finn from /pol/. It's true, military cultures lose their second biggest city and claim victory

>>63870589
So trust sista, Iran collapsed two weeks ago, total Jewish victory has been achieved! Hooray!

>>63870608
again, you act like *you* not understanding something is scary to *us*

literally an inferior species, no way around it

>>63870614
>>63870608

Ballistic missiles are what they had. They can make decent ballistic missiles using American system on chip packages which trivializes making flight control / navigation (the hard parts), but an effective conventional weapon NEEDS terminal guidance or at least very high-end navigation. Ballistic missiles are stuck in a catch-22 — if you fling them way up and let them crash down at hypersonic speed, it makes them harder to intercept but they can’t use guidance due to being in a fireball. If you design them to slow down in their terminal descent you can use guidance to actually hit something — but then you make them much easier to track and intercept by a much wider set of AD assets. These Iranian MRBMs needed high-end INS to get a better hit probability but they can’t source such systems which are all custom order pieces from a handful of Western MIC manufacturers. The American commercial-grade SoCs are pretty good, cheap, easily sourced via sanction-ignoring suppliers — but they can’t compete with real military gyroscopes. So, they can build a lot but they can’t hit anything,

The only positive for Iran is that Israel is being forced to intercept these cheap shit missiles with very pricey ABM systems (Arrow). Each Arrow 2/3 costs millions and the support systems like the Pine Green radar and other components are very sophisticated and expensive high-end gear just to shoot down junk missiles made from commercial parts launched from trucks and that probably won’t hit their target. It’s a very lopsided economic exchange.

>mfw this thread

>>63870538 (OP)
>only 37 of 440 launched missiles landed.
Israel is running out of interceptors, their interception rate against Iran’s remaining 1,500 ballistic missiles will probably get worse. You need an average of two interceptors per ballistic missile for a reliable interception. There are approximately 3000 interceptors of the kind Israel uses in the entire world, less than half of them are owned by America (~1,200), and even less are owned by Israel. America doesn’t want o give Israel anymore of its interceptors because it wants to save them up for a war against China(which involve MUCH more ballistic missiles than are being used in the Israel-Iran war).

>>63870640
*would involve

>>63870640
>Iran’s remaining 1,500
With what launchers

>>63870626
>>63870627
Post vyborg

>>63870645
Post kharkiv

>>63870570

>>63870640
The Iranians have only launched 500 missiles so far, the jews are claiming to have destroyed 1000 missiles kek
>>63870643
May we see the wrecks? You may proceed to post the aftermath

>>63870643
The ones Iran is currently using to attack Israel, most of those launchers were hidden underground

>>63870656
>the jews are claiming to have destroyed 1000 missiles kek
Israeli claims are greatly exaggerated to persuade America that entering a war against Iran will be a walk in the park(it won’t).

>>63870650
Post kursk
Post Crimea
Post donetsk
Post mariupol
Post luhansk

>>63870659
So they go above, get wacked and are useless again?

>>63870665
Post kherson and some tu95s

>>63870608
Pretty sure that third guy was surrendering.

>>63870666
They go above, fire their missiles, and then go back underground. If Israel was capable of reliably destroying all Iranian launchers, why has Iran been attacking Israel with ballistic missiles for the past 6 days?

>>63870694
Many launchers launching progressively less because there are less every night. Which is consistent with whats happened.

>>63870665
Are any of those justification for having troops in Kiev and getting kicked out?

>>63870608
>>63870570
lmao, still posting those old videos??
here's one from today.
your russian friends have are having a bad time in Sumi lmao

>>63870705
Israel claims that it’s destroying 35-40 Iranian launchers every day, on top of their strikes on missile production factories. Even if that were true, almost none of Israel’s attacks on Iranian launchers occurred in Eastern Iran, because it’s out of reach of Israeli jets and stand off missiles. Furthermore Israel would have to know the full amount of Iran’s launchers, which I doubt it does.

>>63870665
>>63870650
I wonder how many russians were turned to ash in all those tanks

>>63870721
There's a video to this one I hear.

>>63870614
I do find it funny how Russia is just losing allies one by one as the war drags on.

>>63870656
why would a launcher without a missile on it have a secondary? id love to pick your brain, what little of it is left

>>63870730
Like 30 countries, including 3 European countries, attended V day parades in Russia last May.

>>63870645
again, *you* not understanding something is *not* scary to *us*

>>63870561
Trump has been the biggest ally to Israel since the US after WW2

>>63870627
what model is this?

>>63870736
>Like 30 countries, including 3 European countries, attended V day parades in Russia last May

List them so I can laugh at the lineup of 80 IQ shitskins (plus Chyna)

>>63870538 (OP)
how reliable are these yidsraeli claims? Haifa was hit by a rocket yesterday, it's been about a week since they started their SMO.

>>63870981
muh beheaded babies
never trust a jew about anything
they lie as much as jeets

>>63871001
but they have enough military culture to understand not to lie about things that would cause problem for their military allies mere 15 seconds down the road.. unlike the other side thats more dangerous to their own side than to enemy

>Missiles are useless. Militaries should focus on achieving air supremacy

Isn't this literally the opposite lesson taken by the USA and USSR in the middle of the 20th century? What changed?

>>63871014
the iranians apparently hardcore bottlenecked themselves while drawing up the plans in the decades running up to this moment

>>63871013
>but they have enough military culture to understand not to lie about things that would cause problem for their military allies mere 15 seconds down the road
lol
lmao

israel is literally a rogue state off the handle, it already oversteps all possible boundaries and propagates obscene amounts of lies.
Tel Aviv got hit by a barrage a few hours ago, btw. Looks like trying to boast about your SMO with 5 different angle reels of the same launcher isn't a smart strategy to convince anyone that you're stronk.

>>63870720

> Israel would have to know the full amount of Iran’s launchers

Israeli intelligence knows what underwear the Iranian top command is using. That is why they are all dead, and the guy that replaced their top general was dead as well 3 days latter. Their opsec is dogshit.

Stop coping, Iran is a joke, like all sand people.

>>63871042
you not understanding what you see isn't scary to us

>>63870538 (OP)

Everything is useless if your culture is garbage. Shitty dictatorships in shitty cultures will never be effective at war. They promote based on loyalty not competence.

Look at the Orange clown trying to imitate them. His first term was unironically decent, because he was surrounded by competent people, that refused to go along with his crazy and stupid shit.
Second term, he can stop humiliating himself and he is conducting military planning over chat group in Signal, because he surrounded himself with loyal retards.

>>63870538 (OP)
>Missiles with 1km CEPs are useless.
ftfy

>>63871058
>in Signal
.. that particular leak.. has something weird about it, like.. the statements about Europe read like they were intended to have outside audience outside the Signal group

>>63870743
We didn't need vyborg anyway amirite

>>63871095
the civilians .. the important part.. were evacuated and USSR lost the war so hard it literally stopped existing

>>63870736
I wonder why you said "3 European countries" instead of simply naming them?
>Belarus, Serbia, and Slovakia.

>>63871110
>Slovakia
I remember how /k/ made up shit about how fico was too scared to attend the parade

>>63871064
yes
iran has old irbms like that
but they also have ones with around 15 m CEP
they just have far more of the former

>>63870538 (OP)

Missiles were not effective because of the advanced anti air system.

If you have a really advanced anti air system and not a worse copy of old Russian mediocre systems sending planes would result in a lot of lost planes which are far more expensive than missiles.

The real lessons here are:

1) big slow drones over long distances are easy targets.

2) the most expensive and extensive and modern anti air system has about 90% to 95% interoception rate against a wide mixed missiles selection. Which is great in most cases but still shows that if you are an aircraft carrier or target of a MIRV nuke your air defenses regardless how good won't likely be able to defend completely against large missiles barrages

3) hypersonic missiles seem the only ones able to get trough with a minimum level or reliability. So anti missile tech needs to adapt because if the backwards Iranian have begun to be able to make copies of such missiles we can expect the Chinese to have far better version and orders of magnitude more in numbers.

4) doing SEAD against a country with no air force and using mostly Soviet equipment and replicas while you have F-35 and long range stealth radar homing missiles is quite doable. In particular if you manage to take them by surprise and smash their anti air systems on the opening days. It helps when the opponent was under sanctions for decades so only the Russians would sell them something.

5)Also Israel also used a lot of long range missiles in the opening barrage to take out Iranian air defense just Israel preference is on air launched missiles rather than ground launched missiles but ultimately it's just that one is boosted up by a plane and one by a booster stage

7) if Iran had planes instead of missiles it would have been even more embarrassing as it's limited tech would have turned that fight into a turkey shoot without Iran even being able to retaliate

8) missiles were the only affordable option for Iran to have some deterrent

>>63870538 (OP)
I don't know why anyone is surprised. A well rounded military will always be ideal. Going balls deep on the missile tech tree is still putting all of your eggs in one basket.

>>63871110
Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia, and you’re right, I forgot about Belarus. So your European countries.
>>63870976
Given that China is a the largest manufacturing nation in the world, that’s a pretty usefully ally to have.

>>63871136
>I don't know why anyone is surprised.
I am mostly surprised at how small the iranian stockpile, I recall someone here saying they literally have tens of thousands of missiles ready to go

>>63871139
*four

I'm guessing that part of it is because the total area Israel has to protect is pretty small. Like if the US only needed to defend New Jersey.

>>63871140
They were probably retarded and conflated Iran with Hezbollah. Which, they did have a lot of dogshit grad's and grad knockoffs before Israel skull fucked them.

A common theme here. Missile stockpiles are cool and all, but you still need to actually need to use them. Ideally before the enemy is patrolling your skies.

>>63871139
>ally
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What do you think Israel used to strike Iran? Dive bombs?

They use air launched missiles.

Really the difference is that Israel AD is far better and that Israel preference is for air launching missiles instead of using boosters.

Wars now are missile wars.
Dogfight is obsolete and dropping simple bombs is only possible after missiles have done their job.

Ships don't use cannons anymore it's missiles. Torpedoes are replaced by missiles.

Tanks are taken out by missiles.
Even artillery is using guided rocket propelled ammo to go further which is practically missiles.

Suicide drones are effectively guided missiles too just using a propeller instead of a chemical or jet engine.

Everything is converging towards missiles.

Iran would have sucked regardless even if they put all their money in an air force. Likely even worse.

>>63871171
I think naval guns have their place, like keeping 100km of houthi settled shoreline completely depopulated of anything living economically

>>63870538 (OP)
Just short of two more weeks I guess

>>63871171
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

>>63871014
No? The US uses missiles to achieve air dominance, the thing beyond air superiority, because it's lower risk, when possible, but we have far more JDAMs and spend far more money on planes then we do on cruise missiles.

Missiles are only good for delivering nukes, which is a very different use case then normal warfare.

>>63870538 (OP)
Nice, Israel can do this themselves then. Excellent military.

>>63871164
What cope are you using this time?

>>63870630
High value post.
"Cheap" precision ends at about 3-4 Mach terminal speed were you can use optical seeker for DSMAC like Iskander does.

>>63871205
Just because a country is willing to buy your fossil exports at a massive discount doesn't make them your ally. China has contributed less to the Russian war effort proportionally speaking than even the laziest, most lukewarm bumfuck Euro country has done for Ukraine. BRICS is a fucking joke.

>>63871218
>China has contributed less to the Russian war effort proportionally speaking
Chinese are the smartest of the bunch by wide margin

>>63870538 (OP)
>dumb dumb use fire stick, average warboy need fire hundreds of little rocks before kill enemy, but grug only needs 1 club

>>63871218
…and other copes you tell yourself.

Look, when I said ally I meant in the sense of diplomatic relations, not a war ally. You might seethe at the prospect that Russia isn’t isolated diplomatically as Von Der Leyen wishes it were, but that’s no reason to ignore reality and delude yourself.

>>63870645
>Post vyborg
It's an absolute shithole compared to what it look like during Finnish rule. I'm not sure it's something Russians should boast about.

>>63871236
>I'm not sure it's something Russians should boast about.
yeah, I think that poster has never even seen a a russian, you can tell how they're obsessively focused on proving that russians cannot tell their ass from a hole in the ground

>>63871233
>look when I said ally I meant a guy who won't condemn you diplomatically because you're fighting his enemies without him needing to lift a finger and he's perfectly content to watch you eviscerate your country while he profits off your desperation

Really funny that you should call anyone out on cope.

>>63871246
Here you are arguing semantics(and failing at it), while Russia still isn’t diplomatically isolated

>>63871252
>while Russia still isn’t diplomatically isolated
only prey animal cultures for friend.. except for China.. who views them as lunch

>>63871265
What are you talking about now, you retard?

>>63870538 (OP)
No shit. Only subhumans like krauts and ragheads are forced to use rockets because they're too stupid for air superiority.

>>63871268
Stalin had friends too, you might've heard of the Nazis

>>63871270
>air superiority is when you lose 10000 aircraft against a poor east Asian shithole

>>63871252
>it's okay, we aren't isolated, we are friends with irrelevant third world shitholes and China signed a declaration of eternal friendship then left us on read
jej

>>63871281
>China signed a declaration of eternal friendship
I remember Hitler and Stalin having had something similar

>>63870736

Slovak here, we do not count as Europe at the moment, the current admin is at the level of the orange retard. They got voted in due to a full half of the country being boomers t-blocked in the 70s by soviets and castrated by Russia in the 2010s. These retards got to vote.
And only tenuously at best the rest of the time.

>>63871290
I'm not entirely certain Russia could successfully invade Mongolia. I do look forward to seeing how Russia can somehow lose the Pacific Fleet to a *landlocked* country with no navy this time.

>>63871279
I don't think you know what air superiority means

>>63870656
>Iran has only launched several times it's GDP in missiles and already killed alomst a dozen civilians
It's so over for Israel ))))))))))

>>63870538 (OP)
How does a random nobody know how many missiles Iran has?

>>63871067
They talk like that because they are all suffering terminal main character syndrome

>>63871171
>What do you think Israel used to strike Iran?
Glide bombs

>>63870736
>Look at all these countries willing to March in a parade with us and beg us for technology except for Chiyna who... begs for plane engines...
>That's all an ally is to a Russian
KEK.

>>63871013
>but they understand not to lie about things
nah they just say whatever they thinks helps them the most at the current moment. Soon they will be talking about how Iran hurt them so bad and we need to help them before they're destroyed. But not yet. Right now they're pretending everything's fine while arresting people who post pics of the damage, and still trying to shill the iron dome as invincible. Hence the videos of 50 missiles hitting the city followed by Israel reporting "No deaths reported; 90% interception rate; 2 people had panic attacks"

>>63870538 (OP)
Correct

>>63870538 (OP)
Does that figure include missiles which were destroyed and/or rendered inaccessible by collapsing tunnel entrances to the bunkers they're stored in, or only destroyed? Because the buried stocks can be recovered eventually

Please liberate the oppressed Persian women.

>>63871270
genius, "air superiority" comes about via missiles.

>>63870538 (OP)
Its almost as if effectively prosecuting a war requires a whole plethora of different disciplines and capabilities to preform and coordinate in order to achieve the desired results.

>>63870538 (OP)

>>63870630
is gps blocked over israel?

>>63870538 (OP)
>Crémieux

Actual drooling retard grifter

>>63870538 (OP)
why aren't they syncing their drone launches with the missile arrivals like they did last year?

>>63871851
who's they?

>>63871861
what is hamid and alireza up to right now?

>>63870638
>m

>>63871154
Iran will run out of missiles in two weeks. Digits confirm.