SHORT Act and Hearing Protection Act thread
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What's everyone planning to do when the SHORT Act passes deregulating SBR, SBS, and AOOWWIES, and suppressors become as easy to buy as a bolt action rifle?

>>63888578 (OP)

It has apparently undergone and passed the Byrd Bath test today to see if it stays in the Big Beautiful Bill, anyone see differently?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5365060-senate-parliamentarian-gop-bill-rejections/

if it has indeed passed the Byrd bath, you will soon be able to put one of these on your pistol with a suppressor.
getting super comfy in here

This premature ejaculation of a thread needs to go since the last one had over 100 more posts to bump limit.
Let this thread die. Sage it if you have to.
>>63888617
It just looks wrong with the 6 position stock. Put a 4 position on it please.

I’m sawing off a double barrel shotgun the picosecond this gets signed into law.

>>63888689
please don't cut down a nice one :(

>>63888617
what does that mean? For non-autsitic people.

>>63888689
Same, gonna run out an buy a Stoeger coach gun immediately. Cheap, decent, has the stock I want for the design I want.

fuck ya
mudda

>>63888823
hell, faggot.

>>63888805
The bill goes through a test and someone wipes out shit that doesn't pass the test, read that link

>>63888828
fuck ya
mudda

>>63888837
so short and suppres isn't in there. Its good I think.

>>63888805
It’s kind of complicated, but the short version is that the bill that SHORT and HPA are attached to is a budget bill. Budget bills only require a simple majority (51 yeses) to pass in the senate where regulatory bills require a three fifths majority (60 votes) which is much harder.

The Byrd rule, which is the rule in contention, says that you can’t just cram a random law into a budget bill, it has to be related to the budget. But the question at hand is, will the person responsible for determining if a section of a bill complied with Byrd consider the SHORT and HPA related enough to the budget? Those in favor cite the fact that the NFA has been repeatedly upheld as a budget law, not a regulatory law, therefore removing suppressors and SBRs is a budget item.
Those against point out that, technically speaking, the Byrd rule says that it doesn’t JUST have to be related in some way, shape, or form related to the budget, but that the effect on the budget is the primary reason why the law exists. And very very people can argue that it’s the $200 tax that the government cares about, rather than suppressors and SBRs being registered that’s the important bit.

Both sides have a point, so it’s a matter of wait and see which way it goes.

this bill is retarded, I wish they’d stop putting stupid shit in with the good stuff

>>63888886
>this close
Tbh I'm most upset about the public lands getting sold to black cock

FAQ
https://twitter.com/gunowners/status/1935402251201253671

>>63888886
You think you're getting anything good? lmao enjoy your shit

>>63888617
You are assuming a summary article is complete. Finance committee’s section is currently underway.

>>63888999
Congratulations, the American people have voted in a government by the Corporations, for the Corporations, of the Corporations and they got told in advance exactly what they would be getting. Enjoy whatever scraps they throw you.

>>63888886
Welcome to politics. Did you read the Homeland Protection Act or the afforable Care Act in entirety? Yeah, NO ONE DID.

>>63889537
Go enjoy your countries National Park system, oh, you can't. Go enjoy the gardens in the castles of your dead royalty, that the closest you have to National Parks. The gardens of your former oppressors.

>>63889455
Salty little whiner, aren't you?

>NIMBYs trying to tank support for cans and sbrs coming off the nfa
I hope you never afford a house and you're stuck renting forever to blackrock.

If you believe an act of government legislation is capable of restoring your "rights", you by extension believe an act of government legislation is capable of removing them. Thus, they aren't actually rights, because if you believed they were rights, you would have simply not complied from the beginning.

I do not support this legislation, and if you do you are authoritarian who doesn't actually believe that firearm ownership shall not be infringed.

>>63889628
>blah blah
>psych 101 logic
>nothing can get better
>a kill joy at parties
>>63889576
This. Buy land, not dope.
>inb4 dope helps me cope
Then that's all you'll ever have.

>>63889659
>you're wrong... because it hurts my feelings! Yeah! I have no argument.
I am unsurprised.

>>63888578 (OP)
I'm gonna go find out whether or not the Taurus Judge would still suck if it didn't have to fire with a 0.04-inch gap down a rifled barrel.

>>63889661
I have no feelings. Your projection is your protection. I have 40 acres. Checkmate.

i hope PSA makes a 570 MCS knock off. i'd buy one, or Mossberg

Definitely gonna build a masterkey for shits and giggles.

If all of that passes it really would be monumental.

So many really cool integrally suppressed guns would hit the market, integrally suppressed SBR VSS clones in .300 blackout would be really fucking cool.

Imagine a world where a man go into a palmetto state armory and buy for less than $1000, an AR-15 that is

1. An SBR with 10.5 inch barrel
2. Has a cheap 3d printed flow through suppressor
3. Has a Forced Reset trigger installed from the factory

This is a real possibly reality within the next year if this bill goes through. I am telling you guys it will never be better than now for gun rights, if dems get back into control expect restrictions, so buy cheap and stack em deep while you can, since they will have to grandfather in all these guns.

>>63888578 (OP)
That bill is loaded up with a whole pharmacy's worth of poison pills from both sides. Not a chance in hell it passes.

>>63890588
Some version of it will, we just have to hope and pray we get something good out of it.

>>63890549
>an AR-15 that is
>1. An SBR with 10.5 inch barrel
>2. Has a cheap 3d printed flow through suppressor
>3. Has a Forced Reset trigger installed from the factory
>if it's too good to be true, it probably is

>>63890549
>cheap
>3d printed
Pick one. The cheap ones will probably have basic stamped metal baffle stacks. I doubt metal 3D printing has reached the point where they could mass-produce things cheaply.

>>63890549
>plastic suppressors
enjoy your shrapnel

>>63890549
>>63890626
>Has a Forced Reset trigger installed from the factory
when the fuck are companies gonna start doing this anyways
FRTs and super safeties are becoming a massive thing right now, someone needs to make a gun with an FRT built into the trigger system so its as nice as it can be to shoot

>>63888999
>>63889537
That provision got shut down.
https://x.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1937339661611073624

>>63889795
Taurus would need to export a .410 Bore only version with the correct caliber and no rifling.
It should perform a lot better.

>>63890766
HOORAY!!!!

>>63890766
>Sen. Mike Lee
>spouse Sharon Lee
https://www.instagram.com/hello_im_sharon/?hl=en
The fuck?

>>63888578 (OP)
My glock 41 will get the stock and I'll be getting a .45 threaded barrel for it. I already own a 10mm barrel and mag kit, just need to buff the feed ramp.

I don't want to switch my grip angle so I won't put a foregrip on it. Notorious lower frame wobble makes me afraid I'm stressing the polymer frame. The stock kit is supposed to increase the lifespan of the gun for me. 10mm is the fastest cartridge that can come out of that gun, and .45 heavy boys are the slowest for suppression.
>tfw my dream pistol kit is -400 dollars to finish

>>63888605
this
but i'd just keep buying sbrs, except with less paperwork.

>>63889628
Are you some kind of fuggin moron?

The SHORT Act and the HPA remove SBRs and Silencers from an already existing piece of legislation that infringes on the 2A. They don't "restore" any rights they remove the infringements on them.

>>63890508
actually fuckin a man, that's what I want. I can put it next to my sbrs and go 'hell yeah'

I'm not keeping up with politics. Did they add in the whole public land sales into the BBB? Fucking retarded. We get deregulation for suppressors, but they sale 250 million+ acres of land so the rich can build the mansions and for 5 quintillion H1B jeets and niggers

>>63891452
>Did they add in the whole public land sales into the BBB?
Removed due to public backlash: o>>63890766

>>63891461
Also, you are a disgusting hateful racist.

>>63891391
>actually fuckin a man

>>63891487
fuckin a right

>>63890766
Ayyyy!

What happened did it pass? Or like, did they remove it or what.

>>63891665
They ejected one of the shitty parts of the BBB which nobody wanted (still some left though), and it passed the Byrd test, but I don't think it's gone to vote yet.

>>63888578 (OP)
>when the SHORT Act passes deregulating SBR, SBS, and AOOWWIES, and suppressors become as easy to buy as a bolt action rifle?
never gonna happen. freedom is a one way street with kikes and it only heads towards total subjugation.

>>63891672
Okay :)

>>63891681
real snot bubble ........ like in amine

>>63891681
Finally a quality effort post itt.

>>63891352
i havent read the short act but i did read the HPA and it does not remove infringements from silencers it just rewords and recategorizes the infringmentes from one section to another. now instead of paying taxes on your right to buy a silencer they only require you go through a background check and register it with a 4473 which totally doesnt get saved into FBI records along with all firearms transactions and purchases trustmebro. dont worry they will still know who to raid when the time comes to remove your privilege.

>>63891697
Um... you good bro?

>>63891697
Why do you choose to live in fear like a guilty criminal? What have you done to worry so? Should we worry for you or just call the redflag hotline?

>>63891669
>Passed byrd
Big news, that was my biggest concern. I fully expect it to go party line when it comes to a vote. Any financial hardliner who isn't willing to roll over one time in exchange for the biggest expansion in gun rights in 100yrs deserves to burn in hell. Hopefully they're concerned enough about their base that they toe the line.

>>63891665
It's bouncing around committee while they figure out what is and isn't covered under Byrd. They're hoping for a vote Thursday but then it has to go back to the house and have the amended version voted on, which if amended again needs to go back to the senate to go through the whole process again. Ideally once the senate finishes reviewing and amending the bill it should just be a simple vote in the house for passage to the executive desk but there's a sufficient number of hardcore fiscal conservatives they barely wrangled last time and they might vote against, abstain (which would allow for a dem majority on a party line vote), or demand other changes.
>>63890766
That's some good news.

>>63891719
>demand other changes
They might make it better!

>>63891461
I'm really happy. I went to NV for about 2 weeks to visit friends and it was so beautiful. I live on the East Coast and was just amazed at how free it is out there. We took a side by side from a little ways outside of Reno all the way to Virginia City through the mountains. Completely free. Was amazed to see a little spot that had shells and bullet casings, and there were also people there shooting on the drive back. The thought of selling public land is evil. The conservatives who backed this like "based" Mike Lee need to be tarred and feathered. Pic rel, quality might be shit since I had to compress it

>>63888578 (OP)
OU shotgun with a dropleg holster

>>63888689
Rip and tear confirmed

>>63891697
NFA classification includes way more infringements than background checks
>finger printing
>notifying the sheriff
>restrictions to out of state travel
>restrictions to inheritance and resale
I already filled out a 4473 in my lifetime, they know I'm armed

>>63891738
>was just amazed
I am a westie and would never go east. But, it is hot, like Africa hot, mine tailings, radon gas, water shortages, wildfires, illegals, drugs, homeless, all places have the last 3, at least. Still worth it.

>>63891771
finger printing is part of the 4473 background check. >>63891771
>I already filled out a 4473 in my lifetime, they know I'm armed
yeah thats not a refutation of the fact its swapping one infringement for another. the original claim was that it removed the infringments

>>63891789
The heat was somehow better than the East, imo. I live in the South and it is currently 100° and humid as fuck. The dry heat of NV is great. Also there were surprisingly few minorities (besides me, I'm japanese), and there was actually a wildfire a mountain or two over on that day lol. The smoke was pretty crazy, I think last Friday. I would love to move to NV in the future

>>63891809
>finger printing is part of the 4473 background check
Umm, not in my state. Never was, ever.

>>63891809
not in my state either. wtf is wrong with where you live anon?
>>63891719
>>63891706
When it passes, how long realistically until I can order a $200 rimfire can from PSA and have it show up at my LGS to put on my 10/22 takedown that I put a 10" barrel on with no tax stamps?

>>63892103
>PSA can
Their products are already suspect. I would not trust future PSA cans

>>63891672
Are you proud of being a defeatist doomer cuck like that?

>>63892103
Adjusting for the feeding frenzy, 12 months.
>ironic how Form 4s aren't required, but oos suppressors take just as long

>>63891681
Hippo Of Hope.

>>63891697
One step forward is still one step forward, it means that it's one more step that we don't have to take in the future.
Not having to pay a special tax and then wait months on special paperwork to be filed is a fantastic development, because what this also means is that, and let me catch my breath now...

YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING SILENCER AT HOME AND IT'S GONNA BE LEGAL, YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY A TAX, WAIT, OR SLOT INTO A REGISTRY.
WE CAN NOW HAVE SILENCERS WITH EASILY REPLACEABLE WIPES, WIPES YOU CAN CRAFT AT HOME EVEN, AND WE'LL BE GETTING FUCKING 80% SILENCER KITS.

Yeah, there's still some regulation left, but goddamn, don't you see how MUCH better that situation is compared to now? That's before even getting into the de-regulation of carbines/stocked pistols, shorty shotguns, and AOWs.

>>63892211
NTA but I doubt they'd be any worse than the Chinese kits people were form 1'ing a couple years back. Especially for 22LR cans.

>>63892240
>EASILY REPLACEABLE WIPES,
I always wanted to use garden hose rubber washers for suppressor internals.

>>63892212
>he doesnt even know that a single literal democrat appointed kike bitch is in charge of what stays or leaves the bill and the RINO kikes knew this and only put the HPA into the bill to virtue signal for your continued voting support while they keep backstabbing you and working in secret with the kike establishment

sad!

>>63892240
i already told you nothing is happening and it will be tossed why are you acting like a child with naivety of how the world and kikes operate? are you a zoomertard in their 20s or something?

>>63892290
You are either a weak and pathetic little bitch with zero spine and soul, or you're an enemy shill trying to demoralize. Either case means that you should wash your mouth with birdshot.

>>63892302
ok zoomer. just watch, by next week they will have stripped out all the gun shit from the bill. ive seen this a dozen times. you have no life experience. you have no concept of kike psychology. you have no respect for your elders. you will learn how the real world works either whether you like it or not.

>>63892302
>either
Why not both?

>ok zoomer. just watch, by next week they will have stripped out all the gun shit from the bill. ive seen this a dozen times. you have no life experience. you have no concept of kike psychology. you have no respect for your elders. you will learn how the real world works either whether you like it or not.

>>63889559
Yeah but what's with tipping though

>>63892290
Fuck off, demoralization nigger.

>>63891697
i thought that was the original provision but then they removed it all together

>>63890766
based dems

>>63891697
>if suppressors are regulated the same as guns, you totally couldn't legally make your own without having to do a background check or 4473

>>63892630
who are you quoting

>>63892384
>>63892302
one thing you little tards will learn with life experience is kikes are rarely original thinkers. almost everything they do is a rerun. us oldfags have seen this movie before a dozen times hence our blackpilled state of mind.

>>63892636
Are you stupid?

>>63892611
fuck off low iq nigger

>>63892624
no

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text

SEC. 112029. MODIFICATION OF TREATMENT OF SILENCERS.

(a) In General.--Section 5845(a) is amended by striking ``(7) any
silencer'' and all that follows through ``; and (8)'' and inserting
``and (7)''.
(b) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms
transferred a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $5 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
weapon classified as any other weapon under section 5845(e),
``(2) $0 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States
Code), and
``(3) $200 for any other firearm transferred.''.
(c) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $0 for each silencer (as defined in section 921 of
title 18, United States Code) made, and
``(2) $200 for any other firearm made.''.
(d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act.

>>63891697
Yeah but I can stick an oil filter on my AR without it being a felony or 3d print one at home

>>63892630
so then you are admitting they arent accessories due to being a gun and can be regulated by any kike rule the ATF comes up with when demoshits take power and install their kike golems to run all the agencies again

>>63892651
>us oldfags
kek

>>63892667
Nigger I was just going off of what you typed, stop trying to twist my words.

>>63892664
only until the next ATF kike comes along and says you cant because >>63892667

Blackpill shills sure are going hard in these threads.

>>63892675
>>63892675
im not twisting your words im going by exactly what the kikes typed in the actual bill which i quoted for you here to read for yourself since you clearly never bothered like 99.99% of zoomtards. heres a free lesson when you want to be acccurate as posssible with information always go to the source

>>63892682
>shills

im one guy retard and truthpilling is a redpill not a blackpill. its only a blackpill if you let it demoralize you. if you adjust your mindset and strategy to defeat kikery then it becomes a redpill

https://newrepublic.com/post/197167/republicans-remove-sale-public-lands-budget-bill

A small victory, perhaps

>>63892687
>it's only bad if you think it is
Thx, Socrates.

>>63892768
you have to know the truth of a problem if you ever intend to succeed in solving it. you can not solve a puzzle with missing pieces

>>63892799
>now channeling Einstein
You aren't as start as your ego tells you are and are actually pointless.

>>63892813
>you arent as start as your start start start

>>63892687
Mike Thernovich, pleathe leave.

>>63892829
Oh, you must think I give 2 shits about you. Sorry, not 1.

>>63892256
>pull garden hose out of spring/fall cleanup junk piles
>infinite wipes
As long as you can flatten them I fail to see any bad reasoning. Unless it's a plasticizer filled PVC jacket hose in which case I wouldn't want to get that shit hot. PVC makes some nasty ass fumes IIRC. Could get some 2 part silicone, pour a sheet, and stamp out some washers assuming HPA goes through. Like $45 plus a way to contain liquid in a flat sheet would get you 50-100+ easily.

>>63892348
You've seen nothing boomer.

>>63891809
Only in Oregon, unless other states do it now too.

>>63893001
He's talking about the washers that go inside the nozzle, which are incredibly cheap. Not punching washers out of the hose itself.

>>63889628
Yeah, the world isn't perfect you fucking retard. People like you are why nobody takes libertarians seriously. You're just like the commies you despise with your all or nothing attitude to change. Utopian dumbfuck.

>>63892256
Wipes are a solid rubber disc you shoot through. A washer with a 3/4" hole in the middle is beyond useless.

>>63889628
>>63891697
Pseud Hour.

>>63893172
Oh, I see. That would be a big-ass bore size, though. Useless as a wipe unless I'm missing something.

>>63893037

California does, but that's kinda expected.

This is probably a really dumb question, but I gotta ask it.

Say suppressors get removed from the NFA and end up only needing a 4473. Do you have to ship them to an FFL in your home state like pistols, or are they like long guns where you can transfer them through any FFL?
Also, my understanding is that the reason why wiped suppressors are uncommon is because the ATF considers suppressor parts to also be suppressors. Would that stay the same, or would you be able to easily stockpile and replace parts?

If this passes, will suppressors still be illegal in commiefornie and jew york?

Is it edible

>>63893605
I don't think anyone, including our illustrious ruling class, have thought about these specific details.

>>63893224
>>63893472
>useless
I see you think inside the box. This is a common limitation to innovation and success. But don't let me stop you.

>>63891729
I think there's going to be a fight over the funding disparity for the tax breaks the senate Republicans are adding. I highly doubt this gets done by the 4th.

>>63893849
It pisses me off to no end how the dems unify on every pos bill they want but republicans in fight and undermine themselves constantly.

Just like the Slav war and now Iran conflict. I’m afraid that Trump is gonna fail on his desire to get the BBB passed by July 4th.

>>63892211
As long as they are concentric, a 22lr can should at the very least be super straight forward and virtually impossible to screw up. So much so that I dont think we will see 22 rifles being sold without being integrally suppressed or at least coming with a suppressor in the future if this passes

>>63893619
Asking us this question is illegal in commiefornia and jew york

>>63891466
Thank you for noticing. I try my best to be the most racist I can be every day

>>63892677
ATF cannot create laws
All the shit they do is to try to change definitions to fit different things into the existing laws, and they keep getting btfo by the courts
If you remove sbs sbr and silencers it just gives the ATF less regulated categories to work with
What do they even have left? Machine guns and destructive devices?

>>63892757
That's a great victory
Selling public land is retarded, it's a one time payout that doesn't move the needle
lease it for grazing and forestry and it can keep adding to the budget indefinitely

>>63893619
Yes, get out of there, let the left eat itself

>>63894158
i could write up a post explaining further because you totally missed the point but why bother its gonna be a non issue in a few days when they strip it out of the bill so its a moot point

>>63893619
likely yes, but the best outcome means that people will take it to court since it's not longer as restricted federally, so it increases the scrutiny on laws banning suppressors and SBRs in those states.

>>63894320
>implying it will survive the Byrd Bath
not likely, it's flat out "yes", they're explicitly banned by law in NY and CA and changes in Federal regulation has no bearing whatsoever on State law, and existing precedent in both state's respective circuits is that States can ban literally everything so long as it's not traditional handguns in totality

>>63894118
Goals are important. Aim high!

>>63894333
>changes in Federal regulation has no bearing whatsoever on State law,
As it should be. The 10th Amendment is as important as the 1st!

>>63894356
State law shouldn’t supersede constitutional rights, thougheverbeit.

>>63894437
I feel like if states want assisted suicide, no abortions or arrest illegals, they have the right to enact the laws. People also have the right to leave Kansas, if they want an abortion.

>>63894545
None of those are constitutional rights.

>>63894586
Ok, and?

>>63894593
And a state can’t violate constitutional rights, retard. Why don’t you actually read the laws of our country for once?
>No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

>>63894333
It has survived the byrd bath, please see the first few posts in this thread

>>63893619
for now, yes. but it would help in the long run because people could potentially sue like how AWBs or mag limits are being litigated now
>>63894333
>and existing precedent in both state's respective circuits is that States can ban literally everything so long as it's not traditional handguns in totality
this isn't true or factual. Even a dem appointed judge in NJ has agreed that NJ can't ban ARs because they are in common use

>>63894356
guns are under the 14th amendment
>>63894545
none of those things are listed in the constitution. the right to keep and bears arms is and it was incorporated under the 14th in mcdonald

>>63894725
>Even a dem appointed judge in NJ has agreed that NJ can't ban ARs because they are in common use
So if we go by this logic, SBRs and cans are gonna be legal in all states by the end of the decade if, God willing, the bill passes. Everyone and their dog is gonna be buying silencers and cutting down their ARs to 14.5 inches.

>>63894593
10th amendment
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
14th amendment
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
the 2nd amendment applies to the states in the same way utah can't just ban being a jew.
abortion and assisted suicides aren't listed in the constitution so they aren't under the 14th amendment and are under the 10th amendment
arresting illegals isn't 10th amendment because congress explicitly has the power over naturalization laws

>>63888578 (OP)
>sell all your public land and we MAY let you buy a metal tube goy

>>63894748
What I think is currently going on with the dems and the courts is they find upholding name based bans on AR-15s untenable but are going to try to hold out as long as possible on the features shit and awbs in general. So, the NJ judge who tried to run out the clock and literally fucking retire in order to avoid giving a ruling gave the weird ruling of
>well you proved ARs are in common use so I am going to strike the part of the name based ban that says colt AR-15s but leave every other part of the ban because you didn't prove AKs are in common use
In the case where they told mexico to eat shit and die Kagan said AR-15s are the most common type of long arm and cited terry gross of NPR, lol, and last year in the bump stock case sotomayor conceded that
>He did so by affixing bump stocks to commonly available, semiautomatic rifles.
in the dissent.
So I think they didn't take that AWB case because the current plan is Roberts was either going to write the opinion himself or he was going to give it to like Kagan and they were going to give a narrow ass opinion that ARs can't be banned by name but mags and features are "accessories" and "accessories" don't get 2a protection.
Like even now cocksuckers on /news/ argue that suppressors are "accessories" even though by US law they are guns and by US law they have been guns since 1968. Under brandon the ATF argued suppressors are accessories and they have only changed that stance recently under trump so the fight isn't going to be
>are suppressors and barrels under 16 inches in common use
the fight is going to be
>are suppressors, mags, barrels and "aw" features arms or are they accessories
>and if they are accessories do they get 2A protection?
and the dems are just going to concede ARs are legal and 2A protected, just like they conceded on handguns more or less what they conceded on "sporting arms" like .22lrs, bolt action rifles and tube fed shotguns.

>>63894784
Pointless post.

>>63894751
Which isn't relevant.

>>63894784
Please see
>>63890766

>>63894811
I was explaining the difference between gay states trying to regulate guns vs based states regulating troons and baby murder. if you want my stance on what I think will happen with cans and SBRs in gay states see>>63894803
I don't think any states are going to try to pass or enforce any SBR laws in access of the 16/18 inch limits we currently have because I don't think they want to open up that line of judicial review unless it's part of an AWB or something.

Anons, I'm from /pfg/ and I have questions.
>>63892283
>>63894830

>>63894836
Probably a qd muzzle device and a thread to gq adapter that fits an air filter
>Do those exist
Don't know
>Will they exist if this passes
Definitely

>>63893001
Why the fuck would you do all that retarded bullshit when you can buy a sheet of the same exact material suppressor manufacturers use for wipes from McMaster-Carr for next to nothing?

>>63893786
I know about tire silencers but for a silencer attached to the barrel you might as well use washers and, like, pipe sections as spacers or some shit, unless the rubber does any more silencing due to its softness or whatever. Getting those rubber washers to stick to anything or to clamp them in place somehow may be a bitch.

>>63895064
I could ask the same thing. Why the fuck would anon use garden hose o-rings with a 3/4" bore size as baffles (?) when he could buy any kind or thickness of rubber sheets he could ever want from McMaster-Carr?

>>63894836
I'm guessing that bird cage adapters will be very popular since most ARs come with bird cages, so it would probably be a matter of getting a bird cage adapter threaded to the cheapest can that wont blow up from .223

>>63890766
very fucking good

>>63895698
I cannot find one that costs less than a grand, which seems crazy to me

>>63890766
Praise based baby jesus

>>63895806
nvm, found one for $220. Does anything cheaper exist?

>>63895806
>>63895976
Wait until suppressors get off the NFA, the pricing is currently the way it is due to volume and the fact that the current hurdles make suppressors something for enthusiasts and bored rich people.

>>63894258
A non issue, for you or like... Not sure what you're saying but SHORT and HPA are staying on the bill and it's gonna pass.

>>63888756
It’s gonna be a vintage Stevens or Remington from the 1930s

>>63888821
>run out an buy a Stoeger coach gun
I have one, probably less than 100 rounds through it and I have been having alot of issues with ejecting and bending casings.
I think it's a problem with the birdshot case-ends being too short but I have had to use a ramrod to clear it atleast 3 or 4 times.

>>63888689
I might suggest going on gunbroker and setting the price limit to under 200 bucks, when I last looked there was alot of them in there that were begging to be cut down into pistols because the furniture was giving up.

>>63891747
>single trigger
missing out man

>>63896622
>SHORT and HPA are staying on the bill and it's gonna pass.
This is the power of positive thinking!

>>63888821
If they'd put a sledgehammer on there for a stock... SO AI CRAFTS A FUCKING MATEBA WITH A GAS SYSTEM KEK

>>63888578 (OP)
I'm looking at getting a Ruger Charger (10/22) that has a picatinny mount on the rear for a brace, what are some good compatible braces? Bonus points for something I can order in Australia easily

>>63896743
why would you put a brace on it in austraila?
just put a real stock
why make it genuinely worse trying to comply with laws that dont apply to you?

>>63891391
you can also mount it under your SBR

>>63892103
eleventy... maybe eleventy five

I really hope that everything passes untouched, but imagining that something goes axed.
My personal assumption is that they'll axe sbrs/aow for "safety". But I really hope it's not "we just got rid of the $200 bribe, you still have to register everything".

>>63896777
checked

either or works, I figured braces would have the most availability since most things would be US imports

>>63888578 (OP)
>What's everyone planning to do
Folding stock on a threadered Ruger Charger and a zippy trigger deal.

>>63889628
Bold words to type while posting a picture of a rules-for-thee-not-for-me nepo-baby communist shill.

>>63896629

>>63897022
>But I really hope it's not "we just got rid of the $200 bribe, you still have to register everything".
the registry requirement is just to make sure you pay the tax. FDR and all the faggots who passed the NFA are pieces of shit, but the NFA was passed pre new deal and pre warren/civil rights act we are just going to straight up ignore the constitution and do what we want because we said so and write laws from the bench shit.
So at the time the legal theory of the fags who wrote the NFA was that
>we can't regulate guns
>we have the power to tax
>we have the power to regulate interstate comerce
>ergo we can put a massive sin tax and an onerous registration requirement to ensure you paid the tax and any gun control that comes from it is incidental because we are really just using our tax and commerce clause powers

>>63890766
>That provision got shut down.
checked and thank God.

>>63897243
wow, what a fag

>>63890549
Dems can try to pass a mandatory buyback. Grandfathering was done back in the day when men had balls and the politicians were kinda scared.

>>63890740
3d printed titanium and other materials are a thing

>>63897715
compliance rates on registration are like sub 20% and sub 10% in ny and illinois. zero people in NJ surrendered bumpstocks or mags above 10 rounds

>>63897243
That's not Ian in the pic you responded to, you utter fucking retard

>>63892829
You were duped.

>>63897243
>acquire gun to make a video on it
>offload gun once video has been shot
This is how guntubers function. Your image amounts to whining about a firearms expert having information advantage over random plebs, which can be used to buy low and sell higher. This is how markets work.

>>63897767
>Being a kike is actually a good thing or however the shekels are made

>>63897839
>People can't make money
But they can, and they do. Do you know how jobs work? Ask your parents.

>>63897767
>>63897851
ian...

>>63897243
>profiteering is communism
>starting your own website and channel with no backing makes you a nepo baby
I don't know about the whole rules for thee thing is about, but you're pretty retarded about those other two points.

>>63897888
I dunno about nepo baby, but Ian isn’t some random dude. His father was a pretty well regarded expert on Japanese small arms, until he went hippy or something.

>>63897897
Or at least that’s my understanding.

>>63897897
>>63897900
His dad was a collector and wrote some books on Japanese guns, and appeared briefly on an episode or two of that History Channel show about guns, which isn't like the biggest fucking connections or clout in the world or anything.
I imagine his dad had maaaybe some connections with collectors in their area (Arizona), but I don't think those would have gone all that far if he wasn't personally chumming it up with those people, and doing a bunch of networking.

Nepotism would imply that he was handed his gig on a silver platter, but at best he just had some favorable local connections to start with, he worked his way up.
His oldest videos were done on a shit camera with a shit mic, and after a year or two he crowdfunded a new one, he wasn't just handed a better setup by some associate, he had to build an audience and earn goodwill from them to be willing to support him in that.

>>63897857
Not an argument. The basic argument is to say that he has a perverse incentive, in a small market, to color his video documenting gun x when he must also sell off the gun to recoup production costs. This argument is about editorial independence if you aren't a retard, not "profiteering" or whatever.

But he faces larger challenges to independence under any patronage scheme that puts a gun in front of him without having to worry about paying for it. Auction houses have most of the circulating hardware. Limiting yourself either by decision not to engage for-profit entities with a structural bias toward "gun gud" or by decision not to purchase guns for videos, while lacking a resident position at a very large preservation institution, is tantamount to not having the project exist at all.

This complaint constitutes an arbitrary and unreasonable demand for rigor where satisfying the demand is economically and logistically impossible for anyone but an independently wealthy hobbyist. It's ridiculous childbrained nonsense.

>>63890756
Not for a hot minute with Rare Breed suing Hoffman and 6 other super safety/FRT manufacturers.

Rare breed is the only one who could ATM partner up with a manufacturer but they're just getting production restarted.
Manufacturers won't partner up until this legal shit is in the rear view mirror.

Hoping to god Rare Breed loses against hoffman

>>63898824
and what do we do if rare breed wins?
fuck i can't bear the thought that those faggots might keep a monopoly on it forcing everybody to either find a place that will machine super safeties for them or wait all the time because they're constantly out of stock
and would it mean ALL frts would infringe on their patents? as in ones for AKs, mp5s, etc.

>>63897888
>>63897897
>>63897923
his dad was a super important history channel guy and got Ian his big break on that show where that child rapist made unregistered machine guns

Yes, we’re still waiting.

The Senate Parliamentarian hasn’t weighed in yet—but the second we hear something, you will too.

>>63897243
Insanely based and capitalism-pilled. Gun Jesus is such a chad.

>>63898894
> that show where that child rapist made unregistered machine guns
Lmao, what? Also, following in your dad’s footsteps is based, and you guys are just jealous faggots

>>63897730
So you lock them up forever as if you never had them and you can’t use them or carry them on you. That’s effectively a ban. What’s the use of a closeted museum of firearms you aren’t allowed to take out?

>>63899132
Go shooting in Pennsylvania or New Hampshire

>>63899099
>Insanely based
Actually, it was P.T. Barnum who said
>there is a sucker born every minute
Taking advantage of rubes goes way back and is nothing new, even if it is new to you. It is just another form of manipulation and decuption and is generally considered unethical. You should know that, but you seem like a rube in your hero worship of an antisocial sociopath.

>>63899148
> is generally considered unethical
Lmao. Welcome to reality, faggot. The dude has better advertising than you and watches gunbroker more closely than you do. Cope and seethe about the $1500 he made. You’re just a jealous faggot

>>63899113
Seems like they memory holed it, on account of it being about a child rapist
>>63899132
people can still take them to the range. no one gets charged with violating AWBs unless they beat their wives or are doing gang shit. the only time I've ever heard of someone catching AWB charges not related to a DV call was some guy was doing donuts, slammed into a cop car and his trunk opened revealing his cool guns.
plus most of the counties in the state don't actively attempt to enforce any awbs unless it's in conjunction with another felony offense

>>63888852
The Republicans still have the votes to overrule the parliamentarian if she decides they don't pass the Byrd rule

>>63899153
You talk like you're upset that people dont like scammers.

>>63899148
Also, I don’t worship Ian, but like holy fuck, who gives a fuck? If someone really thinks that buying an extremely well advertised gun from a YouTuber is going to be a good investment, then they are a complete moron. On the other hand, if someone finds out about a low serial number Mauser that they like because gun Jesus did a video on it, cool. Good for them.

>>63899158
That’s not a scam though. Did he misrepresent the gun? There are boomers who specifically collect low serial number guns.

>>63899156
Yes, they CAN. But they won’t. It’s been something like fifty years since the parliamentarian has been overruled. And they’re not going to change that for NFA stuff.

Lmao a janny banned me and then retroactively deleted pretty much every post I’ve made in the last week. Even when 99% are on topic and contributing to the OP thread. What a fucking psycho.

>>63899159
They don't engage actual arguments, anon. It's the same losers doing this in every eceleb thread. The bitterness and delusional belief that they're trolling are the point, for them.

>Ian
First names are for friends, close colleagues, and relatives. Clinton II, not Hilary. McCollum. etc. Makes life very simple. No confusions about giving a shit.

>>63888999
Checked, but it is within my interests that they sell land to build homes to dilute the housing market. We’re overpopulated and need homes

>>63891452
Do you fucking read or just consume and form whatever opinion Jnstagram tells you? They were making only 3 million acres total of BLM AND Forestry Department land available (out of 440 million total square acres)

>>63899321
>only 3 million acres
>only
i get the point you're trying to make, but man, thats still fucking awful

>>63899276
Cry about it. You know who I was talking about. It's shorter.

>>63899259
did you insult xis home country of bongland or leafland?

>>63899393
It was just an epistemic recommendation. I'm not sitting here pulling my hair out. Start talking impersonally about people you don't know personally, and watch the toxoparasocialism-brainwormed loons melt away. It's really that simple.

Nobody gets into slapfights at the mention of Ferguson, Moss, Onokoy, Popenker, or any of those other guys. Because you know you're talking to a mental adult when they're mentioned. But you never know right away with a "hop" or "ian" or "mike" or "james" type of tard. Odds are good that you might be dealing with a bumblefuck who can't separate their headcanon from reality. On here, often the same bumblefuck you've seen argue eceleb shit 100 times before.

>>63899148
Note that he completely ignored the inescapable point that 1) the moral hazard is greater when presenting an auction house's guns and 2) the only "solution" to this hazard is to be embedded with an institution that already has a preexisting endowment of cool weapons and funding to support displaying them (obtained from who knows where).

Antiquities revolves around regulating access to scarce goods. Obviously there are many inherent ethical risks associated with that. You have to actively choose not to be sleazy, for your own reasons. I have seen weapons (and other goods) deliberately mischaracterized by auction houses despite prior expert consulting to get ironclad provenance. Brokers & sellers aren't your friends.

>>63899259
Back-purging of your posts is automatic if you're banned for certain things. Nobody went and looked for them.

>>63899321
There was land mandated for sale (your number: ~2-3M acres) and land made eligible for sale (255M acres). wilderness.org gave maps and tables by state. Picrel.

>>63897715
Huh, but boomers complied more back in the day and everything was worse off?

>>63890756
Absolutely no company wants to be the one that pays a license to RareBreed and make $50 selling the totally-not-full-auto to the mass shooter

>>63898894
This isn't really true, his dad had a minor TV spot, and he was never on Sons Of Guns.

>>63896622
>>63896622
>but SHORT and HPA are staying on the bill and it's gonna pass.
lol. lmao even

>>63901652
Ya called it
https://x.com/TaylorDRhodes2A/status/1938453749791412400

>>63901733
God fucking damn it

>>63901733
it is called a TAX STAMP how is it not related to taxes

>>63901733

>>63901756
Because you’re a slave and pay pedophiles to run the plantation and whip you
You get exactly as many rights as they think is necessary. Why on earth did you ever imagine something good would happen or you’d get rights back?
In 2026 the R’s will get blown out of the water, and in 2028 we’ll get a full national AWB shoved down our throats.
>>63901733
Senate designated cum hole determined that only the gay retarded pork barrel gets to pass. Jej

>>63901779
You’re a pessimist faggot. You have no joy in your life and it will always be this way for you.

The funniest part is the demosharts are just going to remove the filibuster in 4 years so all this holding to principles bullshit doesn't even matter.

>>63901779
N O T H I N G

>>63901843
ok, let me know when the rich pedophile faggots do anything worthy of our praise or appreciation

you and I will be long dead before anyone in congress does anything other than send Israel money and embezzle tax dollars

>>63888578 (OP)
It just got removed from the bill I fucking told u

>>63901733
Not over yet.

>>63901756
Because the standard isn’t “is it related to the budget.
It’s “would this change have a bigger effect on something that’s not the budget”

>>63901733
Do you guys think Vance will actually override it? He'd have the single-issue 2A voter on complete lock in 2028 if he does.

>>63902031
No. He’s more likely to override the land selling part, which is also not going to happen

>>63902031
I feel like he won't. The GOP knows that they can waffle on guns for as long as they want because most gun owners are gonna vote right wing anyways. What are you gonna do, vote blue instead?

>>63902041
I don't know about that, the Dems are in complete fucking shambles now, they are doing SO fucking badly and are hated by their voters.
The Reps could gain a lot by appealing to 2A Republican and undecideds, and further make the Dems look like absolute fuckups and failures to their voterbase.

>>63902041
Yes

>>63902048
You got that backwards bro. Reps don’t have to even try as dems are seen keeping infighting.

https://twitter.com/lauraeweiss16/status/1938452683184013379

>>63902041
No, we just don't vote and then Dems ruin everything with Republicans getting no power, so they also lose.

>>63901968
Lmao it never started you retard cuck

>>63902031
The GOP can override her with a vote, it just opens them up to filibuster from the dems.

Republicans are seething rn over her denial of the Medicare changes - principle of which was methods of finding and denying illegals from getting aid as well as new fraud detection mechanisms as they saw the basis of that bull as budget reconciliation agreeable. If she's going after the tax provisions (ie NFA ie budget) than she's going beyond the scope of Byrd and someone is going to check her ass.
It'll be Vance or the GOP will risk the filibuster

She was 100% justified in the stopping the land sale schema tho and the AI bs

>>63901583
I saw his dad on multiple episodes of tales of the gun and various WWII docs
Ian was on the last episode of sons of guns, he had them fix his nazi gun
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/29fdw6/forgotten_weapons_ask_me_anything_47pm/cikep5p/

>>63901756
because guns scary
>>63901779
t. no gunz democrat eunnch who was hired to reach out to young men

>>63901779
>>63901848
the next map the dems could conceivably hold 50 senate seats in is 2030

>>63902031
nah, he would rather import indians
>>63902041
>>63902049
the commies actively want to ban all guns and kill all white people

>>63902031
>He'd have the single-issue 2A voter on complete lock in 2028 if he does.
All 6 of us left.

>>63902278
And then they use that as a talking point to raise donations, and either do nothing when in power, or beg for more when they're not. Get your head out of your ass. Politics never changes.

It's over.

>>63902712
They could fix Medicare and Medicaid right fucking now if they said "the government gets to negotiate, no more gouging the taxpayers" but they won't because that would piss off their constituents (the wealthy elite) and reduce their own portfolios.

>>63902795
>salty, bitter burnout
Find Jesus.

>>63902712
She allowed the AI bill. It’s grounds for firing since it doesn’t mention a tax but the NFA is a tax.

Someone white pill me right now. I’m absolutely fucking seething right now

>>63902862
>>63902862
dont worry, they're still selling off land

>>63902866
Hardly. They're only selling off like a million acres of shit land that you can't even build houses on. They're going to put up a couple section 8 apartments in the desert and call it a day

>>63902862
Oh, and the skybis falling. We are doomed.

>>63902904
>They're going to put up a couple section 8 apartments in the desert and call it a day
Retard compound, w/manditory sterizations in the lease agreement. I wonder what the demographics will be?

>>63902904
Maybe as an excuse. It's going to become part of a billionaire's ranch.

>>63902904
>only
i dont think you understand just how much that is
the biggest problem is that they're selling it to silicon valley, people who hoard land in order to create an artificial scarcity like bill gates

>>63902862
Better luck next time, goy. Remember to vote harder next time.

Were blackpillers right all along? I hate the republican form of governance

>>63892103
The bill is written to go into effect 90 days after its signed. Right now there’s a legislative goal of getting this bill on the presidents desk by July 4 but it’s unclear if it will make the deadline. If it doesn’t get axed in negotiation it’ll be by November ish.
There’s some interesting wording regarding DDs that I’m not sure won’t have an impact on things like the .959 JDJ or other extremely niche very big bore rifles, but we’ll see how that shakes out interpretatively.

>>63901733
>Fell for it again and got Lucy'd like always
Lol, classic.

>>63902712
she can go fuck herself. if they had any balls(they don't) they'd pass the bill and tell these people to get fucked just like democrats do every time they're in power.

>>63902960
it took a mass shooting last time. this time it's some bitter old roastie being a massive shitcunt

Call your Senators today and tell them to fire her.
https://twitter.com/erichmpratt/status/1938540071424049549

>Have parliamentarians been fired?
Majority leaders from both parties have fired the parliamentarian. For more than three decades, the position alternated between Robert Dove and Alan Frumin depending upon which party was in the majority. MacDonough succeeded Frumin.

>>63902904
Man, fucking Oprah and Zuckerberg were able to literally buy UNESCO world heritage sites, block them off from the public, and build fortresses on them. Do you think that "uhhh you can't build a house there!" is going to stop that?

>>63902938
It's less than 0.75% of all BLM land

>>63903187
So? It belongs to Americans, not for any private entity to place a trillion h1b pajeets into

M1 carbine obrez

>>63903222
Americans also need affordable housing.

>>63903222
They said the same things on the East Coast. Oh no not the heckin trees dude like maaaaaaan you cant clear out that plot and build apartments or houses I walk muh dog there. Then all their kids are stuck at home in their 20s because theres no new developments and rent is 60-80% a single young person's income.

>>63903271
We don't have a land problem in the states, houses are unaffordable because most houses are in the hands of like 2 or 3 real estate companies with something like a 80-90% share of the market. Couple that with the hoops you gotta jump through to build your own house and they can charge whatever they want for houses.

>>63903365
this
companies just buy up that shit all the fucking time
i'm planning to become a landlord eventually and i'm telling those companies to go fuck themselves and keep rent relatively low

>>63903365
Building codes exist for a reason and it's not to make it difficult for individuals to build houses, it's make it so bottom of barrel tract builders actually have to make shit that won't collapse on the occupants or burn down in three years. Every piece of code is inked in either blood or shit and for the same reason.

>>63903287
I live in a place that had a pop boom during covid so they built a bunch of housing and now the pop boom is over
everything they built was +600k homes on 1/4acre lots and luxury apartments because those are the best profit margins
the homes sit empty until boomers buy them to rent out, the apartments had to drop their rents so that now there are people paying 1.7k a month because they got in on the boom stuck next to poor nogs and beaners cramming 4 adults in a 2br and splitting 1.2k rents

I want to rent a home next because the nigger below me wont stop playing music on his subwoofer late into the night but its like >>63903365
says and 1 company manages 95% of the rental houses and they fucking suck

>>63903384
I'm not saying building codes are a bad thing, but the unfortunate side effect is it does make it difficult for the average person to pay for all the requirements to build the home. Compared large entities who can pool their money together; but they also choose not to build more homes because that would devalue all the other homes.

Why are Californian NIMBYs (redundant) seething in an NFA thread?

>>63903386
You're so close to getting it, the zoning laws make it so only big corporations can build and because of that they ramp up prices since theres zero competition.

>>63903365
If only we could build our own homes using smaller companies... oh look at all the red tape nimbys up up!

We are working with allies in Congress to fight this ruling.

Here is how you can help:⤵

Call @LeaderJohnThune & tell him it is time to fire the PARTY-mentarian.

(202) 224-2321

We will continue to keep members updated as we learn more.

Kek, cucked

TACTICAL “FELL FOR IT AGAIN”, INCOMING!

>>63902827
Literally the only thing that keeps me from kms.
It's not like you fags are doing anything other than gunsooming and posting Instagram selfies with your collections anyways.

>>63902862
>>63902947
You'll get nothing and you'll be happy. Now here's infinity browns to keep housing prices inflated.

>noooooo can't let the heckin politicianbois take muh gunerinos
>which I only have for the express purpose of preventing politicians from taking them
>which I'll never do and anytime someone suggests it I call them a fed and snitch on them to aforementioned politicians
So tiresome. Like the yapping of chihuahuas

>>63903548
Keep on VOOTING! Do the same thing expecting different results! Something is going to happen eventually!

>>63902591
Fuck you we'll never stop trying.

>>63903271
You brownoids are not American
Build your public housing back in whatever central american shithole your parents waddled over from

>>63903658
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>>63903556
you're a single man here

CALL and make it happen, it worked once I'll work again.

>>63903791
Lol.
Lmao.

>>63903807
I mean, he's not wrong. It costs you next to nothing in time and money and shifts the needle at least a little bit. You could waste 5 minutes of your life for a .1% chance of something happening or do nothing and have 0% chance of anything happening.

>>63904010
Hes upset that people arent giving up

>>63903707
Enjoy selling your house to Blackrock so you can go rent a retirement condo for 4k a month from Blackrock boomer

I mean 20 years ago HPA and SHORT wouldn't even have made it out of commitee, but that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of repubs who don't give a shit about 2A and would be fine using the parliamentarian excuse ie Thune.
The fat lady hasn't sung yet but it's probably going to take Vance's intervention (primarily for the Medicare priority) to get this cookie.

Or maybe the naysayers are right and voting doesn't fucking matter

Can't they just rewrite it and try again.

>>63904095
That's the last ditch option, yes. If this can't be reconciled and they don't decide to completely drop it, they can just rewrite SHORT and the HPA and go for a second round.

>>63904095
They can at the very least make the NFA a free to file registry. Eliminating the 200 dollar entry fee is my primary concern since if that's gone then all that's stopping you from getting a 100 dollar PSA can is some schizo on the internet yelling about the feds.

>>63904122
My cope headcanon is that a $0 tax would open the registry to Supreme Court scrutiny because it's just a straight up registry without the pretense of a tax at that point.

>>63903807
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>>63903648
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>>63902591
You are spiritually and emotionally castrated.

>>63904019
They took that off the bill though.

>>63904193
They broke up Blackrock and deregulated the housing market/zoning permits massively at a federal level?

>>63904208
Huh?

>>63904179
Says the anon who can't let go of his identity that's tied to politicians that hate him, ironic

>>63904303
What?

>>63904138
That made my cock hard

NEW THREAD

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>>63904179
Cope harder Shartinez. The fact that you're willing to pack it in when (((congress))) tells you you're no longer allowed to play with your expensive toys is proof you mutts were never going to do anything anyway. Might as well hand them over now.
>muh cold dead hands
Nobody's buying it. A few of you will get Ruby Ridged and that will be the end.

>>63904303
He's still disinfoing his psychotic chicken little bullshit.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>63905890
You're suffering