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Anonymous No.63899983 [Report] >>63900008 >>63900031 >>63900036 >>63900040 >>63900054 >>63900109 >>63900352 >>63900368 >>63901461 >>63901507 >>63901906 >>63905723 >>63905903 >>63906157 >>63906552
Siggers vindicated

https://soldiersystems.net/2025/06/02/usmc-affirms-confidence-in-modular-handgun-system/
Anonymous No.63900001 [Report] >>63900008 >>63900085
I don't have time to read all that stupid word shit. Someone give me a summary so my brain doesn't have to work
Anonymous No.63900008 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Fuck ya
mudda
>>63900001
All of that just to affirm that I fuck his muddah.
Anonymous No.63900012 [Report] >>63900017 >>63900040 >>63900077 >>63900142 >>63901461 >>63903601
Anti-siggers vindicated that the system runs on corruption
Anonymous No.63900017 [Report]
>>63900012
Learn English, retard.
Anonymous No.63900031 [Report] >>63900078
>>63899983 (OP)
Marines are retarded, sometimes.

Source: Am Marine
Anonymous No.63900036 [Report] >>63900091
>>63899983 (OP)
>USMC affirms its sunk cost fallacy and buyers remorse

yeah
Anonymous No.63900040 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Oh, wow! I'm going to go and purchase P320 this week. Probably the SIG reserve Collection Legion MAX FLUX 2.0

>>63900012
Chosen the world over. The article even says
>the Army and Marine Corps have asserted their position that MHS is safe.

And that's written by THE Eric Graves
Anonymous No.63900054 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
They can affirm their beliefs about it. Won't change my mind that it's a piece of Indian machined shit.
Anonymous No.63900077 [Report] >>63900091
>>63900012
>its ok when beretta does it
Anonymous No.63900078 [Report] >>63900090 >>63900340
>>63900031
It wasn't a Marine, it was a Japanese security guard that works the gates on Oki. You would know this if you were a Marine.

Those guys are extremely well trained, mostly Ex-JSDF or japanese police. Not a user error
Anonymous No.63900085 [Report] >>63900090 >>63901529
>>63900001
>marine has UD while on guard duty
>usual story, "went off in the holster, etc."
>usmc orders engineering review
>says nothing is wrong
Anonymous No.63900090 [Report]
>>63900085
Correction, >>63900078 is right. Nip security guard, not a marine.
Anonymous No.63900091 [Report]
>>63900036
This. They already got rid of their M9s and they can't get them back. They don't have any money for a new handgun system. The last time they tried that all the M45A1s were shredded within three years.
>>63900077
Beretta lied about the cost of magazines to get the contract, and a few years later the mags they made to the pricepoint they quoted failed spectacularly. The cost of the P226 was actually less than the 92fs but Beretta outbid them solely on the cost of magazines and parts. Once the new mags got rolled out it ended up costing more than the P226.
Anonymous No.63900109 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Now that public affairs says they're safe we can finally rest easy.
Anonymous No.63900142 [Report] >>63901461
>>63900012
/thread
Anonymous No.63900149 [Report] >>63900168 >>63900176 >>63900193 >>63900207 >>63901461 >>63901534 >>63901863 >>63908219
Can someone give a qrd on the P320?
I remember when years ago Dugan put it through some stress test and it performed very well.
Now I keep hearing it's a real shit gun.
What is it?
Anonymous No.63900168 [Report] >>63900175 >>63900192 >>63900198 >>63900214 >>63901464
>>63900149
https://youtu.be/mtzPvJiuCL8?si=uRS6fXoho2_S6r1u
Here's a good place to start
Anonymous No.63900175 [Report]
>>63900168
>open link
>see COOKED first thing
Yeah, that's a pass for me. Can I get that in non-retarded?
Anonymous No.63900176 [Report]
>>63900149
Both. Depends who you ask.

But basically, there's been a bunch of UD's with P320, the M17/M18 failed the initial military sidearm drop tests, and Sig offered up a pretty lackluster response to the issue. Hard to say which of these issues are due to actual design flaws, poor weapons handling, or just frivolous lawsuits from people trying to make a buck. Truth probably lies somewhere in between.
Anonymous No.63900192 [Report] >>63901464
>>63900168
Holy shit are you STILL spamming this in every Sig thread like it means anything?
Anonymous No.63900193 [Report] >>63901464
>>63900149
The issue is more or less shitty QC and stacking tolerances because of that shitty QC making what should be a overalls decent if retardedly designed weapon have issues with the seat slipping
Anonymous No.63900198 [Report]
>>63900168
I like how your idea of a quick rundown is a 47 min YouTube video.
Anonymous No.63900207 [Report] >>63900226 >>63900654 >>63901464 >>63905903
>>63900149
Kinda a basic over view
>Sig makes p320
>People claim design isn't safe and can go off
>Sig denies this
>It is in fact proven that the design isn't even slightly drop safe
>Sig issues a "voluntary upgrade program" to fix them to avoid issuing a recall
>Occasionally sigs still go off but it's rare enough people aren't sure if it's just idiots being idiots
>Sig denies this
>Sigs been making tons of rolling small parts design changes over the years and mixing/matching on the production line based on what they have laying around
>Evidence builds over the years that there may be more going on here, several law suites have been filed
>More recently people start releasing videos showing that certain combinations of sig p320 parts are wholly unsafe and capable of going off at the drop of a pin
They're fairly reliable guns, 99.x% of them are likely safe as any other similar design firearm, that's a massive and completely unacceptable fuckup from Sig and they've been running away from responsibility instead of fixing the problem.
Anonymous No.63900214 [Report]
>>63900168
>here's a long ass link with a bunch of google tracking bullshit at the end for you to click so you can watch some retard drama shill talk about nothing for like an hour
i cannot even begin to convey how much I hate you. there are guys out there like three p320s in a trenchcoat putting in actual work to expose sig and literally showing people how to recreate the issue and this is the shit you link?
Anonymous No.63900226 [Report]
>>63900207
As someone who has no financial or emotional investment in this fight, this is pretty much the best breakdown out there given the info that we have.
Anonymous No.63900243 [Report]
>US military basically backs Sig into a corner and demands they unfuck the gun they were conned into using
>Sig complies but doesn't fix it fully for civilian goyim
Nothing has changed.
Anonymous No.63900297 [Report]
pistols are fashion accessories for 99% of the troops. the spec ops guys get glocks
Anonymous No.63900340 [Report]
>>63900078
If you think those gate guard Japs are "extremely well trained" you're insane. Gate guard duty is absolute bullshit for both sides. No one wants to do it, most of the time its just some fuckin guy assigned to the post for that day. Shit I know for a fact on foster half the gate guards for the Marines are MP's and the other half are just unlucky fucks picked by headquarters
Anonymous No.63900352 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
https://youtu.be/7H4Ri409-5I?t=13m3s

No tools, no modified parts, repeatable and demonstratable. A factory or gunsmith fuck up combined with improper reassembly can lead to a dangerous situation. A small shake is all it takes. Small chance that both of these things would happen but I think it's the most plausible explanation out there.
Anonymous No.63900368 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Obviously the M17/M18 is safe because the US military would never tell lies to cover up a massive boondoggle.
Anonymous No.63900654 [Report] >>63900742 >>63908230
>>63900207
Was the design bad though? Or was it poor qc?
Anonymous No.63900742 [Report] >>63906880
>>63900654
I wouldn't consider myself knowledgeable enough to answer that definitively wrt the p320. Their choice of firing pin block(striker block if you want to nit pick) is a bit weird, that seems to be the critical piece of the puzzle. If you look at pictures of the thing you can see what I'm talking about. It's a skinny curved piece of metal that pivots upwards, the top of this piece of metal is bent and runs crosswise to a section of FP it interacts with to block its movement. This is as opposed to the typical plunger style you see in Glocks, M&Ps, etc etc. I can guess that why they may have done this was to try to get the trigger pull as light as possible, less surface area and more of an angled surface and all that. I'd consider it maybe less than an ideal choice but really shouldn't have been a problem even if the engagement area is less than ideal. Except the design is fully precocked. And sig designed it to be stamped but made it stamped, then MIM, then stamped again and slightly changed the design each time. Oh yea and they did similar stuff and changed dimensions/materials/processes slightly on tons of other parts. Oh, and sometimes the critically important spring keeping the firing pin block under tension comes either shit from the factory or doesn't play well with a particular grab bag of parts. This isn't even to get in to another related topic of how exactly they seem to be having sears slipping too or other parts of the FCU having enough slop that with the right combo of parts the FPB can get depressed even if it's fine on its own.

To add on to this further, you notice just how many of these ADs involve LE? Armorers by necessity are mixing and matching parts across guns that may or may not be backwards compatible with any individual firearm. Similar stories of mix & match guns straight from Sig have been confirmed as well.

Overall I think it's 75% sigs outright negligence and 25% the gun not being as redundantly safe as it could be.
Anonymous No.63901461 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
>>63900012
>>63900142
>>63900149

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Anonymous No.63901464 [Report] >>63901470 >>63901552 >>63906170
>>63900168
>>63900193
>>63900207
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>>63900192
Yes. The anti-SIG schizo is the worst spammer in /k/ and has been banned countless times.
Anonymous No.63901470 [Report]
>>63901464
>The anti-SIG schizo is the worst spammer in /k/ and has been banned countless times.

True. But is it stays in its containment thread who cares.
Never give petulant children attention.
Anonymous No.63901507 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Siggers BTFO

>I asked for a statement from PdM SW but they informed me that, as the incident had occurred in the Marine Corps, I should pursue further inquiries with Marine Corps Installation Command Pacific. I sent them an email inquiry and finally heard back after this story was published. They offered a simple statement, standing by the report.
https://soldiersystems.net/2025/06/02/usmc-affirms-confidence-in-modular-handgun-system/
Anonymous No.63901529 [Report]
>>63900085
This is a misrepresentation. The article never mentions if there was an investigation into the P320 holster discharge incident in Okinawa. They just said that they tested the gun before and after adopting it. And that boilerplate came from the PUBLIC AFFAIRS office, aka shills.

The Marine Corps Installation Command Pacific (the guys on the ground), stood by their original incident report.
Anonymous No.63901534 [Report] >>63901959
>>63900149
Anonymous No.63901552 [Report] >>63901834
>>63901464
I like how you accuse everyone of being the same person, no wonder you think every hater out there is me. That just tells me I'm not alone.

>t. The REAL sig schizo
Vindicated, OP says.
Anonymous No.63901834 [Report] >>63903080
>>63901552
>Vindicated, OP says.
>siggers vindicated
You’re contradicting yourself, retard.
Anonymous No.63901863 [Report]
>>63900149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iWVs2uD1XY

TL;DW, a series of issues has ensured that P320s continue to accrue a reputation as dangerous and unreliable, even as SIG tries to both fix the issues and sweep the whole thing under the rug.
Anonymous No.63901906 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
>Release date 2023
This was made before the happenings.
Anonymous No.63901950 [Report] >>63902421
The P320's uncommanded discharges are among the least of the problems with nu-SIG and I remain content to place any siggers in the same category as geissele and radian consumers
Anonymous No.63901959 [Report] >>63901966 >>63903080
>>63901534
>mallcops shooting themselves in the foot: the compilation
Anonymous No.63901966 [Report]
>>63901959
You own a p320, don't you Squidward?
Anonymous No.63902421 [Report] >>63904912 >>63905700
>>63901950
What did Geissele do that's as bad as Sig scamming the US military for billions twice?
Anonymous No.63903080 [Report]
>>63901834
It's sarcasm retard. Take a look at the pic

>>63901959
Clearly not, their finger is out of the trigger. Not all P320s but always a P320.
Anonymous No.63903601 [Report] >>63906540
>>63900012
>it's okay when Beretta does it
>it's okay when Glock does it
>it's okay when FN does it
Anonymous No.63904912 [Report]
>>63902421
Making S&W tier rifles and selling them for Daniel Defense prices.
Anonymous No.63905700 [Report]
>>63902421
buying their way into agency contracts knowing that zoomer hypeapes buy on the basis of monkey-see, monkey-do so they can build the perceived value of their brand way, way beyond anything based on actual merit
Anonymous No.63905723 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Handguns don't matter to the military, what's important is that the MHS is not only cheaper than all alternatives, but also cheaper than buying nothing and continuing to maintain their old M9s. It's not drop safe? No problem, just carry it with an empty chamber like militaries have been doing since the invention of the handgun.
Anonymous No.63905903 [Report]
>>63900207
>>63899983 (OP)
In completely unrelated news, I just got an email from AimSurplus with the following header. They'd like you to know they have a huge stock of unissued LEO P320s, and a bunch of lightly-used ones at heavy discounts they acquired in a batch buy...
Anonymous No.63906157 [Report]
>>63899983 (OP)
Your gun is trash, belongs in smelty
Sigger nigger had a melty
When you buy a Sig you lose
MIM parts made by poos
Safety on, but still pew-pews
That happens when you're owned by jews

Memes aside that means literally nothing. I have better things to do than list all of the ass-retarded decisions and examples of corruption when it comes to the US military's arms procurement decisions but you get the picture.
Anonymous No.63906170 [Report]
>>63901464
OY VEY WHY DO THEY PERSECUTE ME SO?
Anonymous No.63906540 [Report] >>63906643 >>63908189
>>63903601
Yes, because you get good guns at least. If you would please refer to the graph
Anonymous No.63906552 [Report] >>63909932
>>63899983 (OP)
BREAKING USMC to adopt XM7
Anonymous No.63906643 [Report] >>63906794 >>63908162
>>63906540
I fixed it
Anonymous No.63906794 [Report] >>63908189
>>63906643
Will I ever get tired of this meme?
Anonymous No.63906880 [Report]
>>63900742
This anon is likely correct and i would also put in that its possible they had tolerance stacking issues and had a few hundred or so walk out the factory without anyone noticing. so while the gun *as designed* is safe (and what sig is probably banking on in their lawsuits) theres still a percentage that can go off if jostle-bumped in the wrong way and thats when someone wins the lottery of say 500 / like 2 million made so far.
Anonymous No.63908162 [Report]
>>63906643
Fuckin A man
Anonymous No.63908189 [Report]
>>63906540
truth there is, in this image
>>63906794
no, because in the drone wars people will carry one just to say that fucking meme, it will be like luger collector memes
Anonymous No.63908219 [Report]
>>63900149
It's the stacking tolerance thing AND the fact that it's a striker system where the firing spring is always tensioned. On a Glock or Glocklike SAO, the first part of the trigger pull is what fully tensions the spring. On an Sig, all the trigger pull does is release the block of the already tense spring. Essentially Sig tried to one up other SAO designs by having a lighter, crisper trigger. Except they have monkey tier QC which means the block slips and this ND. The bad QC wouldn't even cause the guns to fire if the design was more conventional but Sig just had to combine an inherently more finnicky design with worse QC
Anonymous No.63908230 [Report]
>>63900654
It was a design that required being absolutely on top of the QC ball. There are companies out there that almost certainly have worse QC than Sig but without the same problems because they create designs workable within their QC means.
Anonymous No.63909932 [Report]
>>63906552
Not at all. IARs on Mars
https://www.marcorsyscom.marines.mil/News/News-Article-Display/Article/2191051/pm-infantry-weapons-undergoing-largest-modernization-effort-in-decades/