Is the Chinese military an actual threat to Taiwan?

>>63906798 (OP)
I'm a threat to Taiwan.

>>63906819
who are you

1.4 billion no match for dubble barrl palmeddo.

>>63906826
Hey derl

>>63906798 (OP)
>taiwan
Not in any way
>america
On the other hand...

>>63906798 (OP)
Impressive

ANGRY TO DIE
ANGRY TO DIE

>>63906798 (OP)
Yes.

>>63906841
I'll just leave this here.

>>63906841
>america
Do it. Do Chinese-flavored 9/11. Give us a reason to tag up with S. America and go pirate hunting in the waters the Chinese aren't supposed to be fishing in. Let Japan drop their pacifism and turn the Chinese navy into chum. Force Australia to swing to being right-wing after making the PLA look like bloodthirsty retards. Make every SE Asian country get very nervous as they kickstart a pacific war. Make the world sanction trade with the sick-man of Asia, sweatshop of the world.

Do. It. Faggot.

>another thinly veiled taiwan thread
>inb4 chinkshills poster

>>63906913
>just hooooo...ld me bac...k bros....

>>63906927
China has never won a war. Ever.

Yes. China is much larger and Taiwan is a small island; it's a quarter the size of Japan.

>>63906939
>it doesn't count... 2 more weeks... okay!!

>>63906913
Tell me who the 5 eyed spider bitch is and I might talk to CCP, convince them to let America appear independant after we take you as our vassal state.

>>63906948
So you admit that China has never won a war.

>>63907270
How do you become so brain rotted you're sexually attracted to cartoons - let alone a xenomorph cartoon at that.

>>63907282
I mean I remember thinking Roxanne was cute in the Goofy movie when I was a kid. I'm more confused that the Chinese think spiders have 5 eyes.

>>63907270
It's Muffet from Undertale and I think the artist is Haaru.
It's not chink tho.

>>63906948
celebrating 0.0005 billion additional births in a nation of 1.4 billion? Is that REALLY the statistic you want to be citing here chang?

>>63906798 (OP)
>vertical video letterboxed into a horizontal video like 4x its original width
Smartphones and their consequences

>>63907756
Smartphones can record in landscape, it's always the user.

>>63906924
>>63906927
>>63906948
>h-haha i inb4'd people making fun of me shilling for china
>once again posts forced meme that only he posts, where he turns his master into a less ugly person by turning him into a westener
we do look better than your masters, correct, that's why you're spamming an image where he looks like us (read: manly)

how's it feel to live with the fact that your only purpose in life is being a shill for a dictatorship that sees you as a resource, btw?

>>63906798 (OP)
They could probably take Taiwan after a year or two of fighting, the problem is all the strategic value of Taiwan would be destroyed in the process. If anything it would be a purely propaganda move.

>>63906927
holy shit, monkebean said that?

Are those videos real? that's literally russia crap

>>63906948
holy shit! lmao. i cant believe youd actually post this hahahaha

>>63906927
I dislike chinksects because they are cruel to cats and shit.
But i like Xi

>>63906913
>Force Australia to swing to being right-wing
You'll never turn us into a copy of America no matter how hard you try, we are simply too smart for that

>>63908116
I'd wager Xi is 90% of why China is perceived as a threat today. I mean, if you brought back Zemin to rule today's PRC, nobody would be afraid. China would become the world leader in micro and nanoelectronics of every kind in a couple of years, tho.

>>63906861
two more weeks

>>63906798 (OP)
>Amerifats
>Get to destroy the Russian military without doing any actual fighting and only have to face 0.0001% higher spending and a slight increase in gas prices.
>"OMG, this is intolerable, end the war NOW! I can't consooom as much as I want too. We must surrender and abandon our allies."
>Chinese
>America has B list politician make minor visit to contested territory.
>Light their own American cars on fire in rage.
>"Angry to die!!!! Angry to die!!!!! Humiliation to die!!!!"
I think we all know who has the morale advantage at least. Boomers will declare we surrender to China the second an embargo makes cheap Chinese shit vanish from their stores DESU.

>>63908398
You can see the power imbalance in how megacorps bow to Xi but shit on Trump. The US as a whole might still be more powerful than China but the US government has way less power over America than the CCP over China, and Trump vastly less power in the US than Xi in the US. Hence the TACO shit, where Trump always pussies out because he cannot offend anyone, whereas Xi welded people in their homes no problem.

This makes Xi the most powerful man on the planet and the CCP the most powerful organization.

>>63908398
what year did you install tiktok

>>63908116
it's embarrassing how hard tankies and other such scum try to force this meme of le cool strongman
this shit reminds me EXACTLY of the same cringeworthy image ziggers built up around putin before it was revealed he was actually a geriatric retard.

>>63908443
>Meanwhile in America
Didn't he just do the lying about strikes thing you claim only thirdies do?

>>63908011
>the problem is all the strategic value of Taiwan would be destroyed in the process. If anything it would be a purely propaganda move.
I mean, destroying itself is a chinese tradition so it's not like that makes it less likely

>>63906822
He is a threat to Taiwan.

>>63908449
i'm not an american, trump is a thirdie at heart, but the rest of the US isn't.
it doesn't really matter though, ultimately there's a fundamental difference between a democracy and an ultracorrupt hole like china.
one simply feels the need to lie a lot more than the other.
you can see it on this board with chinkshills constantly going out of their way to indulge in fantasy scenarios where the US totally won't do anything, or using dishonest tactics to get "gotcha's" on people trying to have a real argument. or they'll magically destroy every carrier with their magic weapons.
chinks and other totalitarian regimes simply aren't built to handle warfare situations where things don't go to plan. and if they didn't go to plan, you obviously can't tell anyone about it because that would put your reputation in jeopardy.

>>63908481
>but the rest of the US isn't.
Yeah they are. Otherwise they'd have elected someone else you fucking retard. The chief characteristic that makes locals spot ameritard tourists instantly is their thirdie mindset, because ameritards are just thirdies with a firstie wallet.

The only other people who behaves this way are the Chinese, but they at least have a tour guide to wrangle them.

>>63906798 (OP)
Yes, Taiwan would put up a fight and China would take significant losses like in the tens to hundreds of thousands but that's still less than 0.1% of the population and China would win.
Assuming US fully commited intervention then they could hold out but the US would also take significant losses likely in the tens of thousands.
Most realistic is limited US intervention with arms suppied but not a dirrect war between the US and China, this would lead to a prolonged war that would likely end in a Chinese occupation facing a large insurgency. I think China would ultimately win this because they don't need to worry about elections or manpower.

Going after Taiwan or doing any other tarded thing would result in the rest of the world showing you just how much you really matter. Which is zero. Absolutely nobody wants China running shit. Nobody. Do keep seething though, I find great enjoyment in it.
VNR

>>63906861
Where is that? Can only imagine how bad it'd be for everyone down stream if it blew up.

>>63908011
>the problem is all the strategic value of Taiwan would be destroyed in the process. If anything it would be a purely propaganda move.
Not really, from what I gathered, Chyna is cucked to death when it comes to nuclear subs. The waters around Chyna are shallow, or when they are, you have an island like Taiwan that cucks them meaning their subs can't go out undetected. The US knows where they are 24/7 due to this. Their nuclear deterrence is completely neutered out.
Getting Taiwan back would allow them to send subs undetected.
It's of very important strategic value, even if completely leveled.

>>63908645
That sounds correct, but wouldn't the act of taking Taiwan by force put them on most of the world's shitlist anyway? But it's a different story if, say, China convinced Taiwan to merge together willingly.

>>63906927
>He radiates power in this picture, doesn't he?
He looks like a decently well dressed hotel greeter or valet, except too old and silently cursing having to try to look attentive

>>63908495
>because ameritards are just thirdies with a firstie wallet.
Pretty sure the saying is "America is a third world country with a guchi belt"
Get it right tankietard

>>63908443
Xi is literally retarded as in he has no real education and seems like some kind of true believer. He's going hard on reviving Marxist education and nationalist drives because it seems he didn't get the memo that those are bullshit used to control people.

>>63912037
>he didn't get the memo that those are bullshit used to control people.
buddy, read what you wrote and think about why hes pushing it.

>>63906913
>Give us a reason to tag up with S. America and go pirate hunting in the waters the Chinese aren't supposed to be fishing in.
Fuck tariffs, Trump should unironically bring back letters of marquee so that privateers can sink Chinese fishing ships. World fishing stocks are doomed as long as Chinese fishing ships can sail freely.

>>63908498
If Taiwan actually managed to stop the Chinese on the beaches, I think they could win. An invasion of Taiwan would literally be the largest amphibious invasion in history, and any sort of mobilization for it by the PLA would take weeks, if not months, giving Taiwan plenty of time to prepare. If Taiwan can't manage to stop the PLA from establishing any beach heads, I think any insurgency would be short lived.

>>63908784
>That sounds correct, but wouldn't the act of taking Taiwan by force put them on most of the world's shitlist anyway?
The world's response would be similar to Russia invading Ukraine: Western countries, along with Japan and maybe other Asian nations would be pissed and sanction China; but Russia and other thirdies who are in debt to China would not voice any objections at all, if not outright support the Chinese invasion.

But it's also very possible that China would just blockade Taiwan until they surrender instead of launching a full-scale invasion.

of course they are, they're a much larger army. the chinks do a lot of posturing and their military is probably mediocre but they still have a massive standing army.

>>63908481
>trump is a thirdie at heart, but the rest of the US isn't
Do you even use this board?

>>63908100
>Looks at Eastern reproduction rates
>'Inner Mongolia'
>That's a weird way of saying 'West Korea'

>>63907293
Yea Lola Bunny and Jessica Rabbit really fucked up a lot of millennials ngl.

>>63907782
The XE is so absurdly cool.

>>63908495
Sounds like another seething yuropoor or cucknadian pissy because they have to pull their own weight for once. You could always just pull out of NATO if you actually have a shit. But you can’t. Because the truth is we own you. And you know it. Impotent faggots the world over outside of the U.S. and El Salvador seems like these days.

The US is the main threat to Taiwan (TSMC)

>>63906939
Technically they did win WWII but that's like saying the 3rd string kicker sitting benchline won the super bowl.

63914418
Very organic post

>>63906798 (OP)
Yes, but China would sustain big losses crossing the heavily fortified Taiwan Strait and then amphibious assault with no guarantee of success.
The CCP won’t try anything until they are absolutely sure they will succeed because they fear embarrassment more than anything

do the chinks pay people to talk about this every goddamn day?

>>63917284
>pay
More like extort resident cyber criminals to be their trolls or face punishment

>>63917309
some of them are also just legitimate schizophrenics that feel like they were betrayed by their own country because they figured out something they were taught in school was a lie. very obsessed, mentally ill people that have no qualms with spending 5 hours every day shilling for a foreign nation they think will put the western hemisphere in their place.
they literally have no job and no life and don't care that they're wasting their short time on earth being humiliated on an imageboard as long as they fight the good fight.

>>63908100
>Shanghai
>0.61
Genuinely how? How the fuck does it get that low?

>>63908345
World leader in brothels, whorehouses and general dubaism too

>>63917493
Easy
Their work culture
Shanghai is one of the most cutthroat and busiest places in all of China, it is not uncommon for women to be unwed and single over 30 and not have had a serious partner within the last 5 years. 12+ hour days are extremely common
How do I know this? I've met many women from Shanghai over their social media

>>63906913
based milffet poster

>>63907270
Muffet from Undertale, Artist is Haaru. Milffet specifically.

sure, but it'd be a hard invasion for someone who has planned for it, no matter who was invading. if taiwan fights and has the munitions, a lot of assets would be in the locker.

>>63917493
Work culture, even if they are not doing 6-9-9 or whatever dumb shit that was officially it's still in vogue and you try and find a mate when 6 days a work you work from 9 am to 9pm as anon mentioned.

I wonder what the living prospects are outside of a shithole like Shanghai. If you can find some urban, not rural and destitute but not hip happening city where it's less cut-throat and more pleasant. Kind of like what living in say the 7th or 8th largest city in Japan would be like instead of Uuoooohhhh Tokyo.

Also we'll have to see if automation really makes up for reduced population.

>>63917624
Hangzhou, Nanjing, and Suzhou are more hospitable from what I hear, but the work opportunities are not as "luxurious"

>>63906826
DUBL BURL DURL

>>63907278
they're winning the birthrate and culture war.

>>63917991
Lol their birthrate is in the toilet and they are so terrified of western cultural dominance they ban their citizens from using western media.

>>63908192
Shut up, Anthony.

>>63917991
see >>63908100
and becoming more western is their only chance of growing at a nation, so no, they lost the cultural war forever, a long time ago too, hell, even their military is a western cultural victory because mimicking us is literally their only shot at putting up a fight in a kinetic conflict.

>>63906798 (OP)
it'd be pretty fucking depressing if it wasn't.

>>63917624
>Also we'll have to see if automation really makes up for reduced population.
How can it? Only truly wealthy nations could even theoretically make it happen and the problem with robots is that they don't buy anything.

A human who puts potato-chips into bags for 8 hours Monday through Friday will go buy some potato chips on Saturday. Robots don't buy anything at all, they ONLY put the potato-chips into the bags. So it creates a situation where the "worker" does not participate in the economy which ultimately will only create more problems than it solves.

>>63908100
In the ancient world people had no access to contraception, and needed lots of children to help run their farms/fisheries/blacksmith shops/etc. Also, the children would take care of them when they got older. People had no means of avoiding pregnancy, and needed lots of kids anyway since their families were the only ones who usually helped them as they ran their farms and got older.

Nowadays? Most people live in a 2 bedroom apartment that costs half their paycheck. And they have access to contraception, so they can avoid having kids. Also, there are (for the moment) a variety of social services which can help take care of you as you get older. Also, taking care of kids is LOTS of work that people aren't inclined to do.

We live in an urbanized world which does nothing to entice people to have children. So, people just stopped having kids around the 1960s and it's only gotten worse since then.

>>63917624
>Also we'll have to see if automation really makes up for reduced population.
How can it? Only truly wealthy nations could even theoretically make it happen and the problem with robots is that they don't buy anything.

A human who puts potato-chips into bags for 8 hours Monday through Friday will go buy some potato chips on Saturday. Robots don't buy anything at all, they ONLY put the potato-chips into the bags. So it creates a situation where the "worker" does not participate in the economy which ultimately will only create more problems than it solves. I mean, how is an economy supposed to work where most people don't have jobs?

>>63917493
In the ancient world people had no access to contraception, and needed lots of children to help run their farms/fisheries/blacksmith shops/etc. Also, the children would take care of them when they got older. People had no means of avoiding pregnancy, and needed lots of kids anyway since their families were the only ones who usually helped them as they ran their farms and got older.

Nowadays? Most people live in a 2 bedroom apartment that costs half their paycheck. And they have access to contraception, so they can avoid having kids. Also, there are (for the moment) a variety of social services which can help take care of you as you get older. Also, taking care of kids is LOTS of work that people aren't inclined to do.

We live in an urbanized world which does nothing to entice people to have children. So, people just stopped having kids around the 1960s and it's only gotten worse since then.

>>63906798 (OP)
>militarily
No any attempt at a naval invasion would make the Russians in Ukraine look actually competent. There’s a handful of beaches capable of supporting amphibious landings and they’re all pre-prepared positions.

The real threat is the CCP have been aggressively trying to buy up Taiwans media.

>>63908426
>Xi the most powerful man on earth
>can’t even retake a small island within eyesight of the Chinese shores
>throws a bitch fit when someone mentions Winnie the Pooh

>>63906798 (OP)
No, if they where Xi would have taken it already. The clock is ticking and he doesn't have long before someone else has to take up the mantle of "reunifying" China. They are just being groomed as the new turdie strongman now that Russia tripped on the world stage. Their purpose is to offer an "alternative" source of weapons opposite the West so the great game can continue. Simple as.

>>63914017
>If Taiwan actually managed to stop the Chinese on the beaches, I think they could win.
Taiwan sat around nursing its conventional military for too long, and haven't prepared enough. They need to invest heavily in cost-effective asymmetric systems designed to deny landing and air suppression, and strike back against relevant airfields. But they could never win in the long run, without US and Japanese support. Because such a strategy is entirely reliant on China going "it's not worth devoting the resources to it". Only the US and allies are capable of actually denying China control. And the Taiwanese know all this and won't bother fighting if they aren't sure of US commitment.
So the Taiwanese can't stop the Chinese on the beaches, but the Taiwanese and US can.

>>63908100
>Become wealthier
>Stop breeding
Crazy how this just keeps happening everywhere.

>>63918154
>I mean, how is an economy supposed to work where most people don't have jobs?
Have less people, probably. Don't ask how they're going to do THAT, however.

>>63908398
[x] to die is just a figure of speech in Chinese to emphasise whatever comes beforehand. Instead of being annoyed as hell a Chinese would say he is so annoyed that he wishes to die.

>>63906798 (OP)
Inherently yes.
To be a threat to taiwan the chinese don't need to have a credible chance of winning.
As long as they believe they have a chance, leading them to pursue a conflict, and have some weaponry which can target taiwan, causing damages and loss of life on the island, they are a threat.

>>63920868
most chinks are still significantly poorer than a mid-tier european country, the growth has simply stopped, working hours are too long and the dangling keys of becoming less poor are there to keep them long

>>63920866
You're not wrong, which is why I said IF the Taiwanese managed to stop the Chinese on the beaches.

Ukraine seems to have made them at least partially realize that they need to invest in asymmetric systems as you said, but the problem is we're still talking about undoing decades of complacency, and the Taiwanese are still buying arms that mostly look good politically. Just this month it's been announced we're sending them another batch of Abrams which are going to be fucking useless for stoping the PLA on the beaches:
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/us-to-send-second-batch-of-m1a2t-abrams-tanks-to-taiwan-amid-rising-chinese-threats

Also penetration by Chinese spies in Taiwan's military is really fucking bad, and Taiwan's counterintelligence sucks. People who suggest we sell F-35s to Taiwan are retards. We might as well hand deliver the blueprints for the F-35 to the PLA in a nice gift-wrapped box because it would be the same end result as giving Taiwan F-35s.

>>63920868
It's because whenever a country gets richer, the cost of living goes up, and it becomes harder to earn the income needed to comfortably support both yourself, a spouse, and children. And as >>63922249 said, working hours in China are so bad that a lot of people simply don't have the time to find a spouse and fuck to make children. But that's true for a lot of countries like Japan and South Korea.

I think another factor is how parents generally want their children to grow up with better lives than they did. It's why so many parents who never went to college work long hours to send their kids to college. Meanwhile, if you're a dirt poor farmer and you expect your kids to also be dirt poor farmers, then you don't need to save money for their education.

The only exception I can think of to birthrates falling as a country gets richer is certain Muslim countries like the Gulf states. But I think that's mainly because Islam emphasizes women staying in the home to the point that women will only work for a few years before finding a husband.

I actually once about Chinese working in Egypt, and it included this complaint from a Chinese factory owner about his female Egyptian employees:
>Xu had wanted to hire women, but he quickly discovered that he was limited to those who are unmarried. Turnover was high: most workers quit whenever they got engaged or married. Even worse, Xu discovered that young Egyptian women can’t live in dormitories, because it’s considered inappropriate to be away from their parents at night. Female employees have to be bused in and out of Suez, which adds more than three hours to the workday. This prevented Xu from running multiple shifts on his assembly lines, and after a year he shut down the plant.
https://archive.is/rfMAt

>>63922492
>The only exception I can think of to birthrates falling as a country gets richer is certain Muslim countries like the Gulf states.
I just looked them up and they're worse than I thought desu. Qatar, the UAE, and Bahrain all have below replacement rate birth rates and the Saudi numbers are quickly dropping.
Somebody is gonna have to figure out cloning/artificial womb technology, relying on people to fuck and breed is not sustainable.

>>63922492
Those Muslim countries also suffer from lowering birthrates. The only place that's an exception to the trend is Israel if I remember correctly.

>>63906798 (OP)
Weird translations here. It is much too literal.

>>63922547
A die off is a GOOD thing

>>63922492

The real trick is the more the average person earns within an economy the lower the quality of life for most.
This is because an economy with certain finite resources like space and housing cannot scale up those resources into something people enjoy.
So when enough of the population works harder or longer it just sets that as the minimum amount and average work hours most must match to purchase the finite things. Eventualy this can lead to situations like Japan was for years with many working 12-14 hours a day in one of the wealthiest most advanced nations and earning large incomes only to have very little to show for it, and no time to ever enjoy life.

The population working ever harder and longer to compete against itself is only beneficial to the elites utilizing the workforce, while most workers lose.

While if the average person just earned much less the cost of the finite resources would be proportionaly lower, and the average worker would have similar purchasing power, but more hours to actualy enjoy what they purchase.
SEA bug people are prone to always try and get ahead by working longer though, which leads to the nightmarish societies of South Korea, Japan, and China, all under different forms of government and culture but suffering similar economic hells.

The economy is just a fancy method of dividing what is available, and you quickly hit diminishing returns if society works too hard. You only need enough production to be adequate for the needs of society, not excess.
Though elites will always say more is needed as their quality of life actualy scales with production as the owners of it.
If the workforce can be pitted to work increasingly harder to compete against itself for finite resources they always lose.
That is the case of most SEA nations.

The USA was great in the 1950s precisely because it hard coded a maximum work day as 8 hours, when most didn't commute outside of town, and most households only had one income.

>>63923446
>The USA was great in the 1950s precisely because it hard coded a maximum work day as 8 hours, when most didn't commute outside of town, and most households only had one income
I will never stop hating boomers for taking this from me. Even when they die, I can't compete with fucking conglomerate property companies paying top dollar for the homes they left. Hell isn't enough.

>>63906798 (OP)
any taiwan "invasion" will probably just be drones and missile spam. i dont see china sending bodies of retards whos only combat experience is watching wolf warrior for 16 hours a day in between drills that dont reflect live combat. especially if it means amphibious landing into what is basically D-day 2.0

>>63923628
All taiwan talk is just for internal purposes. Anyone with a brain can see china would bleed like a mofo to just get to the beach, much less take it. Theyll just say taiwan is china and cope and seethe at all evidence to the contrary.

>>63906798 (OP)
China's debt to GDP ratio is over 300%, they literally can't afford a war with Taiwan.

>>63908192
based
fuck right wing grifters and fuck their oligarchs too
It's amazing what Australia managed to sustain in spite of historical trends and democratic decline by virtue of beinf built arounf workers unions
That is also somewhat a bulwark against this hyperoligarchic capitalism
Death to gina rheinhardt the liberal party (rightoid grifters/republicans of australia) and coal shills by the way
Made In Australia 2025!

>>63924434
I constantly get reminded that the rate of literacy in australia is on the lower end for an english-speaking country whenever I read something an australian wrote.

>>63924434
Yeah too bad the left wing in Australia is full of retarded race communists like the rest of the western world.

>>63922606
this tbhimofam
there has to be a balance, there are just too many humans. especially hungry, thirsty brown mouths.

>>63922581
youre never gonna guess which group of people in israel are largely propping that one up