>like 5 f-16s lost to drones
how do they do it?

Everything is possible when you write fanfiction. They also destroyed 10 Boris Johnson's

>like 5 tu-95 lost to drones
how do they do it?

>>63911475 (OP)
>how do they do it?
trying to shoot down targets moving 80-115 mph using a jet fighter that stalls at 115 mph using the guns because they don't have enough missiles for all of the Shaheds.

It happened to Sabres hunting Po-2s in Korea and Mig-21s hunting A1D Skyraiders and O-2 Skymasters in Vietnam. It's caused by fixating on the target to the point that you lose track of your own aircraft's speed and altitude and then end up with too little of either to recover.

>>63911495
That's why they need slower planes, with lower stall speeds, for drone work. Fighter jets are too valuable to risk losing them to what are basically self-propelled flak shells.

>>63911495
>>63911523
Mi-8s with tons of APKWS could probably do a pretty good job.

Khohol syssyies wat nu? I don't think losing 5 out of our 10 planes is too good. Maybe we should quickly focus on how we slightly damaged 2 out of Russia's 800?

>>63911475 (OP)
>downed 7 drones
got swarmed.

Here come the gloating zhills...

>>63911543
the US should have never cancelled rah-66...

>>63911543
Helicopters don't have the endurance. And many of them are pretty slow, unless they want to eat even more into that limited endurance. Plus there's the operational ceiling. Newer Shasneeds fly pretty high up during their travel period, like 4 - 5 km.
They need a combo of long endurance, high cruise but low stall speed and decent payload (for the APKWS you mentioned).

>>63911475 (OP)
>32 years old
>already a ltc
Reminds me of ww2 where you'd see guys in the army making it all the way to e7 or something in a two year stint.

>>63911683
>Helicopters don't have the endurance.

low altitude flying at night is dangerous

geran drones also have radial efps on their warhead, so if the warhead detonates from a gun kill, there's a chance of catching an efp

mi8 taking drone down this morning

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1939230090577039523

>>63911788
It's like shooting at a flak shell.

Turboprop will be an ideal shahed hunter

>>63911475 (OP)
>5 f16 lost to drones

what kind of cope is that?
>>63911495
He successfully downed 7 aerial targets. His F-16 was damaged in the battle, but he managed to steer the aircraft away from a populated area.

https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/1939206773069455613

so unless the drones are dogfighting now clearly they got shot down

I don't even need to read this. If they were israeli, then it happened. If they were American or Ukrainian, then it didn't. Simple. As.

>>63911849
>>63911978
aint opening your twitter links btw

>>63912029
>i dont want to face reality from a legit source therefore i will deny it

>>63912030
>legit source
suck my cock bro

>>63911978
Pribably got FOD in the big :D air intake.

>>63911475 (OP)
That is unfortunate. I have long been in favor of skipping the relatively fancy stuff and sending Ukraine an extra 1500 Bradleys instead.

>>63911978
>so unless the drones are dogfighting now clearly they got shot down
he was probably well below radar horizon for anything that can shoot him down, so a drone detonating from a gun kill is probably the likely cause. caught frag or efp.

>>63911543
>Mi-8s with tons of APKWS
Unfortunately, those APKWS motors went to the middle east.

>>63911567
>losing 5 out of our 10 planes
It's like 5/30 now, keep up. Two more countries have sent over F-16s, it's going to be 85ish by the end of the year.

>>63912087
>it's going to be 85ish by the end of the year.
air superiority chances?

>>63911475 (OP)
Because they are fucking retarded.

>>63912095
pretty sure ukies can already get local air superiority in places, like a month ago when they used f-16s for air strikes in kursk

>>63911895
>Turboprop will be an ideal shahed hunter
I think it needs to be something with off-bore gun targetting.
Gunship helos like apache are probably better and Apache's might have the ceiling to engage swarming Gerans too but since Ukraine doesn't have apache's, I think you need articulated guns at least.

>>63912086
geran's do not fly at low alt during its cruise anon.............

they are at least at 1500-2500ft
so no he wasnt

>>63912095
>air superiority chances?
Overall, terrible.
BBC have some 1.5k combat airframes, good data is hard to come by but nobody thinks they have less than a thousand or so just in the airforce and the naval aviation is another 250-500 airframes.
I think the naval aviation can outnumber Ukraine by itself.

That said, Russian air defences are popping like champagne on ladies night, their AWACs are having a very bad war and Ukraine is speed-running integrated systems warfare so it's not a direct match-up.

Russia should be able to just throw everything in the air and get tangible results but they don't like risking pilots who are usually connected people and airframes, almost all of which are archeotech now. This leads to smaller surgical incursions which Ukraine has a tech advantage for and can potentially achieve local superiority in.

If everything Russia had strapped on some a2a and some a2g and flew west, Ukraine's air defences would be flattened and much of their airforce destroyed, either in the air or on the ground. The wave of missiles and drones sent through to Kyiv during and after this would mostly get through and cause mass devastation.

The price of doing so would be to leave Russian aviation in ashes though and since Ukraine hasn't even received their full allotment of aircraft, they'd be continuously replacing the airframes you destroyed while Russia would have to beg China to sell them J-10s for oil or something.

>>63912087
>>63911567
When did the ziggers come up with the 5 downed f-16 larp.
Or is this the new cope after the Su-35 shootdown ?

>>63912101
Turreted prop fighters
Imagine pic related but with a quad .50 CROWS turret in place of the manual one

>>63912123
>ukraine's air defenses would be flattened
they tried that early war, it didn't work.
russia simply doesn't have the cohesion, training and technology needed to disassemble post-soviet style IADS
could they do a lot of damage if they tried this? sure, but it would come at a cost of nearly their entire airforce and still wouldn't break the back of ukrainian AA

>5 f-16's lost to drones
may I see them?