Is a 10/22 a must have firearm? I was recently talking about guns with an extended family member at a party and he said that the 10/22 was not only the best first gun a man could buy, but also a practically indestructable tool for training and survival. He even claimed it was the only .22LR you could dry fire all day long without damaging it. I've been into guns for a few years now, but I've never even shot one of these. Am I missing out? is this really worth dropping $400 on?

The only guns that 22 rimfire makes sense in are manually operated firearms, like gallery guns which can fire hearing safe 22 short/CB, or revolvers.

22 rimfire is otherwise made obsolete by its unreliability and woefully outdated design.

>>63914068 (OP)
10/22's are a good buy. Especially when the real stuff can hurt your ears and bruise your shoulder.

I like to finish with 10/22 practice after using up my lot on my other guns. A good time filler for cheap.
>teaching anyone should start with a 10/22 if you do so

>ruger
>10/22
if you enjoy pot metal and spraypainted finish which flakes off after the first range trip, sure

there are actually much better 22s for sale for not that much more money, I don't know why ruger is still the go-to

>>63914084
What about the dry firing? Can you actually do that or was that BS?

They are fun guns out of the box and endlessly customizable
You could build one completely out of non Ruger made parts there is so much aftermarket
Get one, always fun to bring to the range to warm up or just keep shooting more when you don't want to shoot more expensive rounds

They’re really solid rifles. Lots of aftermarket accessories, reliable, accurate enough for squirrels and plinking. Light enough for kids or carrying all day without even thinking about it. They’re a great cheap rifle.

It’s generally bad to dry fire rim fires, but the 10/22 is relatively safe. Since there’s no last round hold open, it’s expected that you’ll dry fire after the last round on an empty mag unless you’re really paying attention.

>>63914068 (OP)
IMHO the idea of a "must have gun" reeks of consoomerism. You should never buy a gun because someone else said so. You should buy it if it makes sense for your specific needs. That said, 10/22s have a lot going for them. They are very easy to work on and require no expensive specialty tools. The aftermarket for them is huge.

>>63914096
Yes, you can dry fire it. The firing pin cannot hit the edge of the chamber because there is a pin that stops it moving before that happens. See that oval hole? A roll pin goes through that hole, limiting the travel of the firing pin.

>>63914068 (OP)
They make for great training rifles with a few simple modifications. Look up "Liberty Training Rifle" and "Project Appleseed" Picrel

Good gun. Especially if you have a few acres of land and need to keep it clear of rodents. Mine is haunted by the ghosts of 1,000 squirrels

>>63914115
>You could build one completely out of non Ruger made parts there is so much aftermarket
This is an important thing to understand.

I got into 10/22's because my buddy bought one--a fancy target model with a bull barrel and laminated stock. I loved it so I wanted one too...problem was that was a $750+ model (years ago) and I didn't have that kind of $$$. I bought the cheapest one I could find, a youth model carbine on sale at Wal-Mart for $130. I sold every part except the receiver, which made back a lot of that money. Then I bought a Green Mountain barrel, Yukon stock, Clark trigger, etc, and built my own poor man's clone. When I was done I spent about $400 and had a really nice rig for a lot less money.

It's also extremely simple to work on. Want to take the action out of the stock? One screw. Want to take the barrel off the receiver? You don't need a barrel vise or special tool like most rifles, it's just two socket headed bolts. All you need is a hex key aka allen wrench.

>>63914173
Do you have a picture of the build?

>>63914220
I have a few pics. This is the Wal-Mart 10/22 taken apart. I sold the stock, barrel, and barrel band, and got good pretty good money for them since they were 100% new.

>>63914296
And here's the "after".

>>63914068 (OP)
>Is a 10/22 a must have firearm?
fuck no
ive owned 3 and out of my 22lrs its the one i use the least. basically i buy them for other people to use when we go shooting. these new shooters end up loving them so much they buy it off me. then i buy another just to have a loner that i give zero fucks about. everytime ive done this the newer gun is worse than the last and requires work cleaning surfaces and modding it to get it to an acceptable level.
if im shooting 22lr none of it goes through a 10/22 cause i have guns i enjoy more.

>>63914332
what is your go to if the 10/22 is your 'give away'?

>>63914068 (OP)
they're fun and alright but manual avtions are more fun and better built
be ready to have a stock that will dent easily and a very small selection of mags that work reliably
9mm PCCs/SMG clones offer the same fun and low recoil for similar ammo prices

>>63914332
your silence is golden but time is indeed on your side with proofs

I want a Ruger 10/22 but field stripping it seems like a pain in the ass. Is it that bad?

>>63914742
>be ready to have a stock that will dent easily and a very small selection of mags that work reliably
Factory 10 rounders and BX-25s are literally all you need.

>>63914068 (OP)
>Is a 10/22 a must have firearm?
If it fits your needs/wants, sure. Out of the box they're pretty solid although the main appeal of the 10/22 is the huge aftermarket.

>the best first gun a man could buy
It's a solid .22, so sure.

>practically indestructible tool for training and survival.
Again, it's a solid .22.

>He even claimed it was the only .22LR you could dry fire all day long without damaging it.
Maybe not the only .22 you can dry fire

>I've been into guns for a few years now, but I've never even shot one of these. Am I missing out? is this really worth dropping $400 on?
Eh you're probably better off rolling your own. Get a Fletcher RW 11/22 receiver (my main gripe with the 10/22 design is how annoying it is to field strip) and build a rifle to your specifications. My build is:
>11/22 receiver
>Ruger bolt and BX trigger
>Tacsol barrel
>Fagpul stock
>Red dot

Best groups I've gotten were around .3-.5" at 25 yards using Federal Automatch. Again due to the 10/22s aftermarket you can have a build suited towards anything you want.

>>63914805
Depends on how autistic you are about cleaning. I am so I got a Fletcher receiver, 10/10 would buy again.

>>63914837

*Maybe not the only .22 you can dry fire but you can with no issues, it even says so in the manual.

>>63914719
marlin39a if i feel like shooting a lever, mossberg 43 if bolt.
but noo the new shooters dont want to shoot fun guns they want semi auto with the scope on it.

>>63914805
A screwdriver is needed to get the stock off and a punch is needed to get two pins out of the receiver to get the fire control group and bolt out. Cleaning the barrel is either from the muzzle with a cleaning rod or just a bore snake. I like to drip a little bit of hoppes down the barrel, let it sit, then spray a bit of lucas oil gun cleaner down the barrel and pass the bore snake through. Rifling is clean as new everytime and I never have to risk damaging the crown.

>>63914872
you dont need a punch for any of the pins. its loose enough you could use your finger or a pen.
its pretty much use a screwdriver for the 1 screw. then dont be retarded and strip/crossthread the receiver or your fucked.

wait i think the barrelband has a screw too but its almost a non issue.

>>63914883
Mine needs a punch, my pins were damn near impossible to get out the first time and they're still snug every time I take it apart, but I don't need a hammer like I did my first disassembly.

>>63914068 (OP)
>Am I missing out?
yes
>is this really worth dropping $400 on?
lol no. 250 tops for a basic bitch.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/ruger-1022-carbine-22-long-rifle-satin-blackhardwood-semi-automatic-rifle-185in/p/301829

Might as well, they're cheap, shoot well enough and have an aftermarket on par with the AR15's.

>>63914837
>his 10/22 needs to be cleaned

>>63914965
Yes, that's what happens when you actually shoot your guns more than twice a year.

>>63914981

>>63914981
Nah, mine just runs better dirty.

She’s a nasty, filthy gutter slut and I love her for it.

How come most 10/22 rifles don't come with threaded barrels as a standard?

>>63915024
Yeah that's based. Mine isn't unreliable, I just have OCD.

>>63915030
because the standard is how they came in the 1960's, axcept with plastic instead of aluminum for the trigger gaurd

>>63914848
i get that tac
fine choices
kids only know present n fire

>>63915052
truth. 1st of 2 ugly points on my 1974 is that aluminum trig gaurd. 2nd is mag release

>>63914837
>I am so I got a Fletcher receiver, 10/10 would buy again.
How well does that hold zero?

>>63915227
Unsure, mine uses the flat cover. My red dot is mounted on the forward rail section and I've seen cantilever scope mounts.

>>63914068 (OP)
Yeah. I have dozens of guns, but I still have two 10/22s. One is a take-down. Both have threaded barrels. Both I suppress with CCI standard velocity. They are immensely shoot-able and great for training, plinking, fun, target shooting, hunting or whatever you want up to 125 yards. I have red dots on mine too. It's always the first gun I take someone out to shoot with if they haven't done so before.

>>63914837
>>63915227
>Fletcher Receiver
Wow these guys have almost exactly what I want, but i dont know If i wanna pay almost a grand for a better 10/22 takedown.

>>63915710
Forgot the Pic

I'm poor but I don't get rimfire. I have enough mechanical shooting skill that 10/22s and ruger mark 4s are just boring as fuck, I don't feel like I am developing anything, it just feels like I'm shooting a toy. I'd honestly rather get a hicap airsoft gun and just full auto dump an old carpet or beer cans

I like the recoil of real calibers, I like the loud boom. I don't care if there's a cheaper option, I don't shoot because the physics of a piece of lead flying at 1100fps tickles me, I shoot because it's challenging and expensive

>>63915730
Wow you’re definitely not poor.

>>63914068 (OP)
>Is a 10/22 a must have firearm?
IMO, absolutely. Great aftermarket too so you can do whatever the fuck you want. Want to make it look traditional and put wood and fancy shit on it? Go ahead. Want to tacticool it? Go ahead. Bullpup chassis? You somehow have at least two options if not more. Want to make it look like a mini-AC556? Grab a B-TM, and shit, maybe put a binary trigger in it. Decent accuracy too and barrel changes are two screws away, four including stock screw and barrel band. While there are some odd design choices, the accuracy is more than good enough even out to 300 IMO.
>he said that the 10/22 was not only the best first gun a man could buy, but also a practically indestructable tool for training and survival.
I mean, cheap ammo and big aftermaket means you can get a "trainer" lookalike for most things. Pretty tough too.
>He even claimed it was the only .22LR you could dry fire all day long without damaging it.
I don't know about "only", but yes you can dryfire it. Pin won't protrude far enough to hit the face of the barrel.
>I've been into guns for a few years now, but I've never even shot one of these. Am I missing out? is this really worth dropping $400 on?
$400? Anon, go on gun.deals and you'll easily find the model 1103 (search "1103") for $205 unless you live somewhere that overcharges for transfers (ie. if it's California, god help you).

>>63914093
>I don't know why ruger is still the go-to
The ability to know that there will be parts and aftermarket for a looooong time. It has its quirks (offcenter recoil rod, clamp in barrel, Ruger's insistence to powder coat the receivers poorly instead of anodize for some reason) but I can overlook them for the aftermarket and support. Meanwhile if I wanted to customize anything else new I'd have to hope to god a local gunsmith would do it for me, do it in a reasonable time (lol), and not only compotently but at a price that isn't retarded. Fuck you can put together a 10/22 without Ruger parts at all. And while it'll cost a lot more, you can have fancy stuff like anodized receivers and much better quality. Or slowly build one from 3rd party everything, receiver included.

>>63914311
Very cool anon

>>63914805
No not really. One flathead, flat or allen for the barrel band (depends on when it was made, aftermarket). Push the pins out with a stick or something and once the first is out you can use it to push the others out (use a punch the first time, ~$8/6 pack @ Harbor Freight). After you've taken it apart a couple times the pins will just about fall out. Then take the bolt buffer pin out (only a PITA if you have a soft replacement from Volquartsen and didn't grease it up or something). Then pull back bolt handle, pull bolt out the bottom and release bolt handle slowly and out the ejection port. All of this gets easier the more you take it apart. The pins and bolt removal will be tight until you do it a couple times and the paint, etc wear and it becomes easier to work on. Sounds complicated but 5-10 times in you won't have to think about it.

>>63914965
NTA but when 99% of the ammo you shoot is Aguila AND you decide to put a silencer on it, yes, you DO have to clean it every ~750rds or so.

>>63915710
As stated before, you can build your own for probably less than what it costs to get a complete rifle from them. If you do go the takedown route I'd advise getting that Magpul optic mount.

>>63915030
This: >>63915052 which is funny because the UK got 1/2x20 threaded 10/22s in the 90s if not also before that (an example being model 01122, which has since been discontinued). Since basically no one had silencers in the US in 1964, they didn't bother threading them except for special export models or custom batches, mostly. And there was no real reason to thread it for a flash hider or brake because it's a 22. Fast forward many years from the NFA being enacted and in the 80s silencers and MGs get some increased but niche appeal. Fast forward to the 2010s and after and hell, with the help of the internet for information and inflation making that $200 tax stamp not as bad, a lot of people start to buy silencers. Ruger starts making more and more threaded models, including standard iron sighted carbine barrels with threads. Even Ruger makes silencers now but their (non-special/harder to find) 10/22 models are really only starting to catch up to the new standard of 22s being semi-commonly silenced (1-2% of 10/22s maybe?). I think the 1151 is being discontinued which sucks as it was always the cheap option I'd recommend anons. However, new hydrodipped stock models with threaded barrels (often ADDITIONALLY with iron sights, which makes me excited because good aesthetics) are popping up at slightly increased prices (like $30-40 over 1151 model range) and the 1103 is only like $200 right now.

>>63915074
You don't like the aluminum trigger group look? Although I agree with the mag release. Bearable with 10rd but paddle is much better with 15s and 25s.

>>63914068 (OP)
The 10/22 is the gold standard for 22 rifles, everyone should own one.
I've always preferred the slimmer Marlin 795.

>>63914742
>.22 is like 10cpr or less
>9mm is usually 20+cpr
Really stretching the definition of "similar"

>>63915840
>if it's California, god help you
Even if anon is in California, he can go buy one at a Sportsmans Warehouse for like $220.

>>63917227
Hold up, I bought a 75th aniversary sporter last month for $360, did I fuck up?

>>63917243
If you were trying to get a cheap one, then yes.

>>63917243
Probably not; what model? I bought a 31113 for $340 about 1-2 years back and IIRC I maybe overpaid like $40-60 compared to current prices. The Anniversary ones are a little more expensive than normal models but often come with nice features more than making up for it. And they seem to have finally stopped production on the 75th models which will effect prices of course. If you don't know the model you can look it up on the Ruger S/N lookup page:
https://ruger.com/dataProcess/serialHistory/

Pic is using one pulled off Ruger's site. Using the serial number off the pics on their model 1265 page, the search brings the info right up with model number. On a funny note, some models like the 31215 appear to maybe be a pre-production sample built off an 1103 (if I'm reading the number right) and others, when searched, do not appear in the lookup system at all. Maybe receivers predating this system? Weird outliers (this very rarely happens but does happen with some newer 10/22s I run across)? S/Ns set aside as prototypes and not entered in the system? Who knows.

>>63917243
I bought one of the stainless 75th anniversary models last fall for about that much. The stock is much nicer than the standard 10/22. IMO well worth the extra over >>63917368

>>63914093
>I don't know why ruger is still the go-to
because you can pull every part off of one with a set of Allen wrenches, including the barrel off of the receiver. The aftermarket is so huge you can build a 10/22 without a single ruger part of you want to. The reason a 10/22 is a great Babby's First Rifle is it's cheap to shoot, reliable, and introduces novice shooters to the concept of customizing and upgrading. They're kind of like the Volkswagen Bug of guns. You can slap all sorts of kits on them and have w shooting replica of something you probably couldn't get otherwise. pic related. It's a Scottwerks "Chicago" kit on a 10/22. What's crazy is the furniture is actually higher quality than the Auto Ordinance Thompsons I've seen.

>>63917243
I doubt it. According to an old post of mine the anniversary sporters are cheaper than regular sporters were in Fall 2023 when they were (according to my probably rounded quick gun.deals price search at the time) about $400+tax; not sure if that includes shipping.

>>63918454
NTA, just trying to add to the discussion.
My Sporter is an old odd 90s export model but if yours is anything like mine it's well worth it IMO as well, especially if you or anon above don't already own a 10/22. I have a more tactical 10/22 with more or less everything I ever wanted on it both aesthetically and pratically for hunting, but I bought this as well to have something a little simpler and more traditional looking, though it is also silenced as it would've been in Britain. It is long as fuck, though, especially having to put a 1/2x20 to 1/2x28 adapter on the thing. But also being able to potentially bring a friend to the range and have a silenced range day or silenced hunting trip as well as have a backup silenced 22 for hunting? 100% worth it.

>>63914093
>there are actually much better 22s for sale for not that much more money

Name three.

>>63918565
Weird thing to comment on and I'm not sure how I'd like it on a normal 10/22 but that bolt handle is actually kinda nice which is super rare for me to say about aftermarket 10/22 bolt handles, especially oversized ones. Seems everyone usually makes them clash as hard as they can as compared to the 10/22's styling both in shape and color. Wonder if they sell them separate from the kits.

>>63919947
Watch out, anon, he's going to throw 5 turkshit rifles at you that are totally better because they look fancier and/or more modern on the surface (finish), half the models with even more plastic than Ruger. Thinking about it for myself, if I had to choose something "better", although bolt action and with limited experience with these rifles, I'd throw CZ and Howa out there but IMO those are not even in the same category; the comparison should be semi against semi (even if it is some US made 10/22 clone). Not sure about price on those either, you might be hitting $600-800 which is a bit of a large gap IMO. Also aftermarket/parts availability. Sounds stupid but if I can't get some spare springs, mags, a different or threaded barrel, or throw a rail of my choice on top, it greatly reduces my ability to do what I really want with the rifle.

>>63920005
I should clarify. The bolt handle and finned barrel are from tactical innovations. The barrel is threaded.

>>63914068 (OP)
i like manual action 22s for teacing new people. much safer. but 10/22s are really fun reliable semis.

>>63919947
not him but he cant. the savage 64 is half price but mags are low cap although its a nice design and good quality just cheap on shit like the stock. accurate too. theres a turkshit 10/22 clone called the winchester wildcat thats decent and like $100 cheaper than a 10/22 but if you bought it youd be funding terrorism so dont. the marlin 60 is fantastic but low IQ people dont appreciate the value of a sleek tube fed or microgroove rifling. they dont make them anymore but they made millions and are so common you can find one in the used section of literally any gunshop for like $150 max. the rossi rs22 is about $150 and pretty good for the money. its a clone of the marlin 795. the mossberg 702 is well designed too i like the bolt handle.very reliable. the savage 22 is also good. really the 10/22 competitors main shortcoming is laack of large capacity 30+ rd mags which is all simpletons care about to burn money shooting at garbage on tiktok

>>63921421
The competition for the 10/22s main drawback is the lack of aftermarket parts to turn it into pretty much anything you want. Bench rifle that can put 10 holes on top of each other at 100m? Super light weight woods gun? Replica platform? Funky bullpup? Backyard varmint gun with a can? Race gun? All of these and more can be yours with a 10/22 and minimal effort. There's nothing else like it on the market.

>>63921421
I had a marlin model 60. It was okay, but after the first tube the POI would drift 2” down and right at just 15yards and drift 4” after the second tube. Was crazy seeing as it’s a 22 so the barrel was warm, not hot and it needs to be able to shoot more than one mag every 30 minutes or else it’s a shitty range toy and that’s what a .22 is >99% of the time.
>microgroove rifling
If it was worth a shit other people would do it and Marlin wouldn’t be dropping it.
>oh, Marlin is only dropping it because of the belief that people have that it can’t shoot cast bullets
Would be easily disproven. If microgroove rifling had any merit then some military at some point in time would have used it, but none have at any point. It’s simply a technique that was good for tool life and Marlin made it into a marketing gimmick.

>>63921583
Also the 10/22 has a ton of magazine options including a 110round drum by GSG which actually works.

fuddbusters and ivan the troll btfo the ruger 10/22 for the piece of shit it is on twitter

>>63914919
optic?

>>63921720
Fuddbusters is a literal nigger, anon

>>63921583
You're obviously right about aftermarket parts for the 10/22, but I think it's more psychological than practical. People like the idea of being able to reconfigure their rifle. But to actually change from a bench gun to an ultralight woods gun or bullpup takes enough time and effort that most people are just going to buy a second gun. And while it is possible to accurize a 10/22, after you add a match barrel, trigger, and stock or chassis, you'll spend as much or more than you would have on a purpose-built precision bolt action that will still always be a little bit better. That's not intended as a criticism of the 10/22. But I don't see it as a real advantage unless your hobby is reconfiguring the gun as opposed to shooting it.

>>63914083
the 10/22 uses a rotary magazine retard

>>63914068 (OP)
>Is a 10/22 a must have firearm?
no. they are decent but you could really get any repeating .22 that functions reliably and it would be the same thing. the advantages of the 10/22 are that it's made in America, has a huge aftermarket and the stock is conducive to shooting prone

>>63914083
gallery guns aren't popular anymore because the 10/22 stole their market share

>>63914805
No, I’ve swapped out a couple parts and it’s easy. I’ve had mine since 1989, just added the threaded barrel and need a can.

>>63921720
I like Matt and Ivan and I definitely agree with some of the retarded quirks of the 10/22 like the barrel clamp system instead of having a threaded receiver as well as the weird choice to have one offset recoil spring and rod but frankly I can deal the quirks as there's no way Ruger could change this unless they went the route of the MK IV which I'm sure they very well understand would fracture the 10/22 market in ways that would be very bad for everyone. There were 3rd party threaded receivers but you can already get a 10/22 to shoot pretty damn well. If you can't, get that fancy deep polished spiral bull barrel. It's a tight fit and requires the barrel to be chilled and/or the receiver to be heated. As for the recoil spring I really wish Ruger instead had one centered or at least an additional second rod with no spring on the other side to prevent the bolt handle binding from leverage which makes re-installation of the bolt a pain sometimes. I also wish the recoil rod was designed better than to just have the edges stamped flat near one end to retain the spring and bolt handle as I find the bolt handle likes to get stuck on that flared section when removed from the gun. That flat flaring is actually wearing out on mine IIRC. That could easily be improved by Ruger. For mine, though, I should probably just get a (Kidd? Volquartsen? Wolff?) 3rd party recoil rod and spring with no staking or grind those flares flat, as much of a PITA it may make dis/reassembly. I think the only other gripe I have is the constant force spring design of the BX-15 and BX-25, using a spring to pull rather than push a follower. The spring is just so weak regardless of how many rounds are in it thanks to a spring usually used on grocery store shelves. I know they just copied what Butler Creek, Ramline, and Eaton did far before them, but I wish they either used a normal spring or at the very least put a stronger constant force spring in it.
(cont.)

>>63921720 (cont.'d)
I think that while it has its very strange quirks, it mostly works fine. Non-threaded receivers are weird and I'd never trust a new rifle with this design choice, but here we are 60-some years later and they shoot with decent accuracy, and strangely hold zero rather well even with a receiver mounted scope. The recoil rod is silly and aftermarket options are limited, though mine probably has a couple thousand rounds of supersonic 22 through it (over half silenced) and many cleanings. The magazines work but get dirty, especially silenced. They need cleaning more often than I'd like. Also singlestack only for some reason? Double is harder, I know, but Ruger could do it well. I think while most people overstate the reliability of their rifles (see: people trying to make it through their 50/100rd challenge), Matt/Ivan also maybe go a little far calling it unreliable (or whatever they said). I'm also very curious about the wear that IIRC Matt mentioned on high round count 10/22s as I own one I bought new as well as one I believe a gun club probably owned and made available for a range rental. Both show similar wear and the wear isn't really any worse on the range rental despite it being over 5 times older and probably having at least double the round count as a very very generously low estimate putting it at low 5 digits (pulling the bolt back, you'd swear I polished the internals).

>>63921795
Couldn't you mostly say the same thing about something like the AR-15?
>Sure, you could reconfigure that old M4gery to be a coyote rifle or a modernized SBR but most people are just going to buy a second AR (complete/upper). While it's possible to accurize any AR, after you add a 20" barrel, trigger, rail, gas block, and stock, you'll spend as much or more than you would've on a purpose-built bolt action.
I think what most people will get out of the 10/22's aftermarket is being able to change out the stock, for example, if they don't like it for just about any of the probably hundreds of designs available to fit just about anyone and any use case. Ditto the rail; you can get regular picatinny or go to EGW and get drop-in rails with a pre-set droop (x MOA rails) for longer range shooting. Same with just about any part on the 10/22 up to and including the receiver. That's much like the AR market; you have hundreds of stocks, plenty of aftermarket triggers, and all sorts of parts to make it do whatever you need all in a gun most are very familiar with and are likely to already own and maybe even prefer. While aftermarket alone doesn't make a good gun, it certainly helps a gun be good for more than it otherwise would, and it helps the gun be able to fill niches it otherwise wouldn't with limited factory options.

>>63921916
What does that have to do with what anon said? Also you're responding to one of a handful of anons who post same old retarded reply in like 85% of any mildly 22LR related thread who think we should totally just, like, make rimless centerfire 22LR with jacketed bullets n sheeeeeit. Not that I don't want a rifle in essentially .25 ACP mag, but I also have shot enough 22LR that I really don't see an actual need for such a thing as cool as miniaturized things are. Rimfire primers are goodenuff and rims can be dealt with in ways that make these rifles and mags function nearly the same as non-rimmed.

>>63914122
You are not as intelligent as you think you are.

>>63914296
>>63914311
N E A T. Congrats.

>>63914068 (OP)
>Is a 10/22 a must have firearm?
Yes
>He even claimed it was the only .22LR you could dry fire all day long without damaging it.
No, but it will last a few hundred thousand rounds with just springs and extractor wear.
>Am I missing out? is this really worth dropping $400 on?
These sell for $200 all day every day, if you spend more than that you're a dinglefuck

>>63921583
>The competition for the 10/22s main drawback is the lack of aftermarket parts to turn it into pretty much anything you want.
true but thats not really a huge drawback for most people. most people buying a 22 rifle just want a cheap working 22 thats decently accurate. they arent going to be autist benchrest fags buying $900 boutique carbon fiber barrels and gay ass space invader chasis stocks. the customizable aftermarket is nice but most people literally will never care if their mag release lever is a $100 shiny blue aluminum part with some boomers small business laser etched logo

>>63921703
interesting ive never exprienced that and my marlin 60 and all the ones ive shot have always been tackdrivers that put holes in holes at 15 yards and easily do under 2" groups with bulk ammo at 50. maybe your stock fit is loose try tightening it up or examining the bedding to make sure its mating properly and not sliding around. movement of that magnitude is likely not a heat problem. 4" at 15 yards is way too high a POI shift to be from heat especially from a 22 which doesnt even generate heat required to shift POI. there was something else wrong with your gun.

>>63921720
They're a bunch of contrarian faggots that dont like anything

>>63914068 (OP)
my first .22 was an old martini action and I'd rather have that, but that's because 19th century british single shots are my special interest.I would fully recommend a 10/22 to everyone else though

>>63914173
Neat. I'm new to guns and in a semi-cucked state (WA). How does Walmart sell guns? I guess they have a gun section and you still have to do all relevant paperwork? Or do you really just pick it up and leave?

>>63926414
Every gun store in the US will make you fill out a 4473 form because that's the law, including Walmart.

>>63926414
You're going to fill out a 4473 at any gun store (FFL).
Search for it or read it on the ATF site here. Hoping "part 1" doesn't mean it's incomplete as this was what a quick search brought up.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
And you'll need a drivers license or ID.

>>63927352
>>63930350
And wait two weeks, right?

>>63933457
waiting periods are only a thing in cuckstates

>>63933566
This. I bought a Judge when I was working at an Academy, so I got to use the employee discount. Check took maybe five minutes maximum before I was clear.

>>63915730
>Increase range
>Very small targets
Ask me how I can tell you don’t actually enjoy shooting

>>63927352
>>63930350
>>63933566
>>63935451
Thanks everyone for replying.
t. a grateful nogunner who's on the waiting period for his first

>>63914068 (OP)
>$400

No-- take down model, perhaps.

>>63914068 (OP)
Semi auto rimfires are all garbage, including the 10/22. Get a CZ 457 instead.

>>63914068 (OP)
Just get an RS22. It'll be made just as shitty but it'll still shoot and cycle just as well without the extra $300. The only reason to still get a 10/22 is if you're desperate to trick it out with aftermarket gizmos

>>63937006
nah, get a henry if you are going to go the manual action pill. bolts are for homosexuals

>>63937006
>>63937188
Objectively trash takes.

>>63937188
>Just get an RS22
enjoy your rampant FTEs and FTFs
>t. sent mine back twice and got it back unchanged both times because "nothing was wrong"

>>63938096
also
> It'll be made just as shitty
lmfao no, the Rossi makes even a current day 10/22 seem like a H&H product, and yes that is with me taking Ruger's retarded spray on grippy paint they use now into consideration

>>63938096
Only issues I have ever had have been with norma eco speed which isn't surprising given that half the cartridges came bent out of the box. Everything else has chooched severely.Enjoy your cope.

Only way it's worth getting a "10/22" is by buying an 11/22 and building it out custom. If you want a cheap plinker it is not the correct choice

>>63938318
>Enjoy your cope
wow faggot, I'm real sorry I didn't exactly feel pleased with my cheap foreign shitstick that wouldn't feed worth a damn and wouldn't get fixed by the manufacturer, glad to see you're emotionally invested in it though. I'll shoot my 10/22 I got for $200 that hasn't given me any issues just fine though, thanks

>>63937188
>it'll still shoot and cycle just as well without the extra $300
How much do you think 10/22s are?

>>63938318
The problem with the R22 is that they're coin-tosses. My shop had one come in that just straight up didn't have a crown. If you get one that works, great, but there's a decent chance you'll get one that has blatant QC issues and those magazines aren't the best either and by far its greatest weak point.

>>63938344
uppity dipshit will probably link some ritzed up sporter or something, that or he's just pretending to be retarded all this time and knows full well you can get them for like $225 all day.

>>63914068 (OP)
>He even claimed it was the only .22LR you could dry fire all day long without damaging it.
Wrong
also, funny enough, this revolver was designed by the same guy who designed the 10/22 rotary mags

If you replace everything about the gun, then yeah its pretty good and never stovepipes.

Did you know Matthew Larosiere has never won a single case? And that he was close to almost being disbarred?

>>63938318
Buddy the 10/22 is like $225 and comes with a huge aftermarket and doesn't look like a fucking AIDS stick, neither of which can be said for the Rossi .22. I'll pay the extra $70 or whatever just for that.

>>63938318
That gives mine problems too, it gets fed to the bolt action.

>>63938460
Mine only does that if I don't clean it. You do clean your guns, right, anon?

>>63914068 (OP)
Great guns, depends where you live. I'm in NZ and they're awesome for rabbits which are encountered at mostly 50 yards. Make sure it's suppressed. They do tend to become extensions of your body.
Just paper shooting like lots of Americans are forced to do, I wouldn't bother.

>>63914805
I've had mine for 20 years although used lightly with OCD care, never field stripped. My dad has one that has fired thousands and thousands of rounds in desert like conditions, never even cleaned probably never even wiped down. No problems at all

>>63921715
Should have been 111

>>63939443
New Zealand??? But I thought only Americans have guns! That's what the left-wingers here tell us!

Even though:
>Switzerland
>Yemen
>Finland
>Austria
>Serbia
and now
>Argentina

All have more relaxed gun laws than the United States! Don't even get me started on the Baltics, Croatia, and the Czechs. They are all born with a machine gun in their hands lmao

one of the reasons the 10/22 is so recommended is also a bit of forbidden knowledge that this board wouldn't know these days. the 10/22 is incredibly easy to convert to automatic which if the rule of law stopped applying in the usa for whatever reason is something you might consider doing. or just pay your goy tax and not live in a cucked state. you can find tutorials to do this on the internet for educational purposes only

>>63914805
>>63915863
I'm retarded, I believe that actually it's flathead for stock screw and barrel band on old. And for new I think are both allen but my new one has an aftermarket barrel band so I can't say for sure. The barrel has always been held on with 2x allen IIRC. Pretty simple gun and the trigger group is easy enough with YT videos for assistance and installation of something like a Volquartsen target hammer.

>>63939910
I had a short history of mental health problems in my early 20s and let me tell you I had to jump through some fucking hoops to get my gun license back, taken over 10 years. Even if I get a speeding ticket I can lose it again, so Americans do have a point in what they say. As cucked as we are here though we are the most liberal hunting country in the world, hunt deer and rabbits all year round. Ducks have a season but that's largely to give them time to breed so there's more to shoot

>>63939910
Argentino here, why do you say more relaxed? I don't think that's true at all.

>>63939910
>>63940714
Oh maybe some new development with this Milei nigga, not sure, I haven't been following. But I really doubt they'd get rid of the CLU (basically a firearms license).

>>63914068 (OP)
>indestructable tool for training and survival
>can't drop a deer
Your family member might be retarded.

>>63940760
It can and does drop elks within about 60 yards

>>63939910
shut up kike. ask the new zealander if he has AKs and ARs

>>63940774
It can even take down a moose, just ask Chris McCandless

>>63921421
I've never actually seen a used model 60 for sale. The closest was a 780.

>>63926414
Walmart may not sell guns there anymore if it's like Oregon.

>>63942039
Haunt the local Cabelas/Bass Pro but all in you're better off just buying the cheapest new 10/22 or a mag fed Marlin. I only bought mine because it still had the damn box. Used prices for Marlin 60s are retarded.

>>63942059
Not sure for specific states but in mine it heavily depends on location.

>>63942116
I already have a model 60 that I inherited, just thought it was funny I've never seen one at a store.

>>63914068 (OP)
I only got one because they were selling an integrally suppressed barrel for it for like $380 ten years ago.

People are obsessed with the rifle, and there's never been a story about them not working.

In terms of practically indestructibility there's not really any video torture tests. People would usually shoot 1,000 - 20,000 rounds out of a gun and see how long until a failure. I'm guessing people do that all the time with any 22 or it goes out of business.

With that in mind I'd rather buy a M&P 15/22, or try out the 22 LR conversion kit for a full size AR-15, both of which I know nothing about in terms of reliability, however, I do know they are way way sexier than a 10/22.

The only thing I don't like about the 10/22 is the reifle looks butt ugly.

>>63914068 (OP)
Print one

>>63938329
Stop crying you stupid bitch. You don't even have to infer meaning from context. It's stated explicitly: if you want to buy a cheap shit stick get the cheap cheap shit stick, not the expensive cheap shit stick. It's a .22. you choices are autistic bench rest Lapua ammo target shooting or having cheap fun. The 10/22 can do either but not as well as any other option
>emotionally invested
It was $100 and I'm not the one lactating
>>63938351
The 25s? Same issues are abundant with the cope/22. 10rd or 15 for the Ruger have fewer/no issues
>>63938491
Try $3-400 for any model anyone actually wants to buy

>>63942392
Yeah you're a queer and broke af

>>63942392
>Try $3-400 for any model anyone actually wants to buy
anon the most popular version by far is the cheapest model

what drugs you smokin', bud?

>>63937188
>>63938116
>buy a brazilian made piece of trash

>>63940714
>>63939910
I'm assuming this poster lives in the cuckiest of cuck states which isn't super surprising since I think like a third of Americans live in AWB states

>>63942039
>>63942116
>>63942200
used prices on any tube fed .22 are fucking retarded. go look up used pump .22 prices. fucking $700-$1,000

>>63942298
>leads up your rifling and gasport

>>63939910
There's a zone in Europe that runs from the Czech Republic, south through Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, and then east to Serbia. In this zone it's very easy to own guns and go shooting every day. There are also lots of really great public gun ranges.

>>63921421
>manual action 22
Please forgive my ignorance, manual action means "not semi auto?"

>>63942392
>$3-400 for any model anyone actually wants to buy
I think it's safe to say the basic model they've been offering for 60 years, which is also the cheapest, is pretty freaking popular...

>>63947293
yeah, manual action means pump, lever action, (((bolt action))) and I guess arguably single shot
There might be more but those are the common ones. some people prefer manual action for .22s because they function more reliably. like my .22 lever action has never had a stoppage that wasn't user caused

>>63914068 (OP)
It's fun. I would buy it again. I don't like people who don't appreciate the wonders of shooting 22s

>>63947293
yes i either bring my bolt action or lever action for teaching newbies because its safer when they inevitabily turn around with the gun pointing sideways or at you with a smile asking for approval after they hit the target