This deal they're offering to the Philippines is almost F35 expensive isn't it? But I guess it comes with everything else and not just the F16s themselves.
If you were the Philippines would you take the deal? IIRC they basically only have shitty FA50s at the moment.

Could be useful for dropping bombs on their local insurgent groups.

>>63915592 (OP)
If i were them i would get 1 or 2 squadrons of JF-17 or SU35
then spend the rest on air defense like s300

>>63915616
>SU35
delivered in 2040
>s300
KEK

>>63915616
Wow you're a dumb fucking retard. Jesus.

...Or a thread-bumping bait genius!

Probably both.

>>63915616
Russia cannot sell to them because they are fighting their large scale war until end of 2026.
S-300 and Su-35 are also superseded by S-400 and Su-57.

>>63915592 (OP)
because the F-35 has a "fake" price, LM will milk it for 30 years according to the contract, even if you're the US.
Post-acquisition cost is way higher than other fighters.

>>63915616
sounds retarded, jf-17 is a non starter since china is adversarial and buying anything chinese comes with all the strings attached.
There's also no advantage to getting su35s over F16s and that's not even taking into account incompatibility of armament and the fact that russia probably couldn't even meet that order with how they are these days.
Also I might be wrong but I thought the flips already had american AD

>>63915592 (OP)
I had no idea we were even having a deal. Can any Americans or Euros tell what they would do and what should be their priority?

>>63915592 (OP)
Probably, I wouldn't be surprised if Block 70/72 contracts reached or even exceeded F-35A orders depending on certain conditions.
IIRC the only cost competitive alternative would be the Gripen, and I don't think the Philippines has the money for Rafales or Super Hornets. F-35s are a non-starter because the Philippines can't be trusted with them.
>>63915616
>buy JF-17s from China to fight China
Retarded idea, if China would even allow such a sale to begin with.
>Su-35
Russia couldn't even scrape enough together for themselves before the war, and SU-30 and Su-35 orders for other countries got delayed or diverted. They cannot handle another client, let alone one that isn't even politically and militarily aligned with them in any particular way.
>S-300
Nearly worthless, and has only ever shown value in the hands of users who have a high level of training, experience, education/average intelligence, competence, and a low enough level of corruption in the military to function. The Philippines has none of that.
Also, they have extensive cross training with Americans and experience and familiarity with American equipment as well as greater political, military, and economic connections to the US and West than to Russia and other eastern countries (excluding China obviously).

>>63915592 (OP)

>nearly 6 billion to kill some union workers, teachers, and students hiding in the mountains from death squads

Communism didn't collapse, it was raped to death.

>>63915592 (OP)
>$5.58B to bomb farmers, doctors, and engineers who only believe in a prosperous philippines under communism
are pilipinos loosing the fight against communists? again?

>>63915592 (OP)
The only viable option for the PAF at the moment is jumping on the KF-21 bandwagon.

>>63915592 (OP)
Philippines are getting hosed by Americans, they should just go Gripen.

Also $5.58B for only 20 F-16s, they're getting ripped.

>>63915816
>>63915838
changbros you need to deconflict with each other so you don't post the same stuff in the same way one after the other

>>63915592 (OP)
Philippines is in dire need of not just equipment, but tools to maintain them with. If the F-16 care package comes with all the stuff you need to service an air frame, that means it can be used to maintain other planes in their repository.

>>63915592 (OP)
Pricewise, the Gripen deal would be something we can afford, but the Swedes won't be able to give the same kind of logistical support for their Gripens as the Americans do for their F16s, and as you said, the cost isn't just for the planes, yeah. ILS, munitions, training, spares, and more spares. US is selling the whole package. Plus they're trying to sweeten the deal by giving away some EDA F16s and "accidentally" leaving behind more TYPHONs and NMESIS systems.

Malaysian fa18 would rape their f16 so hard

Ah yes, the venerable hangar queen f18s of malaysia. You finally got the proper funding to get one of them air-worthy?

>>63915592 (OP)
>Boyko Nikolov
why do turdies keep sourcing this faggot site?

>>63915592 (OP)
$5.5 billion for just 20? what a ripoff

>>63915592 (OP)
Any dedicated fighter aircraft is a step way beyond the fa50s capability. They're good for internal use and training pilots, but the flips sorely need a proper fighter plane.

>>63916629
https://www.dsca.mil/Press-Media/Major-Arms-Sales/Article-Display/Article/4142323/philippines-f-16-aircraft

here, fucknugget

>>63915592 (OP)
F-35 long term sustainment costs are 30-40% higher than the F-16 and likely requires higher training standards for pilots and maintainers.

>$279 million for each F16

The fuck am I missing here?

>>63917021
>The fuck am I missing
Training, munitions, spare parts, base renovation

>>63917021
>>63917023
Yea, and spare parts can include entire engines and radars so not just small components.

Filipinos can do with their money whatever they like. If they have 6B for cold war planes they'll never be able to use against the US, the only real threat, or anyone else then that's their own thing.

>>63917023
>>63917032
Right, makes sense.

Bulgaria's were $209 mil each; Slovakia $207 mil.

Tropical climate maybe adds the extra.

>>63915616
>Just buy weapons from the people you’re trying to deter with them bro

>>63917040
>Tropical climate maybe adds the extra
yes, more air conditioning especially

also that the Philippines is further away from NATO supply lines than Bulgaria and Slovakia, and has never operated frontline combat jets before, so their infrastructure needs lots more work

Bulgaria and Slovakia at least previously operated MiGs and Sukhois, so some base structures might only need minor touchups to suit F-16s
this is also why NATO air forces buying American jets for the first time will incur lower overall costs for base infrastructure; by and large they should already operate according to STANAGs

>>63915616
>JF-17
You do realize that they need weapons from the West because China keeps fucking with their islands and fishermen, right? And you want them to get weapons from their current adversary?

lmao, it unironically rains too much for the f35 there

thats it
>no refunds tho

>>63917103
>rains too much for the aircraft designed for carrier ops
meds, helmettard

>>63915616
>buy chinkslop or russianslop
>and the rest on shitty russian air defense
kek

>>63917114
>rains too much for the aircraft designed for carrier ops

yes, literally

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-f-35-and-corrosion-the-ongoing-fight/

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/The-F35-and-the-Fight-Against-Corrosion.html

>>63917213
>beneath that worn exterior, low observable (LO) characteristics remain uncompromised. This is the natural result of high-performance operations in unforgiving conditions.
>Much of what the public sees as damage, such as the discoloration on jets returning from deployment, does not represent a degraded aircraft. During shipboard deployments, jets often experience coating discoloration due to the harsh maritime environment. Contributing factors include frequent exposure to sea water, contamination from grease, oil, and other fluids, as well as close proximity to jet blast and rotor wash.
>While it may look severe, these marks do not indicate a loss of coating integrity nor stealth performance. The discoloration is limited to the coating and does not affect the structure of the aircraft.
I accept your concession

At that price they should just go Gripen or KF-21, Saab will probably give them 50 E/F for that price alone or 40 aircraft plus 2-3 Saab 340s

America has no excuse for price gouging their ally, alot of countries in the region operates F-16s (Indonesia, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand)

Those countries didn't pay $6B for a measly 20 aircraft plus munitions/parts

>>63915592 (OP)
>April 1st

>>63917213
hi helmettard
being a brownoids schizo must be suffering but you should stop trying to project your condition onto inanimate objects.

>>63915592 (OP)
>Boyko Nikolov

>>63916881
>sixteen (16) F-16 C Block 70/72 aircraft; four (4) F-16 D Block 70/72 aircraft; twenty-four (24) F110-GE-129D or F100-PW-229 Engines (20 installed, 4 spares); twenty-two (22) Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDG) (20 installed, 2 spares); twenty-two (22) AN/APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Scalable Agile Beam Radars (SABR) (20 installed, 2 spares); twenty-two (22) Modular Mission Computers 7000AH (or available mission computer) (20 installed, 2 spares); twenty-two (22) Embedded Global Positioning System (GPS) Inertial Navigation Systems (INS) (EGI) with Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM) or M-Code capability and Precise Positioning Service (PPS) (20 installed, 2 spares); eighty-eight (88) LAU-129 guided missile launchers; twenty-two (22) M61A1 anti-aircraft guns (20 installed, 2 spares); twelve (12) AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP); twenty-four (24) Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS-JTRS); one hundred twelve (112) Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs) Air Intercept Missile (AIM)-120C-8 or equivalent missiles; four (4) AMRAAM guidance sections; thirty-six (36) Guided Bomb Unit (GBU)-39/B Small Diameter Bombs Increment 1 (SDB-1); two (2) GBU-39(T-1)/B SDB-1 Guided Test Vehicles; forty (40) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder missiles; thirty-two (32) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs); four (4) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder guidance units; three (3) AIM-9X Block II Captive Air Training Missile (CATM) guidance units; sixty (60) MK-82 500-lb general purpose bombs; sixty (60) MK-84 2,000-lb general purpose bombs; thirty (30) Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) KMU-572 tail kits for GBU-38 or Laser JDAM GBU-54; sixty (60) FMU-152 fuze systems; thirty (30) MAU-210 enhanced computer control groups (ECCG) for GBU-50 Enhanced Paveway II (EP II); and thirty-two (32) MXU-651 air foil groups (AFG) for GBU-50 EP II.

>>63917465
https://theaviationist.com/2025/02/19/f-35c-mirror-like-coating-damaged-tiles/

>Notably, the tiles of the coating appear to be heavily degraded or corroded. According to the photographer, the pilot said the coating “were to help with the salty air on the skin, but the tiles kept peeling off in flight.”

https://www.twz.com/44067/the-f-35cs-radar-absorbent-skin-is-looking-pretty-rough-after-months-at-sea
>"there’s no doubt the F-35Cs are looking a little rough after around six months at sea, the cause of the brown stains"
>"the brown stains"
>"brown stains"
lmao, the one in the cockpit....or the color of the jet!????????
which is it?

>>63917534
The following non-MDE items will also be included: AN/ALQ-254 Viper Shield (VS) electronic warfare (EW) or equivalent systems; AMRAAM CATMs; AIM-9X Sidewinder training missiles and active optical target detectors (AOTD); Infrared Search and Track (IRST) systems; Air Combat Maneuvering Instrument (ACMI) range systems; FMU-139 Joint Programmable Fuzes (JPFs); missile containers; AN/ARC-238 radios; AN/APX-127 or equivalent Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Combined Interrogator Transponders (CIT) with Mode 5; KY-58 and KIV-78 cryptographic devices; AN/PYQ-10 Simple Key Loaders (SKLs);

>>63917534
>>63917540
Scorpion Hybrid Optical-based Inertial Trackers (HObIT) or Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems II (JHMCS II) helmet mounted displays; night vision devices (NVDs); spare image intensifier tubes; AN/ALE-47 Airborne Countermeasures Dispenser Systems (CMDS); AN/ALE-47 countermeasure processors; AN/ALE-47 sequencer switching units; AN/ALE-47 Control Display Units (CDUs); precision navigation; Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS); GPS Antenna System (GAS-1) antenna electronics; Sniper pod pylons; ADU-890 and ADU-891 adapter units, LAU-117 and LAU-88 Maverick launchers, impulse cartridges, chaff, flares, ammunition, and other bomb components; BRU-57 bomb racks; BRU-61 munitions carriage assemblies; MAU-12 bomb racks and TER-9A triple ejection racks; Common Munitions Built-in-Test (BIT) Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE); Rackmount Improved Avionics Intermediate Shop (RIAIS); Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD); targeting systems; aircraft refurbishment after maintenance training; spare and repair parts, consumables and accessories; repair and return support; aircraft, engine, ground, and pilot life support equipment; classified and unclassified computer program identification number (CPIN) systems; pylons, launcher adapters, weapon interfaces, and bomb and ejection racks; fuel tanks; Precision Measurement Equipment Laboratory (PMEL) and calibration support; National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) maps and mapping data; ferry and fuel support; classified and unclassified software and software support; classified and unclassified publications, manuals, and technical documentation; facilities and construction support; simulators and training devices; personnel training and training equipment; studies and surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $5.58 billion.

>>63917538
>helmettard formatted schizopost
i literally haven't read a single letter of this post, and i know it's a helmettard reply, i can look at the corner of my screen and identify it in my peripheral vision, that's how meticulously neurotic and detectable you are helmettard.
legitimately, get help.

>>63917358
>America has no excuse for price gouging their ally,
NOT
*clap*
OUR
*clap*
ALLY
*clap*

when do you cargo cult retards finally understand this
>"Allies"
by definition 'bring something to the table' the other party does not have

the word your looking for is "auxilliary" or "vassal", which FAR more accurately defines the relationship (insert 3rd world nation) has with the US

>>63917538
>>63917554
you're on another manic episode helmettard *snap snap* calm down, you're going to come down from your high and regret it later, just take your lithium now and then keep taking your meds as scheduled later.
also get your parents to put a parental lock on your computer because too much internet is clearly very unhealthy for you.

>>63916881
>>63917534
>>63917540
>>63917544
They bought so much extra shit, it took three posts to complete the list. Why do turdies always divide the contract price by the number of airframes, while "forgetting" to include the multitude of other shit included in these contracts? Is it because they're disingenous rats, or just extremely low IQ? I guarantee you're the same no chin, four-eyed mentally ill freak that got kicked out of the US Army for being a mentally ill freak, because you ALWAYS do this and get corrected every time, but continue to do it because you're a seething mentally ill failure pissed the US Army kicked your sorry ass to the curb.

>>63917575
>>63917538
Cope, you ugly ass mentally ill failure at life. You will always be a mentally ill failure living your life on the internet, seething 24/7.

>>63916528
>>63916547
And who is in charge of Malaysia these days?

>>63917538
>Much of what the public sees as damage, such as the discoloration on jets returning from deployment, does not represent a degraded aircraft.

>>63917575
>>63917586
lmao
>the nafo bot is having a literal scizophrenic break arguing with itself about imaginary rent-free nametards

>>63917534
>>63917540
>>63917544
you forgot
>(16 installed) F-16 block C 70/72 aircraft "kill switches" (presented by Donald Trump™)
>(16 installed) missile launch prevention software + associated 'missile deny' follow on software updates (all munitions)

*slaps the roof*
and that Viper™ is California compliant too!

for those interested, helmettard is a local board schizo, he has very particular mannerisms that make him easy to spot.
he was also once diagnosed in a thread by a RANZCP consulting psychiatrist: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62651493/
very likely a walled off person suffering from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder who doesn't take medication and screeches on /k/ during his manic episodes.
hadn't seen him much recently, most of his angry replies haven't devolved into fullblown melties in a while (maybe i just haven't been there to see them) so it feels to me like he's slipping backwards after a period of improval.

>>63917686
you DO realize helmettchad was *posted* before,
and >>63917575
is NOT him

right?

you might want to update your "jacket" on him

>>63918164
>helmettchad
No one would ever call you that

>>63918189
>helmettchad
>No one would ever call you that

https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/helmettchad/

>>63918206
Exactly. You're the only one who'd call himself that. Thanks for confirming it by the way.

>>63917686
Lmao, youre literally
>pic related
down to the very last detail, pottery

>>63917021
flips have like zero infrastructure or trained personnel for operating any sort of modern fast mover

>>63918164
helmettard, there are multiple people talking to you, take your lithium.
>>63918206
>b-but i call myself that
take your lithium
>>63918342
i have never once reported any of your posts, you're so schizophrenic it's literally never needed, and also you're great entertainment, i'm here to help you with your condition, i press on your painpoints until your manic state recedes and you slink away in dissapointment and embarrassment.
hopefully this cycle of pain will eventually teach you that taking your medication and keeping an emotional equilibrium is healthier. you might even become stable enough to persue real life goals like getting your first job, or maybe even a friend.

>>63918359
I mean sure we can just ignore the fact they've been operating the fa50 almost 10 years now.

>>63915592 (OP)
US started ripping its customers off in the last few years, F-16 upgrade package for Poland costs almost as much as brand new airplanes in the target configuration

>>63919097
>F-16 upgrade package for Poland costs almost as much as brand new airplanes in the target configuration
Consider it,
euro-scum vassal

>>63919097
Many such cases, that's why Turkey cancelled most of their acquisitions (the upgrades). American companies know that waiting time for new airframes is nearly 10 years.

Even with the recent memes the Rafale is still a better deal and will have zero killswitches.

Will still lose to the PL-15 but at least it's not American.

>>63915592 (OP)
Is this like several engine replacements and a bunch of weapons included or what?
Because comparing the whole package to the F-35 airframe cost is pretty dumb.

>>63916296
Gripens are made by swedish elves in a workshop in Helsinki at a rate of 1 per year.

>>63919363
>will still lose to the PL-15
no proof of that whatsoever.
>but at least it's not american
ah, so you're a chinkshill, makes sense.

>>63919377
See>>63916881
>>63917534
>>63917540
>>63917544

>>63919363
I really don't get how you bricsbrowns think the pl15 is a wunderwaffe

>>63915616
>Sukhoi vaporware
>2025
444-COME-ON-NOW

>>63915592 (OP)
It's probably cheaper to maintain per flight hour than the F-35.

What even are the Philippine Airforce's missions and requirements?
I think Broncos and Super Tucanos are already just fine for bombing the fuck out of commies and muzzies but I guess they also want any jets at all to stand up to flankers

>>63919531
if we give you an amazon gifcard (un-redeemed) will you stfu and leave?

>>63919603
no seriously, it feels eerily similar to all the shilling you fags did about the oreshnik
like what even is the basis for it all?

>>63919591
Deter the chinks.

>>63919591
They need to shoot down a few PLAAF aircraft

Why do schizos feel the need to gravitate to this board

Even if they had F-35s their leadership are spineless cowards who will refuse to retaliate as seen as how Chinks mog them at sea. They're not Ukrainians who will swing and try their best to fuck you up.

A F-16 wouldn't change anything, they're literally a failed state considering how cheap it is and how bajillions of countries have bought and operated it over the years.

Also Taiwan got sold 80+ Vipers at around $8-9 billion, America gouging a literal ally.

>>63919693
>Also Taiwan got sold 80+ Vipers at around $8-9 billion, America gouging a literal ally.
You're fucking retarded

Taiwan already operates F-16s and already have a ton of the infrastructure for training, maintenance, munitions, etc.

>>63919693
>eradicated ISIS spreading to SEA
>spineless
Hmmmm...

>>63915592 (OP)
The article is written by a journalist that doesn't know what they're talking about. You never just sell aircraft. The sale comes with a lot of other things attached to it. Weapons, maintenance parts, training programs, future support options, access to technology etc etc. All of that will have a huge affect on the price of the deal. It makes comparing prices between different customers very difficult because you don't know what the terms of sale are and what's included. This deal could include 2 decades of sustainment support from Lockheed and involve them sending maintenance SMEs to live there to support efforts. It could also include a deal to send Philippine pilots to the US to be trained in the USAF pipeline. Both are those are very nice but very expensive additions above just buying some jets.

>>63919693
>They're not Ukrainians
Yeah, if they were, they'd wait to get new aircraft until a war starts.

they weren't sold f-16s and f-15s because when those debuted they were in an oppressive dictatorship but pro-usa so they were left alone but were never sold serious stuff even during that time where they could have afforded them
post-dictatorship their politicians are allergic to giving their military good gear out of fear of a military junta uprooting them so they only gave them the bare minimum to kill muslim insurgents and communist rebels hiding in the jungles and mountains
they ignored their claims in the south china sea and refused to shore up their claims for like 30 years
then they got spooked around 2010 by a resurgent china who refused to back down, let's be real america won't die for them and washington gave them wishywashy deeb gomcern verbal support
they wanted to copy the rok's chairforce model with kt-1 woongbis, t-50s and f-16s, they only bought one platform
they started with 12 fa-50s and never did anything for 10 years until lately with 12 more block 20s, they originally wanted 40-50 of those
their chairforce wanted the gripen because it was cheap and can run on dingy runways but duterte's brutal drug war permanently damaged their international reputation so sweden bailed
since the new marcos is in town the guy hasn't bought anything major outside of those 12 block 20 fa-50s and only because one crashed last year
their defense secretary went to the pentagon and us senate and proclaimed that their country needs 80-100 multirole fighter jets then when he got slapped with a price tag he turned tail and returned home empty handed
the united states is fully aware how their former colony works all bark and no wallet, no gibs for them dey gotta pay up even with discounts
now the second marcos is a poltiical lameduck with weakening political support as his term is halfway, pinoys being dumbshits will then vote in duterte's daughter who is blatantly pro-china

>>63919619
>the oreshnik
unimaginably based^

>>63919693
>only country in SEA that doesnt kowtow to china
>spineless

>>63920476
>doesnt kowtow to china
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Meanwhile the Flip Navy and Coast Guard are getting hosed daily by the Chinese Coast Guard and militia ships without ever fighting back. At least the Taiwanese and Vietnamese would retaliate with their own water cannons and would actively ram Chinese ships.

Gonna do the Malaysian move..Firstly announced and buying Russian Sukhoi and showing the sign the move from American sphere towards Russian. American military industrial complex will be scared shitless and lobbying the Congress to be allowed to sell some American fighters (Choices are F/A-18D or F variant) with cheaper price to attract the government back to American/NATO sphere of influence.

To be clear, Malaysia did this not because he is a genius but rather out of spite when the US Congress blocked Malaysia's request to buy the Hornet, & bought the Mig29 instead. Contrary to what people say, Malaysia bought russian and american aircraft out of necessity, not simply because of shit and giggles. For years malaysia had been denied access to more modern aircraft because the US is playing favorites with singapore, philippines and thailand. At one point they just said "fuck this" and went to the russian instead. America putting both Indonesia and Pakistan under military sanction really spooked Malaysian decisionmaker hence why they're willing to buy russian made equipment which is generally cheaper and russia is willing to accept almost anything as payment.

>Malaysia wanted more F/A-18
>Malaysia looking for second hand USN/USMC F/A-18
>Uncle Sam said no. Instead offered up F/A-18F
>Malaysia tempted to buy F/A-18F but didn't want to surrender their existing F/A-18D as part of buyback option
>Deal went dead
>Suddenly US came back and "hinted" that they may export F-35 for Malaysia if they could permanently stationed their F-15/F-16 in Malaysia because reasons.
>Malaysia said "take that F-35 of yours and shove it up your ass" subtly

Til now American suffering loses because Malaysian opened the market gate for Russian and European arms sales on SE Asia and destroying the American arms sales monopoly.

>>63919693
Buddy, do you know that Malaysia at some point bought war planes from the US to find out they're missing steering controls? Why would anybody trust the US? The US just wants our money, good military equipment and hardware are only for the zionist entity to murder Palestinians.

>>63915816
Should have worked harder lmao

>>63916528
>>63916547
>>63920610
Eventhough the US bribing Malaysia not to join BRICS with sale of F-35, it wont be easy for them if the US Congress keep trying to meddle in and trying to approve it only with terms. Although both countries are friends, Malaysia is not that close with US, unlike Singapore , which the US gave much favour too. Also, Putrajaya (Malaysia) did not recognized Israel and dont have any Diplomatic relationship with Tel Aviv. Unlike Singapore which is the strongest supporters of Israel's war against the Palestinian people. So, you can do the math why Malaysian prefer to get 2nd hand F-18 from Kuwait as a temporary "stop-gap measure" only, as a temporary filling in the procurement of fifth or sixth generation fighter jets that will begin in the 14th Malaysia Plan (RM14 & RM15) 2030-2040. of course, it's dangerous if the weaponry leans more towards the west, especially America, the strangest policy is, the fighter jets have been purchased but their use requires permission from them. For F-18 Malaysia, the Malaysian technician was not given the source code for the settings when there was a mission, they had to report to America first. And again, Turkiye, just because they bought defense equipment from Russia was kicked out of the F-35 program, remember that before Indonesia was embargoed, the Air Force was paralyzed.

For the new MRCA procurement plan, Malaysia may get SU-57 fighter jets from Russia and KF-21 from South Korea or even KAAN from Turkey because they have already offered it to Malaysia. Russia has already offered the SU57 package along with the S400 to Malaysia. The US gives too many conditions and no freedom to repair or upgrade the aircraft made in the United States. Most recently, Malaysia has held discussions with the Russian authorities to obtain the Mig-35 as well as the 5th generation Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft because Russia guarantees technology exchange and aircraft upgrades in the future.

An internal source to the famous Malaysian defense website, Malaysia Defense stated that there are discussions at the Malaysian Ministry of Defense level to accelerate the RMAF MRCA Multi-Role Combat Aircraft Program from the original in 2035 to 2040 to in the 13th Malaysia Plan RMK-13 from 2026-2030. This is so that Malaysia has a replacement for fighter jets after the Sukhoi SU-30 MKM and F-18 Hornet will be retired starting from 2035 to 2040. If the purchase process starts in RMK-13 then Malaysia will get the fighter jets no later than 2031-2035 or the 14th Malaysia Plan RMK-14

The RMAF MRCA program has actually been delayed for a long time with Malaysia wanting to buy new twin-engine fighter aircraft, namely the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Super Hornet. After being delayed. The RMAF changed this program to purchase Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft to ensure Malaysia's air combat formation continues to move forward. 18 aircraft will be purchased in the MRCA Program with candidates focused on the US-made F-35, Russian-made Sukhoi SU-57, South Korean-made KF-21 Boramae, Chinese-made Shenyang J-35 and Turkish-made KAAN

>>63920592
I agree. The US should keep a CSG in the South West Taiwan Sea. Stop being a bitch, George Washington, and get in there.

>>63915592 (OP)
What's the point? Who are f-16s going to let them fight that whatever they have now wouldn't?
They aren't taking on the US or China with twenty jets. You might as well buy a tablespoon of gas for you car.

>>63920668
>don't invest in military/self-defense
>just surrender lmao

>>63920668
>They aren't taking on the US or China with twenty jets.
The idea isn't that they can win a war against China. The idea is that they can put up a deterrence against China. And if push comes to shove, they have something that can be in the air long enough for the USN which is around the corner to show up and demilitarize the region entirely (except for the flips)

>>63920668
Most nations don't have the materiel necessary to defend against the US or China, does that mean all those nations should just drop their procurement programs?

>>63919690
you should instead ask yourself why lonely schizo's gravitate towards imageboards in general.
>>63919927
>helmetschizo calling anything based
helmettard, take your meds.

>>63920630
SpaceX will reach Mars (followed by Marines with M4's, btw) before Magaysia sees any of those jets.

>>63915616
iran already dumped your worthless zigger ass and is not buying chang copies of f-16s. they were standing in line for years to get your underperforming wunderwaffel only to be abandoned at the critical hour kek

Deal was just announced and it’s already causing asspain kek

>>63915592 (OP)
>If you were the Philippines would you take the deal?
Isn't it all but confirmed that they're going with the gripen anyway? They would be retarded to take a deal this expensive when there are other options at the table.

>>63920638
All CSGs are in Israel
Israel First

>>63921804
No

>>63921780
Saab is offering them better financing, significantly more aircraft (I think 40+ based on Saab themselves) and a couple of 340s

Although I'm pretty sure they're only for training, planes and spares with no munitions; they still have to pay America for those

If they bought the Gripen and orange man got wind of it he might withhold selling munitions unless they void the deal

>>63921832
You're aware SAAB is a Swedish company, and they sell their own missiles, right? The US has no say in whatever the fuck they do with their shit.

>>63921832
>"with no munitions; they still have to pay America for those. If they bought the Gripen and orange man got wind of it he might withhold selling munitions unless they void the deal"

>everything it uses is made by Germs, Frogs, Nords, or the Swedes themselves
okay

>>63925023
>>63925173
The US govt has got SAAB by the balls since Gripen uses American engines and components.

>>63915642
>SU-57
>Existing
LOL

The Gripen, is vastly inferior to everything but the earliest blocks of the F-16

>>63925200
>crusty old image
okay
>The US govt has got SAAB by the balls
the only people the US govt has by the balls are the American people. have you not been paying attention the last 6 months?

>>63925255
>significantly lacking more parts than >>63925200
>individual countries blurred as EU flags
>still cucked by US engines
Wew

>>63925255
the engine is the most important part

just buy gripens from brazil
no killswitches
no us globohomo
a truly independent fighter jet

>>63915623
>>63915616
>SU35
Iran is still waiting, they pretty much gave up on Russia and went to Chyna

Welp, America lost.

>48 Gripen E/F, 8 Gripen C/D
>3 GlobalEye AEW&C

>>63926619
Who talks like this?

>>63926646
ESL retards

>>63926619
Well, you got me to check the Saab account, just in case.
Was mildly interesting & long overdue to look.
But you lied.

I saw the Thais are indeed getting in on the Greepenn tho.
4 June 2025 update.

And France is getting GlobalEye.

>>63926619
doubt it
they need to spend big bucks for that without the free gibs from trump. free gibs is only free if spent on american jets

America needs to stop ripping off its closest allies like the Philippines. The next flip president might want to have a closer relationship with China, and this could affect US interests in the region

>>63926761
Fuck off Chinkshill. You had your chance with the last president and you fucked it up with your stupid Wolf Warrior policy.

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1251841
Chinks are not going to like this.

>>63925200
I feel like this picture gets posted everytime the gripen is discussed like some sort of "gotcha". But has this ever actually stopped saab from selling gripens (not like they've selled a lot anyway) or getting reserve parts. There was a rumor about the US using their veto on colombia but that turned out to be a fat lie. Feels kinda like a huge nothinburger made to rile up discussion but has no actual significant for countries using the planes.

>>63928668
argentina

>>63929545
Yeah and that one is pretty fair to be honest. There's a difference between the US vetoing a sale of gripens to colombia because they might buy f-16 instead (total retardation), and the UK vetoing because of national security concerns for the falklands. I wouldn't blink if the US vetoed the sale of gripens to Iran either.

>>63915816
Good

>>63926791
those 20 F-16s are way overpriced, you dumb nigger. $279m for each instead of the usual $150-200m is a complete rip-off

>>63930276
Again, you can look at all of the EXTRA shit they're buying beyond the airframes that explains the price.

>>63916881

>>63919384
It will take decades for the Filipinos to get all the cash for those planes, so it works out.

>>63915616
Chinese wumao shill

>>63915838
Nice try chang

>>63926761
>Duterteposting in 2025

>>63931779
His shills have been working overtime ever since the interpol caught his ass and booted him to the ICC.

>>63931779
Pinoys are too low IQ and are into the same cult politics as their daddy America so they'll vote Duterte's even more shittier daughter to the presidency in 2028

>>63931798
>the current administration handed him over to Interpol after their alliance of convenience predictably fell apart, and only after months of vacillation*
I mean, I'm all for another country siding with the US over the chinks, but let's not pretend that Marcos 2: Electric Boogaloo isn't only marginally less of a slimeball than Duturdie.

>>63926761
Duterte sold you to china.

Face it you idiot

>>63931876
With how shittily Duterte handled his whole presidency, what with the kowtowing to China, trying to cut ties with long-term allies, deliberately satlling the military modernization projects, diverting funds for his troll army, and COVID handling. Marcos jr. looks like a fucking genius just undoing most of Dut's bullshit.

>>63931876
Marcos Jr's may be a bit of a lame duck overall, but compared to Duterte's shitshow of a presidency along with his daughter fucking things up before fleeing to Australia. He's a fucking saint and at least his administration, as compromised as it i crap, is doing something to combat the Chink infiltration.

>>63931994
>>63931916
>>63931889
>>63931876
pinoys dont really care about china, it's a bottom feeder issue that only a handful care about
they're too poor to bother with geopolitics and too powerless and hungry to care about islets they can't even properly secure themselves
the china row has been going on since 2010 and even the staunchest anti-china poltician hasn't won by any margin, if at all
duterte supporters from visayas and mindanao even less so, they're like migatards who'll only care what iccman or her daughter says and claims

>>63931994
Marcos Jr. isn't a lameduck, he's just plain useless and only wanted the presidency to exonerate his family.

Dude doesn't care about the job of being a head of state, he's only in it for the perks and not rocking the ship too much.

>>63916189
so that they can have something that is less performing than a F-16, that can't do anything the F-35 can while also costing more than a F-35?

>>63916296
>Also $5.58B for only 20 F-16s, they're getting ripped.
it's a complete package including munitions, maintenance and support iirc

>>63920592
>At least the Taiwanese and Vietnamese would retaliate with their own water cannons and would actively ram Chinese ships.
the flips have an MDF with the US so they don't want to be the ones to start anything where the US can just bail out and say that they started the mess.

>>63933967
It's not so much as they don't want to, but they can't retaliate with their own water cannons because their smaller boats don't have powerful enough water cannons or simply don't have them at all. They only have like three ships, as pictured here, that can match the water cannons of the CCG. The chinese only ever specfically target their smaller vessels for water cannoning and when the bigger ships come loitering around the chinks only ever end up just shadowing them around or have their bigger ships blast them with water.

Why not just buy F-35s if you're gonna pay that absurd amount for outdated F-16s? The F-16 was designed in the 1970s ffs

>>63936082
because they'd STILL need all the extra shit they're buying for the F-16V, likely taking the final cost up to ~$300-350M per airframe.

Beyond that, long term sustainment costs for the F-35 are 30-40% higher than the F-16, so over the expected useful life the F-16 fleet will have saved a SIGNIFICANT amount of money, money that you can spend on other shit, or set aside for whatever you want to replace the F-16s with in 15-30 years.

>>63936095
$350M per airframe means that 12 F-35s will still be much cheaper than 20 F-16Vs.

>12 F-35 >>> 20 F-16V

>>63936188
Buying 12 planes is a lot nore cheaper than buying 20 planes. Who'da thunk it.

>>63936219
Would you rather have 20 F-16V than 12 fifth-gen F-35 when you're at war with China or Russia?

>>63936235
In the Philippines case the 20 F16s since not only is it cheaper to maintain, there's also 8 extra functioning planes for a wider coverage. China isn't going to be scrambling their J20s or J35s in the South China Sea, the flips don't need to worry about being stealthy with their planes since one of their primamry goals is to establish their presence in the area.

>>63936246
>Their primary goal is to establish their presence in the area

they can "establish their presence" in an area with fucking FA-50s. I'm talking about a wartime scenario

>>63936268
The FA50s range isn't that long compared to the F16. They'd need to turn back to refuel before reaching their destination.

>>63936082
implying the US would sell F-35 to the Philippines

>>63933967
A MDT with America is meaningless, even moreso today

It literally is a piece of paper

>>63936280
Most air forces in the world are retiring their F-16s. It's really dumb to suggest buying 20 obsolete F-16s instead of a dozen future-proof F-35s. The F-35 also has an impressive 20:1 K/D ratio against 4th gen aircraft like the F-16

>>63936367
F-35s have never been sold to a throughtout corrupt third world shithole, that's probably the reason. Corruptible people might not be reliable with guarding secretive stuff.

>>63936367
I'm sure the flips will be asking uncle Sam for some F35s when they go up against somebody else using F35s, but for now they're well aware F16s are enough to go up against J10s and J15s.

Hot damn considering how shilled this thread got the Philippines can buy F-16 and we will never have to fight for all the ass blast it would produce.

>>63936356
If shekels weren't an issue, why the fuck not?

>>63936360
one way to find out chang

>>63938039
If America left Ukraine and Yurop to dust, what more a turd world shithole like the Philippines

>>63938064
>Ukraine
no mdt
>Yurop
who directly attacked europe/NATO and when?

>>63937010
see >>63936540
philippines will get gripen e now, kf-21 block 2 later. will have to find another platform to dump money in to please trump, maybe aerial tanker or ships

>>63932261
>so that they can have something that is less performing than a F-16, that can't do anything the F-35 can while also costing more than a F-35?
Name what it's lacking to F-16.

>>63935651
retaliation only creates escalation; the only winner of escalation is the one with the bigger army, and that's China, which is why nobody dares retaliate

I don't know how it is that /k/tards survived high school not knowing this basic fact of life. some of you clearly did not get bitchslapped enough as a kid

>>63932261
>while also costing more than a F-35?
This is where you're wrong.

The F-16V and F-35A are roughly the same price, the reason their F-16V contract is so expensive is because they need to purchase a TON of infrastructure to support the F-16V, which they would ALSO need to buy if they were buying F-35As, which would bring the cost of the F-35As up to roughly the same (or even more than) as the F-16V order they've placed.

Going beyond the current immediate upfront costs, the F-35A has a longer training pipeline and more expensive maintenance procedures and replacement parts meaning the long term costs of ownership are 40-50% higher than the F-16Vs long term cost of ownership.

Tldr; you're retarded.

>>63938242
>buy 2 different 4th gen aircraft that does the same thing
Truly a thirdie mindset, I'll never get it.

If the Philippines weren't poor they'd be approved and sold F-35s, they're an ally unlike the other wishywashy non-aligned fucks being dangled with the F-35.

>>63915616
>s-300/400 ever not being complete shit

lol, lmao even

>>63938817
>they're an ally
they're just fresh off the "every American serviceperson must GTFO of my country toot sweet; Beijing did you hear that please treat me nicely" presidency

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/12/duterte-wants-us-troops-out-southern-philippines/90261684/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/11/duterte-ends-philippines-troop-pact-with-the-u-s/

>unlike the other wishywashy non-aligned fucks
while I agree somewhat on this, the fact is that as wishywashy as the other non-aligned fucks are, they still did not go as far as the Philippines did, so objectively, the Philippines IS less reliable than the other wishywashy non-aligned fucks, such as it is

america isn't selling them f-35s because their last real fighter jet were f-5as that were retired in the 2000s

you don't sell multimillion sports cars to new drivers even if they're arab princelings or rapper/pro-ball son niglets, even spoiled gulf states started with mig-21s, mirages, tornados and f-16s

once they get a good grip of the viper and saved some shekels they'd be sold the f-35 as well

it is their own government's fault that they were without a real modern fighter jet since the 80s

>>63938832
Duterte hasn't been president for years now and is rotting in the ICC.

>>63938832
duterte is their orange man

america will experience the same thing with europe and canada once orange man steps down again

you can have the most affable democrat president who'll try their best to unfuck everything but the damage has been done and it's permanent

>>63938811
>buy aircraft that exists now so you can have something sooner
>buy aircraft that is currently under development later so you can own a newer platform
yes, better to just iterate on the same 50+ year old platform like USA and Russia
not to mention guarding against the possiblity of the swedes getting cold feet if a new president gets elected that they don't like

>>63938809
the retarded one here is you considering I was talking about the KF-21

>>63938582
payload, range, capable radar, performance, turn rate, weapon implementations etc

>>63938802
>if you stand up against your bully, they win
Canadian?

>>63940647
when I was 14 I was attacked by the school bully
when I was 16, stronger, faster, and with a couple of fights under my belt, I happened to face off again with the same fella and stared him down; he simply walked away

so no, I know exactly what I'm talking about

>>63940674
Except in this case the Philippines will never get stronger and China can just bankroll politicians favourable towards them.

Even if they reach 2nd world status and have a decent military they'd still be buckbroken by China.

>>63919693
>Flips
>Spineless
Nigga you are actually retarded. Flips are legitimately the most based Asians.
>Emerging economy
>Fucked off the Muslims
>Fucking off the chinks
>Bringing in American troops
>Notorious jungle fighters
>Have children by the dozen
They’ve been invaded so many times they might actually become the Israelis of SEA and start fucking up anyone who looks at them funny minus the Jewish treachery.

>>63931855
You really think a country full of Catholics are going to elect a dyke? Are you that retarded?

>>63931996
>Pinoys don’t care about China
My wife is Filipina and every time we have a family get together all the guys do is watch WW2 movies, eat from tv dinner trays, drink, and talk mad shit on China and Duterte. It’s actually pretty cozy like going over to grandpas house when I was a kid.

>>63937010
There are legitimate chink plants in the flip government. China keeps dumping a bunch of cash into scams, extortion, and drugs and buying crooked politicians. It’s why the flips are so fucking pissed at them even beyond them trying to buy an island from Duterte he had no legal claim to sell.

>>63940787
>Flips are legitimately the most poor and retarded Asians
Ftfy

>>63940684
>Except in this case the Philippines will never get stronger
Correct
Hence my original post
Besides which I wasn't just talking about the Philippines, the same applies to every other nation in the SEA
They all have no hope in hell of winning the escalation game so they're not going to try

>>63940787
>They’ve been invaded so many times they might actually become the Israelis of SEA
The Israelis are genociding Palestinians, meanwhile the Pinoys effectively surrendered territory to their own Muslims just so they'll stop chimping out.

They're spineless because no other self-respecting nation would allow their coastguard and navy to be humiliated without retaliation.

While Chyna wants the Philippines to escalate, they won't do shit and will just complain if the Philippines starts ramming their ships and starts blasting them with water cannons - you a thing that the Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese coastguard and navies do.

Indonesia even tows them and blows them at sea the next day.

>>63940867
>Most poor and retarded
>Indos exist
>Malays exist
>Burmese exist
>Thais exist
>Papua New Guinea exists
>Indians exist
>Bangladeshis exist
>All of Oceania exists
Solomoniggers are the lowest form of life on earth but Guineas and Indocucks are only a cunt hair better.

>>63940822
They already elected her as VP, 35+ million of them in fact.

She's so penciled in to win it years from now even sitting Philippine politicians are so afraid of crossing her.

Buying the F-16 Viper is retarded considering America, the long queue and backlogs

They're not to be trusted, if they can't afford the Rafale then the Gripen is their only real choice

The KF-21 is unproven and Indons already stole designs and data for their own fighter program, literally pozzed before it even flew

Brazil and Saab are finding ways to uncuck themselves from the GE104, once they do it'll become the ultimate thirdie jet with no US killswitches or input involved

>>63940931
>Thais
They're probably the best among SEA, on top of not being officially colonized.

>>63940924
>Surrendered territory
They slaughtered MILF you coping faggot.
>Spineless
Their fucking fishing boats chase off the chinks what are you talking about?
>China wants the flips to escalate
No they don’t because then America gets involved and they get bitch slapped
>You a thing
Chinks cannot into English
>Gooks
Commies
>Japanese
Much more advanced but also much more passive
>Koreans
Mandatory conscription, much more advanced, and much more passive. The japs and ROK have taken a pretty European approach militarily of basically planning to back up the U.S. in their specific theater of Asian operations.
>Indos
Absolute cuck state

>>63940933
She paid Muslims for votes and with daddy going to prison she’s going to be running away to some chink hidey hole soon.
>Theyre afraid of her
Is that why they chased her out of the last budgetary conference calling out her and her daddy’s corruption? She’s a perpetual minority party placement. As soon as anyone other than Bong Bong emerges as a political power she’s going to prison or China. Simple as anon.