Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General /frtssg/

General to discuss fully semi-automatic devices, such as the forced reset trigger (FRT) and super safety (SS).

News:
>ATF/DoJ settled with RBT
>cuck states suing to get the federal ban reinstated
>RBT suing Deez Nutz for selling Hoffman safeties
>Atrius Super Selektors shipping now with ambis coming soon

Is it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return

Distributors:
https://www.activesafetydesigns.com
https://atrius.dev
https://deeznutztactical.com
https://www.deltateamtactical.com
https://www.fittyactual.com
https://greymarketresearch.net
https://hoffmantactical.com
https://rarebreedtriggers.com
https://redactedarmsllc.com
https://www.tacswap.com

You've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?
>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)
>cheaper than an FRT
>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit
>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)
>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety
>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automic
>Atrius now shipping the only super safety that operates like a normal AR safety selector

How it works:
https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo [Embed]

To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:
>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group
>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)
>"low shelf" lower receiver
>SS
>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cut

Last thread: >>63828264

Everytime i see the thread title I read it as "fart sausage".

think were gonna get any 4th of july sales or nuh

>>63918378 (OP)
Atrius exit scam edition

>>63918534
I didn't buy anything from them so I have no dog in the fight but people have been reporting receiving their stuff. That doesn't sound like a scam, that sounds like slow fulfillment.

Checkout these MP5 pictogram lowers I found.

https://l2prints.com/leber-v2-housing

>>63918428
Mmmm, yummy! (:

>>63918534
After complaining on some YouTuber channels, they finally got back to me via email!
>should ship in the next 2-3 weeks
My order number is in the upper 3,000s.

>>63918581
>Checkout these MP5 pictogram lowers I found.

Why would you ruin a nice MP5 with one of those trash printed housings?

>>63918580
Yeah I'm just giving them a hard time because I'm anxious. But also I feel like they should have closed orders earlier if they are having this much trouble filling them.

>>63918596
Sounds like growing pains for a small business to me, got a bit overextended and they've stopped new orders while they unbury. I wouldn't be worried, just need some patience. There have been plenty of things I've had to wait over a month to receive. Hell, I was buying NFA items when wait times were over a year so 4 weeks sounds like nothing my brother in Christ.

>>63918592
Because the stock MP5 lowers aren't compatible with a super safety.

>>63918630
So buy a Lee Sporting housing, not one of those ugly garbo 3D prints. Or print it yourself, it will probably look better than that horseshit.

>>63918640
You seem upset that there are options for super-safety compatible MP5 lowers. How odd.

>>63918661
You're going to lead some uninformed guy astray into making his nice MP5 look like complete ass. How odd.

>>63918676
>oh nooooo that $800 Turkish MP5 has a lower that looks almost the same as a normal lower ahhhhhhhhh

>>63918605
My real concern is what will happen to the pending orders if they end up in a legal battle with rare breed

>>63918640
>Or print it yourself,

t. man who has never interacted with a 3d printer

>>63918682

That's fair. Rare Breed asshole is cease and desisting everyone. Long lead time gives that piece of shit more time to slap one on them too.

>>63918688
NTA but what's the issue?

>>63918688
lmao my ass off. I have an ender and an x1c. Many printed 2a things. A couple of them even look as shitty as those housings.

I received mine and tested it on my 300 blk, ran 100 rounds (Winchester 200gr super suppressed) and it was fine -Ran approx 1100rpm. hd 194s were slightly faster and fed smoothly. Felt good and I unironically think this technology and its proliferation will disrupt the machine gun market

>>63918736
>I unironically think this technology and its proliferation will disrupt the machine gun market
Hope so, would like to pick up a couple more and would be great if I can do that at a lower price.

>>63918680
Kek, this. Not sure what grumpy bug crawled up that guy's ass.

>>63918696
The issue is there are people selling 3D printed MP5 lowers that can take super safeties and it really upsets one anon.

>>63918696
some anon is shilling for a company selling dogshit printed MP5 trigger housings that people could make better prints of at home.

>>63918810
>shilling
I've shared every new super safety related seller that I have found in each of these threads. Kill yourself, demoralization D&C zogbot shill. I don't give 2 fucks about a 3D printed lower, but I think it'scool if someone wants that look at a lower proce point. I personally rock a Lee's (oh no I'm shilling again!) and I love it. Are you the same salty noguns that was saying the Atrius Super Selektor shouldn't even exist a couple threads back? Neck yourself.

>>63918838
>y-y-your a noguns! I h-help the community just like my heroes on reddit!
sure kid

fuck those nigger loving faggots at rare greed

they know as soon as trumps term is ogre that the dems will have power again and they will be fucked. thats why hes going after the money.

also vance is a poo lover. never trust a poo lover.

>>63919228
VANCE DOES THE POO PANTS DANCE

Found another super safety MP5 lower seller.

https://faladordesign.com/products/mp5-leber-v2-housing-kit

>>63918844
How does this make you feel? Gunna cry? Maybe shit and cum??

>>63919307
Do me a solid and post one for HK91/PTR91.
Pro mode, in-stock.

>>63919425
I'll certainly post one if I come across any.

>/k/ actually thought rare breed wasn't going to sue everyone as a result of the ATF settlement that required them to sue everyone
lol, lmao

Retard here. Whats it like to shoot one of these things?

>>63919759
like a bag of sand

Rare breed buyer here from previous thread. H2 buffer didn't work, switched uppers and it worked perfectly with the H2. So apparently all my problems were caused by my aero upper which I bought complete and I suspect maybe the gas block wasn't installed correctly or something. On the cheap M&P sport ii upper it worked just fine with an H2 buffer weight.

>>63919851
>m&p gassed well and actually runs
not surprised
>aero doesn't run at all
not surprised

when is Atrius supposed to ship? anyone been in contact with em recently?

>>63919998
See >>63918581.

>>63918581
>>63919998
>>63920020
I ordered from performance triggers com. Order #29261. Messaged the other day and got a reply quickly. Lots of words but not much substance. I trust that I will receive it in a matter of time but will certainly keep updating here.

>>63920133
My order was May 27th btw

>>63919998
They claim 4 weeks at max. Im currently at 6 weeks, still no reply to my question i sent them via their site

>>63919998
Abt a week ago. Full refund offered. ETA 2 weeks.

>>63920133
Yeah, I'm just going to wait it out too. I want one before RBT sures them and they possible halt sales.

Does anyone even sell loose tungsten weights anymore?

>>63920258
i bought some on amazon to make an H3 out of a standard carbine buffer and they worked (850ish rpm in 8 inch and a bit slower in a 16inch). I think they're outta stock tho.

>>63919759
virtually the same, but it doesn't speed up with heat which is kinda weird. Just stays at one rpm.

>>63919479
Rare Sneed was gonna sue everyone anyway just like they sued Big Daddy Unlimited.

>>63919479
That particular bit of settlement language was unenforceable garbage. They are just greedy.

t. IP Attorney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQIQwHnU3tQ

>fudd telling other retards to dremel their uppers

>>63918378 (OP)
Is there a forced reset trigger type for glocks? not illegal glock switches, but the legal forced reset theme type deal if you get my thing

>RBT selling knockoffs
…how well you think they’d do in an AR-10?

>want to get an FRT
>remember Florida's gay laws

Awesome.

>>63918378 (OP)
>FRTs/SSs banned in my """""pro-gun""""" state
>HPA and SHORT act got cucked and now we might not even get the cucked version
This shit is so fucking ass, man.

>>63920554
Yep. I wake up and seethe about it every day. Thank the orange nigger and skeletor for pushing gun control here after the Parkland shooting. There was a bill recently that could have repealed it, but it fizzled out in committee.

>>63919307
At least this time you're not shilling for a product that looks like total ass. Hope you still got paid well (((guy))))

>>63920387
The whole thing is unenforceable, how would the ATF ever try to regulate FRTs again after it?
>Yes your honor, we gave this company a free pass to manufacture illegal machine guns but then they started making them for handguns which is against our agreement so now we want to send them to prison.

>>63920372
They were obviously greedy before and then they explicitly agreed to sue everyone for no reason and then retards thought they just wouldn't sue anyone.

>>63920554
same about Colorado now. we've had to deal with mag bans since after the aurora theater shooting, and now we get double fisted with SB3 that will ban pretty much every normal semi-auto out there, and immediately bans FRTs under their blanket definition of "rapid fire devices"
i need to fuck off to cheyenne or something.

>>63920862
It's literally the same 3D printed lower without pictograms. You try so hard, yet you're still just a faggot.

>>63921444
>can't tell the difference between a good print and a shit one
anon I...

Update - I ran it on my v7 build, 7" honey badger barrel assembly. Winchester super suppressed - 650 rpm (dogshir underpowered dirty slop for ammo) and those lehigh 194s - 840rpm, smooth as butter. Running an h3 buffer with a lightweight bcg (8.2oz) and a flat tubs spring. Ejection around 4o clock. I expect supers ro be like an mg42 @ 1100-1200rpm. It has "unlocked" the ability to paint targets with low recoil ~950-1050fps rounds, which is unfathomably based and is more true to the design of PDWs being bullet hoses. buy one

For anyone planning on running an ATRIUS selector, here's what ive compiled as necessities thus far

1 millspec trigger with a flat rear shelf, the PSA enhanced polished trigger seems to work great.

2 filed flat rear of carrier group for good sear interface, If the back shelf of your bcg has a slant, slope or curve you need to file it flat so the trip sear engages on a flat surface and doesn't get bent, this is what was causing all of the leavers breaking previously.

3 H2 or H3 buffer WITH shake in the buffer weights, a no rattle/ no shake buffer will result in bolt bounce and lead to out of batteries or light strikes.

Follow these steps and you should have good results.

>>63922526
why is this an issue with the super selector but not the super safety

>>63922551
the hofmans sear engages in the center of the BCG, the Super selektor engages on the right hand side of the bcg. The hoffman is more battle tested and will likley work more reliably with less work but you still have to modify your lower and its far less intuitive with the cross bolt saftey.

>>63922593
why do they have is offset to the side anyways, seems like it'd work just as well straight
at first i thought it was so it could push the sear out of the way of the bolt to remove the super safe function, but in every position its alligned with the bolt
maybe they did it just so it'd break quicker to get more people to buy it

>>63922643
could be, i think its so that the disconnector can interact with the side of the trigger bar rather than the middle where it is structurally weaker, either that or they made it like that because of needing to ad a cam to put it into third position. maybe ask em on insta, though i doubt youll get a response lmfao

>>63919759
salty coins
>>63920315
FYI if anyone was wondering, H1 buffers gave 1 tungsten weight, H2 buffers have 2 and H3 have 3 (carbine weight buffers are 3 steel). So if you have an h2 & an h1 you can swap a tungsten weight with a steel, leaving you with an H3 and a standard carbine buffer.

>>63922526
Would a Sionics trigger work with it, or any SS?

>>63922526
Would a Sionics trigger work with it?
They have both mil-spec and two-stage options.

>>63922900
the Sionics enchanted millspec trigger has a flat shelf behind the disconnector so yes it should work.

>>63922936
As time goes on, I hope Atrius works out the kinks of the design so no modifications are needed for it to operate perfectly. It's hard to tell if most of the issues that people are experiencing with the Super Skeletor are flaws, or just user error from some out-of-spec part in their shit pony AR from AliExpress.

>>63923010
seeing that everything is machined from the exact same metal on the same machine, im pretty sure its the fact that the "Millspec" standard has fallen so far in the last 20 years that its just a marketing gimmick now adays.

>>63923104
i mean "milspec" literally means the bare minimum the military will accept

What BCG are you bros running?

>>63923906
generic mil-spec M16. Works fine.

>>63923906
Ruger AR556 bcg, KAK Kspec, KAK 9mm bcg. These all work fine for me. though I had to drill the KAK for my SS

It isnt that big of a deal which one you get, just get a good quality milspec and youre good

>>63923906
run any full auto m4 style carrier group from BCM Knights armorment, Daniel defense, Aero precision, or any other American manufacturing plant, avoid anything made in bulk or china.

A bare bones MPI, full auto rated BCG from Aero precision is 120 bucks and is gonna last you the entire life of you receiver set. even a gucci top of the line Nickle boron BCG is 250 bucks from BCM or knights armorment.

I finally cut my own 3 pos trigger to swap out with my 2 position which functioned flawlessly. Haven’t taken it to the range yet, but with the upper off it resets as expected. However when I cycle the action, the doesn’t fully reset. Did I cut my trigger too much?
>inb4 shoot it and find out

>>63923906
Phosphated microbest, sometimes a sonics NP3

>>63923906
Came with muh upper

well good news, the cam safety designing is coming along a lot quicker than i thought it would be, figured i'd push it's work ahead of my other project and i'm pretty much 70% done with drawing it up in cad
i have two business name ideas i'm kinda choosing from at this point, either Desert Meridian or Anime Tobacco & Firearms

>>63924317
obligatory anime girl

>>63924317
What are you trying to accomplish with your design exactly? Sounds interesting

>>63924375
same thing as atrius, but i'm also gonna make super safeties for other guns
i came up with the lever cam idea like 2 weeks before the super selector was anounced so i was pretty distraught to find out someone beat me to it, but recently found out their design kinda sucks if you dont want to fuck up your gun with a dremel and they're constantly out of stock so i'm gonna do what they did but better and cheaper
might also do something for the suomi kp31 because i already drew some stuff up in the past and indianapolis ordnance is slow as shit

>>63924454
That would be great. It sucks that the only traditional safety design is stuck with one company that can't keep its product in stock.

Anyone running an AR22 with a super safety?

>>63924454

Your bit about the dremel makes me think yours will be high shelf compatible, will us LMT-cels have an option now? Atrius "claims" they will be making a high shelf option eventually but they seem to be claiming anything that will get them more future orders they can't fulfill, I trust a /k/ommando more than them. Regardless I will be monitoring these generals and wish you the best of luck with your designs and business.

>>63924906
prolly not, the lever is modeled closer to the original super safety's and that one isnt compatible with a high shelf
what kind of lever styles do you guys wanna see
i'm a gun purist so i prefer the m16 selector style, and i'll probably do an ambidextrous one aswell
thinking maybe a checkered lever would also be cool

>>63923906
the old pitted to shit dpms bolt carrier that came with my a1 upper
>>63920518
i did that to both of my uppers to solve a binding issue

>>63920554
Thats why you live in the panhandle and have an hour drive to alabama

>>63924906
I milled 2 LMT lowers to low shelf. Quit being a pussy

I'm just going to assume that these are verboten in NYS right?

>>63925145
the main issue is that modifications fuck up the finish

>>63925160
if you comply yea

>>63924454
i will give u badonkadonk money if u make a super safety work with an indy kp31

>>63925212
its an idea i've had and on the list to do eventually

Does super safety work on K98?

>>63924984

I am a big fan of ambi safeties but the one on the ejection port side of the rifle is half the length of the standard safety

Will an A5H2 work with the DTT FRT? I've read some people say it runs fine, and others say that A5s don't work because the weights don't move freely

>>63925266
why is it so short anyways

>>63925161
Who cares? Go shoot your guns

>>63918378 (OP)
So I have an MG42 that uses an AR-15 trigger group. Preliminary inspections say that it would not be very hard at all to kludge a SS into it. I don't suppose any other semi auto 42 owners have tried this yet and can tell me what kind of RPM to expect with the BRP bolt and if I need the bolt bounce reduction thing to stop it from exploding?

>>63925416
MG42 and SS linked up? what year is it

>>63922526
Can you explain a bit more your No.2 point?

Both my first and 2nd Atrius Lever were and are showing wear in the pic related location. I believe it is impacting against the BCG right at the edge where the slot for the auto sear begins.

>>63925437
A good one

>>63924984
Just a plain ol' mil-spec lever for Delta Force larping.

I would feel a lot better if Atrius posted the occasional update on their insta instead of just clips of people using them
>>63925563
I hope you have a youtube channel, please post videos with this.

>>63925642
I wiped my spending money out on a C grade Steyer from RTI so it'll be a bit before I can buy an SS and some ammo, but when I do I'll make sure to get videos and post them on the board somewhere.

>>63925337

it doesn't dig in into your right hand when in the fire position and if you're using your fingers to sweep it back into safe you don't need the full length

>>63926019
why use it if you're not a lefty then

RBT finally suing Atrius!!

https://youtu.be/t3On_QyTifQ

>>63928648
>suing
>no cease and desist letter first
well shit i guess i'll probably have to put a hold on my business until they lose because i guess EVERYBODY WATCH OUT RARE BREED NEEDS TO FEEL LIKE THE BIG MAN AROUND HERE
even though theres like an FRT patent from 1934

>>63928648
I hope atrius can get me my shit before they pause things

>>63918688
the hardest thing about 3d printing is setting up the workspace and learning to properly tram the printer.

>>63928743
actually hell, i'll speak with a patent lawyer to see what he thinks because fuck waiting a year or more on this lawsuit

>>63928776
#metoo

Are there any FRTs that let me use my own trigger or is that super safeties only?

>>63929576
>is there a trigger that lets me use my own trigger
I'll give you a minute to think that one over.

>>63928776
I managed to buy a couple SSs from GMR last week, so Atrius might still take orders during the litigation process too, though whether or not you'll get it shipped out to you until next year is another discussion.

If I don't get my fart sausage from the Atrius devs before the triggerjew shuts them down, I'm ironically going to kms myself with a push-button super safety in Roblox.

>>63929576
arizona regulator

It's a lot cheaper to just cut a LL out of sheet steel and tell everyone it's an FRT if they ask. As long as you don't get your funs confiscated for some other reason there's no way it could come back to bite you.

Are Franklin Binaries even worth buying anymore?
PSA currently has a complete Franklin Lower with their binary installed on sale for only 300 bucks.
Worth it?

>>63925243
Yeah

>>63925243
Doesn't the K98 already reset the trigger when the bolt is cycled?

>>63930090
no. binaries are pointless now that super safeties exist

>>63927107

it's comfortable and quick using both my thumb for the left side safety lever and my index finger to engage the safety on the ejection port side when im done shooting and coming off the gun

>>63930090
In a world where FRTs and super safeties exist, there's no reason to fuck with a binary trigger IMO.

When will someone invent the Binary FRT?

>>63925462
How many rounds have you fired?

>>63928648
somebody should do the needful against rare breed triggers

>>63930671
So far my 2nd lever is at 600 rounds no malfunctions, but it is showing this wear.

>>63918378 (OP)
I'm a poor fag that wants to shoot fast and I've given up hope on the overpriced meme triggers. Super safety seems to be within reach though. Are these drop in ready in poverty state armory aside from a buffer or do I have to break out the harbor freight tool kit?

>>63918378 (OP)
ITT: anons pay $500 for nig-rigged copeauto. Will they receive their packages and get to feel cool owning something the courts said they could have risk free? Or will the overnight nigger engineering rear it's ugly head, condemning them to broken parts and definitely not military grade reliability.

Don't worry, I hear if you got the newest model that isn't made out of pig iron, it might last over 1000 rounds. Just remember not to pull the trigger too hard, cuck.

>>63930802
faggot retard

>>63930789
>>63930671
Sorry correction, that image with the cracking was my first lever which bent and cracked within 120 rounds or so, but I believe I caused it to bend/crack by initially trying to get it to work in an 80% receiver that had been finished to 100% out of spec by myself on a hobby mill.

>>63930802
lmao retard

>>63930822
>>63930802
dubs of truth for the augtard

>>63930722
But chud dot deals says they're the best!

https://youtu.be/SPAhEMTIXOI

>>63930808
>>63930822
>>63930831

>>63930802
>>63930849
This nigga lives in a ban state is seething, huh? Feel sorry for you senpai desu.

>>63930802
Essentially the same as this

>>63930802
>commiefornie arg tranny seethes at what could have been as he looks down at the axe wound between his legs

>>63930630
Oh shit, this would be so fast

>>63930630
That side-by-side AR thing had two triggers in the US because they were concerned that a two barrels shooting from a single trigger would make it legally a machine gun. You could make an FRT that fires one barrel in each direction.

>>63930630
You can’t. The reset of the trigger would cause the weapon to fire through no action of your own, which would be illegal. FRTs are plenty fast anyways.

>>63930799
PSA is low shelf, you are gtg

What is your AR configuration?

>>63930967
it actually wouldn't, cyclic rate doesn't get any faster

>>63930802
You are a gay retard. Checkem.

>63930802
The more prolific they become the harder they are to enforce

>>63930873
>projecting

>>63930802
Off my three day mandated vacation for calling retards retarded , but nigga, you gay

I have all the AR SS I want right now, now I need to unfuck my AK SS. Not trivial bros, let me tell you.

>>63930817
>>63925462
Original BCG post annon here, what looks to be happening to you is either your upper/lower is out of spec and its causing the bcg to impact the top of the leaver rather than the contact surface or, like you said your BCG has a AS cut and that is causing that wear pattern. In order to have proper engagement, you have to have a milled or dremaled flat spot on the right hand side of the carrier tail, where the sear engages it. here's a video further explaining it and giving examples if you would like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDsfrPExDfM&t=654s&ab_channel=VPNationTim

>>63928648
holy fuck what massive niggers.

Does anyone have any idea when Atrius is going to start taking orders again?

>>63929733
>img
Miss.

>>63936008
>holy fuck what massive niggers.
Yes, willfully violating a consent aggreement is really fucked up.

>>63937409
this
but raregreed is still chasing after companies that haven't done anything of that sort

Rare Breed Triggers? Or as I like to call them, Rage Greed Niggers.

>>63937474
>The phrase "a government of laws and not of men" is attributed to John Adams. It emphasizes that laws, not the will of individuals, should govern a society. This concept is central to the rule of law, which dictates that everyone, including those in power, is subject to and accountable under the law.
I agree they are practicing lawfare, or is there some fucked up 83,000pgs USC that says the must name all parties in the concent agreement if only one is the violator?

Are there any coupon codes for rarebreed?

Atrius interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9rPBEztVew&ab_channel=VPNationTim

>>63938257
Yeah, type in "shalom" for 6 gorjillion percent off.

>>63938703
do they mention the shit with raregreed anywhere in the video?

>>63937806
I hope to get answers to that questions when I get in contact with a lawyer over this, someone who can get more information than me

>>63939058
RARE BREED LAWSUIT UPDATE FROM ATRIUS

>dad and I shot the super safe MP5K today
>he's going to buy one now
Happy Independence Day!

>>63939368
>jist checked his braced short barrel AR
>it has a low shelf
>it has an M16 BCG
>we just boughted him an AS Designs super safety
>:D

What guns do you guys want me to make FRTs for?
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVDLVXn3

>>63925416
According to mg42 forums and several builders over the years, supposedly the risk it's going to have an out of battery is pretty substantial since there's nothing to ensure the bolt is fully engaged before the firing pin closes if the cyclic rate is too fast with the semi bolt conversions. I'm curious, but I'm not going to risk my mg42 to find out.

>>63941581
They fixed it in later versions of the 42 but I don't believe my version has the lockup spring but I can buy one so I'll probably do that, they're like $20 or less.

>>63939312
alright cool so that means they can fucKING SHIP MY SHIT NOW

I installed a supersafety in my dpms kitty kat and I had some issues at the range. The trigger and lever dont have any issues fitment wise.
The malfunctions i had were 3 failure to fire and 1 double feed . I only fired 2 mags any ideas on what i can do to fix it
Running factory springs buffer and bcg

>>63941980
I saw someone say they got theirs to run smoothly by putting a quarter in between the buffer spring and the buffer tube

>>63942005
Think it'd be worth trying an h3 buffer

>>63922526
Are out of battery discharges even remotely common with SS or Atrius? I hadn't heard about this.

I know some guy here mentioned he was going to try it ages ago. Anyone know if the Atrius selector works with the Larue MBT2S? I'm thinking about getting a single stage trigger anyways, but I suppose if I dont have to buy one id rather not

Think it's okay to put a suppressor on a glock with a frt? The suppressor is an obsidian 45 so there is more clearance for a less chance for baffle strike yeah? Better to put it in the short configuration?

>>63918534
>>63918580
Yea they make about 200 units per month but with SS vendors kneeling and trying to settle with raregreed i dont know how Atrius would fare in the future.

I've been told Vectors are pretty shit since they're constrained to semi only. Would this make them worth it? I've been wanting a Vector for some years, currently thinking on the 10mm version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJu7TRYC6Jg&ab_channel=IRISHRIFLEACADEMY

>>63942050
I am still waiting for my Atrius to arrive but I will try it with my MBT2

>>63939781
CZ Scorpion 3+ Micro plz

>>63942857
>I am still waiting for my Atrius to arrive
Ditto. Hoping they don't fold prior to shipping my order.

>>63941980
I run a 7" honey badger barrel assembly v7 build and for what it's worth here's some data. Lightweight bcg (8.2oz) + h3 buffer + tubbs + thunder chicken + 194 lehigh subs/200gr Winchester super suppressed + flatware spring = 800ish rpm on the good bullets. No fails over 200 rounds with various magazines. Interestingly, standard bcg with any buffer including 1.7, 2.2, 2.6, h up to h3, resulted in fail to feeds.

I bring it up because the barrel lengths are short so it might be something to try. I do not know how 5.56 would act but it could be worth increasing buffer weights/ adjusting gas. Could be inertia based on the bolt or something too

>>63942769
Well, that looks fucking awesome. I want a Vector now. I'd finally buy a PS90 if it could behave like that. I am praying to the gun gods out there to guide someone's hand into making something for the AUG but there's a chance my dick may explode if that happened.

>>63942944
>my dick may explode if that happened
Be careful what you wish for.

>>63943013
I am willing to sacrifice my peen to have AUGs with FRTs in the hands of my fellow bullpup enjoyers. For the greater good and all that. I'll have my DTT next week, I'll have to endure with that until then.

>>63918378 (OP)
looking to get one of these, which frt is the meta rn? seems like the super safety is the only one where you can use your own nice trigger and not have to use a dogshit milspec or worse

I kinda like the crossbolt idea desu

>>63942944
>>63943044
FRTs for the AUG exist. They're like $400+. though

>>63943060
TLDR,
Hoffman SS, more battle tested, less wait time, not as ergonomic and less user friendly installation, needs h3 buffer with loose weights to prevent bolt bounce.

DTT FRT drop in, the easiest to install, works out of the box with every ar15, slightly better than milspec trigger pull on semi, - must be cleaned every 3-500 rounds or else it will gum up, 500$ plus.


Atrius super selektor, works with many drop in trigger groups with a small amount of dreamal work, 3 position selector, 200$ -requires small cuts on BCG rear see >>63922526 also needs h3 buffer with loose weights to prevent bolt bounce, will likely take half a year to ship to you as the demand for them is HUGE right now.

>>63943594
I have the atrius super selector and I didnt have to do any cuts, just the h3 buffer. Im using the mbt2 trigger

>>63942857
>>63942050

I have it, it works

>>63942769
This is 3 position as well, looks like I have a new project

>>63943846
The bcg I used was a kac down vent btw

Anyone that used the glock frt, is there technique in using it or is it natural and intuitive? I remember binary glock trigger sucking

>>63943071
I looked into it and I think I'll wait for a true drop in kit. I have the 20/20 sear installed, which is good for the FRT, but I'm not cool with drilling a hole in the stock for yet another crossbolt safety button, especially one that looks like it will snap off if I look at it wrong.

[spoiler]Order #4886[/spoiler]
ahhhhhh rare breed is going to cuck me

>tiny lil trigger you could put in a sandwich bag
>ships via UPS ground

fuck off

>>63939028
This doesn't work.btw

>>63944510
I'm a thou under you because I am.smarter, and wealthier, and better looking, and I am losing faith. You are right out fucked. Also.ugly, poor and weak.

Atrius updated their website saying that "Your lower MUST have a Full auto pocket" yet i see people running it in regular old ar15 lowers with no FA pocket, can anyone confirm that it works in gats without a fa pocket?

>>63944676
I think you just need a low shelf, same requirements as the super safety

>>63944743
or a dremal tool and 10 minuets of bubba lol.

>>63941980
>dpms
Found the issue.

Can someone PLEASE FRTerize the TP9

I was looking at an Aero lower and it looked like a low shelf. Has one here hand any issues running a super safety running on an Aero lower?

>>63946116
I would actually buy one if I could throw an FRT in one. I've wanted one of those ever since I used the TMP back in CS Source.

>>63946116
>Glock FRT on a Glock in a chassis.
We have frt tp9 at home.

>>63944002
This is what I'm wanting to know

>>63944002
Every place you can buy from gives extremely specific instructions on which recoil spring, disconnector, ammo, etc that you can use and also says that you might have to fit and file. I'd expect nothing to be a drop in at this point, HOWEVER Freedom Finger does sell a legit M&P back plate drop in that converts any M&P 2.0 into a FRT.

>>63947391
I'll let you know tomorrow

>>63947672
I bought the A.R.T trigger from appalachian custom gunworks since it's a drop in trigger with all the internal safeties in check. A lot of footage on their instagram looked pretty good

>>63943846
>>63943885
adding more to this, it works in the 3rd position but there is some binding that doesnt seem to be there with a milspec

I think im going to wait for their geissele lever and replace the trigger with a geissele especially since the blems are on sale now

>>63947391
I have a Aero X15, it works fine

>>63946116
>>63947435
more possible than you think since there is already a trip for it

someone would just have to design it

>>63918640
>So buy a Lee Sporting housing
Oh you mean the ones known to cause problems with the MP5 SS?

>>63949252
What problems does the Lee's cause?

>>63949578
something about how the internals sit non optimally which can break levers and cause ejection issues. Supposedly this all can be fixed with the strangewaters stuff

>>63943594
Will a Geissele Super 42 H3 work with a SS?

>>63942769
So now that this exists, if the vector viable? I was thinking hard on buying an MP5 clone but now I really want a vector.

>>63922593
>you still have to modify your lower
I didn’t. Mine just dropped in and ran

>>63923906
PSA full auto bcg

>>63922526
I am confused. Is this picture referring to your point number 2?
That filed part doesn't looked filed "flat"?
Can you explain more?

>>63951682
yes the pic rel is for point no 2. The small area that the trip sear interacts with the bcg has to be roughly flat, it doesn't have to be 0 tolerance smooth but it just cant be angled to prevent the trip sear from binding.

how long until FRTs get banned by a false flag event?

>>63951723
Shut up, fag. Go back to >>>/pol/.

>>63951723
They e been banned before, very few complied just like brace and bump stocks, and got dick slapped. Stop being a pussy or go buy one now if you're that concerned.

>>63951723
get as many as possible so that they fall under the common use clause.

>H4 buffer
>light strike the shitty ammo
>bolt override the good ammo
>not resetting
Gotta try a different upper at this point. Thing runs perfectly on H2 semi auto.

>>63952243
use the camera on your phone and slo mo video your bolt dropping from lock back, see if it bounces, it you get ANY bolt bounce at all that is your problem for light strikes. You need an h2 or h3 buffer with rubber spacers in between the weights to act as a dead blow. if you have no bold bounce and are still seeing these issues i would try a new carrier group or tougher trigger, something is either wrong with your firing pin protrusion or the weight of your hammer.

>>63919307
shit and cum posting in 2025 reeks of newfag shill take that MP5 and put it in your mouth nigga

>>63952315
Have tried multiple carriers and triggers. As soon as I get close to the elusive mag dump, it evades me again. I will try camera, thank you.

>>63951721
I thought that the lever interacted with cutout area. are you saying it interacts with the area to the right/left of the cutout?

>>63951723
Inevitable that a false flag event happens, or hell maybe even a real mass shooting, which is why we need to pump these rookie numbers up and get proliferation done so that common use can be used to protect them.

>>63952631
yes, it interacts with the right hand side of the BCG looking towards the bolt, about 2-3mm right of the auto cutout.

>>63952648
Hmm okay I'm confused because mine has these marks

>>63952692
>>63952648

>>63952535
I swear JP should pay me a commission.

Just use a silent captured spring. It will sort everything out for you and set you back $130. Desu every AR should have one at this point.

>>63951892
anon, i'm not being a pussy and i fully intend to buy one, i'm just saying

>>63953145
>Intend to buy one
>Still haven't bought one
>Never going to buy one
Pussy

>>63953480
shut the fuck up retard i'm literally about to in a week when i get my paycheck

>>63953690
>Come to thread to demoralize
>Can't afford a frt
>Can't afford ammo to use frt

>>63953727
Nigga moment, kek.

Im tired of spending money now I have to get $400 frts smhh

>Atrius had over 9,000 orders in 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/YgWVWAoEEmo

>>63952697
>>63952692
my guess is thats from your sear binding with that small bit of flared out metal on the rear of the bcg, take a dreamal and try making the contact area flat.

>>63947391
Tried it today, M4E1 lower, worked flawlessly. Only shot 50 rounds between SS and semi today so can't comment on reliability and durability, but it worked without issue

Want to run a super safety in mp5 anyone know which mp5 clones or sp5 is chrome lined?

>>63954886
Hell yeah.

>>63956528
I wish the HKs could be chrome lined i the US, but apparently burgers can't do it well enough and Germany won't allow export so yeah.

Super safeties for B&T APC9 when?

>>63958416
A3 Tactical makes Stribog lowers that use AR controls. This should be able to make a Stribog fully semi-automatic.

https://www.rainierarms.com/a3-industries-stribog-lower-receiver-scorpion-magazine-lrbho/

Anyone here have a Stribog?

>>63958435
asdesigns will sell a super safe lower and kit soon for all stribog variances

>>63953799
its either 400 dollars or like 5k for a MAC-10 and the goofy AR conversion lower that makes your gun look like a starter rifle in a nexon f2p shooter.

>>63958441
AS Designs are so based. They're my favorite SS seller rn. I wonder if they'll make something for B&T soon.

>>63943594
>requires H3 buffer w/ loose weights

You should ALWAYS have a deadblow buffer anyway, bolt bounce is always an issue with any AR15, it is just slightly more pronounced with forced reset and/or pistol calibers.
You dont need an H3 but its better to have an H1 or H2 than carbine as it lowers the fire rate, reduces recoil, and doesnt make properly gassed guns run like shit. H3 is good for overgassed or suppressor only AR's (see overgassed).
Many rifles require a heavier buffer weight as the system doesnt have enough inertia to let the forced reset work properly with carbine buffers.

>>63930802
only a pajeet would be capable of talking that much shit.

What's the preferred AR buffer for a super safety? Does barrel length matter? Adding a suppressor? Flow through or traditional? Does short barreled make a different? What about piston vs DI? Bufferpill a n00b plox.

>>63918378 (OP)
6+ weeks now waiting on my super selektor from performancetriggers

>>63962071
JP silent captured spring in all cases.

Suppressors jack up the cyclic rate. None of mine are flow through but I have one very K can (4"), one medium can, and one enormous Otter Creek can that is a clone of an Allen Engineering can. All of them have been run flawlessly with silent captured springs and I've also tried all of them with lightweight bolt carrier groups. I can reliably get the cyclic rate north of 1200 rpm.

I can't speak for piston guns but I can't imagine there's much reason to get one.

>actual frt dropping for this bad boy soon
>always wanted a vector
>turned off by cucked semi-auto
>G2s are on sale
>all signs, including my erection, are pointing to yes

Someone please tell me no.

>>63962865
might be some weirdness with it?

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/The-Kriss-Vector-Just-got-a-lot-more-Interesting-Assisted-Reset-Trigger-is-FAST-/48-558314/?page=1

here's wicked's blog page

https://wickedarmsinnovation.blogspot.com/

>>63962878

Yeah, might be a good idea to see how it plays out. They do have videos of people testing it out at least and it seems to work well. Last I heard is that they're waiting on paperwork. Assuming the legal kind.

>>63962912
>>63962878
https://youtu.be/FJu7TRYC6Jg?si=uWqmHwUoiqc_9fir
This video looks promising. Forget if I already posted this in this thread

What would the legality of selling FRTs to other countries be? I just had the thought that I could try selling vz58 FRTs to people in the Czech republic

>>63964353
Or I guess it depends on individual laws. A better way to word it is, who lives outside of the US but their country hasn't made FRTs illegal?

>>63964363
Yeah

>>63962865
>>63962878
>>63963597
Hell yeah. I really hope the P90 is figured out next.

>>63966890
some guy on reddit got the printed version of a p90 working, maybe that transitions to an actual ps90

>>63966890
I'm gonna work on it and sell it if I'm successful. Looking at the design though I might need to change the trigger to a rotating one rather than one you push, just to make it easier, but I'll try to keep the same looks.

Anyone with an Atrius who also has a Hoffman, how do they compare? Thinking about buying a 3D printer soon

Are super safeties/frts allowed in michigan? The AG says they aren't but there isn't a single law on the books that prohibits them as Michigan's definition of a machine gun is the same as federal law

>>63969433
who cares, just see if a company will ship it to your state

>>63969433
Wow, what a cuck state.

>>63966902
>printed version of a p90 working,
A P90 is already FA, dipshit. You don't need a super (retarded) safety.

>>63971826
Don't have to be so anal about it friend, people say mp5 but actually mean sp5 as well

>>63971836
Ahh yes, the SP90 super safety.

>>63919425
Found a small channel where some guy is showing off FRTs, this vid for a G3. On one of his videos he says he'll be selling FRTs for some other gun soon, may have one out of G3 eventually. No social media or website linked though, so idk how legit it is. I am very interested in his AUG one though, if it's cheaper than the one that's already on the market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXG-k1QsanE&ab_channel=JeffersonTriggers

>>63971883
Gotta admit, boys, that is fucking bad ass and the way it should be!

>>63971826
>>63971838
Kill yourself you pedantic AIDS faggot.

>>63972012
>shallow people triggdr easy
Ueah.

Got my DTT fartyboi installed last night. Turns out it was Rare Breed all along. Anyways, something nobody tells you is you have to install your upper with the hammer up so you need to manually trip it by pressing on the reset lever and pulling the trigger.

You will also have trouble getting the back pin to line up to attach the back end of the receiver, but I found the best way to do it was to pull the charging handle a bit while seating so the buffer moved enough to get clearance, then lock the buffer back while pushing the pin through.

Anyone else have a little play side to side in the anti-walk pins, though? They don't tighten down flush with the lower receiver all the way but I put some blue locktite on them so we'll see.

list of guns that this trigger can fit into? Can it fit in a fightlite?

>>63973897
Yes. There's videos of belt fed AR uppers with FRTs already.

>>63918640
Manufacturers of the improved MP5 trip slips have warned against using the Lee Sporting lower. Active Safety Designs is the best metal lower available, the Lee is obsolete

>>63930090
Absolutely not.
They are all $300 more then where they should have been when RBT won, defacto legalizing FRT's.
The HK binary is still $650 lol.
For what is essentially paintball gun technology in your real gun

Gay faggot ripoff pricing and not even as fun as a bump stock

Looking at building an AR10 with SS. I know there's no common standard across manufacturers, and the specs between DPMS/Armalite receivers is kinda convoluted. Which receiver spec would allow a SS to work, and how could it be built to reliably function with most common ammo loads? Spoke with one guy who said he can only get his AR10 ss to work reliably with 168s and that's maybe a bit expensive for my blood right now.

>>63946116
That's gunna take some time anon, there's only so much space in there compared to all the current FRT'd guns which wither use trigger packs or take AR trigger components

>>63963597
Now im conflicted on either a Stribog 10mm or a Vector 10mm.

At least with a UMP brace and some CZ fixed sights I can larp the bog as a UMP at home, but the Vector uses the ever affordable glock mag (ASDesigns is making a 10mm/45 glock mag Stribog lower though)

It's not bolt bounce

>>63971883
Hopefully a FAL soon

>>63974153
I'll be working on it possibly soon, have been designing FRTs and have a friend who wants me to give it a go with the FAL

>>63973931
Have citation for it? Lees is saying on their website it's competitors fudding them and the competitors that are fudding them cost more than lees. Lees is noting a modified AR hammer will work best with their lowes and not require a trip extension, just the trip.

any update on atrius that anyone has heard?

>>63974158
Keep us posted here in this general, I'm ready to drop some cash on the first FRT that I can throw into a FAL.

>>63971883
How does that one work? I have a PTR-
91 with a PSG-1 that I paid out the ass for like 8 years ago and I don't wanna downgrade back to the stapler gun feel for an FRT to work.

>>63975457
definitely will

Does anyone know of an frt for a ps90?

>>63975577
Its probably gonna be my next project, I'm >>63974158
Did a vote a few days ago and the ps90 seems to be in the highest demand

>>63975622
Design it as a drop in with no receiver modification and I'll buy a PS90 for it. AUG, too. The only type out there right now requires drilling another hole so then you have to deal with two cross bolt settings.

>>63975783
Thats what I aim to do for most of my designs, but its not always possible. Guns are often designed to be as efficient on internal space as they can, so modifications that directly change the internal parts aren't always going to be easy.

>>63975793
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I am very technically savvy with hand tools and cosmetic maintenance as a profession. I can tell you with all honesty I won't be willing to drill a hole through a polymer stock and hope the pin lines up, even with an included jig. If you can figure out a drop in kit that doesn't require permanent mods and is durable and easy to maintain you will be rolling in money.

>>63975823
I know, even I don't like fucking up guns, especially very expensive ones like the ps90.

>>63974158
please for the love of god make it 3 position, I'm so fucking tired of these FRTs coming out and only being 2 position.

Atrius Dev Selektor update
Hit 800 rounds today, flawless no malfunctions or issues. Not seeing any new additional wear on the lever or the BCG. I clearanced my upper receiver rear lip similar to most Super Safety SS clearancing procedures just to be safe. The thing spits. Working on 2-3 round burts.

>>63971883
MP5 when

>>63976144
I do plan on it, and I'll have a look at the AK to see if theres anything that could possibly be done for a three position. People say its impossible but I feel that they may be focusing too much on trying to get the pre-existing design to work instead of trying to think outside of the box. Theres one gun for example where I was stumped until I looked at the original full auto parts instead of the semi auto parts I was familiar with, and immediately came up with a new design that was extremely simple
Also, I have a question for you guys, how would you feel if the PS90's trigger was changed from the original linear trigger (like a 1911) to a rotating one to accommodate forced reset?

>>63976169
nice review

Is the dnt ak supersafety as reliable as their ar ss? I don’t feel like waiting for 3 position and it would probably be convoluted to make 3 position work in an ak without many funny bits.

>>63976321
no, the AK super safeties require a ton of individual fitting per rifle due to loose tolerance stacking on AK.

>>63962865
>>63962878
>>63963597
Holy FUCK

This is the best news I’ve heard all year. Fuck yes.

>>63976353
Once it is fitted as good as it can be, are there problems like gripping the trigger too hard or shit like that with the gen 1 rarebreeds?

>took my glock frt out today to test
>trigger shoe broke at the pin hinge
Wellp never mind I guess

>>63976441
Oh also does anyone make an aluminum shoe?

>>63976466
if you need a normal glock shoe then yeah, but im not sure if it works for the frt or not

>>63976524
I think I'll just get a regular one and mill it out for the reset shelf

>>63976441
>glock FRT
Where do i even get one? Any site I see seems scammy

>>63976466
There's a few, but they're currently running around $80-100. Already have a mp5 with a super safety so not really motivated to get a frt for something that will on all accounts be worse and may take a lot of adjustments.

>>63976833
I can sell you one, Venmo.me money.

Why are binaries more expensive

>>63978447
Mostly made by larger companies with more bloat, so everybody involved in a team plus the company owner need to have it priced so they get paid, plus its new and full autos cost 12k or more now so they can set whatever price they want. I'm hoping for more indie projects with lower overhead so we don't get a situation like with suppressors where you have bloated costs due to barriers to entry.

>>63962865
biggest problem with the vector is the fuck-heavy recoil spring that makes charging the gun a huge pain in the ass unless you have it shouldered.

When

>>63975622
Hell yea I'm all in for it. My dick is already flabby thinking about it

>>63978574
>When
1921 C.E.

>>63978476
The biggest problem with the vector is the retarded form factor and how ridiculously big and heavy it is for a pistol with 4" barrel or whatever.

>>63963597
So, uh, I think I might need a Vector for each hand...

>>63978962
I think it's almost inevitable, but the big problem is which semi-auto Thompson to make it for. There are a bunch of semi-auto Thompsons that all have their own proprietary parts.
>>63978962
But anon, FRTs didn't even have a patent until 2015 Christian Era.

I'll bake a fresh bread soon.

>>63972973
Mine has side to side. I think on their website for installing it they mentioned the side to side play was on purpose
>>63973931
Ive got about 500+ rounds through mine with no issue.
>>63976353
This. I was able to get it installed in my 7.62 saiga with a couple hours of slow filing to get it all to fit. I got a kit for my brother and still trying to make it work as the psa one we cant get the carrier to over the trip bar.

New thread.

>>63980245

>>63980245

>>63980245

>>63918378 (OP)
t-91 upper works really well with FRT-a3