What is your favorite attack helicopter?

Picrel (the Atlas Ah-2 Rooivalk) is mine.

>>63918497 (OP)
The newest variant of the AH-1.

A Hind D.

>>63918617
My D in your Hind.

helicopter? yes
attacks? yes

First for Apache.

>>63918617
COLONEL WHAT IS A RUSSIAN GUNSHIP DOING HERE?

>>63918497 (OP)
For me its pre attack helicopter

For me, its the AH-56 Cheyenne.

>>63919204
i want a 600d so goddamn bad

>>63918497 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRBeXBHdY4

>>63918497 (OP)
>not hind
you had 1 job op and failed

>>63919135
thats the most disgusting cockpit glass i will ever see in my life

Comanche

>>63918497 (OP)
Kill it with fire

>>63919204
GOAT

The UHT tiger is the biggest case of a cool look and vibe to actual IRL performance disparity i've ever seen. The whole Tiger program is just trash but it looks so fucking cool.

>>63924935
Why is it so bad exactly?

>>63918497 (OP)
The P version with the fixed 30mm twin-barrel.

As a kid I randomly fixated on the Cobra

>>63924961
>>63924966
23mm

The Ka-50 has a semi-fixed 30mm

>>63924948
Program was expensive as hell and took too long to come out(program started in 1984, entered service in 2003)

Very limited payload

Very limited weapon selection

Very high maintenance to flight hours ratio

The Tiger's development was a clusterfuck and a lot of it carried over to its actual service life because it was made by anally retentive Europeans more interested in sabotaging eachothers' industries than making a good product. They never settled on a standard cannon for it so the French and Spanish ended up with one gun and the Germans who wanted to use a Rheinmetal gun ended up having no gun at all. Neither model can even fot more than 300 rounds which makes it worse than literally any other helicopter at basic CAS tasks.

Tigers also have no compatibility with commonly available American weapons like the Hellfire and Hydra and use mediocre French rockets and missiles which are not available in numbers if made at all nowadays. Even if they did, it wouldn't help them much because they have garbage take off weight and maximum ceilingm can't carry a significant combat load and can't do attack and interdiction either as a result, or go into places where an Attack Helocpter is most useful ie mountains.

The Australians bought them and are still dealing with the buyers' remorse. Just a shitfest of a program. What's even more egregious is that Italy was making it's own helicopter and put into service more than 10 years before and it is actually really good, the Mangusta, and unlike the Tiger which is a dead end, it had export versions and also a successor.

>>63924982
Wrong, dumbum. It's (almost) the same GSh-30-2 as on the Su-25.

Ka-50 has a single-barrel 2A42.

>>63924982
retard alert

>>63924948
G*rmans. There is a reason why Spain and France keep using it just fine and will upgrade it. Meanwhile Germany went with the French H145M lol

>>63925006

>Australians

Will never understand why we didn't just go blackhawks and apaches from the start instead of the whole nh-90/tiger debacle. It's not like the US wouldn't have given us the top shelf stuff for a good price either.

>>63925041
Because just like the Canadians, you have a weird autistic subconscious aversion to shifting economic and defense relations to the US instead of maintaining the utter meme that is the commonwealth, but because the UK doesn't make ANYTHING good anymore, you're left buying whatever is European no matter how stupid it is. Doesn't help that Europeans are incredibly good at bribing.

>>63925046
>le bribery
Only Lockheed does this tho. The Tiger looked good on paper just like the NH90 but the g*rms had to ruin in

>>63925046

That's not really true tho, the brits chuck a shitfit because they're still assfractured about losing the colonies. Australia has a long history now of very deep defense/intel co-operation with the US: see FVEY, pine gap, Harold holt NCS, nulka, scifire/related hypersonics programs going back decades, too many things to list. Hell they even gave us growlers. It's just bizarre that we haven't gotten something as relatively mundane as helicopters.

>>63918497 (OP)

>>63925065
>he thinks Airbus isn't Boeing-tier corrupt and incompetent
oh, sweet summer child

>>63925070
It's a common phenomenon that military planners and politicians get very antsy when they start buying too much of their defense procurement from one country even if it's objectively the best choice. Some would say it's wise to diversify your logistics and insure yourself against shortages and diplomatic spats, but if Australia somehow starts having issues with the US and not France or Germany, or the US is somehow not capable of filling orders anymore and they are, then the world is so tits up you're on your own.

>>63925006
Your picrel (A129) is not much better and the Italians are calling this project a failure due to a non-existent maintenance program (the plan is to use half the fleet as spares, which means that there are only 16 active combat A-129s)... Even OP's choice is more reliable as at least most of its parts come from Puma helicopters.

>>63919204
It is egg, praise egg.

>helicopters get cool Indian names
>Planes get gay LETTER-NUMBER designation

Why?

>>63925154
The problems the A-129 faces were simply that they didn't order enough to make it cost-effective. The Mangusta filled the requirements it had and it did well enough the Turks decided to make their own by own volition and not because of being part of an alliance or treaty like the Eurocopter was.

On the other hand the Mangusta's upgrade program became a whole new helicopter that already flew in 2022, proving that Italy, unburdened by giving a shit about what France or Germany think, can make a fairly complex program work within a reasonable amount of time and make it not garbage.

>>63925192
I guess that is fair, just why did no one else order it?

The ATAK does seem pretty good, but it is in a ways category in terms of why will operate it aside from Turkey. Italy has the Fenice program and Nigeria also wants the Prachand in its Air Force but seems noncommittal to either one.

>>63925239
>I guess that is fair, just why did no one else order it?

The attack helicopter market is very small as is, and in the 1990s at the end of the cold war even more so. The bracket of countries that can afford a fairly complex air support and attack system like this is small. Within that, the ones that would rather buy than make their own is smaller. And within THAT, the amount of countries that have a doctrine favorable for their use like is in the single digits.

The Chinese didn't even bother with them until recently even though they could have procured or built them themselves, for example, and its questionable if they'll even keep them and incorporate them properly in their defense plans going forward.

>>63925292
I guess that is fair too. I just would have thought that countries elsewhere in Europe, as well as on the Middle East and Africa would have been interested. The A-109, S.F.260 and M.B.326 have all seen widespread service and interest, so I am not surprised that the operators of those types would have been interested in purchasing them.

>:)

>>63925915

>>63919189
Will always be my fave. Slim is sexy.

>>63919290
You lazy fucking nigger.

>>63924935
It's ugly. Like a jewish Apache and vaguely reptilian in a bad way.

>>63925041
>>63925046
Ironically emough the Bong Apache is/was the superior version.

>>63925170
Because the airforce generated its own culture separate from the Army and thus it can't draw from a)the army's famous exploits b)the army's famous enemies and c)the army's crude and brutish war traditions which include hollering, scalp-taking injuns terrorizing people

>>63926043
What pagan shit is going on in this pic? Having losers of the war from hundreds of years ago praying for your helicopters seems like bad luck to me.

>>63926056
most of the native tribes in the US were incorporated into the union in one way or another so technically it's no different from every WASP bitch being ethnically British yet fully American after the US defeated the British

>>63926056
It's just optics.

>>63926065
No because the WASP's won the war and made a new country the tribes lost the war against those same WASP's and were given land sperate from the country which is why they have different laws and governance from the rest of the country.
>>63926074
For whom? Its a domestic attack helicopter.

Tiger is sex

>>63926099
Democratic and native voters, native youth recruitment, senators with states that have native casinos

>>63926043
>the machine spirit requires ten heya-hoyas.

>>63926742
each heya hoya corresponds to one Iraqi scalp removed by generally removing all the skin and meat and bone attached to it first

>>63927857
>AH~!

Is it bad that I like it?

>o hai

Big bada boom.