Thread 63921593

Are North Korean soldiers better or worse than Russian mobiks?

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Budanov said Norks are good fighters.

They are professional soldiers not conscripts, so much better.

>>63921593 (OP)
I would bet a lot of money on norks actually being tough, disciplined fighters. The kind of men that would rather go over a mountain than around it.

>>63921633
>They are professional soldiers not conscripts
North Korea has conscription. Men serve for ten years.

>>63921593 (OP)
The last reports regarding them called them good soldiers. Kleptomaniacs but very good marksmen, very brave and obedient, e.g. would bait out suicide drones using themselves as bait and then shoot it down. If I remember correctly they were actually a part of s specifically very good unit, but regardless they should not be underestimated.

>>63921689
They've adapted pretty well considering that they've likely never seen drones before deploying to Ukraine.

>>63921673
Shit, ten years?
They must be like Navy Seals compared to average puccian mobik.

>>63921633
>meanwhile yanks and Norwegians get crushed by Finn conscripts in multinational training exercises
Professional doesn't mean shit, if you're unmotivated.

>>63921593 (OP)
Better discipline, worse tactics. Nobody told them about the drones due to the language barrier.
>>63921673
Norks were sending their best to make a good impression.

>>63922191
>Norks were sending their best to make a good impression.
Everyone's sending their best if they send soldiers abroad.

>>63921593 (OP)
Do I have hd videos of norks being blown open like a pidor pinata with guts streaming around like confetti? No? Then Russians are better.

>>63922199
This is unironically nightmarish beyond comprehension. You're not only being killed and maimed in war now, you're being killed and maimed by an inanimate flying object controlled by someone hundreds of miles away. And to top it all off, your last moments in this world are filmed so some unwashed neckbeard half around the globe can laugh at you.

This is unironically just fucking sickening.

>>63922188
You sure are a gullible faggot.

>>63922228
The result is no different to getting unlucky with arty 100 years ago, it's just much more common than back then thanks to guidance.

>>63922228
War is just a bunch of people trying to kill each other. Most people can’t internalize that on their own. Even when faced with direct accounts from veterans who say war is hell, they don’t “get” it. It’s one thing to know something intellectually, and another to know something in the familiar sense.

FPV drones and cameras are a good thing, because it allows normal people to see what war actually is. Even then, that’s not enough for some people.

>>63922228
Shouldn't have gone to Ukraine then.

>>63922228
I haven't masturbated this hard since Kursk sunk.

>>63922228
Not hundreds of miles, drone operators using Mavics and FPVs are typically within 10km of the target, however some fibre optic drones do have spools that are as long as 15, 20, 30km long.

>>63922530
Some fibre optical drones are hitting 40km from the front line, 50km of line.

>>63921638
So cannon fodder.

>>63922300
And you are a stupid mutt, that doesn't even know how to ambush the A2 Yellow mechanized battalion. Conscript is not a negative term you think it is. You pay unmotivated wagie soldiers do all the heavy lifting while doing nothing. Nobody wants to be soldier, other than criminals and immigrants in USA. All nations should be conscripted. Only then people would be more intelligent and wouldn't be so retarded towards conscripts.

CONSCRIPTS RULE!

>>63922532
Lesbian nurse-anon has a special type of autism, but one that I respect

>>63921689
>Kleptomaniacs

Russia and Ukraine must look like a giant market compared to where they came from.

>>63921593 (OP)
No. They use outdated tactics (even by vatnik standards) and can't communicate with the russians- so they always get deployed separately.

Reports show them acting confused when encountering drones and other "modern" weaponry.

They are terrified of being captured and keep blowing themselves up with grenades or just straight out blow their brains out when cut off their unit.

The poor bastards are even more disposable than the Russian grunts

>>63923924
Also they are unprepared to the combined brainrot of western media they now can access on their phone.

>>63922188

The Finns are white walkers, it's not fair if you are fighting in the snow. A professional will defeat the white walkers in any other terrain.

>>63923924
In societies where communism and extreme poverty are the norm, frequent theft is widely considered normal.
People take what they can in order to survive, and everyone does it. That was the case in Stalin's Soviet union, Maoist China, and current day north Korea.
Historically, even people with good government jobs, working in offices, would steal various supplies, furniture, slight bulbs, etc, to sell on the black market.
Everyone did it. If someone refrained from doing so they were treated with suspicion and ostracized as suspected feds and snitches.

>>63921600
Both sides of cube
Praise to cube.

>>63922188
>muh joint training exercise
Nobody in their right mind gives a shit about those.

>>63924182
Says a lot about how motivated your shitty "professional" military is. You'd get buttfucked by any conscript army.

>>63921689
Norktard you forgot your trip code.

at that level, meat is meat. i don't think it matters.

Are there any norks figting still or have they gone home after Kursk is mostly over?

>>63924227
Supposedly most of them have been expended, but it seems putin is trying to buy more of them.
It remains to be seen if Kim agrees, but he might, given that russians buying up slave soldiers and ancient military hardware has quadrupled the size of the nork economy in the last couple years.

>>63924227
There are still lots of them. The Russians supposedly integrated several Nork brigades into their own forces.

>>63924569
>The Russians supposedly integrated several Nork brigades into their own forces.
So you're telling me they were ground up and compressed into the same cubes?
The norks have been gone since the extremely costly, semi-successful push to retake Kursk.

Bump

>>63921673
i remember reading that being in the army is actually desirable because they get fed before the rest of the peasants and are less affected by starvation and shortages. iirc your entire family has to be in good standing with the party to even be able to serve.

>No .webm
GET FUCKED
>>63921673
Think about what you just said.

>>63922188
Even setting aside this post could be leaving out extremely important details, the part that raises my eyebrow is the claim of minefields "hundreds of meters" in depth. How many fucking people would you need to carry those in by hand?

>>63926114
Do you think first world countries still deploy defensive minefields by hand?

>>63921593 (OP)
General post-Kursk analysis by people who know what they're talking about usually deem them pretty solid soldiers which makes sense given that they are SOF. It seems at first they used tactics much different from the Russians, large company scale attacks with ~150-300 troops and some armored vehicles but with a lot of troops on foot. Obviously these got broken up by drones and artillery most of the time so they eventually started adapting to using Russian tactics of sending small units forward across a broad front until they find a weak spot and sending more small units there (while the original surviving waves take cover and wait) until they hit a critical mass of troops that can overrun defenders with numbers. They were generally seen as better than the Russians for he simple reason that they were a lot more motivated and willing to risk their lives. Granted the effectiveness of this on he battlefield at a strategic scale is limited, but it does have some effect at a tactical level. So overall they are better than ziggers but not in ways large enough to really differentiate them in terms of commanders picking who goes where. They may lend a slight increase in effectiveness for the vanguard units in an assault I guess.

>>63926114
Oh you sweet summer child... It's only a 10kg disc of destruction. Every soldier has at least one and the use of it comes as second weapon you train with in basic training after the assault rifle. And then comes the sappers.

>>63926141
Artillery deployed mines are not at all what's described in the image
>>63926370
So realistically you're not carrying more than a couple along with the rest of your gear, so my point remains: how do you create a several hundred meter deep minefield that fucks an entire enemy battalion unless you're "infiltrating" a company or more worth of troops to the enemy rear? The only way I see that being feasible is if the Norwegians only had a very narrow retreat route available, or the front was so porous that for all intents the Finns had free movement and probably outnumbered the Norwegians in the exercise

>>63926440
Don't forget it's winter, they had ahkio's too. A squad can do with one mine each a 50x50 meter minefield. You send a platoon for a mission to mine the enemy's rear, you have more than that with you. And well, the several hundred is not a specific number, it's more than 100, so it might be 200-300m section of road/forest. (I wasn't there)

Retard question, what happens to Norks who are too seriously wounded for continued service (like missing body parts and shit)? Are they sent home to North Korea or are they being kept in Russia so they don't bring tales of the outside world back home?

>>63926114
About a company of engineers can build that no problem. A man can carry 4-6 mines on his person and if they had sleds that makes the job even easier.

>>63926635
You don't even need a company. A platoon is enough to build a series of minefield obstacles and ambushes with several hundreds of meters in depth.

>>63926440
>Norwegians only had a very narrow retreat route available
Uh yeah? Have you even been to Norway? The terrain is utterly impassable on vehicles for the most part. If a road gets mined there's no alternative routes.

Bump

>>63921593 (OP)
Is this the one where the drone jukes and manages to get one did to shoot the other in the process?

Better, significantly so. Their NCOs and Officers (Officers especially) are an order of magnitude better than their Russian counterparts.

>>63921689
Sounds like a hell of a lot of propaganda.

>>63928607
That's from Ukraine, why would they lie about it when they are honest about everything else in regards to enemy troop quality?

>>63926114
yeah whenever I hear stories about how finns trounce everyone in war games, I can't help but suspect there might be some light-speed bike messenger shenanigans going on.

>>63928645
>light-speed bike messenger
That's one way to describe the Noospheric Communications Manifold, I guess.

>>63926082
think it's a screenshot from this vid.

>>63926504
they did do a little memorial thing it seems, but idk what they'd do with the regular wounded. maybe those guys are sitting in some cushy positions now in like a vet hospital for propaganda/shutting them up purposes? could be they just execute and mourn them so they can't say shit, but with NK it's hard to know anything for certain.

>>63928867
>>63926504

A while back some Russians on Telegram were talking about how hospitals in Moscow had separate wards set aside for them, supposedly decent medical treatment is part of the deal. Some were complaining that they were getting better treatment than Russians.

It coincided with a somewhat mysterious visit by their Chief Commissar and was right after the 'incidents' with Chechens so it seems they are reasonably well cared for. Recently they made a big deal about retirement homes and care for disabled solders as well. All indications are that they are treated decently or at least better than your typical Russian.

>>63921673
The men sent to Ukraine are part of the NK's special forces brigades. They must do more than the average conscript.
And it's funny how NK has about 200k "special forces" troops.

>>63929728
They have an amazing number of highly specialized troops, like the Submarine Sniper Brigades which are a divisions worth of guys meant to deploy via semi submersibles, fishing boats and small subs via scuba gear.

>>63926749
>Uh yeah? Have you even been to Norway?
No

>>63926749
>>63926440
>>63930552
I imagine it would like getting cut off in a northern section of rural Maine; if you can't use the road there are no other roads.

>>63930571
Yeah, and that one curvy road is where it is because it can't exist anywhere else, because everywhere else is made of forested hills, mountains or a rocky coastline or something.
Most of Finland's kind of like that too, except instead of mountains there usually are 10000 mosquito-filled bogs and lakes in the way.

>>63932014
>instead of mountains there usually are 10000 mosquito-filled bogs and lakes in the way.
Maine has both at the same time, mountains and bogs.

>>63921633
I will give what some russian said in whatever zigger newsshow or w/e it was from some merit here. The news anchor or host asked a question that implied very much what you say and he answered
>The method of recruitment does not determine the quality of a soldier, training and motivation does

>>63932062
Boggy mountains and mountanous bogs?

>>63932062
Huh, dropped a Google Street View marker on some rural Maine road.
That does look a lot like northern yurop, except with more truggs and overhead power lines.

>>63926171
This can be explained, nigger. They're not better, they're just fresh, the ruzzian orks are fighting this war for 3-4 years and know how miserable their situation is. The norks had no idea what was going on there on the ground, reports are reports alright but I don't think they got the whole image cause they would just turn 360 degrees and walk away. So, they're just fresher troops willing to take more risks and do stupid shit cause they've simply not been in the game that long. Plus great leader etc etc bs.

>>63932085
Yes. Beavers.

>>63932165
That isn't real rural Maine, that is a suburb. I My place is 16 miles down a dirt logging road, i use a snowmachine 4 months out of the year.

>>63932184
2nd LTs who are in their 30s and monthly training from age 15 helps a bit, a 23 year old North Korean soldier has had 8-9 years of training. That is slightly better than 2-3 weeks.

>>63926440
Lmao, non-winter retards don't understand that it's actually easier to move shit in the winter, like a lot of shit. Pic rel, just pack that shit up to the brim with mines and you're off to the races. Not even hard to pull.

>>63926370
And yes, mines are the one thing along with the rifle that every conscript gets to handle. I'm AA and we got trained how to use them, along with "command-mode" claymores. Also the military uses AT mines as replacements for any missing gear during marches. If you didn't pack that second pair of socks for a march, they'll give you a mine as a replacement when they check your gear. Forgot your gloves too that were ordered to be packed in the middle of summer? Have another mine.

>>63932308
Alright, but what type of training? If it's the 60s shit it's hardly effective in modern combat. But I guess the stamina comes in hand.

>>63932391
From 15-17 everyone does WPK Guard, basically militarized boy scouts. The rest is pretty standard if they are in elite units.

The big deal is that they have a NCO system comparable to that of a western military and a unique officer system. Their officers receive the same sort of thing you would expect, 3 years on a military academy ect. The huge difference is to be considered as a cadet a tour of (voluntary) prior enlisted service is mandatory.

So a typical Lt is in his early 30s, spent 8 years as a NCO, 3 years officer training then signed up for at least another 8 years.

They have an entire separate reserve service branch for 'retired' officers and senior NCOs to keep up to date in case they are needed in wartime, the obvious drawback of their officer system is the huge amount of time it takes to make officers.

>>63932351
>You have to carry all of the mines

>>63932351
>it's actually easier to move shit in the winter


Can confirm, behold Norktards 1/3rd ton ice fishing shack that doubles as a sauna the rest of the year: We haul this thing 6-7 miles through the woods twice a year.

>>63932527
>The huge difference is to be considered as a cadet a tour of (voluntary) prior enlisted service is mandatory.
That's normal in many places. It's the German model.

>>63932602
The Germans require 8 years of service before you can apply to be a Officer?

>>63932602
>Career officers usually start out as enlisted personnel with the lowest rank in one of the three officer candidate battalions of the German Army located in Hammelburg, Idar-Oberstein and Munster. After six months of officer candidate training course in these battalions, containing basic military drill, military law and history, the officer candidates proceed with the Officer's Course 1.

This is different, the Norks need a full tour before they can apply. Imagine if the Germans needed to be a platoon sergeant to even be considered.

>>63923936
So no different from the Russian mobiks then?

>>63932709
Far better motivated and physically conditioned. Also they can't be deployed near Chechens, the Norks just shoot them when they try their bullshit.

>>63932739
>Also they can't be deployed near Chechens, the Norks just shoot them when they try their bullshit.
Woah, so you are telling me to to stop a chechen rapist you just shoot them? Why have no one told the russians they can just shoot the rapist instead of getting raped?

>>63932925
There were several 'cultural misunderstandings' early on, one of which escalated to involve a group of Chechens getting ambushed with AT missiles.

Apparently no one informed them that you shouldn't talk shit to the guys who punch holes in cinder blocks for fun. Seriously, who the fuck thinks 'oh look a North Korean Commissar, let's go fuck with him in front of his troops?'

>>63921593 (OP)
They’re dying for ZOG at this very moment.

>>63933223
Worth it for what they are getting paid both militarily and economically. Just the greenhouses alone are worth every life, when you add up what they are getting each one of those guys probably improved the lives of thousands back home.

>>63922342
Thank you. It needed to be said.

>>63924212
A military training exercise isn't about winning or losing. Most of the situations are designed with one side meant for winning or losing in order to test the functionality of specific aspects of doctrine and training.

>>63933209
Norktard...

>>63933736
Yes? I might be crazy but i'm not wrong.

>>63933736
Fag

>>63934037
The whiners are idiots, I meam I know when it's you and kudos to you for not tripfagging, I wish these mongs didn't keep calling you out

>>63926114
>>63926440
Why are you assuming that they are on foot?

>>63934055
>The whiners are idiots, I mean I know when it's you and kudos to you for not tripfagging, I wish these mongs didn't keep calling you out

Thank you, i really appreciate it. I don't know your name but i consider you a friend who has followed my rantings anon. I may never know your name but know that i respect you.

Please let me ruin this emotional moment by posting Nork propaganda:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gknEO820n00&list=RDV-4N0xBpU38&inde

>>63921593 (OP)
Fortified Taras here.
We've all seen the unpacking of the liquidated North Korean company commander.
Conclusions from what we saw:
Carried two guns. An assault rifle and a shotgun (to shoot down drones)
Was with his soldiers. The company man's rank is major. No Russian major is ever in the trenches.
Carried a decent supply of ammunition.
Personally, I think this was a pretty good officer.
But it's probably an elite unit.
One thousandth of the entire army.
The rest of the DPRK army is probably much worse - a construction crew.

>>63934170
Note that the DPRK made a National Holiday about their losses, Russia refuses to admit there is a war.

The DPRK has properly respected their hero's, no one else has. Kim has respected them, Putin does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUf3tqT4IDY&list=RDqUf3tqT4IDY&start_radio=1

The way Russia disrespects the Chosen who are dying for them really pisses me off, a Choson life is not worth a single inch of Russian soil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUf3tqT4IDY&list=RDqUf3tqT4IDY&start_radio=1

>>63929055
>Some were complaining that they were getting better treatment than Russians.
Russsians are third class citizens in Russia

>>63934230
Fuck off back to your commie shithole you traitorous fuck

>>63934230
If you're korean I'll say this to you.
Try to convince people that being a Russian ally is a one sided deal. Save yourself the problems.

>>63934239
As they should be treated compared to the Nork troops.

>>63934243
You just fucked up twice. First: The DPRK aren't Commies, they are a Monarchy. Second, i've been a part of the Trump Campaign since 2016 so you are the traitor not me. MAGA JUCHE is a real thing.

>>63934249
I'm not Korean. My goal is an alliance between the USA and DPRK, that is what i want. Nixon went to China, i want Trump to go to Pyongyang. North Korea and the USA should be allies.

>>63934326
>i've been a part of the Trump Campaign since 2016 so you are the traitor not me. MAGA JUCHE is a real thing.
We know you have a toolbox-worth of loose screws but we keep you around because you're entertaining.

How does MAGA square with your support for Ukraine?

>>63934333
>How does MAGA square with your support for Ukraine?

Easy answer.

As long as the DPRK supports Russia the more Russia destroys itself. China and the DPRK both want to see Russia ruined, they are both supporting Russia so it self destructs.

When the war is over the DPRK will have taken enough resources and technology from Russia to become a global power and will have enough nukes to deter the PRC.

Since the DPRK has already proven itself to be a global level weapons supplier, the backstab inherent in a USA/DPRK alliance becomes clear.

>>63921593 (OP)
They're younger, less drunk, and have received at least some training

>>63934406
>They're younger

No they are not.

The average age of a North Korean soldier is 23-25, the junior Officers and NCOs are in their early 30s or early 40s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1LFD6xfi4&list=RDqUf3tqT4IDY&index=2

>>63934404
How do you feel about >>63922532

>>63936413
Nonsensical AI trash. The images lack continuity, they could tell a story but they are disjointed which is a shame as it has the potential to tell a good story.

The AI needs to do better.