Why aren't semi autos more popular for hunting? We had the remington model 8 in .35 rem and the winchester 1907 .351 WSL which are both adequate durr rounds back in 1905/1907. That would have been after 1903 when the NRA started selling 1903s and possibly after the 1892 krag and .30-40 army hit the surplus market but well before the inflection point of WWI when all the conscripts were trained on bolt guns and the market was flooded with WWI surplus bolt guns and ammo
Were the semi autos just too expensive and heavy compared to the surplus rifles? I think only PA and like one other state actually have laws against semi auto hunting

Because there was, and still is, the idea that you shouldn’t really need a fast follow-up shot because if you can’t do it in one, you shouldn’t be doing it. Outside of hog hunting of course

>>63922081
kind of funny that straight pulls are becoming so popular in yuroland some of them are showing up on American hunting guntuber channels

>>63922035 (OP)
Artificial limitations in many places and it's not just Europe either

>>63922099
Straight pulls always were at least popular-ish here. I personally loathe something like a Blaser R8 because it has no military pedigree at all - the whole firing mechanism comes off if you take the mag out too, ffs

>>63922035 (OP)
>Were the semi autos just too expensive and heavy compared to the surplus rifles?
Yeah, pretty much. The vast majority of hunters in the US until fairly recently were doing it for subsistence reasons and were on a budget, so using a cheap surplus bolt action made much more sense than buying an expensive and often finnicky semi-auto (until the 90s, the most available and cheapest semi auto rifles would be surplus M1 Garands (large and cumbersome, cannot be easily sporterized) and M1 Carbines (considered underpowered for deer, sub-100yd effective range)). Also, people assumed semis were inherently less accurate due to lack of easily accessible information via the internet.

I have a Remington 81 (successor to 8) and I think at least with those they are finicky and also very heavy. Mine jams pretty regularly

>>63922381
>just put the sling swivel directly on the barrels shroud

>>63922381
>that buttpad
I bet that gun needs it and I bet it was done at least 60 years ago, but lel

>>63922081
>because if you can’t do it in one, you shouldn’t be doing it
It's not just that, it's that you rarely get the opportunity for follow-up shots anyway. It's not like the game just stands there, the moment a gunshot goes off then shit starts running.

>>63922099
Fast follow up shots can make sense for driven hunts but those are rare in the US.

>>63923116
it's just weird that spomer, USOG, backfire and I think TFBTV have shilled those modern straight pull hunting guns

>>63922121
Isn't there a military sniper version of the Blaser R8 ?

>>63922035 (OP)
bolt actions are generally lighter and more accurate which makes more sense for hunting as you are walking around more than shooting.
that being said you can still hunt with a semi auto if you want to

>>63924851
>5 MOA surplus World War bolt gun is more accurate than AR-15

>>63922035 (OP)
Because they weigh more for little gain.

>>63924874
You know they make new bolt actions, right? And back when nuggets were $70, ARs started at $700.

>>63922035 (OP)
People hunted differently back in the day than they do now. For one, a man might shoot multiple animals at one time so having a faster second shot was nice. People also did driven hunts more often, with both people and dogs doing the driving, and having the ability to shoot again immediately after missing is useful.
There's also the fact that a man could potentially run into bandits when the Model 8 and Winchester autoloaders came out so having a rifle you could fight with was more of a concern.

>>63925218

>>63925218
ron spomer said his first durr was as part of a firing line. Like someone got the durr running I guess with dogs and then everyone took turns trying to shoot the thing as it ran past

>>63922035 (OP)
Have you ever shot a model 8/81?
>>63922381
What ammo are you using? Mine feeds perfectly with Remington 200/180gr

>>63925277
>Have you ever shot a model 8/81?
nope

>>63925280
You'll have your answer once you do.
Also after years of using Hornady 200gr leverlution with no issues my extractor sheered. A new one isnt that much but its more of a pain in the ass to fix.
So buyer beware, might just want to stick with reloads and Remington ammo

>>63922035 (OP)
Manual actions are cheaper to design and manufacture.

>>63925324
ARs are cheaper than lever guns
>>63925322
recoil that ass?

>>63925274
My grandpa grew up doing driven hunts, both as the driver and the shooter. He enjoyed it more than modern stand hunting.
Hunting used to be more of a group activity and people used to move a lot more while doing it. Even when people hunted alone, most of them stalked until the 70s or 80s.

>>63925362
that's what cap and ball does on jewtube. the stalking thing. he follows animals around on his own with a black powder gun until he can get close enough to take a shot

>>63925382
Most European hunters do. I would like to myself, but moving around during hunting season like that gets a bit hairy around here.

>>63925391
yeah only reason I hunt from a stand is to avoid getting shot. Otherwise I would totally stalk, though I do it sometimes during muzzleloader season.

>>63923299
They had large non American audiences so it makes sense. People want to see reviews on things they can actually own.

>>63925419
I'm pretty sure USOG is a leaf, but yeah I guess you are right

>>63925277
I have only used Hornady Lever revolution

>>63925346
ARs have a collective eternity of development time. If you were designing from scratch that wouldn't be the case and ARs would be expensive again.

>>63925481
Roundnose stuff seems to work better ime

>>63922035 (OP)
>Why aren't semi autos more popular for hunting?
Boomers.

>>63922081
>you shouldn’t really need a fast follow-up
Its a good thing bears are so easily scared off

>>63923116
>but those are rare in the US.
What are you talking about? Deer drives are very common in the midwest.

>>63923324
The R93 but it's not the same rifle

>>63922121
But why? It's a modular hunting rifle designed for suitcase travel that reliably shoots 1 MOA all day and easily complies with most countries' hunting and - importantly - storage laws. It's simply a purebred hunting rifle for the international big game hunter. No military pedigree needed. Blaser is overrated and overpriced for what it is, though.

>>63925676
semi autos are very popular on any hunting of fast moving game. lots of semi shotguns are used. with rifles they dont offer any advantage outside of driven hunts. in the US driven hunting is a regional thing and in most places its just not practical safety wise. other actions will be lighter and more handy if you are just out to shoot a cervid.

>>63925889
> rare thing is common (in my region) therefore is universally common
> rare means doesnt exist anywhere
are you an idiot?

>>63924874
Showing your youth.

Savage model 110, named for it's original retail price : about 7 pounds, 1-2 moa (in my experience), in production since 1958. Compare that to its contemporary semi-auto counterparts; and for hunting it comes out on top just about every single time until very recently. That's a hell of a lot of social/cultural inertia that a semi-auto has to overcome. Also the simple fact that bolt actions are more than sufficient to get the job done, so why spend more if you don't have to?
Seriously kid, think a little before you open your mouth. Better to let everyone suspect you're an idiot than to speak and confirm the fact.

>>63927115
Calling an event "rare" implies it barely ever happens. Something practiced commonly in a region of the US makes it not rare by definition. Open a dictionary sometime, retard.

>>63927125
Take your meds grandpa

>>63925796
that's just grizzlies and polar bears. Black bears will run off
>>63926799
straight pulls are gay, thoughbeit

>>63927101
semi auto shotguns aren't the same as semi auto rifles. even bongistan allows bong subjects to own semi auto shotguns. it's considered a fudd gun
>>63927125
Why would someone spend $110 on a rifle in 1958 when you could get WWII surplus for like $12, you gay retard?

>>63927527
why pay a little more for a decent hunting rifle instead of paying less for a beat to shit heavy war surplus specimen? Some people are poor, others are just stupid. Some, like yourself, are both.

>>63928824
>just pay 10 times more
you are one gay, no gunz, retard

Bolt actions or the like are typically lighter, cheaper, and can be more accurate for less money. $500 can get you a Ruger American rifle, cheap scope, and rings and the thing weighs like 7-8 lbs loaded. That's a lot more palletable to Bubba in Alabama who just wants to blast a deer out of his truck and go about his day. I've got an old H&R Handi Rifle youth model with a Redfield scope on it or something and paid like 400 for the set up out the door. It's a single shot .243, but that alone is plenty for most Southern hunting.

>>63922035 (OP)
because a new semi auto rifle design is going to be $1600 with the cheapest shit plastic or plywood furniture while a used .30-30 or new shotgun is half the price

I enjoy single shots. They’re so light and handy. Also the actions are inherently shorter so you can get more barrel length for the same overall profile as most bolts/semis/levers

>>63925218
>>63922035 (OP)
people varmint with AK's in the south

>>63925632
>have a collective eternity of development time
lever guns predate the AR15 by a fucking century

>>63927527
>Why would someone spend $110 on a rifle in 1958 when you could get WWII surplus for like $12, you gay retard?

First of all, it wasn't 12 dollars. An M1 garand (a semi-auto) was going for $107.50; the sniper garand was going for $139.95. Don't bother bringing up the mil surp bolt actions because that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about semi-auto vs bolt. In 1964 (which is the first year the ar-15 was available to the public I think) the ar-15 cost $189.50.

If you do want to bring mil surp bolt actions into the conversation; remember they aren't ready to accept a scope, they're heavy to be lugging around hunting, and their condition and accuracy is questionable. Whereas a new out of the box hunting rifle is light, ready to take a scope, and will certainly be accurate.

$100 give or take about a Hamilton was what you paid for a nice, relatively inexpensive, hunting rifle at the time.

Remember that part about letting folks think you're an idiot instead of confirming it?

>>63929252
>Don't bother bringing up the mil surp bolt actions because that's not what we're talking about.
that's literally what we are talking about you gay ESL retard. We were talking about milsurp bolts. not my fault you are retarded and have shit reading comprehension

>>63927527
because WW2 milsurp weighs a metric fuckton and doesnt come with scope mounts or half the time Ammo you can actually get from the hardware store
american factory 9mm wasnt even in Spec back then, you had to replace the springs on walthers because american ammo manufacturers loaded 9mm to 38 special velocity until like the 1980s

>>63929283
>>63929252
you could get milsurp ammo and you just had to cut down the stock and barrel and pay someone to drill holes
sporter conversions existed and were common you gay retards