Thread 63922064

>>63922064 (OP)
>F4 Phantom’s older sister who has the prettier face, but uglier body.

>>63922064 (OP)
The biggest tragedy of the Cold War was that this thing never dropped bombs in anger

>>63922143
Some these aircraft were sexy as fuck but never got a kill
>>63922147
There is something definitively early cold war about that bomber.

>>63922147
>in anger
So tired of hearing this faggot phrase, get a new one.

It's interesting that air-to-air missiles could not keep up with the evolution of aircraft designs and engines, and for a while they had to make do with machine guns and unguided rockets.

>>63922573
Its more a case of early missiles being unreliable more than anything especially with factors like weather having a huge impact on their ability to lock and aim. Even if they did hit most were lucky to get a kill rate within the 10%-20% margins. Wasn't really till the late 70's that there was an air-to-air missile capable of an over 50% consistent hit rate.

The Flexistowe Fury (pictured) first flew hours before the armistice, but it would have been the largest combat flying boat of the War had it entered service. The aircraft would have served in maritime patrol and bomber roles.

Still a Virgin, balloons don't count

The Vickers Destroyer (either the second or third development pictured) was a type ahead of its time with the first rendition flying in 1912, it was intended to be a dedicated combat aircraft and was the first of such a type in Britain. It was cancelled though due to the progress of technology and aerodynamics. A slightly more streamlined version, the Vickers Gunbus saw widespread service in the early years of WWI (though it did not enter service until after the war's onset), though, personally, I think the Destroyer has a much better sounding name and it would have been nice to have seen the type enter service as this could have potentially shortened the duration of WWI.

This one actually survives today in Omaka New Zealand.

The Caproni Ca.22 (pictured), Ca. 23 and Ca. 24 were another family of types that were ahead of their time. These aircraft were parasol monoplanes, as evident by the picture and were very aerodynamically clean, when lend itself superior performance to most aircraft of the time (for reference, the Ca. 22 first flew in 1913). However, after a crash of a crash which had killed a test pilot led to the Italians rejecting an operational version of the type to enter service.

That said this sort of design prevailed with aircraft starting in 1916 and not concluding until the 1930s. Some parasol monoplanes of French and German origin from WWI and the years immediately following it remain airworthy to this day.

>>63922911
Forgot the picture like a dumbass. That is all for today, I might contribute some more tomorrow.

>>63922855
lost tech at this point

>>63922815
Damn that would have been fun to bomb brown people from in the colonies!
>>63922855
>the kid will never eat
>>63922862
Does it count though as never really entered service?

Anyway pic related
>Claims it got a kill
>What it was it tried to ram a U-2 and failed
>Later U-2 shot down by SA-2
Tried to insert itself inside a spy plane and failed to gain entry!

>>63922465
Zoomers getting assmad about old expressions is the 2025 meta.

She was too pure for this world.

>>63922855
kek, yeah using a rubber doesn't count

>>63922064 (OP)
Except possibly that C-130 if the stories are to be believed

>>63923553
Lightning did get some kills though?

>>63923040
VVS-PVO is an overlooked branch. their pre Mig-25 days were intaresting.

>>63922280
Isn’t the Scimitar the one that was designed without a landing gear?

>>63922064 (OP)
the delta kino

>>63923040
I would say that it does count out its successor was used extensively in combat.

>>63922143
I rub the nose of this exact plane every day. Demon, by beloved.

>>63922064 (OP)
>>63922143
That entire generation of naval aviation was just cursed to never see combat. They were unfortunate enough to be born in a period of rapid advancement that rendered them obsolete within a few years of entering service as well as a gap between major wars the US was involved in.
>>63922280
>Scimitar
Got plenty of kills on itself, which is a shame since it's a good looking plane.
>>63923729
They used a modified Sea Vampire and IIRC some other plane for this, but not the Scimitar.

>>63922916
Neat design, in my opinion.

>>63922855
Might as well sell them to ukies so they can get a kill or ten. Not like they'll be used before they're replaced anyway.

>>63922064 (OP)
skyray is cute

>>63922147
>Called "Peacemaker"
>Never dropped a bomb in anger
Sound like it did it's job

>>63926367
If it dropped bombs it would have become the Piecemaker!

>>63924354
It did get some action against drones though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzi-SFqEScY

>>63922147
Got to climb around on a wrecked one. Really quite ridiculously huge

>>63925468
>Might as well sell them to ukies
Why sell? Just do some flying tigers shit, have US pilots fly in Ukraine and mog pidors kek

>>63922855
It does count you retarded insect, those chink spy balloons were massive.

>Overshadowed by the B-36 that came before and the B-52 that came after
>Not some prototype like the XB-70 that gains a ton of attention even today
>Never even dropped bombs in conventional combat
I still like it.

>>63923525
I cry every time

>>63922465
>Has probably only heard this phrase a handful of times in his entire life
>It's also just a basic expression
>Is tired of it and seething
What a soft generation you lot are.

>>63927553
Shame it had a reputation for being unsafe due to the way they abused her.

There is also a possibility she scored a kill against Soviets sent to intercept her but we may never know as the Commies aren't forthcoming about what happened their end.

>>63927617
From "I like" to "I love." And people complain that the F-104 was used unsafely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqIJL8lx00o

The bomber everyone forgot existed!

>>63932081
Set some supersonic point to point records over the US before NIMBYS got all pissy about Concorde. Didn't on do a circumnavigation?

>>63932081
>everyone forgot
Getting screwed over by macnamara doesn´t make it forgettable.

Unless you were talking about the b-50, then sure.

>>63932208
>B-50
Wasn't it just for all purposes a B-29 with different engines when it boiled down to it?

>>63932300
Pretty much. Add some turboprops and away you go.

>>63927553
Wasn’t this thing an absolute pain to fly? I watched some old ass movie about it with the last destination being Japan iirc and the pilot suffering like crazy due to shit ergonomics and cramped cockpit.

>>63922855
what's behind the renault badge?

>>63927402
and? they were mostly hot air

>>63924354
A live Genie was fired exactly once.

>>63924354
Reminder that the Air National Guard Delta Darts won three times against USAAF's brand new F-16s during Dissimilar Air Combat Training in 1984.

>smug F-16 pilots tell that you're allowed to use all weapons, because the F-106 is obviously antiquated
>National Guard giggling.mp3
>plays go up
>minutes later, splash two boogies
>F-16wut.jpg
>the F-106s launched a Genie at them
>the other two rounds, without the Genie, they still managed to easily beat the F-16s

>>63933989
>STRATEGIC LAUNCH DETECTED

>>63923527
nah it's more like using an onahole

>>63933841
Like everything from China.

>>63922064 (OP)
That thing is a lot of fun in Warthunder sim, I pretend it's a snowspeeder

#1 Best Rotting in Boneyard Award

>>63933931
>>63933989
The actual account is far more interesting:

F-106 vs F-16
DARTS vs VIPERS Two Air Defense Interceptor Pilots vs Two Tactical Fighter Pilots By S. Michael Townsend, LTC, USAF (Ret.) “Viper 1, Pierre, Bucko, Genie, FMO, Rafsob” Circa 1984

I was a Captain stationed at Tyndall AFB as an F-106 Instructor. This day my wingman, a fellow Captain and Instructor, and I were scheduled for Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT) with two F-16s from Shaw AFB. I was to be the Instructor for the training on the Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Range (ACMI) over the Gulf of Mexico, a highly accurate tracking system that would record all maneuvers in the airspace by the aircraft, score all shots taken and simulate any kills. None of us had ever fought against the other type fighter. Tactical Air Command pilots considered Air Defense pilots a lesser breed.

I started the preflight briefing after introductions with the Lieutenant Colonel (LTC) and his wingman a Lieutenant (LT). The LTC immediately interrupted and informed me that he had no idea why they were scheduled for DACT with aircraft that were far inferior to the F-16 and that it would not be much of a challenge for them resulting in very little effective training. He stated that we should engage with full up all weapons capability for both fighter types even stating that though they only had heaters (heat seeking missiles) and guns he saw no disadvantage for them. I hid the fact that he had pissed us off and verified that he meant for us to use the full weapons capability of the F-106. He replied, of course you can! Obviously he had no idea what we carried between our legs, a clueless state of mind! I smiled as I looked at my wingman while stroking the inside of my thigh; this pecker checker was going to get hammered when the Genie popped up!

>cont

>>63935019
I briefed the LTC to take his flight to the farthest most southern point of the airspace and be prepared to attack the coastline that we would defend. We would place ourselves on “Five” (five minute alert) and scramble when we saw him takeoff giving him the advantage of being ready when we arrived. I told him to be sure to look at the F-106 ramp on takeoff to verify that we there on “Five” and this would be important during the debrief. We briefed two engagements followed by join up for 1v1 basic fighter maneuvers (BFM), him versus me and the wingmen against each other.

The fun began as they lifted off and saw us on the edge of the ramp, “communicating”, with a raised finger over two rising moons! We had a hard time getting our crew chiefs to stop laughing so we could launch. A gate (full afterburner) climb to 41,000 feet put us in the airspace in 6 minutes when I called “fight’s on”! I felt sorry for my wingman because he would not get a shot on this first engagement. One minute later I called “Fox 3, KILL, two F-16s north bound at 18,000 feet. Nock- it off, nock-it off, fights over, return to your safe area,” was immediately passed to the Viper pilots. The LTC was so confused that the ground control intercept (GCI) controller had to tell him he had been shot by a “NUC” (Genie nuclear tipped rocket) and that him and his wingman were DEAD so return to your point! I told GCI to inform him that we had one more Genie but that we wouldn’t use it on the next engagement.

Score: Darts 2, Vipers 0

>cont

>>63935030
I put my wingman in four mile trail as we began the next engagement from 41,000 feet at 1.2 MACH racing down to their altitude of 18,000 feet, dumb a - - he didn’t even change his altitude to make it harder on us. Since they had face heaters (firing heat seekers in our face), we cooled our jets by retarding the engines to idle power to cool them off and denying the face shot while maintaining supersonic on our downhill slide. They took the bait, the leader rolled out behind me, the wingman behind mine. We had them right where we wanted them! Not even an F-16 can sustain a climb followed by a 9 G turn and roll out 2 miles behind a supersonic target and chase them down so the missile will make the kill. The leader found himself in front of my wingman who easily “Doe popped” him with two missiles while outrunning the F-16 wingman.

Score: Darts 1, Vipers 0

After a fuel check we split for 1v1 BFM. Starting from line abreast each fighter turns 45 degrees away from the other to gain spacing. At the fight’s on call the fighters turn toward each other passing canopy to canopy with no advantage. The knife fight begins in earnest as they turn to gain six o’clock on the other for a guns kill. Hands are helpful in explaining what happens next. Obviously the Viper can out turn a Dart and the LTC was behind me closing for guns! My next maneuver required exact timing or it would turn out all bad. As he closed for the shot I presented him with the infamous “F-106 Barn Door”. This is a frightening experience for anyone who has never seen the Dart act in such an unbelievable aerodynamic manner. Never attempt this maneuver at home as it should only be done by a highly trained and experienced Dart driver!

>cont

P.S by face heaters they probably mean Aim 9L's, right?

>>63935062
With him captured solidly at my six, in a hard four G turn, closing for the kill, fangs out and dripping, I held the G while applying full opposite rudder. The Dart responds beautifully with an opposite direction roll through the vertical to a full nose down dive where I apply full afterburner and dash for the deck. From the Viper’s cockpit it looked just like someone opened a barn door in his face, nowhere to go and no idea what to do. Suddenly the Dart disappears. His only option was to call nock-it off because he lost sight having never squeezed the trigger. Meanwhile our wingman had to nock-it off because the LT was low on fuel.

Score: Darts 0, Vipers 0

I sent the Vipers home and my wingman and I played for a while. My debriefing was short and sweet. The Fighter pilots had to fly again to get some real training. It went something like this: Know your enemy. Never underestimate your enemy. Never enter a gun fight with a knife. Never engage an enemy when you don’t have a clue. Lose sight lose the fight. Pecker checkers should be well endowed. When the Genie pops up, you’re goanna die! Nothing was ever said about the moons, I believe we “communicated” effectively!

Final Score: Darts 3, Vipers 0 America remained safe from attack!!

S. Michael Townsend, LTC, USAF Ret. “Viper 1, Pierre, Bucko, Genie, FMO, Rafsob”

>>63935019
>>63935030
>>63935062
>>63935081
Nice write up anon.
Its often quite a common story repeated throughout many a chair force in that fags with new planes think they're massive hotshots going against old obsolete aircraft forgetting that the pilots of older aircraft have been flying them forever and know every trick in the book to squeeze every advantage possible in a dogfight.

Like that one time during an exercise when an F-5 was "shot down" by a Blackburn Buccaneer dropping a bomb on the F-5 trying to chase it.

>>63934062
based SupCom enjoyer

>>63922465
Fine. Never dropped a bomb like a zoomer making a phone call.

>>63922855
Wait till next year when China invades Taiwan to see this thing downing J-20s left and right.

So far nothing!... for now

>>63932309
>turboprops
>B-50
Perhaps you are thinking of a different bird, or a developmental one-off.

>>63936198
>implying they don't already have kills
Maybe not documented, until both sides thoroughly dig through all available evidence from the last slap-fight

>>63936064
>Implying J-20's even work

>>63932081
Who could forget that voice ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex5LYTuCU0s

>>63933672
>Wasn’t this thing an absolute pain to fly?
That's what I've heard.

>One problem with the aircraft was that at higher altitudes, where the pure turbojet engines could produce good fuel economy, the wing was very compromised. At the top of the B-47's envelope, about 35,000 feet (11,000 m), it was in "coffin corner".[49] That means that at this level, which produced the most range at most weights due to fuel consumption, there was an envelope of 5 kn (9.3 km/h) between maximum mach and stall speed. For the B-47 to cross the Atlantic Ocean, it had to be flown this high. Due to its rudimentary autopilot, the pilot had to leave it turned off and spend up to eight hours diligently monitoring the airspeed and adjusting the throttles to avoid going into a stall.

>>63922855
>menopausal
oh joy

>>63936198
This little thing is so cool. Getting up there in years though.

Does it still count if a nuclear bomber never drops bombs, but performs recoinanssance missions in hostile territory? Like the vigilante or the mirage iv.

>>63939699
Nuclear bombers are intended to never perform the deed.
Pic could nuke your ass back in the day.

Speaking of the mirage iv, there's a very good explanation of how it worked from a former pilot, alongside walkthroughs for other french planes.

https://youtu.be/_pGBgSrVQXo

>>63923525
too soon