Thread 63922994

>Chinese drone maker DJI has introduced a heavy coaxial quadcopter with an 80 kg lift capacity.
>In comparison the Ukrainian “Vampire” hexacopter lifts 15 kg.
>Among the characteristics are 62 inch blades, a 30 meter winch line, millimeter wave radar, and machine learning guidance.
Could one of this carry 2x 155mm or 4x105mm shells and drop them onto the enemy positions?
https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1940081596276867222?t=Uc857j5BNxxNu19BL0T7Vg&s=19

Ching chong ping pong chyna numbah wahn!

>>63923025
Both sides use DJI drones for recon retard

>>63922994 (OP)
vampire drones are already fodder for snipers or really anyone with a gun. this thing is too big and probably too slow to be useful in the general case

>>63923387
snipers are fodders for drones

>>63923387
>>63923483
So sniper v drone is a game of who's on the offence?

>>63923387
lmao, good luck hitting something that travels at an altitude of 1000 yards. You can barely see or hear them -- and, unless you're shooting airburst grenades, you won't hit them either.

>80 kg lift
sweet, I can fly it to work

>>63923572
There are already 250kg lift drones and a bit bigger in naval use but they're not very stable with a human passenger, there are plenty of videos of people fucking themselves up with them.

>>63923572
Drones and their batteries and motors are only improving. The practicality is only getting better.

>>63923025
This but unironically. American midweight transport drones don't even have radar kek

What the fuck are those buzzwords.

>>63922994 (OP)
>military
These lil niggas will be great for crop dusting eventually.

>>63923025
DJI is one of the companies that actually makes decent products though. There's good chinkshit and bad chinkshit

>>63923657
>There's good chinkshit and bad chinkshit
People who use the words chinkshit and especially those that implessive-post are rarely able to pay for good chinkshit.

>>63923670
Any photog knows the difference. I don't implessive post, I keep it mostly to copypastas and general shitposts

>>63923025
DJI has 80% of the commercial drone market in the US and 70% internationally. Shit's fucked, it's not like with iphones where huawei is just one of many competitors in town or Tesla vs Bingbong whatever their shit is called, commercial drones and the Chinese just fucking won.

>>63923653
They already are, except currently crop dusting drones are absurdly expensive.
On one hand, I look forward to the arms race to make cheaper and cheaper drones that can carry more and more weight, on the other I feel like it's going to be irrelevant since drones are going to be one of the most regulated pieces of technology ever invented as soon as the glowies get around to false flagging at another concert or whatever, so it won't matter if they're in theory cheap if you need to jump through 9000 hoops just for a shitty little mavic.

>>63923791
>I feel like it's going to be irrelevant since drones are going to be one of the most regulated pieces of technology ever invented as soon as the glowies get around to false flagging at another concert or whatever
The closer they get to having the dangers and capabilities of a motor vehicle or light aircraft, the closer they get to being regulated like one.

Part 107 is a cinch to get but eventually you're going to need real licences to fly some of these drones and they're going to be like driver's licences and then eventually pilot's licences.
I imagine that they'll create categories of drones, maybe a racing quad won't need much more than a part 107 but the crop dusters need something like a driving license and the passenger/freight-capable or high-altitude drones are going to need something like an aviation license.

>>63923653
China's been doing that for years. See the DJI Agras.

>>63923848
Yes I know, but they’re still pretty dogshit. It’s cheaper and better to just use an actual plane. An old cessna with some tanks is cheap.

>>63923025
China will win against the US and your pride will be crushed. You are living on borrowed time.

>>63922994 (OP)
im pretty sure they had a multirotor that could lift that years ago

>>63923566
Anything that large is getting picked up by radar or IR retard, or even mk1 eyeball, they're just going to manpad it.

>>63924813
lmao
Your manpad costs 10x as much as the drone, or more, and is far harder to replace.

>>63922994 (OP)
>80kg lift capacity
>30m winch line
So, I've got this crazy idea...

>>63924801
They’re there for the newest Huawei drop

>>63924801
That's just people whose home was quarantined in november 2022. Cope.

>>63923387
I remember that Russian drone guy saying there were diminished returns in big quadrotors, as the resources were better used on several smaller ones that would be less of a loss if they were taken out. Its probably true, the baba yaga remains relatively rare.

Looks gay, also have sex.

>>63922994 (OP)
Contra-rotating props are efficient but noisy. Ukraine's Baba Yaga drone already can carry 155mm rounds so the payload isn't an issue. The real improvement is trading efficiency for stealth. The Co-axial quadcopter will be able to stay in the air longer but everyone is going to hear it coming.

>>63922994 (OP)
Woah china has developed a larger RC helicopter.

>>63922994 (OP)
Vely impleassive, vely ching khu lung

>>63923025
They are in drones, despite whatever bullshit yarn Palmer Luckey is spewing about his MiG-tier vaporware

>>63923670
>he has pissy pants over people using chinkshit as a term
would you prefer people use chinesium instead?

>>63927669
>would you prefer people use chinesium instead?
If that's all you can afford but don't complain when it's made of what you paid for.

>>63927675
>Buy American
>It's Chinesium assembled by weed-addled dipshits

>>63927675
>pretending that the chink tactic of
>"heh, i made my product cheap therefore i have the right to scam you with a product that literally breaks down in 2 seconds"
>is virtuous
embarrassing
>>63927682
stop getting so upset about simple facts of life fren, chinkshit is chinkshit and scurrying around trying to change the perception of chinkshit on an imageboard is kinda pathetic, feminine, and also a massive waste of your time.

>>63927697
>pretending
Oh, you badly misinterpreted my post.
I wasn't pretending that it's virtuous, or claiming that it is.
You need to familiarise yourself with how greentext works newfriend.

>>63927573
Nah It can only carry 122mm not 155mm

>>63922994 (OP)
Very useful as a logistics drone.

>>63925171
imagine a drone chasing you around with a noose while playing the low tier god rant

>>63922994 (OP)
>no fiber optics on it to prevent jamming
It's too expensive to crash 80% of the time in hostile territory (which it will) and become unrecoverable (the parachute is a cope, they will be able to get it back 10% of the time at best, if it is even worth the energy spent rescuing it in the first place). This is not going to work as a bomber drone, making it basically only good as a logistics drone, which doesn't matter because logistic drones in friendly territory can carry more by driving on the ground. Even Ukrainians struggle to produce Vampires faster than they get ruined, and Vampires are literally just a bunch of welded tubes meant to be as affordable as possible. FPVs are good so far because they cost only a few hundred dollars so losing them is economically practical. Vampires cost too much money and manpower right now for how long they last in the field, which is why they are struggling so hard out there and why Ukie soldiers always try to rescue them if they drop to the ground. And Chyna wants to make a BIGGER, more EXPENSIVE, and equally as hard to produce bomber drone? Good luck with that

This thing is literally useless. They don't understand modern warfare yet, China is just throwing everything at the board randomly and seeing what sticks

>>63926797
Oh good, so it's just a gathering of homeless people infected with Covid on public streets instead.

>>63925133
Not really, that's just a peacetime cost manual

>>63929095
>logistic drones in friendly territory can carry more by driving on the ground
They can do ok in enemy territory too.

>>63929095
Why would jamming result in a crash?
Even an infant can program a return home sequence in case of loss of command signal.

>>63929163
Same goes for the drone
Do you think chink factory workers will get paid in WW3?

>>63929177
Yeah, that was my point. If you need a logistics drone you can just use UGVs, because you don't have to worry about minefields on your side of the front line + you can carry much more weight. Ukraine just released the Protector logistics drone which is literally just a cybertruck but not shit.

>>63929180
I probably shouldn't have called it a "crash" but the point is it is a mission failure and now you need to make a mission to rescue it too.

>>63929189
Anon, drones are at cost, they're made mostly with bargain basement labor and in the millions.

>>63923387 Seems more like it'll be used for logistics by resupplying troops than for delivering any ordnance tbqh

>>63929210
>I probably shouldn't have called it a "crash" but the point is it is a mission failure and now you need to make a mission to rescue it too.
You have no idea how these drones work.
In case of loss of signal the drone will simply head back towards the takeoff place. It is more than likely that the signal will be found again after it has traversed a few hundred meters back and away from the jammer.

>>63923025
nobody in the US makes this shit

drone airborne assault WHEN?

>>63923077
>>63923644
>>63929480
Because we have minimum wage laws.

>>63929531
why doesn't america use these for search and rescue?

>>63929695
because they're too fucking obese for a drone. they need a helicopter to lift their fat asses

>>63929695
We use drones for searching, less so for rescuing. I doubt he's safely harnessed in there, just hanging onto a chair. He's a bad lean from being a liveleak vid.

>>63923025
>>63927592
Mutts will post comments like these and then claim they ain't coping lmao

>>63929556
Minimum wage laws are economically retarded. A worker should only get what they're worth to a business

Hopefully there will be a sales ban on companies connected to Ukraine, they would immediately use this for terror bombing

>>63932285
you've spelt russia wrong

>>63932283
>Minimum wage laws are economically retarded
They're politically essential if you want your country to survive. The economics are a non-issue.

>A worker should only get what they're worth to a business
If a business can't pay employees enough to survive and prosper in society then that business does not have an adequate business model and needs to go broke and be replaced by one that can.

Where do you think business profits come from?
If the business needs workers, then it's because workers are generating the business profits. If they don't need workers then they don't have to pay them either.

In fact minimum wage laws shouldn't ever actually be needed because every business should be paying workers a competitive wage to attract and retain workers in a competitive economy.
If there are workers being paid below minimum wage (or what you'd set it to if you had one) then it shows that the employment market isn't truly competitive and is distorted by some unfair mechanism.

>>63923733
drones are small electronics and china / taiwan RUN the small electronics game. its also important to remember the DJI app is basically spyware, its so bad you cant even install it from the app store.

still love my avata 2 tho

>>63929556
You Anduril nutriders seething about DJI are as obnoxious and retarded as Elon nutriders seething about Waymo.

>>63922994 (OP)
overengineered
you don't need half those features for a cargo drone, and you shouldn't be using a quadcopter drone when you should be using a smart missile

>>63923077
They don't. Geofenced drones are useless on a battlefield.

>>63933581
>Geofenced drones are useless on a battlefield
They don't stay geofenced, they get flashed with patched firmware.

Only thing is once drones get too big even conscripts can hit them with an emplaced machinegun pointed up and good marksmen are going to be taking aimed shots at the drone as well. IMO the current RPG-7 mounted style size drone is perfect for the suicide role, this size is better for delivering Amazon packages or supplies in the rear.

>>63929695
Gives Helicopter pilots more flight hours

>>63933597
Once drones get big enough they just become a helicopter and vulnerable to manpads

>>63933606
Slow enough helicopters are also fodder for anyone who wants to take potshots at it too, for example Vietnam. IMO an unmanned logistics copter drone would be better for supplies as it probably could soak up more small arms fire than a quadcopter.

>>63933326
Don't you have gutter oil to collect?

>>63923733
Kond of hard to compete with a CCP owned SOE that gets funding from the CCP and uses slaves to build drones from IP they stole.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/01/china-funding-drones-dji-us-regulators/

>>63933254
China doesn't run the small electronics game, they can't into making small electronics. All they do is import small electronics from Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea and assemble them.

>>63922994 (OP)
There is footage of Uke drones in the last month dropping 155 and 152 shells. So yeah, its possible, its already been done in combat. I guess an upgraded Baba Yaga

>>63929235
>turdies talks about manual labor.
If you are not in top 3 of automation, you are a slave. Simple as

>>63933667
>turdies
>while shilling for china
you don't get to call anyone else a thirdie lol

>>63933667
Automation and A.I. are both evil and retarded.

>>63933667
Proof?

>>63933615
*falls out of the sky in the face of real EW*

shilling for China is white tho
if you disagree with Xi, you are a turdie.

>>63933749
>shilling for China is white tho
>if you disagree with Xi, you are a turdie.

>>63933749
>it is white to shill for a chinksect
no

>>63933749
Do you ever think about the words you write?

>>63933836
what is it you don't understand? I am willing to teach.

>>63933749
>shilling for China is white tho
>if you disagree with Xi, you are a turdie

>>63934266
>what is it you don't understand?
Anon, I don't think /you/ understand what you're writing.

>>63933246
Labor, like all other things, is worth what it would cost in a free and efficient market. Price controls on labor don't help any more than price controls on potatoes. The price of labor is kept artificially low right now, but the solution to that is to fix the conditions depressing the value of labor, not to add an additional layer of bureaucratic inefficiency.

>>63933749
>if you disagree with king thirdie, who was buckbroken by chink camps as a child, you are the real brown!
ok brownoid thirdie.

>>63934562
>The price of labor is kept artificially low right now, but the solution to that is to fix the conditions depressing the value of labor, not to add an additional layer of bureaucratic inefficiency.
Well maybe when we deal with the causes of the low wages, we can get rid of the mechanisms that prevent it being too low but let's wait until then, shall we?
You're ok with reforming the mechanisms that prevent the market from setting fair wages, aren't you?
Because usually when people complain about a safety net existing, they're usually the same people who pushed over the edge in the first place.

>>63923634
>batteries
>improving
Lmao no. Jumping the charged voltage another 50mv and doubling the pack size is not a technical improvement.
>motors
>improving
Lmao, again no.
Almost everything about electric motors was figured out by white and japanese men by the 1970s, the only "challenge" is in understanding yourself how a design maximizes power density and following through on the build.

You think 6 pole 3 phase high strength REM magnet electrics are brand new? It's older than your mom.

>>63934757
>Almost everything about electric motors was figured out by white and japanese men by the 1970s
Wow, you're admitting to being 55 years out of date on electric motor advances.

>>63934790
Ok idiot whatever keeps you from letting you be self aware.

>>63934757
Bait used to be believable.

>>63933593
That only exists for the oldest of DJIs. Nothing that came out in the past 10 years has been jailbroken.

>>63934790
>>63935141
Synchronous reluctance neodymium 6 pole motors, the kind of high power density motor that's being used for your 500HP electric cars, were attempted to be research-to-market in the 80s, kids. I know because I did some lab work for my undergrad with a very smart guy who was excited about GM and some japanese company's patent for neodymium magnets which had freshly come out.

Again, high power motors are not new devices and the Chinese most certainly did not invent them.

>>63935218
>the kind of high power density motor that's being used for your 500HP electric cars, were attempted to be research-to-market in the 80s
So you're saying there's been active research all this time and that current gen motors didn't even exist in the 80s?

>>63935278
At this point what I'm saying is you wear a hat made from ass.

>>63934399
I don't need to understand. Xi just works. Like the Pope does not understand God fully either. But God just works.

>>63935393
>posting deadend irrelevant shit made by low IQ non-chinese to steal credit

>were attempted to be research-to-market in the 80s
ahahaha. So many buzzwords for "we were to retarded to make it work."

>>63935982
>I don't need to understand. Xi just works. Like the Pope does not understand God fully either. But God just works.
I half think you fed all of Norktard's posts into a chatbot and had it generate a despot-fanboy bot that you've now rebadged to worship PRC instead of DPRK.
I'm kind of impressed.

It's still trolling though.

>>63933667
Anon, robots are also bargain basement labor per unit. You are barking up the wrong tree, the point was valid.

>>63933712
America is falling behind in manufacturing. All talk, lots of noise, no progress.

>>63940156
Anon asked for proof, not a slogan.