How is it possible to miss a huge, slow-moving target?
>russian air defense fired at Azerbaijani commercial plane... and missed

They had to open fire a second time to shoot down the plane.

>Azerbaijani media: Minval editorial office received an anonymous letter with sensational materials about AZAL Embraer E190 aircraft shot down on December 25, 2024 on the approach to Grozny.

>The letter contains an explanatory letter from an air defense captain claiming that the plane was fired on by order of the Russian Defense Ministry, as well as video, audio recordings and details about the improper condition of the equipment. Minval published the explanatory letter and the audio recording
https://x.com/StratcomCentre/status/1940291112737910825

Regarding the questions asked of me, I, Captain Dmitry Sergeyevich Paladichuk, commander of Combat Vehicle No. 274, head of the crew, was on combat duty covering the city of Grozny from 24.12.24 to 25.12.24. At 05:40 on 25.12.24, an order was received to switch to readiness level 1. At 05:48, I reported switching to readiness level 1 via mobile communication. Mobile signal at the site was unstable, and I had no other reliable communication means. Fiber-optic cables were laid but not connected to a terminal, and there was no digital phone with a keypad.

At 08:11, the target detection station identified a potential target, which I locked on to with the radar for precise tracking and reported it to the 51st Division Command Post. At 08:13, I reported updated coordinates: α = 338 degrees, D = 7000 m, H = 490 m, V = 118 m/s, heading 230 degrees. I was given the command to destroy the target via phone. The target was not visible through optics due to very dense fog, which I reported to the command post. At 08:13:30, I gave the command to fire to the operator. At 08:13:33, the missile launched from the rail. At 08:13:47, the BM-72V6 control system reported that the target was missed. At 08:13:48, I gave the order for a second strike. According to radar data, the first missile launched when the target’s coordinates were: α = 319 degrees, D = 7300 m, H = 697 m, V = 80 m/s. The second missile launched when the target's characteristics were: α = 311 degrees, D = 8000 m, H = 1300 m, V = 120 m/s.

>>63926415 (OP)
>the plane was fired on by order of the Russian Defense Ministry
Was there some bigwig on board they really wanted to assassinate? Good thing that people survived from the crash so we have first-hand accounts of what happened during the flight.

>>63926430
The general responsible for Grozny's defense would probably have been bottled by the Chechens if the drone had hit something.

>>63926428
>Fiber-optic cables were laid but not connected to a terminal
peak not-my-problem

>>63926415 (OP)
The first one was clearly a warning. A gesture of good will, one might say

Russians are so fucking incompetent. I fucking hate them.

complex munitions have an expected 10% failure rate

>>63926415 (OP)
>How is it possible for Russia to
Wait until you learn about Mattias Rust landing a Cessna in the Kremlin and Korean Air Lines flight 007.

>>63926415 (OP)
>How is it possible for Russia to be so incompetent
Wait until you learn about Mathias Rust landing a Cessna in the Kremlin and Korean Air Lines flight 007.

>>63926639
>Korean Air Lines flight 007
that's not incompetence though [not on the ussr's side, at least. obviously the pilots should not have entered soviet airspace]

>>63926415 (OP)
How does one fields a force that so purposefully fails at intercepting anything and everything that they should but succeeds beyond belief in destroying everything that they shouldn't ?

>>63926648
Trying to fire warning shots with 23mm non-tracer cannon ammo in the middle of the night before lobbing AA-2's seem like peak "not my problem" tho

>Azerbaijan vs Russia is heating up right this very moment with a bunch of arrests on both sides.
can russia handle another front?

>>63926734

>>63926415 (OP)
Russian anti aircraft batteries are calibrated to shoot down airliners. Its literally all they are used for.

"The Public Prosecution Service of the Netherlands will prosecute four suspects for bringing down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 on the 17th of July 2014 killing all 298 passengers and crew. This decision was made on the basis of the investigation conducted by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), consisting of law enforcement agencies from Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, Ukraine and the Netherlands. The announcement was made this morning in Nieuwegein following a meeting with surviving relatives of the victims who died in the plane crash.

The Public Prosecution Service will prosecute the following people:

Igor Vsevolodovich GIRKIN (48)
Sergey Nikolayevich DUBINSKIY (56)
Oleg Yuldashevich PULATOV (52)
Leonid Volodymyrovych KHARCHENKO (47)
The Public Prosecution Service alleges the four cooperated to obtain and deploy the BUK TELAR at the firing location with the aim of shooting down an aircraft. For that reason they can also be held jointly accountable for downing flight MH17. Today the Public Prosecution Service will issue international arrest warrants and placed them on national and international Lists of Wanted Persons. This is why the full names of the suspects have been announced and their photos shown. Three of the suspects have Russian nationality, the fourth is Ukrainian. As the constitutions of both countries do not allow extradition of nationals, extradition will not be requested."
https://www.prosecutionservice.nl/topics/mh17-plane-crash/criminal-investigation-jit-mh17

>>63926736

OHNONOnONONONONHAHAHAHAHA

HERE WE GO AGAAAAAAIN

>>63926648
The pilot was in close visual to the Korean airliner and would have seen that there were no military 747s in service anywhere. Airbus didn't have the A380 in service until 2007. There was nothing like it in the sky.

>>63926753
I find it hilarious that Malaysia managed to infiltrate special forces into the Donbass after the shootdown. Imagine the level of peak "not my problem" from the separatists in response to a shitload of Asian guys in the middle of Eastern Europe, strapped to the teeth rolling around asking about bodies and luggage from the crash.

>>63926753
>Russian anti aircraft batteries are calibrated to shoot down airliners.
>They miss the first shot
I don't follow

>>63927500
They may be made to do it, but they were made by russians

>>63926734

>>63926415 (OP)
what do you mean miss? the plane got hit with shrapnel and went down.
this isnt a video game.

>>63927587
That's from the second launch, the first missile missed.

>>63926736
>Russia loses the Caucuses to Azerbaijan of all places
Please God, make this happen

Would diving and hugging the ground as close as possible help a passenger jet evade getting detected and locked?

>>63927474
>I find it hilarious that Malaysia managed to infiltrate special forces into the Donbass after the shootdown
I hadn't heard about this before, do you have a source?

>>63928434
>Would diving and hugging the ground as close as possible help a passenger jet evade getting detected and locked?
It's not a fighter jet, it's not manoeuvring very quickly in any way. Presumably getting to tree top height would reduce the chance of being detected or tracked but they're not evading a missile and they have no way to even know that they're locked.
RWRs aren't standard on commercial aircraft except for El Al for obvious reasons.

>>63926648
>intercept airliner
>shoot it down
How is that not the very peak of incompetence?

>>63928471
Three days after MH17 got hit, the Malaysian Air Force sent a commando team to Ukraine with the objective of turning everyone responsible for the shootdown into a grocery list, Separatist or Ukrainian. The Malaysian government got cold feet at the last second and tried diplomatic communications with the DPR to have them bring back the wreckage on their own, but negotiations broke down and the commando team was sent in to the Donbass on a Metal Gear sneaking mission to secure the crash site. Pretty cool op coming from a literally who unit.

https://www.todayonline.com/world/we-were-willing-die-bring-back-mh17s-black-boxes-says-msian-covert-team-commander

>>63926734
Azerbaijan is a client-state of Turkey. They aren't doing shit, including their current actions, without the watermelon seller's 100% approval.

That along with his recent shit-talking of the S-400 last week were Erdogan telling Putin he needs to make more tributes if he wants to keep this neutrality game going. Simply acting as a smuggling middle-man for oil and dual-use goods isn't enough anymore for Turkey's interests in the region. Erdogan is probably angling for complete Russian withdraw from Armenia (intelligence operations included) and abandonment of any future aspirations in Syria.
ie Russia must get out of the south Caucasus and Levant.

>>63926428
with improper emplacement low altitude targets can be masked by terrain or other obstacles

>>63928785
>Azerbaijan is a client-state of Turkey
Peak russian delusions

>>63928948
Anyone with half a brain can see that it is but this is /k/ afterall. Retardation on a similar level to pol but supporting the opposite side.

>>63928989
My HIVian friend, the world consists of more is more complex than your delusions about great powers and client states

>>63929014
Look man, i hate russians as much as the next guy, but the azeris are very much beholden to having turks in the region. Their power will wax and wane with turkeys. Armenia having any talks with turkey here is indicative of a collapse of russian influence in the region.

>>63929044
>but the azeris are very much beholden to having turks in the region
Yeah, it were turks who pumped up azeri GPD to be 3+ the time of armenians

>>63927053
My eggs are ready, but what of the ass?

>>63929067
Kinda, you think that was all internal?

>>63929044
>Armenia having any talks with turkey here is indicative of a collapse of russian influence in the region.
It's indicative of opposite day or the mirror universe.

>>63926736
This can't be real. The subs must be made up. I refuse to believe a country this silly can exist.

>tekken is the longest running continuous narrative in gaming history
Isn't Resident Evil longer?

>>63927340
if the CIA thought they could get through Soviet paranoia with that sort of excuse they would definitely have put a camera or such in one and done the thing

>>63926734
I'm desperately waiting for the Chechnya and Dagestan fronts

>>63929523
Chechens already won, why would they do anything else?

>>63929215
>you think that was all internal?
I sense vatnik sophistry behind these words.

You leverage your expertise and international trade (with friendly neighbors close or abroad) to buy/sell what your economy consumes/produces, or you stay an agrarian economy with the crudest of manufacturing capabilities.

>>63928769
That's baller.

>>63929535
>Chechens already won, why would they do anything else?
Their deal was with Putin, with him gone, they'll have to remind Russia why they made the deal in the first place.
Even without Putin gone, if there's blood in the water then Chechens will need to defend their deal in case anyone else decides they want in on the action.

>>63929579
>Their deal was with Putin, with him gone, they'll have to remind Russia why they made the deal in the first place.
The next Putin will still need a provisionally off-the-books praetorian guard if for no other reason but to keep the rabble from getting ideas.

>>63929558
Yes, they did. With turkey being a prime trading partner. They are thusly reliant on turkey.

>>63929633
>The next Putin will still need a provisionally off-the-books praetorian guard
That's Rosgvardiya though it's not off-the-books I guess, the off-the-books stuff is done by FSB usually.
If it's going to be Chechens though, there's still going to be a negotiation and while they're weak, Kadyrovs will want to turn the screws and extract even more from a new and still insecure tsar.

>>63929673
>Rosgvardiya though it's not off-the-books I guess, the off-the-books stuff is done by FSB usually.
that's that things with political mooks as a dictator, having only one such body is a weakness because if they're bought off you're fucked. Two is much better, since if one turns you can still use the the second against the first. The more you have, the better you can play them off one another.

>>63929720
>Two is much better, since if one turns you can still use the the second against the first
This is why gendarmeries exist, more or less.

>>63928785
>they won't do what we want, whenever we want
>they must be puppets of others, who also really hate out fucking guts for mysterious reasons

Why are Russians like this?

>>63926415 (OP)
im gonna state the obvious that this recording is a total bs

even more so than the ones israeli releases

>>63929215
My brown friend, Turkey doesn't have the kind of money to inflate Azeris. Azeris grew themselves by selling oil and gas and not wasting everything on BS corruption shit projects (although there is a hefty element of corruption, yes) a la russians.

>>63926648
Maybe the Soviet pilots shouldn’t have been smarter

>>63929758
>Why are Russians like this?
It all starts back in 1247 when Yaroslav II of Vladimir, father of Alexander Nevsky, traveled to the Mongol court and received the yarlyk (patent) confirming him as Grand Prince. This began the official system of Mongol investiture over Rus’ princes. Then during 1270s and 1300s Moscow gradually rose in importance under the Mongol yoke. The Mongols often favored certain princes with the yarlyk for the Grand Principality of Vladimir, a title that carried seniority over other Rus’ princes. Moscow’s princes, like Ivan I Kalita (ruled 1325–1340), successfully cultivated good relations with the Horde, collecting tribute on the khan’s behalf and gaining political advantage.