5% small arms
20% explosives
75% drones


its insane that 15 years ago this tech was not used but now it is making the biggest impact of all the weapons systems

These are people that make it back. Anything that it more likely to kill instantly or cant be recovered, such as heavier calibres or satchet charges on people in bunkers won't appear on this list, naturally.

>>63926765 (OP)
More shocking we don't have scaled down counter-measures. We need a CIWS consisting of shot gun mounted on a turret with tracking radar and AI assistance. Turn it on, aim in the general vicinity, and once it approaches a certain range it will open fire. Turn it off when you aren't being tracked, so that you aren't broadcasting a radar signal, and you aren't having your system fire at unwanted targets.

>>63926765 (OP)
Its not that surprising. Artillery was always king, drones are just guided shells and mortars. 20 years ago that number would have been the same, it just would have taken 10x as much ordnance to achieve it due to misses.

>>63926765 (OP)
You got a source?
Always interesting to see analysis like this.

>>63926765 (OP)
AHHHHHHH THATS SCARY NIGGAA

Interesting, data from Ukraine is similar
Source is the Paris SOF CMC Conference, picture is from the German military medicine journal

>>63926765 (OP)
Hold on, the FPV drones are landing Right On Top of them and they Survive long enough to get to a Military Hospital? The heck are these drone's carrying, firecrackers?

At the 59th COMEDS Plenary Meetings in Oslo (Norway), from April 18 to 20, 2023, the Ukrainian Surgeon General, Major General Tetiana Ostaschenko, presented the following analyses:
-67 % of all fatalities occurred within the first ten minutes after injury; the remaining 33 % died later, without a specified timeline.
-Hemorrhaging is cited as the leading cause of death.
-10–15 % of the injured require immediate and front-line emergency surgical stabilization to survive subsequent transport.

The injured body regions are distributed as indicated in Figure 1.
Two main focus areas emerge from the injury patterns:
-Extremity trauma and
-Head and neck injuries.

Source in English:
https://wm.pic-mediaservice.de/ca68d42d-c36c-4c8e-b2eb-bc5ca0db917b/2136

>>63926991
Read up on survivorship bias, if the drone annihilates 80% of the squad and the two guys just shitting behind a tree at that moment catch some light sharpnel, the hospital only counts these two

>>63926993

>>63926991
Lot of dudes running around probably get zapped and die, more a case of someone in a vehicle or shelter probably getting banged up but still mobile enough to return under their own power. Generally if you get stabilized and casevac you're probably going to live. Its never guaranteed of course but you're generally alright even with the most grievous shit happening and a quick trip back to some kind of aid station

>>63926993
>Head and neck injuries.
That's a lot higher than I expected but in a way, also not unexpected as modern troops carry a lot of body armour and it does a decent job of preserving your nuts n guts from getting too scrambled. There's only so much you can stick on someone's head before it gets too heavy to be practical. Plus people always getting a bit of crap from grenade fragments in their face, bonked on the head, dropped out of something and other shenanigans in the field.

>>63926774
While you are right the data will be biased against highly lethal weapons I can't think of anything super lethal that would be missing from that data other than mines and exposure.

>>63927018
The interesting thing here is why are hits to the fuselage near the tail so lethal? I get the tail control cables are there but you would think they are small enough you could take hits there without the cables getting cut.

>>63927037
I'd guess that the tail separates of you get hit with cannons or enough times there.
Or hits there also correlate with hits along the cockpit and engines and a very effective burst from the enemy

>>63927037
Losing the tail and wings kill the plane.
Even small amounts of damage to these regions can cause structural degradation which leads to separation.
They just can't handle as many hits
They can handle some hits however, these images aren't exact they're simplification, there are planes that survive with hits to that region, it's just less common.

So yeah, take these images as oversimplification.

>>63926775
It needs to be man portable

Please make this

>>63927006
>>63926991
With some sources claiming that drones have up to 90% fatality rate in open fields, and OP's table showing 75% of all wounded coming from drone attacks, that would mean dead to wounded ratio is absolutely bonkers and pidor reality is quite grim.
Assuming literally 0 dead from artillery and small arms, with 90% fatality of drones, that would mean 6.7:1 dead to wounded. To get 2:1 dead to wounded, like that one zigger claimed, assuming more reasonable 1:5 for arty and small arms, drones would need to have ~72% fatality rate

>>63927183
>72% fatality rate
I probably wouldn't doubt it considering the munition is essentially guided, some of them pack a lot of explosive and have fairly huge frag clouds. Even something like a 25mm cannon HE shell is lopping off limbs and cutting people in half just with blowing up nearby them, so when you jack that up by a factor of about 5 or 10x its really turning into a mess you're just likely to survive.
At best, you get lucky that it blows up just far enough away that it fuckmurders someone else and you collect some of the cloud that might have a little less energy left in it, you're still fucked but probably out of the fight. Not to mention some of those loads are anti-vehicle ones that they just sort end up doinking on the vatniks instead of running the hazard of it returning.

>Huge lethality radius
>Guided weapon
>Precise targeting
Its just all fucking bad really!

>>63927006
>Wald and his wife died in 1950 when the Air India plane (VT-CFK, a DC-3 aircraft[9]) in which they were travelling crashed near the Rangaswamy Pillar in the northern part of the Nilgiri Mountains, in southern India, on an extensive lecture tour at the invitation of the Indian government.

>>63926765 (OP)
People who get hit by other means don't make it to hospitals in general. A paucity in available artillery, especially on the lower levels on the Ukrainian side, means the people who do get hit by it are the ones who never make it back home, i.e. meat wave mobiks and assault troops.
The people in the rear, who have a chance of receiving medical attention, are generally not going to be hit by artillery, because due to its poor availability, it would be a relative waste, trying to strike low value targets, often dug in, with unguided munitions that are needed against troop concentrations or high value targets.
Drones are cheap and plentiful, so the Ukrainians make do with what they have, creating a severe bias in the statistics.

>>63926765 (OP)
There is no one in hospital from artillery or mortars because they are DEAD. DRones are best as spotters for teh real stuff

>>63926775
I've always wondered how viable it would be to make a mini CIWS with an M134 instead of a vulcan. I would appreciate it if someone smarter than me could come up with a weight estimate for such a thing.

The combination of blast injuries and massive shrapnel wounds means that surgery will take a long time even in a well-equipped hospital.
How are they actually dealing with the sudden increase in the number of wounded without being able to suddenly increase the number of surgeons on the battlefield?

>>63927253
this

>>63927261
They imported 'doctors' from Africa who are barely qualified in 2022 and installed them in Russian hospitals and sent Doctors who had done conscripition to the army in the first big 'mobilisation' (reserve draft) especially anyone who had been anti putin or ethnics

>>63926980
>65% return to service
Man they are really going to win the attrition game against ziggers.

>>63927018
survivorship bias has nothing to do in this case, you Dunning Kruger nonce.

15 years ago I worked for an aerospace startup that was involved in unmanned aerial systems and I drew up a prototype loitering munition that behaved exactly like modern day drones, but was a top attack shaped charge designed for tanks. It could have been easily retrofitted to antipersonnel frag but I was shot down by my retard manager because it was “too morbid.” Yeah, things that are designed to kill people typically are morbid you fat fuck.

>>63927292
haha, metal rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifsVOjzmXRI

>>63926765 (OP)
As others have said, perhaps these drones wound but only kill a small percentage of targets?
Like for example a platoon gets hit by a suicide drone and maybe two people get killed and ten receive survivable shrapnel injuries?

>>63927328
Russians have 1:1 Kia to wia

>>63927328
Correct, first the target is hit by a drone, receives survivable shrapnel wounds and falls to ground (because he was spooked by loud bang). Then the second drone double taps the target, causing even more survivable shrapnel wounds to that target, and then increases even more survivable shrapnel wounds to target's insides, which, but that point, all over that tree.

>>63927366
are all over that tree*

>>63926765 (OP)
Not really.
100 years ago "drones" would have said "artillery".
Ultimately drones are just distributed/decentralized IDF and no I will not substantiate my claims

>>63927018
We get it nigglet you watched a youtube video that got recommended to everybody else

>>63927377
>100 years ago "drones" would have said "artillery".
100 years ago they would have said "artillery" when talking missiles or rockets, which they didn't have (not really). The Wehrmacht referred to stuka bombers as flying artillery.

Doesn't mean they were right, and you're wrong, too.

>>63927275
they've had on average significantly better evac and golden hour care than russia.
many ukrainian soldiers can also get sent to hospitals in the west and medical aid to ukraine is a lot less controversial than martial aid, for this reason ukraine is absolutely flooded with medical equipment and expertise.
i tend to think that this is actually one of the biggest reasons why ukraine is currently winning the attritional war, simply way WAY more of them survive battles, retreat from untenable situations, take care of wounded, and generally live to fight another day and build more experience.
i chuckle every time i talk to some zig and he insists that russia's death-cult like behaviour is actually a strength that we could learn from.
like no nigga, your lack of empathy and care for your fellow man is a weakness, apathy towards losses meaning nothing is done to improve loss rates, intentionally throwing away lives for no reason is and has literally always been a bad strategy.

>>63928186
Now I am reminded why I don't visit /k/ anymore. Cheering on Ukraine is fine, but your post is 99% delusional. Only clueless tourists will believe that kind of post. Go ban me mods, idc.

>>63928207
>why i don't visit /k/ anymore
why is this sentence said like 20x a day?

>>63927253
>The people in the rear, who have a chance of receiving medical attention, are generally not going to be hit by artillery,
Its opposite especially for Russian side.
Thre are rarely targets on front line justifying artillery call from Ukrainian side. Russians are using dispersion tactics attacking by single squad elements, bikers squads or single vehicle. You aren't calling arty strike on that it is a waste. Especially if FPV drones are cheaper and front-line in their range.
Rear can have groups of soldiers, counter battery fire against artillery etc. They can be hit by artillery.

>>63928241
stop noticing

>>63926991
It's 2025 and people on the WEAPONS board still don't know how shrapnel works, it's honestly fucking incredible.

>>63927037
The spots without hits are places which are still vital parts of the plane (significant portions of the wing or the entire tail) but are also far enough away from the central fuselage to not have as much structural stability. So they degrade more quickly under stress/repeated hits. The parts further out from the wing are weaker, but losing it won't result in the lost of so much lift that you still can't keep flying with some luck. While closer to the fuselage has extra support and more "meat" to keep damaged parts together.

>>63927328
I doubt that. Modern drones are rolling around dropping 60mm or even 82mm mortar shells on people directly. Suicide drones are even bigger charges, it's common to put RPG-7 rockets on them.

What you're seeing here are the lucky few who manage to survive because they were in cover and concealment at the time, actually spacing out or just sheer luck. We're also not seeing how seriously wounded these guys are too, which further obfuscates things.

>>63926765 (OP)

For comparison:

>World War 2 small arms casualties: 20-25%
>Vietnam small arms casualties: 10-15%

>>63928207
> no you are wrong
> svoyikh ne brosayem
> Rassiya cares about her sons
> gruz 200 mwuy vmeste

Whatever helps you sleep at night, Ivan.

>>63928241
Last time I visited this board was like 2 months ago. Keep circle jerking.

>>63928833
I didn't understand anything about your schizo post.

>>63929300
convincing stuff.

>>63929300
>2 months ago
lol

>>63926765 (OP)
Data is kind of old so it is at least 80%. Artillery is almost extinct

>>63927033
It's not about missing weapons. The point is that most people get hit by artillery get turned into spaghetti sauce, and most people who get shot end up getting double tapped or captured. Claiming that drones are 3x more effective that artillery is silly, because all of those drone casualties get handed a pair of crutches and get sent back out to get blown up again. With artillery strikes it's one and done.

>>63928707
It's not so much the military charge which is still pretty weak compared to an artillery shell or a bomb, but their raw number and their accuracy. Pic related required 3 different drones but in the end there was probably no survivor.

>>63929418
Exactly. We also don't know how many of these casualties end up becoming living fleshlights because the ballistic plates and the helmets protected their vitals but not their limbs, which is something much more likely to happen with drones than with artillery.

>>63929505
The ziggers wouldn't bother hauling someone with no legs back to a hospital. If they did we'd be seeing tactical wheelchairs as well as crutches.

>>63929505
what is that armored vehicle?

>>63929505
>We also don't know how many of these casualties end up becoming living fleshlights
Like this?

>>63929505
I meant 5 fucking drones, I didn't double check before posting. What a nightmare.

>>63929623
I was thinking about those who end up without any limbs. At least the pilot of the quad didn't suffer. Life as a complete disabled must be horrible.

>>63929418
We have over a century of arty casuality data and it still wounds more than it kills especially in trench wars where you'll get overpressure injuries more than frag injuries.
It's more a case of both sides running low on shells and tubes meaning there is a lot less arty being used.

>>63927394
I don't use youtube for military stuff, I exclusively consume military content here and old War films and books.
>>63929689
Is that taking into account better artillery spotting and correction.

>>63926774
I think its more these are the people that are injured behind the lines and thus make it to hospitals, so harassing weapons like drones and artillery are overrepresented. Most soldiers injured on an assault have no hope to make it to a hospital unless they are ambulatory. There's a reason they off themselves.

It is still a major shift, though

>>63927280
If you can't understand that the casualties that make it back from the frontlines to get into a hospital are those further away from the frontlin....
>>63929740 just said what I was about to type thank you anon.

>>63929689
>where you'll get overpressure injuries more than frag injuries.
never was a thing.

>>63929385
>>63929393.
Just so you know, the tranny janny warned me and deleted my post for no reason. He really wants to turn this place into Reddit I guess. I'll try to post again in two months then, cya.

>>63930048
Your posts were effectively retarded seethe with no attempt to refute though, so no value lost.

>>63930091
I'm also the one who posted >>63929505, what did you post exactly? Supporting that kind of behavior from the jannies won't make this board better, it will just turn this place into an echo chamber, just like Reddit. It wasn't the purpose of /k/, a magical place. This place was once about freedom.

>>63930108
To be honest, we still have the right to criticize Israel and the jews on this board, so that's better than nothing.

>>63930108
I am literally FPBP

>>63929418
>every single war before
>artillery wounded 5 guys for every kiled
>this war, somehow completely opposite and artillery magically kills everyone and leaves no wounded, but direct him by RPG-fpv drone somehow only wounds 10 guys for each killed

>>63930129
Fair enough. Still, don't suck the jannies balls for no reason next time. Think about it when you see my posts getting deleted.

>>63928528
War tourists are fucking retarded. News at 11

>>63930141
No. Stop seethe posting, zigger.

>>63930134
It literally shows in OP's chart that 20% of all wounds were from artillery, and while you can compare to WWI/II data for Ukrainian casualties, Russians are getting hit with highly accurate fire from modern western artillery systems with modern western communications and fire control and drone spotters. Artillery is absolutely more lethal now than ever before. The number of drone casualties shows two things: Ukraine doesn't have enough artillery, and drones are far less lethal than artillery.

>>63930134
in former wars, artillery was more about volume of fire than accuracy. It's not exactly the case anymore thanks to HIMARS and guided shells. And when artillery hits right on target, there's not much to salvage in a 50 meter radius. On the contrary, a FPV drone will kill with a direct hit, but not so much if it nearly misses its target.

>>63930151
>hohol is a janny sucker
This is the equivalent of being the teacher's pet.

>>63930168
>and drones are far less lethal than artillery
IF artillery hits. The problem is that drones are so ubiquitous on the front, that they're technically more of a problem than artillery. Artillery, you just have to keep moving and it will always miss because of the long TOT, but it's quite hard to escape drones once you're detected.

>>63930168
It's more evacuating casualties from the frontline is extremely difficult and that FPVs are able to reach people 40km behind the lines, they have longer range, up to 50-60km in some cases. These people can get help.
40km shell artillery is not common, it's uncommon really, and they need to be 10-20km back to not be instantly found by other artillery or FPVs, pure HE artillery that isn't MLRS is just outranged unless shooting at targets that are so close to the frontline they're never getting EVAC'd in a timely manner anyway.

Drones (and field gun drones) and artillery keep people in place to die from everything else, the war is the most efficient at killing attackers on the frontlines in history, nothing comes close. This means boobytraps, mines, artillery, guns, mortars, bullet drones, small calibre indirect fire and direct fire from IFVs, bunkers and drones involve finishing them off the wounded with dropper drones if they survive being shot or hit, meaning they rarely survive point of contact.

>>63927261
Well er...I imagine they don't.
>Is of great sacrifice for motherland! You should be HAPPY to be disabled/die for the motherland!

>>63930189
>Hohol
Not doing yourself any favors.
>>63930218
Wrong, artillery often presights an area for fire they're not firing at your last location, they predict your destination such as along a road and often hit with high enough accuracy to hurt thin targets, especially infantry even if they miss by 20meters.

>>63930218
>Artillery, you just have to keep moving and it will always miss because of the long TOT
This is true of Russian artillery, yes.

>>63930240
Russian kill chains are shit sure due to crap artillery accuracy and ling retarget speeds, but they do have presighted artillery methods at their disposal and spotter drones for corrective fire, it's not as simple as you make it out to be.

>>63930236
>Not doing yourself any favors.
It's just gentle banter, which was deserved since you called me zigger.

>Wrong, artillery often presights an area for fire they're not firing at your last location, they predict your destination such as along a road and often hit with high enough accuracy to hurt thin targets, especially infantry even if they miss by 20meters.
That's in a perfect world. With a TOT of at the bare minimum 3-5 minutes and a circular error of more than 50 meters, there's still a lot of room to miss the target. Not to mention that the artillery battery has to move to avoid getting shelled itself. Of course if the unit is cornered it's cooked, and modern guided ammo is another story.

>>63928186
>significantly better evac
Evac is difficult for everyone due to the drone threat.
>why ukraine is currently winning the attritional war, simply way WAY more of them survive battles
Proven personnel losses are similar for each side.
>retreat from untenable situations
Ukrainian settlements get semi-encircled and only then do the Ukrainians try to retreat.
>generally live to fight another day and build more experience
They took over 150,000 deaths and over 600,000 total casualties. Most of their replacements today are people who are forcibly mobilized.
>apathy towards losses
They are not apathetic towards losses, they use a lot more precision weapons than before and do small unit assaults. They usually semi-encircle settlements now instead of attacking head-on. They keep the offensive pressure up along the front because with similar casualties and Ukraine having 5 times less people, many of Ukraine's positions have become undermanned. They advance in one place which causes Ukraine to bring in reserves, then they advance in a different place which forces Ukraine to shift their declining reserves.

>>63926775
unironically tanks would be a decent platform to carry around the mini turrets on their turret

>>63928186
>like no nigga, your lack of empathy and care for your fellow man is a weakness, apathy towards losses meaning nothing is done to improve loss rates, intentionally throwing away lives for no reason is and has literally always been a bad strategy.
The Ukrainians will win because they love life, and the ziggers live only to take and destroy. I sincerely believe that, in my heart of hearts.

>>63930402
>They took over 150,000 deaths and over 600,000 total casualties.
kek. sure they did. where are the proofs pidorashka? and no, RT and Sputnik does not qualify

>>63930402
>Most of their replacements today are people who are forcibly mobilized.
Do you have a source for this?
And russians do seem more apathic towards their own in general, especially if you seen all those "ruusian coward" torture videos they like to share

>>63926765 (OP)
>another drone thread

>>63930487
yes retarded faggot, because the graph informs that 75% of the wounded that arrive to a military hospital in the most modern war at the moment are wounded by drones,
if you like weapons you need to be interested in this by asociation

>>63926991
>>63927019
>>63927253
Survivor bias really does ignore alot of important data. If you dig into the data you might come to the conclusion that KPVs are useless because there are almost no records of soldiers being wounded by one. Well duh there are almost no people wounded by KPVs, the damn things don't 'wound' so much as 'obliterate' people.

>>63930445
77,607 Ukrainians killed in action are known because their obituaries were posted online.
In Ukraine's missing persons database there are 67,848 soldiers that are missing in action out of the list of 89,451 missing people.
https://wanted.mvs.gov.ua/searchbezvesti/
There are 3 wounded for every 1 dead, so 600,000 total casualties.

>>63930449
On 29 October 2024, Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Secretary Oleksandr Lytvynenko reported that 1,000,050 Ukrainians had been conscripted into the Armed Forces since 24 February 2022 and that a further 160,000 were in the process of being drafted. In comparison, 600,000 to 800,000 Ukrainians had voluntarily joined the Ukrainian Armed Forces between 24 February 2022 and 25 April 2025 according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

From the start of the war to the end of 2024, more than 100,000 soldiers were charged under Ukraine’s desertion laws according to the country’s General Prosecutor’s Office.

In the first five months of 2025, 90.5 thousand Ukrainian soldiers were charged for desertion.

>>63927033
>While you are right, i refuse to change my opinion.

>>63930944
Do you call drafts a forceful mobilization or are you talking about specifically those dudes that go around looking for deserters

>>63929623
What happened here?

>>63930949
I'll clarify for the short bus kids.
>yes the data will be biased against weapons that produce more fatalities than injuries
>I can't think of any weapons that preform like that
Can you think of any weapons that would be producing a significant number of casualties that kills many and wounds few?

>>63930962
I think he's talking abou this

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F

>>63931252
O, so it's an elaborate cope post then

>>63927275
Winning a war of attrition is like running away from a crocodile
You don't have to be the best, you just have to be better than the other guy

>>63927078
Smart guns will happen eventually, the tech is basically already there and drones now provide a strong incentive to field it

>>63931257
Huh?

>>63928831
I wonder how long we've got before we hit 0% small arms casualties, and how long we will continue using small arms after that

>>63931252
Kys russnigger

>>63931308
Why so angry little fella?

Can someone give me an objective, non memery answer how the Ukrainian war is going? Seems like media coverage has died down the past year. Who's winning? How is the situation of ukranian military aid, equipment, morale and intel now that america chickened out? How's the situation in russia? Will we ever see a 1917 civil war style or warlord era China? How do you think the war will end? Any interesting new tactics, guns, equipment that came out or will soon come out? Any major milestone/predictions incoming like "2026 russian economy will collapse"?

>>63931277
He was saying that the armed forces of ukraine now peimarily consisted of busified people is the cope part

>>63930944
>In the first five months of 2025, 90.5 thousand Ukrainian soldiers were charged for desertion.
I could find the sources for the other statements but this one seems to only pop up on .ru and third world sources.

>>63931338
>liable for service

>>63931252
I was in a discord server (for wargame) and some Russian started posting these videos to prove his point about Ukrainians being mobilised against their will.
I didn't realise their shills infiltrated gaming communities until then, yes I did read thay paper about them doing it but I assumed it wasn't real.
Luckily the admins are western and after a few retarded opinions and straight up zigger lies regarding the war he got removed pretty quick.
The only people that bother to save boring old Ukrainian military arrest videos are paid Russian shills, especially when so much of the Ukrainian army is still volunteers (and not economic opportunists like Russians).

>>63930402
150k killed and wounded for this conflict is pretty good for Ukraine.

>similar proven losses

Even the lowest estimates of Russian losses are much higher than this, unless you take the Kremlin numbers at face value in which case lmao

>>63928207
I personally know someone studying medicine who treats injured Ukrainians as part of his training, here in Europe.

>>63929740
This

>>63929505
I think accuracy is a big part of it. Even guided munitions are very limited by the fact that they are self-guided, high speed and come from a particular angle. They compensate for this with bigger warheads, while a FPV drone can take it's time loitering around a vehicle looking for a weak spot at the right time. In your vid for example striking inside of the vehicle trough an open door would've been science fiction just a few years ago.

>>63927260
it's possible, the tech already exists but it would certainly not be man portable

>>63930402
>s-small unit tactics
Meatwaves
This post is such a cavelcade of cope lol.

>>63929608
M113

>>63931252
Ah, okay, i thought your post was a bit too structured and recited. You were hitting all the russian narrative beats.
Makes sense now.

>>63930402
>Proven personnel losses are similar for each side.
>77k KIA vs 120k KIA(ignoring 10-20k Donbabweans and mediazona complaining about how much harder is to track dead Russians)
>similar losses

>>63926765 (OP)
nanotechnology is coming, the drones are going to be literal swarms of meat disintegration

>>63932736
the only meatwaves are in your colon.

>>63930402
>>63930445
I don’t know why 150,000 Ukrainian irrecoverable causualties (and some additional number of wounded/disabled no longer fit for service) is controversial when we know that Russia passed the 1 million mark for KIA/MIA some months ago.

>>63933356
On Nov 26, 2024 Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anna Tsivilyova accidentally leaked that they had 48,000 missing.
On Nov 29, 2024 BBC knew of 80,973 Russians that were KIA. https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/clygedgp40yo
So the MIA was 59.3% of the KIA back then. Extrapolating that percentage to the current 111,387 KIA gives (1+48,000/80,973)*111,387 = 177,416 killed.

Also, on December 1, 2024 poteru.net was at 84,193 KIA. https://web.archive.org/web/20241201000347/https://poteru.net/
So with poteru the MIA was 57% of the KIA back then.
So extrapolating with the current 118,666 KIA on poteru gives (1+48,000/84,193)*117,913 = 186,320 killed.

With 2.5 wounded for every 1 dead, they have 650,000 casualties.

Ukraine’s Institute of Demography estimates Ukraine's current population at 29 million.

Russia's population including Crimea is 146 million. There are at least 3 million people in the other Russian occupied territories in Ukraine, so the total population of Russia is 149 million.

Russia has a population more than 5 times greater than Ukraine's.

Russia has 24% more deaths than Ukraine in the war.

Russia has 9% more casualties than Ukraine in the war.

>>63933026
>swarms of meat disintegration
powered by IA, unscathered by ECW

>>63926801
Yeah but it'd have been 25% small arms, it being a paltry 5% is surprising. I vaguely recall WW1 casualties for one Western Front battle being roughly 70% give or take artillery, 15-20% machine gun and the rest small arms or grenades.

>>63927208
It's practically the perfect wunderwaffle weapon since WW1 introduced modern warfare.
>Small
>Cheap (Comparatively)
>Portable
>Reasons you cited + it can reliably serve anti-vehicle work as well as anti-infantry.
>the 72% fatality rate the anon cited.

I'm (not) sorry but the people dismissing drones feel like 2 more weeks trust the plan red deer event qanon shit. It's just fucking rolling up big-dick-on-campus nonstop.

I fucking hope our anti Small drone tech is real rock solid or those sigger rifles and gucci optics ain't goin be shit.

>>63926765 (OP)
I don't believe anything Russian say by default ever since they swore they ere not invading Ukraine and then that their war would be over and they would take Ukraine in three days. Russians like by default, lying IS Russian culture and its a huge part of communist China and Hindu India as well because those cultures are effectively amoral

I posted years ago that most soldiers in this war never hit any enemy with their small arms fire, when people excitedly asked soldiers "how many did you kill" and didn't understand the "I don't know" answer from the soldiers.
Now there is statistics showing it but most retards still won't get it.

At this point it would be far more effective if they ditched rifles to shoot other people entirely and instead only carried anti-drone weapons.

>>63931351
>Any major milestone/predictions incoming like "2026 russian economy will collapse"?
Putin has publicly come out with concerns about the ruble and plans to cut military spending.

>>63926765 (OP)
Your retarded. This is a list of weapons in order of their failure to kill. You get hit by a 12.7mm anywhere and your bleeding out, you end up anywhere under the blast of a 155mm shell you are dead. A law hits your btr in the rear your are cooked.

>>63935875
What anti drone weapons. Also the you get mogged by infantry with you know infantry weapons.

>>63935581
If you can't comprehend how those numbers are ridiculously conservative floor numbers with an extreme standard of proof required for tabulation, that's on you. The million+ irrecoverables is easily derived from statistics on prison population, recruitment numbers, budget lines for death benefit payments, etc. Just the satellite images and Telegram videos of mass graves tells the lie in the idea that its only 24% worse than Ukraine.

>>63929623
Why do they never try to shoot the drone?

>>63937014
then why 90% of the combat footage of this war is drones being air niggers on wounded guys instead of 12mm cutting a zigger on half ???
for real footage is at least 80% drones

>>63926765 (OP)
>>63926801
drones just seem to be Ersatz-Artillery

and it makes perfect sense
a drone is what ... 200 bucks? so like 250 dollars in total (even if it's a one-way mission this is still ok)
meanwhile a 30 mm round already costs a couple k

for the price of a single SPH you can buy like 60.000 drones WITH explosives

>>63937688
> for real footage is at least 80% drones
your feelings are not facts
even less so when they are based on propaganda footage

>>63937014
possible
then again ... weren't similar stats used for the past century to argue that rifles are literally pointless and all that matters is artillery?

Alright then what is the best drone defense gun? A shotgun? Will they finally be relevant again? You need something that is
>good at hitting flying, small, erratic but very fragile targets, much like birds
>at a range long enough to be outside its blast radius
>ideally high rate of fire and magazine capacity
Sounds like an auto shotgun to me. On the other hand, that would necessitate carrying a 2nd long gun, so maybe a rifle is sufficent? Do i start doing trap and skeet with an AR?

>>63937686
In battlefield conditions you have about 3 seconds between hearing the FPV attack and getting hit by it. Watch the Chosen Company docs to see.

>>63937752
I dunno man looking at >>63929505 the drone is within visible distance for way over 3 seconds. And it's not like 3 seconds isn't a lot of time to at least try magdumping into it. You can't outrun a drone, what else is there to do?

>>63937764
That's 3 seconds to:
>See something moving
>Identify said moving thing as an FPV drone
>(Optional) warn your squad
>Get your rifle ready
>Aim
>Fire
And all that requires you to be looking in the drone's direction in the first place.

>>63937764
You usually can't see it coming on the approach. It's a small fast object in a big sky. Drones really only get shot down when they're spotters or droppers flying low and holding still, unaware of the man shooting.

With FPVs on the attack, you have that 3 seconds for the total OODA loop to stop thinking about your next smoke, freezing fingers, scan 360x180 degrees, and start mag dumping for the last half-second of your life.

>>63937782
>See something moving
>Identify said moving thing as an FPV drone
>(Optional) warn your squad
>Get your rifle ready
>Aim
>Fire
I mean this isn't particularly different from getting into a typical firefight with people, except people can shoot you and don't have to run up to you, so if anything getting ambushed by a drone is preferable to getting ambushed by other soldiers. Still don't see why you wouldn't attempt to shoot it. You're in a combat zone, you should be expecting shit to go from nothing to shooting like your life depends in it within an instant anyways, drone or not.

>>63937788
>You usually can't see it coming on the approach. It's a small fast object in a big sky.
That's fair, but on the other hand you should probably be assuming every tiny blur in the open sky is a drone, and unlike soldiers on the ground drones don't have cover to hide behind.

>>63937794
Soldiers are a lot easier to spot than drones, and drones can hit you *very* far beyond the front line.
It's not a matter of not attempting to do it, you simply don't have the time to react.

>>63937827
>>63937794
Spotting a drone is quite hard, let alone hitting it

>>63935868
It is to some extent eliciting the same kind of post 19th century shock of proper industrialised warfare, the machinegun, the high explosive shell and reliable small arms took a long time to soak into some old heads, old doctrines and new problems. Now we're in the mix of technological warfare that straddles the mix of industrial production and signals, presenting a whole a new idea that's filling in for an old problem- manpower
If you didn't have enough dudes with guns, guys in tanks, planes and warships. Not great odds, but if you can make 4million FPV drones a year and get them where they need to be in a timely manner, then replace them in airspace with long range drones instead of risking pilots, that's another new idea... and because they can into boats, they also crash into your expensive warship and sink it for under 100k in materials cost or launch more of the buzzy little fuckers to blow up your shit onshore that you least expected!

No wonder people are wandering around like Umbopo the spear chucker that first discovered the British African adventurism with machineguns turning an entire army of into busted motherfuckers, while insultingly taking practically no casualties in the damn process of murdering all of them. At some point your brain just locks up and figures, well what the pretty shit we're in now?
The really fun part?
>It can get worse
Right now this is sort of a community-industrial process with off the shelf gear, 3d printers, parts kits and dudes in underground bunkers bolting it all together.
Throw the western MIC behind it, they'll have freq-hopping, longer range, smaller, harder hitting, long range signal boosters and potentially made in the kind of numbers to blot out the sun. The most terrifying part already is that they went from about $1000 for a commercial, decent drone that's reusable to a one-way, fuck your shit sub $400 guided hell munition that can sometimes blow up $4m MBT's if they get a good hit in

>>63937864
A Western radio is about $1k for just the chip. Another 3k for the thermal, 1k for the detonation train, and so on. The future of military quadcopters is more expense.

>>63938071
and the west is going to lose against the infinite bug army

>>63938076
>he can't understand logistics
Economist-brain is telling you "uh uh uh if I have one biiilion drones and 80% of them don't work I still have more shots than you."
Military logistics is hearing "we're sabotaging our own supply lines with 80% trash."

>>63929505
What side is this?