What exactly are these for? They're marketed as "self defense" but I don't see it. My cousin carries one on her keychain

are you dense? you stab someone with the pointy end.

>>63930439 (OP)
>her
They are for dumb bitches, must run in the family. Are you a mutt or black?

>>63930459
Can you name a situation where this would be both as legal and as effective as pepper gel or a gun?

>>63930467
White trash. And yeah I've only ever seen women carring them so the
>her
is obligatory

Sounding.

>>63930486
Alright give me a second and I'll post results

>>63930459
my end is much more bulbous

Car windows?

>>63930469
no, you fucking retard. it's a pointy piece of metal. Why would anyone expect it to be as good as spray or a gun?

>>63930439 (OP)
it's called a kubotan. which is mostly mallninja crap.
they can be an effective self defense tool, provided the person using it is already decently proficient in martial arts and fighting, otherwise it just makes your keychain heavier

>>63930516
>provided the person using it is already decently proficient in martial arts and fighting
Load-bearing qualifier

>>63930516
>>63930532
martial arts arnt really necessary, if you watch a girl fight off a guy, even playfully, they tend to resort to beating on them with a weak hammer fist technique
if they have this in their fist it could actually hurt

not enough to stop an attacker, but enough to really piss them off

>>63930469
>What situation is this viable
Your keys being on it when someone side tackles you in a parking garage for when you reflexively hammer blow them (now with a spike in your hand)

Being at the bottom of a purse obviously doesn't fill that purpose.

>>63930439 (OP)
>What exactly are these for?
I figured the tip beak at the bottom of my knife was for breaking windows in an emergency

>>63930439 (OP)
Kubotan are incredibly effective in trained hands and useless in normie hands.

you all replied to a bait thread with out herbs.
YOU'RE THE PROBLEM

>>63930439 (OP)
Looks like a sounding rod

>>63930439 (OP)
Anal

>>63930439 (OP)
Why do you keep making this thread?

Urethral sound

Hysterical women refuse to use real weapons. Probably for the best tbqh senpai

>>63930439 (OP)
Sounding.

>>63930439 (OP)
Great way to fuck up your ignition if you still have manual key insert

>>63930439 (OP)
>What exactly are these for?
Separating idiots from their money

>>63930492
how was the urgent care clinic?

>>63931047
Using a real weapon is a good way to get yourself in prison. Stabbing someone with an anal dildo is plausible deniability.

>>63930439 (OP)
slaying very small vampires

>>63930439 (OP)
Urethral sounding device for kinky sex

>>63930497
Carl?

>>63930439 (OP)
they're the modern equivalent of a hairpin--something hard and pointy and close at hand so a woman who feels threatened has a tool to lash out with and maybe deter a hesitant person

>>63930439 (OP)
They help you strike someone without harming your hand, useless if you don't practice martial arts, but people who practice martial arts are usually smart enough to get a better weapon.

>>63931208
wtf why can't I see him?

>>63930439 (OP)
They make women feel safe. Women are the only ones I've ever known to carry them.

>>63930439 (OP)
urethral stimulation

>>63931208

>>63930439 (OP)
you stab someone with the pointy end and it's because women are afraid of getting raped but fucking refuse to carry a gun or an adequate knife for whatever reason. So there is a massive industry for basically mall ninja roasties with pepper spray being the only thing in that group of retarded shit worth buying

>>63931544
You can't carry a knife into a club, and if you use one for self defence it's a murder weapon.

>>63931549
self defense isn't murder and you can kill anyone with anything if they try to hurt you.
>n-no I live in a shithole and don't have human rights
That's because you're not a human, go die

>>63931486

>>63931553
Hey, feel free using a knife for self defence where ever you live. See what happens.

>>63931553
>>63931696
A slightly hefty and somewhat longer than your fist piece of metal with a point on one end and a keychain on the other doesn't count as a weapon at all and thus no matter the jurisdiction there is no issue buying, selling, or carrying one.

>>63930439 (OP)
my dad has a bright blue one that he hangs on his keys because he constantly loses his keys otherwise and it sticks out like a sore thumb
I remember when he ordered it he showed it to me like
>hey anon jr, look what I got
>dad you that that's technically a weapon right?
>*shrug* idk, I just thought it'd help me not lose my keys
it didn't help, by the way

>>63930439 (OP)
These are a thing because push daggers are considered naughty.

>>63931696
I live in Europe and here I am allowed to use ANYTHING to protect my life. I could pull up a gun and shoot an Ahmed if he runs at me with a knife and would be fine, I would get fucked for running around with a gun afterwards but on a separate case.

>>63931978
Why do they all look like sex toys?

>>63930439 (OP)
The original idea was that striking someone with a small hard object that is otherwise innocuous can still magnify the force of impact. Sound in theory, no one wants to get a wood or metal peg slammed into their skull icepick style, and there's little you could carry less obtrusive than a simple rod tough enough to withstand the impact. There were other niche things you could do with one but it was primarily just "something hard enough to hurt more than your hand" Obviously the bottom of the barrel in terms of a weapon, but able to increase harm and easy to carry at least.

The bullshit evolved from there to what we hear about today.

>>63930439 (OP)
Glorified buttplug.
Any girl who has it is DTF, always.
If they scream or say no, they just have a thing for being forced.

All jokes aside it's just a more socially accepted version of having a knife on a keychain.

>>63930439 (OP)
Tell your sister to stop carrying it, these things are useless. All they'll do is escalate the level of violence of the encounter without actually offering a useful force multiplier over bare fists the way carrying a knife or hammer for self defense would.

I.e.: poke a big angry dude with one of these and you'll just get your ass beat harder, without being able to stab or bludgeon them.

>>63930999
Just checking these digits

>>63930559
>not enough to stop an attacker, but enough to really piss them off
Yeah, he wanted her wallet, but will rape and choke her to death because she tried to kill him. Good tactics

>>63930439 (OP)
You put it in your urethra, in case a woman tries to rape you.

>>63932041
Anythings a sex toy, if you're brave enough

>>63930439 (OP)
Sounding

>>63930586
>when someone side tackles you in a parking garage
why would you ever put yourself in a situation where you're in a parking garage

>>63932684
>You put it in your urethra, in case a woman tries to rape you.
Can confirm, ever since I fully inserted it in, not a single woman has climbed on top of me, looked me in the eyes, and told me she is gonna ride me till I pass out.

>>63933292
American problem, pls understand

>>63931115
I think he ded

>>63930459
Too blunt to cause damage. Too short to be a deterrent. Absolutely useless.

>>63933433
>Too blunt to cause damage
ah yes, blunt objects: well-known for not being able to cause damage

>>63933485
Also too short for blunt force damage but I thought that was assumed.

>>63930459
Have you actually tried using it? It's a very impractical tool for such a job. There's no handle, no grip, not enough length, not pointy enough. A regular fuck who buys this also has neither the strength nor technique to successfully penetrate someone with this outside sexual games.

>>63930439 (OP)
For her pleasure
If a sexually frustrated, angry woman starts to accost you, whip this thing in and out of her for a few minutes until she calms down

>>63930439 (OP)
Russian artillerymen use them to calculate sometimes, maybe she wants to become one?
https://files.catbox.moe/0s9c1m.mp4

>>63933517
It's not a stabbing implement, it's designed to concentrate force on a single point. You hammerblow it into someone's skull.

>>63931208
NO, THIS IS DERL

INCELS WATCH OUT

>>63934290
I can't stand when women have those long ass nails it looks trashy and reminds me of fat nogs

>>63934290
OoOoOoOh, they can go through FOAM! How scary! I laughed uproariously when she pepper sprayed inside her own fucking house, have fun cleaning THAT up.

>>63934318
I mean, she IS clearly half-breed trash, and would probably immediately jump to hilarious levels of offense if you called her fat.

>>63934290
>kittydefense
that's a tranny isn't it

>>63930439 (OP)
It's a confidence builder, literally zero women who have these would remember they even have them when being assaulted let alone use them

Guarantee not a single owner of these things has practiced using them.

It's like a security blanket.

I found my gf had one and I called her retarded and got her pepper spray and a Ruger lcp2.

She has only been sexually assaulted a few times at home

>>63934164
People not intuitively understanding that pressure can get absurdly high when your surface area is very small without actually being sharp is always amazing. Failing to understand that this will cause significant damage even (especially) to soft tissue is something else though.

>>63930683
>Incredibly effective
So are literally a dozen superior options like black jacks, brass knuckles, a roll of fucking quarters, a gun, mace, a switch blade, etc

>>63934361
Omitting the
>in trained hands
part makes you look retarded, retard.

>>63934368
Oh I'm sorry, no please go ahead and tell me how training makes your little sounding tool superior to a literal handgun. Go ahead.

>>63934380
No, that's not part of the discussion.

>>63932635
if women were smart they would carry guns

>>63931978
my ex carried a push dagger, called it her rape whistle

>>63931549
>and if you use one for self defence it's a murder weapon.
Self defense is never predicated on the choice of weapon. Not in America.

Feel free to show me a single case of this mattering. Just one.
>inb4 Harold Fish
Please be that stupid. Please...

>>63934351
No. Just because trannies copy the most vapid feminine women doesn't make all vapid feminine women trannies.

>>63934164
>You hammerblow it into someone's skull.
Anyone who is competent to land that on an attacker is also
>smart enough to carry a real weapon
>or competent enough that they can strike at a further distance or grapple more effectively without it
>or both
The guys who are good enough to use one effectively are ironically the say ones who don't need it.

>>63930559
>but enough to really piss them off
From rape to hate-rape, dangerous turn

>>63930439 (OP)
Those are mobik reanimation sticks.

>>63930486
Kirsche, please, this is the weapons board.

>>63935204
I'll say it for him because I want to know more: Harold Fish. Go on Anon, now is your time.

>>63935490
Based learner anon. Basically, some people use Harold Fish as "scary gun gets you convicted" because he used a 10mm and that was "overkill".

What is left out is the judge and DA colluded to railroad him. The choice of gun didn't factor in at all.
>judge wouldn't allow character witnesses attested to a violent history by the attacker
>judge did allow speculation about Fish being a ruthless killer because who else carries guns
>judge allowed a forensic report from the prosecution that suggested the attacker was in a "defensive position" (he had his hands raised in front of him IIRC)
>judge wouldn't allow a similar forensic report from the defense that suggested the attackers arms were raised because he was attacking Fish (duh)
>jury did not get proper instructions on "unlawful physical force"
>case was won on appeal and allowed all the evidence that would have initially helped Fish
>DA lost his license to practice law over the case

The appeals court said among other things
> the appellate court ruled that the jury was not instructed properly as to what constitutes "unlawful physical force." The court also decided the jury should have heard evidence that Kuenzli was known to act violently when confronted about dogs in his care.
Also, Arizona changed their self defense laws in reaction to this case. Doesn't help him, but it helps it from ever happening again. Plus CCW in 2025 is a night and day difference than 2004.

Yes Fish got screwed. He spent 3 years in prison and his life was ruined. But his choice of gun had zero bearing on the case. If the prosecution and judge collude to fuck you, you're going to get fucked. Having an old J frame wouldn't magically make that case different. The one takeaway for individuals from this case is to not speak to cops until you get legal representation. Make short statements and nothing else.

>>63936123
Oh, I definitely heard about this one in brief before.
>The one takeaway for individuals from this case is to not speak to cops until you get legal representation.
Amen. I pray that if I ever do have to shoot anyone I've drilled myself enough to do nothing more than disarm myself, identify myself, say I acted in self-defense and then shut the fuck up until I have a lawyer, even under stress.

>>63930439 (OP)
well trained martial artist's and high end cops/guards can use them to hit pressure points that's their purpose

>>63934290
the comb knife seems legit

>>63934368
The whole "in trained hands" argument is fucking retarded IMO. Literally anything that can be used as a weapon is more effective if you've trained with it, regardless of whether that weapon is complete dogshit or not. All of that being said, do you know anyone with even basic hand to hand training that carries a kubaton? Because I genuinely don't see anyone who isn't a woman who can't be trusted with pepper spray let alone a pistol buying and carrying these pieces of chink plastic
Also that anon not mentioning the "in trained hands" part makes 0 difference, trained hands would make better use of literally any of those things he mentioned. The only one who looks retarded here is the one defending the use of neon colored key chain accessories for self defense

>>63937254
I think it would be hilarious if someone made a combo switchblade where you can pull off the comb to reveal a knife.

>>63934354
Sexually assaulted by whom anon?

>>63934290
>"I WAS ROIPED" the product line
Just buy a gun if sudden memories of your childhood are forcing you to buy this much Chinese crap.

>>63937717
Her stepdad. Every chick with a stepdad has a story of getting nutted in.

>>63934368
Someone with an equal amount of time training with a real weapon is going to be magnitudes more effective. Hell even someone with 1/10th the training but has a knife is still better off.

>>63934354
What's with /k/ommandos inability to hook with chicks that weren't molested at age 12?

>>63936344
There's a couple videos I found when I googled him again last night. The link with his exoneration and some other info was dead so I could share what I planned on. It's worth a watch if you have time, it's an interesting situation.
> I've drilled myself enough to do nothing more than disarm myself, identify myself, say I acted in self-defense and then shut the fuck up
In my opinion if you are aware that this needs to happen in the first place you are way way better off to start with. There are hundreds of thousands of DGUs annually. Granted most aren't in public, but there's still a lot of those. How many are by people who don't recognize that and think cops are like the good guys on TV there to help? I'd wager most of them. And those people still end up just fine.

>>63937603
And yet here you are arguing that any weapon with any training is better than a kubotan.

Any object that can be used as a weapon is better than no weapon, so just stop arguing that a piece of metal is inferior to anything else you just don't have on your person because neither a machete, baton, quarterstaff, pepper spray or any kind of gun seems to be something you are carrying with you, otherwise you wouldn't ask stupid questions and make assumptions about what kind of person carries an inconspicuous piece of metal with them.
What kind of mental retardation causes a fully grown adult male to come to the conclusion that just because you have one option takes all other options away from you? Real life is not a video game where you can only carry one weapon at a time, just pick up a stick when the need arises and start swinging - or use your fucking piece of metal that weighs next to nothing an will act as a force multiplier on any attacker that wasn't prepared for any kind of resistance. And shut the fuck up about "oh, now you turned a robbery into a murder and rape" - not how reality works, go outside and touch grass.

>>63930439 (OP)
They're built by retards for retards.

>>63934290
Funny they refuse to buy a gun because they're scary and violent, but have no problem stabbing someone two dozen times.

>>63938266
>two dozen
She'll get one poke in tops before getting blasted by the fist of whatever out-of-shape 150 lb man she's facing.

>>63934290
these are all placebos, any tiny gun is better than all of this shit combined. even a pug

>>63930586
I ran into this problem literally two days ago. I had to fly out to Chicago. I brought the pictured items with me. After going to millennium park, I was walking back to my hotel around 9:45 PM. I knew not to stay past 10 PM. Despite no one else walking around with a flashlight, I pull out my flashlight to feel safer. I don't put the gloves on because it is hot out and I don't want to look weird.

GPS tells me that walking through under a bridge is the fastest way back to my hotel. As I enter one end of the tunnel under the bridge, an inner city youth enters the other end. As I go to walk by him, he moves over into my way.
I move to the side and he moves to that side to block me again.

I look around for a group tourists to run towards, but there are no other people nearby. I notice his hands are shaking, so something is wrong with him.

At this point, I remember I have the gloves in my pocket. However, I have forgotten that I have the pen. I realize that my wallet is on top of the gloves in my pocket. There is no way for my to get the gloves on without pulling out my wallet. Also, pulling out my wallet and showing him how much cash I have is the last thing I want to do. Further, he is so close to me that I don't really have time to get the gloves on.

So I just clench my flashlight really hard and raise it up so that I am ready to strike with it. He looks at me and decides that I am not worth the trouble. He moves out of my way and I take off for my hotel.

>>63934414
It literally is if you're capable of reading

>>63941626
I just illegally carry my gun if I can’t legally carry
>white and not grungy, untattooed so I won’t get Terry Stopped
>I don’t have to do gay shit like point flashlights at crackheads
>if I have to shoot someone, chances are they’re legit criminals and I can just leave because no one gives a shit about them
An acceptable legal middle ground is a big knife and pepper spray, but at no point do I wanna get in a fucking knife fight.
If you’re a woman, a kubaton is just going to get you strangled to death. Pain compliance doesn’t work unless you’re in some kind of low stakes bar fight with a drunk about sports. Jabbing somebody that’s attacking you with a hard plastic spork gets you knocked out and kicked in the head seven times on the ground, male or female.

For self defense, you go all the way or die. I don’t think women comprehend how it feels if you’re a man with testosterone and you’re angry; a keychain Swiss Army knife or chinesium stun gun or gay rape alarm or pokey plastic keychain isn’t stopping shit

>>63941722
>gun
> big knife and pepper spray
I had to fly to Chicago so bringing a gun, knife and pepper spray was not an option. The TSA does not care about pens, gloves and flashlights though.

>>63941749
It's unfortunate that it's such a pain in the ass to fly with firearms. At least twice a year I fly to Colorado to visit family and I straight up bought a fucking Taurus G2 and drove with that bitch up there when I helped a family member move and I leave it at their house permanently. I refuse to walk around any city in a lefty controlled shithole city without a firearm. Luckily the state has CCL reciprocity with mine.

>>63941768
>It's unfortunate that it's such a pain in the ass to fly with firearms
What hassle? Literally just keep it in a locked container and declare it.
My wife's family live in Cali and I always bring a pistol when we visit. Get more hassle from the in-laws than TSA.

>>63941749
Bro pepper spray costs like $10, it can be bought right after you get off the plane and discarded just before going back to the airport

>>63930439 (OP)
When someone is out to rob rape and kill you, remember bitches, mild pain will deter your attacker 100% of the time!

>>63941626
>>63941749
Carry a pocket screwdriver next time. I did that when I had to fly to Maryland a bit ago. Something like this with a small phillips bit is a pretty fine point. I tested it on 2x4s and you can bury it pretty deep. Walmart has the same thing for like $2.

Or if you're going to be walking, especially through shitty areas at night, go to a gas station and buy whatever chinesium knife for $5. It'll work to stab a nigger. Flashlight is always helpful either way.

>>63934290
why wouldn't she just draw on the box?

>>63943371
Won't the tip fall off after one strike? I am planning to buy a few regular screwdrivers and put one in each of my travel bags. You can fly with screwdriver less 7 inches in your carry on bags. And they are only a couple bucks at Walmart or Harbor freight. So even if the TSA decides to confiscate one, I am not losing much.

Rape bros, honest question
> he could be sure - without seeing it - that the screams he heard indicated sexual assault rather than other kinds of violence, he said he believed while listening at the time that it could only have been rape.

WTF is the difference between a chick-getting-raped scream and a chick-getting-killed scream?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

>>63943731
The screams are more regular and continue for longer.

>>63943731
AAAHHH GLUKGLUKGLUKGLUK AAAAAH

>>63932313
A bitch I used to work with got fired for carrying one of these. Company had a strict "no weapons" policy and someone else who hated her guts ratted her out after she ratted out some guy for being racist or someshit. It was supremely satisfying watching her chimp the fuck out.

>>63941626
Anecdotal but it's a lot of them from doing the white guy nod in sketchy areas
>Visible Pocket knife clip: any
>Random dindu violence repellent
It's not just us autists, the cursory scan to size someone up every man does lasers in on the knife existing.

One time coming home from work for the county out on the ghetto
>Eating post work taco Bell
>Methhead guy and homeless nigger type get into altercation in line across room
>Crowd of random hood niggas back up like there is a forcefield
>Homeless nigga just has a pocket knife clipped to his pocket, entire place hooting about "watch fo that knife bro"
>Never had cause or intent to draw knife, nigga moment has passed after throwing the only non bolted to the floor chairs at each other
>Already in the "peacock circle and leave before the police arrive" stage of the altercation, but knife simply existing did several things
>7ft tall Meth head didn't American history X the nigga
>No one jumped in on either of them
Was just a silver pocket clip on your average gas station knife hanging off a pocket. Now would he wildly have stabbed anyone who tried to kick his ass or just escalated the acute violent outburst by jumping in for or against him? 80-20 favoring probably not, but no one wants to get cut. Thumbing your pocket where a knife is/would be under your palm a related habit, even if you're cucked to have a window breaker pen due to municipal law as a fistload. Everywhere else the pocket knife is a bar being set for how any fight will go, even if they don't assume you're carrying alongside being able to cut boxes.

>>63930505
bodied that freak

>>63930439 (OP)
Cheating in chess tournaments

>>63930586
Okay but why not just have a knife on your keychain? Women are allowed to kill it they fear rape.

>>63934290
I like the blinged-out taser.

>>63930999
Checked

>>63943599
>Won't the tip fall off after one strike?
Maybe? I doubt it. Point is you can carry it in a pocket or clipped on like you're used to with a knife.

Carrying a real screwdriver is a better weapon but then you are carrying a fucking screwdriver around all day. If you're in such a bad area you need a real weapon, quit going there. Or fly with a gun and check it. Or check a bag and throw in a real pocket or fixed blade knife.