Ever notice how sci-fi armies almost always have dogshit aerial units?

>>63935178 (OP)
Sci-Fi aerial units tend to also be space units.

>>63935178 (OP)
Pretty much all hostile ayylmao armies in fiction are dog shit.
It's a cope to give the undeveloped humie protaganists a fighting chance.

>>63935178 (OP)
Uhh, yeah buddy. Sure thing.

>>63935178 (OP)
In game it's a biplane. In cutscenes and books and shows and shit it's a supersonic one man aircraft with a shield generator and enough firepower to melt any modern tank in a second. With minimal refit it can be made space capable.

Sci fi is always goofy and all over the place.

>>63935178 (OP)
Good aerial units would achieve air superiority, which makes most of the ground combat irrelevant. Or the AA threat is unsurmountable in which case they wouldn't even be deployed.

>B...but we had to go boots on the ground in GWOT

And that got us...what?

>>63935193
But even humies have shit for air support. Sometimes they don't have any. I don't think the COG had fighter jets in Gears of War, and I can't recall either side having them in Killzone.

It was funny watching Goa'uld space fighters literally getting mopped up by F-15s in Stargate THOUGH

Only shitty Xbox brands who stole their best ideas from Starship Troopers.

Tons of Sci-Fi has amazing aerial concepts and close air support ideas. Glad Halo is dead and its fans are dying of diabetes.

>>63935178 (OP)
>sci-fi armies
Yeah exactly armies.
Now post some badly designed science fiction air forces.

>>63935210
>And that got us...what?
Annoying dudes with beards and handicap placards scowling in walmart parking lots?

>>63935232
A good sci fi force wouldn't bother separating fighting elements into services. Branches exist solely to defend against internal coups.

A well integrated military with decent societal control wouldn't need to separate itself.

>>63935178 (OP)
Ever notice how realistic air units are overpowered as fuck? Even tiny drones.

>>63935240
Are you actually retarded?

>>63935255
He's not. Most sci-fi forces are expeditionary in nature, so they could be a self-sufficient force similar to a USMC MEU or a French GTIA

>>63935255
Also no one cares about vets life experiences

>>63935295
ACTUALLY that has nothing to do with his point of branches being unnecessary

>>63935213
If you hand wave the magic that makes them fly, pelicans and Phantoms are absurdly good air support for what they are, and liches can just sit there and let tanks and hypersonic cannons hammer away at them all day both in the mechanics and the stated lore.

>>63935210
>And that got us...what?
People who called in CAS

>>63935210
Battlefield manages to pull off air/ground balance pretty okay, why does it have to be so shit in every other game?

>>63935248
Most sci-fi seems to assume (well, hope) that some revolution in ECM will make drones/AI/BVR warfare less dominant so that war can be made marshall and heroic again, instead of nerds clicking on their enemies for behind enemy lines in air conditioned rooms.

>>63935361
>Battlefield manages to pull off air/ground balance pretty okay
Yeah because the aircraft are unrealistic as fuck and their behavior is very scaled down

>>63935178 (OP)
The covenant’s military is poorly designed in universe because they are complacent, arrogant and have a concept of tech heresy plus they never went up against a foe that could last more than a few months before humanity

>>63935178 (OP)
Ever noticed that human military technology stagnated in the 1940's in most sci-fi? I hear in Gaylo they are still using APBC rounds in their tanks?

>>63935361
Aircraft are a lot less effective when they have to play in a sub-10km bounding box and can't go in a single direction for more than 20 seconds. They stay within stinger missile or gun range. In reality, you just get PGMs dropped on you from 20 miles out and 5 miles up.

>>63935606
>C-47s, but in space

:0

>>63935560
>>63935626
Well yeah, because it's a game. They're still 10x more capable than aircraft in Halo and pretty much any other FPS.

>>63935178 (OP)
>implying bugs that fly with farts and attack with their poop aren't the peak of military technology

>>63935178 (OP)
The book trilogy Halo was plagiarized from had good air units so idk why you're complaining. VTOL gunships with super-carbon armor encrusted in robotic autocannon mounts so good it's used for CQB support.

>>63935197
FUCK carriers
TPD

Master Sgt. Brian Marsara
Alpha Squadron Marines 2491-95
"aw yeah that's the stuff"
anyone got any stims? pm me

>>63935606
the fucking main tank used throughout the series has an anemic 90mm gun that autists have tried for decades to justify with made up shit.

>>63935361
>Battlefield manages to pull off air/ground balance pretty okay, why does it have to be so shit in every other game?
What the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever played a Battlefield game in a multiplayer server? Not a rhetorical question.

Every server, every round, has either pilots on both teams that are at the top of the leaderboard and either 60 KD or infinity KD because no deaths, or a pilot at the top of one because the other side didn't have a halfway competent pilot. It has been this way in every Battlefield since BF2, released 20 years ago. It has been like this in every noteworthy mod as well going even further back (1942DC, AIX, PR etc) and in the expansions (BFV, SW). As a pilot you can literally just choose not to die in any encounter and kill anyone in the server any time they try to do anything whenever you want.

Battlefield pioneered shitty aircraft and helicopter balance. It has never managed to produce a gane with jets or helicopters where they weren't busted as fuck, ans fangays come out of the woodwork to defend the shit balance with excuses about BF piloting being some elite skill that deserves to be rewarded with 100KD every round, when the reality is that these faggots are just being handheld and get stomped in every fair contest of skill.

>>63935697
most battlefield games I have played that had a vehicle problem boiled down to most of the team not giving a damn that there is a vehicle raping them and swapping to anti-air or anti-tank weapons. faggot teams that only pick assault and sniper classes over AT and AA deserve to get raped for being retards.

>>63935697
I've been in plenty of Battlefield games with a pilot with 120 kills whose team still loses because one guy that can't hold objectives can only have so much effect. And if we're not counting full retard lobbies there's always going to be a halfway decent pilot on the other side to keep that from happening.

>>63935707
>the team not giving a damn that there is a vehicle raping them and swapping to anti-air or anti-tank weapons
The team does that because those weapons don't work, so swapping to the classes with those weapons double fucks you because you're now on a class that can't kill the vehicles that are raping you but now you also lose fights to infantry and can't revive your teammates who are getting fucked by the vehicles. Only retarded noobs swap onto the anti-vehicle classes, because they exist purely as a placebo for retarded noobs so they can feel like they're "doing something" when they're getting asset raped, and then rationalise the asset rape experience as being caused by teammates who didn't use the placebo classes, rather than blaming the game's fundamental inability to balance vehicles.

>>63935735
monumental cope from a COD infantry kiddie

>>63935715
>plenty of Battlefield games with a pilot with 120 kills whose team still loses
Who the fuck cares that the game puts up a screen at the end that says "You're the winner! Good for you!" when your experience of "winning the game" was repeatedlt getting bullshit killed out of nowhere with nothing you could do about it dozens of times in a row. The real winners were the two to four players in aircraft who cucked everyone else, and the real losers were everyone else in the server, and that's the fact of every round of Battlefield that the game tries to hide from everyone.
>halfway decent pilot on the other side
Aircraft being the only counter to aircraft in BF is cancer and accepting it is the root of never getting working aircraft balance.

I'm not going to argue this anymore, not because it wouldn't be instructive for everyone, but because it honestly makes me rage so fucking hard that it will ruin my day if I let it. BF could have been fucking great if they could just have fixed the aircraft shit that plagued BF2 for BF3 rather than doubling down on the cancer and letting it fester.

>>63935758
>I only play for kdr
So go play CS, why did you pay money for a BF game in the first place?

>>63935752
>COD infantry kiddie
You wish. I have literal BF2 TV missile montages on an old hard drive somewhere, slammed out hundreds of hours of PR and Squad, ran tanks and helos in ARMA, and was one of those players raping everyone from a jet or helo all round in BF2 and BF3.

The problem is that once you get out of the rape machine it stops being fun because you are the one who gets raped. The whole fucking enemy team could swap onto an AA class and still never get a single kill against the enemy team's jet, while the jet could still rack up kills if the pilot wasn't retarded. That's how bad the balance was and still is, and people like you are in pure denial about it.

>>63935764
>staring at a respawn screen for half a game is fun because the game told me I'm the real winner at the end
You are a video game cuck.

>>63935764
>>63935758
To clarify my point, if the best you could do as a completely unopposed fighter ace in a Battlefield game is maybe 20 or 30 kills, aircraft would be completely irrelevant to the outcome of the game because they can't hold objectives. The fact that they can be so immensely powerful despite that is what makes them balanced.

>>63935178 (OP)
>ever noticed how video games aren't super realistic?

global rule 2

>>63935783
Here we go. Here's the cope train. I'm not engaging on this shit. There's no world where I'm going to even have a conversation with someone who is going to even try to rationalise it being good game design or balance or even just good to have vehicles that pretty routinely pull >100kd in 20 minutes, for any reason at all. You either have to be someone addicted to abusing it or literally cuck adjacent to even let words like that dribble out of your mouth.

Peace out dude. I hope they keep releasing mid as fuck BFs for you to "enjoy".

>>63935805
Hope you finally realize that PUBG was the game you always wanted to play and stop torturing yourself in BF.

>>63935178 (OP)
While it would be funny if the Master Chief got splattered from 2000 ft up by some chuckling methane breather in a fighter craft, it wouldn’t make for a fun game.

>>63935813
Funny, that's the game I went to, but I finally recently quit because the cheater problem just kept getting worse until it was unplayable (plus the devs were trying really hard to ruin it with silly and gimicky new guns, and awful childish skins to pander to asian whales). I'm on a total break from vidya but might check out Nuclear Strike in a bit.

>>63935817
Would the Covenant actually allow Grunts to pilot things, though? I could see them being brought along as weapon servitors/counter-boarding chaff/grot bommz, but pilots?

>>63935626
Yes, this is it.

>>63935855
the grunts pilot ghosts during the war so its not to out of the question, especially if its a really desperate post war splinter group

>>63935855
i dont think that a grunt would fit into banshee due to the methane tank.they can operate locusts and goblin mechs though.
>>63935200
yeah and they are super agile and can hover.perfect for strafing ground targets in an urban setting.the game version is nothing in comparison

>>63935227
Retard fucking bait post spotted. Bungie pre and post Destiny are completely different studios in regards to staff and mission statements.
Shit on modern Bungie all you want, but you are genuinely fucking retarded if you think there was nothing of worth from their classic catalog just because it was derivative.

>>63935735
honestly the amount of times ive played BF4 as engineer and snuck behind enemy lines to down the other team's attack helo with stingers or tanks with mines is astounding
and that's the worst game for either of those two weapons

>>63936334
You mean blowing it up on the ground? Stupid strat, it just respawns. Hop in and hold it hostage.

>>63936371
no you just go near the out of bounds near the uncap and shoot it when it retreats from a fight, usually it'll have popped ECM already and it'll get disabled by your stinger and fall to the ground

>>63935827
>Nuclear Strike
Did you mean Nuclear Option?

>>63935333
Pelicans are actually pretty sensibly designed for what they are. Basically space C130s.

>>63936412
No, why, is that some kind of a mod for Nuclear Strike 64? (yes)

>>63935178 (OP)
Atmospheric aerial units kinda become irrelevant in a settings where the space itself is contested unless you pull some mumbojumbo bullshit excuse that prevents spaceships from doing orbital strikes.
At the best you just need some small flying drones local surveillance and maybe some transport crafts to improve mobility or logistics.

>>63935606
>>63935696
>I hear in Gaylo they are still using APBC rounds in their tanks?
This is such an old lie only propagated by the faggiest of nerds it actually gives you away to even reference it.

>>63935333
the UNSC also has a specialised fighter in the Longsword, which is capable of flying both inside and outside of atmosphere but is explicitly not SSO (you fly a prototype ground launched space fighter in Reach but even that needs multiple stages to clear the atmosphere)
They are incredibly fast and their weapons can breach covenant starship hulls but they need a mothership to fight in space as they have no slipspace drive

>>63935735
in BF3 you could wipe out the entire enemy teams airforce with a single sniper (with the laser designator) and at least one guy using a javelin. The only exception to this was a transport helicopter with an engineer on board because those were literally invincible so long as he kept holding down the repair button

>>63936865
It was weird that the Broadsword needed (?) a multi-stage launch sequence when Pelicans can just seem to SSTO

Speaking of Pelicans, sci-fi will never go this hard again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fBiUXs1VA

>>63935178 (OP)
>He doesn't know
https://www.halopedia.org/Seraph

>>63936896
actually yeah, now you mention it that is kinda weird
probably an oversight on the part of the writers, but as a shameless (bungie only) halo fanboy I am choosing to believe its because the fighters are reliant on a propulsion system that gives them fighter specs both in and out of atmosphere at the cost of lacking whatever neokraut space magic lets the pelicans do their thing.
Maybe pelicans have some sort of limited Agrav capability that doesn't work above a certain speed and draws fuckloads of power

>>63935696
>tried for decades to justify with made up shit
that's because halo is made up retard

This isn’t an ayys thing so much as just the attempts of people trying to sell the fantasy illusion that close quarter violence is even possible anymore.
This is what the latest and greatest of what video games have on offer are forced to make aircraft behave like to not halve players suffer conniptions over it being unfun. Slow, telegraphed strafe, at easy shooting height and an AOE just barely narrow enough to let anyone escape at a brisk walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh0QS-n-mBo&pp=ygUTaGVsbGRpdmVycyBzdGluZ3JhedIHCQnBCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

>>63936945
It's easily possible to make ground forces viable in video game, you just say there's Patriot batteries operating in the area so air support is unavailable.

>>63935193
This. If an alien species had the technology and power generation for interstellar flight and wanted to wipe us out, they would be so advanced we wouldnt stand a chance. They would be sowing genetic modifying bio weapons to wipe us out, sterilising the planet with high power radiation beams from high orbit or just slamming a load of dinosaur killer size asteroids at us, not coming down to the surface to fight one on one as ground and air troops,

>>63936945
I love 'em to bits from a gameplay perspective because they are fun to fight but the stingrays are made all the more egregious by the fact the player themselves can call in a fast mover at any time that actually behaves like a fast mover (unguided, short range munitions aside)

>>63936945
I legit refuse to play WCS for that very reason, and those guys have it be a safe-space for snipers but:
>Everyone has a x1-x10 optic
>Everyone has a silencer
Is the most miserable dogshit imaginable compared to loud and proud WW2, Vietnam or 2000s-2010s. If they weren't mollycoddling snipers and included suicide drones then it'd be hilarious to punish bush wookies but also would make the experience even more miserable, as it'd just become everyone hiding in the biggest bunker you have playing a video game within a video game of kamakazi drones

>>63935197
Isn't the Carrier increasingly considered dogshit by the Protoss?

>>63935735
Severe cope. I started playing Battlefield in the 1942 days, all the way up until today. All the best mods, like N@W, and I’d kick your kick inside out and backwards in a jet all day, every day. You just fucking suck at dealing with air assets. Case in point.
>>63935758
>The aircraft shit that plagued BF2
The only map that suffered (and does to this day) from vehicle fuckery ruining everything is Wake, and that’s more just because Wake is a shit map with a bad layout and very poor balance overall. In every other map, jets get hard countered by even ground fire from light vehicles, let alone things like Snipers camping and popping pilots. Or god forbid someone hops in a CIWS. 3 offers better dedicated base AA and more options for choppers to sling shit back, but it only REALLY becomes the Rape Zone if you have a buddy on the ground marking targets.

Unironically, fucking get gud. Jets are not that hard to deal with.

>>63936998
The covenant did 99% of its fighting with instant death city melting space beams, from their perspective they were putting boots on the ground most often to acquire Intel or artifacts they thought were more important than a few thousand lives.

>>63935361
>>63935560
>>63935697
It's the weird balance of shit speed and ceiling/sensors combined with map limits and unlimited fuel/ammo and self repair.
If you are a good pilot you can still rape everyone with impunity, especially in a helo with an engineer riding along.

>>63937064
we're actually past the period when it was VOIDRAYS VOIDRAYS VOIDRAYS OOOOHHH all day e'er day, but the point is skytoss is still murderous

>>63935697
This
t. former BFBC2 circle strafing base rape enjoyer

>>63935178 (OP)
Yeah

>>63936874
A sniper who knows how to set up a SOFLAM properly can turn the tide of a match.

>>63935361
Fighter jets in Battlefield basically perform like Banshees
>>63935645
I think you're just bad at Halo.
>>63935735
>double fucks you because you're now on a class that can't kill the vehicles that are raping you but now you also lose fights to infantry
I think you're just bad at Battlefield

>>63935178 (OP)
>Ever notice how sci-fi armies almost always have dogshit aerial units?
Probably because non-dogshit aerial units might complicate the power fantasy of being a tacticool super soldier somehow managing to be a one man army despite only being armed with an assault rifle and a very over powered handgun.

>>63936945
HD2 is very well done all things considered.

>>63939442
For gameplay purposes, yes. The stingrays strafes are fun as well as punishing, But they're also incredibly weak and predictable (again, for gameplay purposes). Realistically, shooting down an A-10 that flies like a Cessna on final with a Barrett is not realistic.
If anything, the leviathans were more credible.

>>63939047
They don't though, Banshees are slower than BF helicopters.

>>63939370
Tangentially, what is even the point of power armor/exoskeleton in sci-fi games when modern weaponry is perfectly capable of defeating them without a sweat? RPG round strapped to a drone or a 25mm autocannon don't really care about how immune the armor is to small arms fire.

>>63936945
Have any games succeeded in making aircraft fun to fight without turning them into WW1 fighter planes?

>>63935783
This is just nonsense cope. Killing massive amounts of players in BF and its offshoots helps your team take, hold and defend objectives, even if (worst case) they were inflicted at random with zero strategic insight. Tickets matter massively. Not only that, but those even that severally underestimated 20 kills would be a significant fraction of the total kills inflicted by the team. The skill of the pilot is by far the most important factor in how well a team does and is also the most influence any single player can exert towards the chances of a team winning or losing.

>>63939664
Because it just shrugs off those attacks.

>>63939664
Presumably power armor lets you carry more equipment, like sensors you need to detect drones, and weapons designed to take them out. It doesn't hurt being able to take twice the weight twice the distance, either.

>>63939664
Being immune to small arms is very useful for obvious reasons I won't bother explaining because contrary to all appearances I'm going to assume you have a few wrinkles in your brain. Also those things don't actually exist as an enemy in those games without either being a boss-tier enemy or having some convenient weaponry nearby that neuters them. At best they'll be an enemy in a set-piece sequence where you have to avoid them.

>>63939720
>Aircraft are extremely effective
I never denied that, and in fact that was my point: aircraft are extremely effective in BF games, not borderline useless like in Halo. If aircraft were only able to achieve similar numbers of kills to top-tier infantry players, while also not being able to take and hold objectives, they would be worthless. Battlefield strikes a good balance between aircraft being pivotal but not insurmountable.

>>63939664
So a man can handle a heavy machine gun capable of splashing most lighter vehicles as if it were an assault rifle.

>>63939775
>If aircraft were only able to achieve similar numbers of kills to top-tier infantry players
They don't though, a top-tier pilot will practically win the game by himself.

>>63935193
in Book of the New Sun, earth is a forgotten about periphery planet far in the future. aliens took one look at earth and said "nah", and treat it like the intergalactic equivalent of Detroit. there is some future tech on earth and alien lifeforms, but for the most part it's essentially regressed to a medieval society. humans fight to be the big fish in a very small pond thanks to aliens.

>>63939667
>without turning them into WW1 fighter planes?
WW1 fighter planes flew at 80-120kts.
WW2 flew at ~340kts

>>63935654
>The book trilogy Halo was plagiarized from

That's not Ringworld by Larry Niven and the New Testament...

>>63939821
The aliens are actually humans and Urth is a "backwater" in the same sense that Rome was a backwater after the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West.

>>63939664
Most of warfare is area of effect weapons. As you increase the effectiveness of personal armor you decrease the lethal area of any area of effect weapon exponentially.

it could have been part of the rebel fleet

>>63939501
Most Halo maps are like 1/10th the size of a Battlefield map. A decent player in a banshee can still absolutely dominate the match.

>>63939667
No, because WWI was basically the peak of military aviation as far as fun is concerned.

>>63936574
It's weird that Pelicans are actually C-130 sized but have such a small troop complement. It can only carry a couple squads.

>>63940475
It is however capable of making orbit on its own.

>>63939800
Yes, that's my point. A top tier infantry player will go like 30-1, a top tier pilot will go like 100-1, and they'll both have a similar effect on the outcome of the game. If aircraft KD was throttled back to what's possible for infantry, aircraft would be irrelevant. The point I've been making is that it's exactly the fact that aircraft are so incredibly dominant that makes them better balanced than other games.

>>63941166
There's not much point in talking about basics of game design. You're just changing the subject and arguing a point no one talked about. Even then, the typical kill count of a pilot in Battlefield games goes way past merely compensating for being unable to capture a flag like you are implying. Jets are overpowered and unbalanced and have an outsized impact on the match more any other player, even the best infantrymen.

>>63935178 (OP)
They don't even give good reasoning for it. Like maybe said alien civilization is more invested in exoatmospheric fighting vehicles with their atmospheric counterparts being relatively neglected. Or that transatmospheric aircraft inherently come with some drawbacks.

>>63941296
My head canon is that they established dominance over the universe so long ago they've prioritized style over function. like the Human Covenant war are like if Fallujah was invaded by marines in dress blues.

>>63935178 (OP)
i like whenever people draw space-bitches with that hexogonal texture on their clothes

>>63936412
omg is the pilot ok

>>63935178 (OP)
the Banshee is the best controllable vehicle in Halo
also the saucer in Destroy all humans is OP as fuck

>>63939047
you dont need any special gear in halo
every map with a banshee spawns Spartan lasers and sniper rifles

>>63937035
WCS went all in on snipernigger coddling and helifag spam

Fuck streamers.

>>63941296
>>63941468
more like the covenant are all subservient species that didnt require that much airpower to have their shit pushed in and surrender
do the grunts really need Waziristan-teir drone strikes or Forerunner genocide weapons to make them assimilate?
did the jackals?
what about the red guard ape Brutes?
did the Sangrhelli? they didnt even fully assimilate, they rebelled in 2 and half of them are on the humans side in 3

>>63940475
>It's weird that Pelicans are actually C-130 sized but have such a small troop complement. It can only carry a couple squads.
It makes sense when you realize the Pelicans need to be big enough to haul scorpions around. If you extended the troop compartment (and add an extra row of seats inside it) you'd get something that could more reasonably hold about a platoon of dudes.

>>63943129
>half of them are on the humans side in 3
Virtually all sangheili rebelled and represented the main force against the covenant and the main political and military force in the entire galaxy after the war.
The humans were destroyed down to one planet, 90% of which was destroyed.


Everything else is post trilogy retcons of objective stated canon information.

>>63943637
>down to one planet
Didn't covies skipped a lot of human colonies because they found earth by accident?

>>63943637
You're full of shit

>>63943637
Officially we lost 23 billion out of 39 billion, 16 billion is quite a lot of people to rebuild

>>63943925
>>63935178 (OP)
I forgot to quote.

>>63943925
>Cycle of Righteous Intent

>>63943129
>did the jackals
unironically the lore states the jackals put up a pretty decent fight before joining, to the point they were essentially allowed to join as mercs and not fully embrace the covenant religion, which also makes it odd majority of them stuck with the covenant during the schism since you would think the moment they saw it fall apart they would just go straight to looting everything and getting out while the brutes and elites killed each other

>>63935361
In battlefield decent vehicle players shut down entire lobbies. If jets weren't capped at 200mph and carried standoff munitions battlefield would be the least fun game of all time.

>>63936301
Hindsight is 20/20 I know but as a zoomer having gone back and played a bunch of these old games, doom is genuinely not fun, halo has its moments but never would have sucked me in and half life is the only one worth playing. Quake is the best of those 'boomer' shooters and I personally don't think the others come close. I don't understand how halo managed to build such a strong fan base. It's objectively worse than quake.

>single ship casually super novas your sun in less than a microsecond
Nothing personal kid

>>63935178 (OP)
The Banshee is a bad example of this. It's essentially an extremely versatile close air support craft that can perform basic air to air combat if absolutely necessary and it can land ANYWHERE. That's something that would be extremely useful if you're trying to fight a wars on a planetary scale and need to give every single platoon some kind of aerial support that's readily available. The Covenant already has dedicated aerial units like the Seraph and Space Banshee that are much faster and much more potent for A2A and space combat roles. We only ever see the ground Banshees after the covenant basically has total air and space superiority anyway so it's not like anti-air is too much of an issue for them. It's akin to the US deciding to start using piston engine planes to bomb the shit out of towel heads except the plane can land anywhere and never needs to refuel and has infinite ammunition.

>>63944525
to add to that
"land anywhere" is actually anywhere and
not "gotta clear out twice the space of a chinook because the wake from an osprey will fuck up/drown everyone in a 300 foot radius"

>>63935178 (OP)
Is the banshee a good example of this? Is having a light gunship with the same ubiquity and ease of use as a humvee, dogshit?

>>63944525
desu every time we see one of the little fuckers splash a Pelican or disrupt a landing the entire squadron's already paid for itself. They also exist in a weird sorta niche where the UNSC doesn't really field much to counter them because MANPADS are out of scope for the games, they employ their AA like cavemen, and tasking Longswords to hunt them would be utter nonsense.

>>63944309
Powerlevelfags should all rope themselves
gbk2/deathbattle

>>63944174
If Battlefield included Patriot batteries, aircraft wouldn't exist.

Penis spaceships.
Only on Xbawks

>>63944309
Where? I read those books and they were busy with thier universe portal in the only book they appeared in.

>>63935178 (OP)
Do Xeelee nightfighters count as aerial units?

>>63944837
What is with the spacebattles raid this week

>>63944574
>MANPADS are out of scope
isnt the rocket launcher guided munitions?

>>63943796
>>63943824
>>63943913
Officially and canonically only 200 million humans survived the war. Everything after that was a retcon. The UNSC no longer exists.

>>63935178 (OP)
It's true

>>63946605
I personally think the turret-toss launched planes are brilliant

>>63940475
Infinite Warfare's Raven handles the job better while only being marginally large than the Pelican. Superior internal carrying capacity, including provisions for armoured vehicles and mechs.

>>63935178 (OP)
Op is underage

>>63948057
OP is in his fucking 30s and is in a dead-end job so he thinks about gaylo all day.

>>63946630
Except none of the guns can traverse. Is the Feddie directly in front of you? No? Better lift off and try to kamikaze him.

I like this fucking thing

why did the covenant replace this with phantoms

>>63949723
Because one of the designers on Halo 2 didn't like the covenant dropship being too flat and utilitarian looking compared to all the other more flamboyant and organic angles to the other Covenant tech and vehicle designs. So they made a new dropship that's supposed to look like a Cobra's head coming at you from the front.

>>63949723
The covenant was already using phantoms by the time of Reach, but the Arbiter's fleet didn't get theirs until later. Both should be used but the spirit should only be for areas already secure since it's really easy to kill all the passengers as they jump out

>>63949723
Because the Spirit is shit. You can't just grav drop your troops from altitude, you need to find a big open space, and expose your troops as they are getting out.

>>63944225
The only thing objective about this post is that it's retarded. I get it, tastes may vary, but you're really talking a whole lot of shit with nothing of substance to back it up.

>>63949838
it's indestructible.

>Haloniggers are here
alright make yourselves useful

how did the Covenant defeat the humans? what tactics did they use?

>>63950018
we've been having halo threads on this board before you were able to convince your mother to buy you an M rated game

>>63935178 (OP)
Earth has weirdly high atmospheric density for a goldilocks planet. Very very high. I could explain further but everyone here is retarded. You don't get Tomcats if your planet wasn't smushed by the vacancy between Mars and Jupiter about 4.3 bya. Suck it xenos.

>>63950018
Having an invincible navy which not only outnumbered the humans fleet by a factor of ten or a hundred, but was also pound for pound class for class exponentially superior. Three of your frigates for one of theirs, three of your cruisers for one of theirs, and they have entire classes you have literally no equivalent to.

Lancaster's square law says that numbers differences in ranged fights add up to exponential increases in damage output, but it still takes 3-1 odds to "trade evenly" with the covenant.

The covenant creamed the humans throughout the "war" and the entire second half was them doing the cosmic equivalent of throwing grenades into foxholes.

>>63950018
What he said
>>63950042
And for any ground engagements they would just blast the surface with plasma until the ground melted into glass. The only real time this wasn't an option was if forerunner relics were on the planet that they didn't want to destroy. And to answer some people in thread who have asked why the vehicles suck there's two reason. 1. It's a game. 2. For the UNSC at least it didn't matter if you built the best, heaviest armed tank in the world, the Covenant was going to blow it up near instantly. May as well shit out 50 future ft-17s instead of one high tech tank. Same goes for the technical. The space Bradley wont save you, may as well go fast and shoot more dakka.

>>63943824
most of humanity dies in the covenant war

>>63935178 (OP)
First, that is not dogshit, that thing seems fun and easy to pilot around wherever you want and do whatever with it.
Second, the more sci-fi, the more you have to make up some reason why air power and missiles can't be used, because otherwise it becomes insanely boring... like real life warfare, right now.

"Some guy bombed some shit" isn't fun and dramatic

>>63950018
they outnumbered humanity while starting off with a far larger tech advantage (even the shittiest covenant ship had shield, far superior armor, and their weapon easily melts through any human ship armor)

>>63950018
kys

>>63950018
sabotaging orbital defenses with strike teams
then genocide

>>63944821
Vacuum diagrams. The Xeelee had those star breaker guns. Technically it was a Qax that blew up their own sun and the Xeelee only cared about the ring until humanity forced them to basically wipe them out. Also whoever designed that night fighter has zero fucking clue. They're supposed to be soft and organic.

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

>>63950680

>>63950042
>>63950104
>>63950243
thanks
so how did the humans survive and turn the tables?
gesture of goodwill?

>>63950018
When I decided to actually have a decent look into it the Covenant appear to use combined arms tactics often supporting their infantry with armor, artillery and air support.
Meanwhile the humans tend to use meatwave tactics. Mainly waves of troops occasionally supported by light vehicles.
>>63950042
>Three of your frigates for one of theirs
I had a look in that in depth. The average Covenant ship was roughly three times the size of a human ship equivalent. Assuming a basis of three frigates would stand a reasonable chance of taking it out then on a ton for ton basis humans were on par with the Covenant. The Covenant just had fuckton more of these larger vessels.
Based this on the few equal tonnage battles I saw which the Covenant basically lost in space. Whether that was intentional or something overlooked on the writers part I'm not sure?

>>63951148
>the Covenant appear to use combined arms tactics
>>63951148
>Meanwhile the humans tend to use meatwave tactics
>The average Covenant ship was roughly three times the size of a human ship equivalent. Assuming a basis of three frigates would stand a reasonable chance of taking it out then on a ton for ton basis humans were on par with the Covenant. The Covenant just had fuckton more
thanks, that was exactly what I was asking about

never played Halo, it just somehow passed me by. because I had no Xbox probably. got curious about the in-universe tactics however.

>>63951148
>I had a look in that in depth. The average Covenant ship was roughly three times the size of a human ship equivalent
They have ships all throughout the sizes of human ships from smallest to biggest and an order of magnitude beyond, their ships really are just better pound for pound and they also have 100 times as many. Remember that like half of the silhouette of a Corvette is empty space and huge internal voids (troop spaces and hangars), and the Corvette you're probably thinking of is not by a longshot the smallest ship the covenant has. Meanwhile the UNSC frigate is built like a gun twice the size of an aircraft carrier with an office building on it's ass.

>Based this on the few equal tonnage battles I saw which the Covenant basically lost in space. Whether that was intentional or something overlooked on the writers part I'm not sure?
The vast majority of space battles were complete shutouts and most of the UNSC's very few victories were through massive attrition. Again, numbers advantages are exponential advantages in ranged combat and the UNSC would still suffer almost complete losses with a 3-1 advantage.

Mid size covenant vessels (capable of mounting

>>63951018
Humanity basically got its ass kicked for 27 years straight until a Hail Mary play by one of the smartest humans in recorded history ended up shattering the unifying religion that held the races of the Covenant together.

>>63951191
Capable of mounting energy projectors were able to split UNSC ships in half front to back like a fucking anime robot swinging a giant katana.

>>63951018
The covenant more or less collapsed due to inevitable internal pressures, with help from the human heroes which bought them some good will from the winning faction of the covenant civil war.
The Elites got tired of fighting a meaningless endless quagmire war with no clear objectives against a race they had no real problems with, meanwhile the worm men who had convinced everyone they were God's chosen people kept provoking them and cutting back their rights and influence and shouldering them with the burden of more and more degenerate subraces, and forcing them to live amongst huge gay rhino bear monkeys that acted like they were invincible nonstop even though they'd never won a war in fucking history.

Anyway the elites won the war against humanity then turned around when humanity was 99% dead and then destroyed the entire rest of the covenant in like two years, leaving them the undisputed rulers of the galaxy. Later writers retconned all of this without replacing it with anything, Halo is now about ugly zoomers with over pronounced nasolabial folds like every game must be by law.

>>63951193
>Hail Mary play by one of the smartest humans in recorded history ended up shattering the unifying religion that held the races of the Covenant together
thanks
yeah that much of the lore I kind of guessed
>Humanity basically got its ass kicked for 27 years straight
this part I didn't know
hence why I was wondering, where did the SPARTAN programme fit in, was it before or after the Covenant

>>63951234
>huge gay rhino bear monkeys
que?
>nasolabial folds like every game must be by law
...is that a thing now?

where do the bird aliens fit in?

also, to keep this tactical, how did the humans not get wiped out by 27 years of space war? is there an actual tactical explanation, or is it just a "don't think too much about it" thing?
I ask because not knowing anything at all about Halo, I can't tell the difference between proton torpedoes and the Holdo manoeuvre, if you get my drift

>>63951289
>hence why I was wondering, where did the SPARTAN programme fit in, was it before or after the Covenant
nta, but the Spartans were made before first contact with the Covenant as super-glowies designed to kill rebel humans. Then the aliens showed up and started killing everyone so the Spartans came in handy and ended up winning the war.

>>63951289
>where did the SPARTAN programme fit in, was it before or after the Covenant
The SPARTAN program was a thing well before Humanity and the Covenant came into conflict.
For context, there was a large scale rebellion brewing in human space that was projected to kill an absurd amount of people.
As a result, a new generation of the program was approved with the explicit purpose of quelling insurrections with surgical strikes to their leadership.
It just so happened that once that class of Spartans (the SPARTAN IIs) had finished their training, the Covenant came around. Even after that there were still plenty of Spartans deployed to neutralize rebels rather than fight the Covenant.

>Have teleportation
>Dont need planes because i can just spawn my guys next to your airport iwth no warning and rape your planes

>people forgetting that Master Chief literally won the war single handedly due to his magical stage restart powers.

>>63947680
I'm not interested in the 'doing it better' metric, but the Killzone Shadowfall dropship is cool as fuck

>>63951289
The bear monkey are called the brutes and are the ape men riding space assault bikes with edgy guns. The bird ayys are mercs fighting for the Covenant. Also 343-era Halo games writing is really bad.

For the humans surviving thing it's more due to the Covenant doing their level best to wipe every human colony out therefore forcing them to spend time orbital bombarding each planet that doesn't have any forerunner artifact or base on it. Plus humanity themselves doing their very best making sure to not expose where their main strongholds were for as long as possible.

I like these guys

>>63952228
it looks extremely GDI

personally, I really like the MCU Avengers 1 SHIELD Quinjet
it looks exactly as you'd expect a futuristic COD / utility cargo dropper to be

>>63952395
>For the humans surviving thing it's more due to the Covenant doing their level best to wipe every human colony out therefore forcing them to spend time orbital bombarding each planet that doesn't have any forerunner artifact or base on it. Plus humanity themselves doing their very best making sure to not expose where their main strongholds were for as long as possible
right, thanks

so the humans played Space Chu Chi Tunnels and the Covenant played whackamole and got mired in Space Tora Bora. makes a kind of sense

>>63951289
>hence why I was wondering, where did the SPARTAN programme fit in, was it before or after the Covenant
The spartan program was a secret prototype army where the government of the UNSC would kidnap the children of colonists, turn them into cybernetic psychopaths, and have them terrorize their own people on behalf of the central government as punishment for not wanting to be ruled by a planet across the galaxy.

They *accidentally* created heroes. They never intended the Spartans to be good people, only loyal hell golems. Well, the lead scientist wanted them to replace humans completely but she was fine with the whole child torture and genocide thing.

>>63952630
yeah I got that bit of lore too
was that 343 era or original Bungie?

>>63951289
>also, to keep this tactical, how did the humans not get wiped out by 27 years of space war? is there an actual tactical explanation
Space is big, and the UNSC ended up taking fanatical measures (i.e. blow yourself up on threat of capture) to ensure navigational data that could reveal where the Human colonies were did not fall into Covenant hands. Most of the war was the Covenant trying to find dozens of needles spread across dozens of haystacks. This worked so well it became a major plot point that the Covenant discovered earth based on ancient records indicating there were Forerunner ruins on it before they figured out it was the Human homeward. This resulted in the Prophet of Regret living up to his namesake when he thought he could snatch up the gibs by himself with a small fleet without letting any of the other Prophets in on it.

>>63951289
>also, to keep this tactical, how did the humans not get wiped out by 27 years of space war? is there an actual tactical explanation, or is it just a "don't think too much about it" thing?
>I ask because not knowing anything at all about Halo, I can't tell the difference between proton torpedoes and the Holdo manoeuvre, if you get my drift
The humans did a good job of concealing their colonies and the covenant had no science fiction way of finding them, so it was just an endless series of "covenant stumbles upon us or finds out about a single planet or fleet, escalates until we're all dead or run away, rinse repeat."
You have to imagine that for the covenant the war was like one of America's endless wars of the last sixty years. Endlessly playing grab ass with savages out in the wastelands, racking up hilarious kill ratios and accomplishing little. The covenant are obsessed with artifacts from an ancient civilization that in the original cannon was directly related to humans, unbeknownst to any but the covenant leadership, who decided to completely annihilate humanity so their cushy grift wouldn't be up and they wouldn't be massacred by the aliens that they'd convinced they were God's chosen. Many battles in the war started when some covenant ship looking for an archeological site bumped into a human colony and had to call the nearest fleet for help. Sometimes the covenant would handicap itself leaving off ship bombardment of an area because they needed to search for some million year old toasters or something and it was worth a million slave lives.

Always remember that the covenant civil war was inevitable, and the leading "prophets" were working against the most powerful military race the "elites" for at least three decades. The whole war was predicated on hiding things from the elites until they could be worked into a position of weakness, which ended up not working.

>>63952684
>>63953111
All of humanities colonies were concentrated in a 100 light year space around Earth, and presumably not the ones with giant or red dwarf stars. It should have been pretty easy to find them, and the only thing devs came up with is "slipspace lanes are wonky."

>>63944837
Exultant is the best Xeelee book because it's the only one where the Nightfighters are less than ultimate-God-tier.

>>63935200
The banshee is always pace capable. It's just a matter or putting the pilot in a space suit.

>>63953341
Not really true. Humans were a more numerous and spread out species than any single covenant race. They had lots of outposts and colonies. Most of them weren't strong enough to hold out against a single covenant fleet, though. Humanity was perpetually losing the equivalent of foreign military bases. The battle for Reach was the first time that humanity really made a stand. It was their equivalent to Hawaii, the strongest place outside of the mainland. Half the navy was sent to defend it. As such, losing it was a big blow. Nothing short of the miracle that was Master Chief and Cortana landing on Halo - and the events that spawned - could have saved humanity.

>>63935735
severe skill issue

>>63955910
IIRC Reach was stronger than Earth and by a lot. It was the actual capital of the UNSC because it was covered in nuclear powered titanium refineries feeding orbital shipyards which were built during colonization, infrastructure which couldn't be built around Earth because of nimbys.

>>63935178 (OP)
Bump

>>63955910
>>63957330
Halo is
>A faction that looks like America but fights like their enemies
Vs
>A faction that fights like America but looks like their enemies

Reach was the sort of the Tet Offensive.

>>63935178 (OP)
That’s why the best sci-fi armies make their aerial forces and their space forces one and the same, pic related

>>63939821
sex with Jolenta

>>63935178 (OP)
its really hard to put aircraft into fps games. its kinda pointless, aircraft either completely fucking dominate because they go fast and high, or you make them slow and low and they are awful pieces of shit. its stupid. dont bother.

>>63952684
>>63953341
>>63955910
>>63957330
cool little lore trivia relating to the forerunner connection to earth and the covenant leadership - in one of the canons (can't remember which because the game studio changed or something and the change included a change in lore direction) humanity is either genetically descended from the forerunners directly, OR were pre-selected by the covenant, in such a way that humanity is actually the species bearing the strongest claim to the "mantle of responsibility" to govern and care for all life in the universe (which the forerunners first held). The whole power structure of the covenant depends on the religious belief that the prophet-tier alien species are the ones holding this responsibility; it's implied that the prophets know about humanity's ties to the forerunners, and wanted to exterminate humanity primarily to eliminate the threat to their own power. We see many characters in game on the covenant side of things actually start to question this, with the split-lips often wondering why the humans can't just be integrated into the covenant out of respect for their determination and fighting prowess.

tldr humans are the forerunner's successors which challenges the prophets' power, so the prophets tried to exterminate humanity to maintain their own power

>>63957793
It's graver than that. If humans are direct descendants of forunners, that means some forunners were left behind on the great journey, which means the promise (covenant) the prophets made to the rest of the species that "everyone gets to go to heaven" is wrong. Humans aren't just a threat to the prophet's power, they're a threat to the covenant itself.

>>63939821
Sounds lame as hell.

>>63957823
yeah just went back to read up on the lore, it's not just a threat to the prophets, humanity's existence itself (and their nature as the successors to the forerunners, who would be known as 'reclaimers' in-universe by covenant religion) threatens the covenant's religion as a whole. And this comes to pass to some extent - the prophets' bullshit eventually leads to the great schism, a civil war within the covenant, which (along with flood shenanigans) allows humanity to turn the tide and win the war.

Somewhat unrelated but I find sci-fi universes with ancient forerunner races (and particularly, ones where humanity is a descendant or successor of these races) so fucking kino, anyone else?

reminder that this exists (the greatest unintentional ad for irl paratroop units desu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMUYpH7bQk

>>63957854
Sci-Fi archeology is always fun. I've sunk a lot of time into Starsector lately. There are many lost colonies and centuries-old ship graveyards to discover in that game, fun stuff.
https://youtu.be/k1jb1WgOsSc

>>63957854
Humanity didn't turn the tide, the sangheili killed 99% of the human race on the prophet's orders, then turned around and killed 99% of the prophets and brutes.

>>63958088
Why are you so autistic about this, to the point it not being canon makes you piss your pants in anger

>>63958096
Enjoy your updated canon with buck toothed AIs puffing out their nose-cheek creases

>>63935178 (OP)
yeah because aliens dont have air for aircraft in space, dumbass. low on the priority list

>>63958088
Are you some kind of sanghelli fanboy? You sound like you jack it to them every night. I don't think the elites killed 99% of anything. Cortana did, though. She obliterated the brute homeworld.

>>63936896
>never go this hard again
Marcus casually dropping that Bungie would need a trilogy at minimum for the plot they had come up with for after the events on the Ark really makes me think. I hope we get those notes/storyboards someday, even if the IP has already been shelved by then.

>>63935178 (OP)
>why don't all games play like milsims
Doing it up right requires a level of realism that most people just aren't looking for or thinking of doing as leisure activity.
That might change as high-fidelity games get easier to make (putting aside those chasing graphics that are 1:1 with life) and VR + button hybrid setups improve.

>>63952641
It's Bungie era lore and has yet to be contradicted or retconned iirc.

>>63959005
I keep seeing you post about fucking nose creases in multiple threads. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>63935735
This man does not know how to use gadgets and does not know the joys of counter-sniping with rocket launchers, placing anti-tank mines in vehicle spawns and making entire hardpoints disappear with the power of C4, an ATV and a dream.
I bet you've never single-handedly ruined the flow of a map by sneaking spawn beacons behind the frontlines to have your guys conduct paratrooper operations in the enemies own spawn zone.
Total game journo behaviour.

>>63935235
I actually know that guy irl. He's nice.

>>63960522
If you're in the enemies spawn point you've basically already won. Even if it's just one man. I can't think of anything more advantageous short of similarly themed situations or an pilot repeatedly winning the air fight and dominating the match.

>>63935178 (OP)
>blocks your airpath

>>63959704
It's just what happened, no amount of newfag screeching changes that.

>>63935735
Bullshit, Battle field pdws were based, you could snife with the Thompson
I felt competent with an PDW in Battlefield Bad Company 2

>>63936834
That animation is so good
Those animators were talented back then, when they cared for their product

>>63961786
Yes, Cortana doing the genocide (of brutes) is what happened. Here's a picture. The Elites wish they could be like her.

>>63962808
If every jiralhanae died, what sector of galactic society would suffer?

>>63953341
>100 light year space around Earth, and presumably not the ones with giant or red dwarf stars
Red dwarves are pretty generous for habitable zones, although some of them have a lot of sun spot activity and their planets inside those zones tend to be tidally locked. Even at the (pretty arbitrary and low) tech level of Halo, the USNC would definitely be capable of terrforming and settling planets around red dwarves. In some ways, even at UNSC tech level, being tidally locked is a big advantage since you get max efficiency out of surface based solar activities (solar panels, growing food) and you get a strong energy gradient that you can exploit for work thanks to wind. The light profile of red dwarves is also probably better for growing earth-based plants than even the Sun's since the overall output has more photons with energy levels they can use for photosynthesis relative to ones that are too high energy and can damage them.

Having said all of this, the problem of the Covenant finding all human settlements is a sci-fi hand wave. Even including red dwarves, there are only something like 14,000 star systems within 100ly of Earth, a great many don't have planets in their habitable zone, and we already have the technology to determine just from occultations whether an exoplanet atmosphere has gases from industry etc in it. With any kind of non-sillily limited FTL it would be pretty trivial to determine all systems with planet-based human habitation within a few years at most.

>>63962895
>growing food
don't most plants require at least some night time? i guess they could try their hands at genetic engineering, but im not a big halo head.

>>63958088
If John Halo didn’t do things to cause the prophets and brutes to chimp out in the first place everyone would’ve died

>>63962895
Red dwarfs have pretty small habitable zones. Most of their light is IR, which plants don't use. Solar panels can use the upper spectrum of the IR band.

Just because noone seems to have mentioned it yet, there was a doctrinal issue with the design of UNSC ships that was a pretty big handicap

Nothing is shielded, so one big enough hit is all you need, which made defensive MAC satelites ideal. The logical response is to MAC the MACs, so UNSC ships are basically all just spinal railguns wrapped in enough armour to shrug off anything smaller than a MAC. Older ships like the hero-ship in the games had insane armour and structure because it was expected to brawl, but with the central government uncontested and reorganizing it was deemed overkill and they preferred lighter and cheaper blueprints.

Enter the covenant ship- a cathedral in worship of its own technology. Ship-for-ship its lighter faster and stronger because its entire hull is a single cast of monocrystal unobtainium. It has forerunner reactors running forerunner drives.

In a head to head fight the MAC fires first, and gets eaten by the hax-tier shield. In a 2v1 the first shell pops the shield and the second one might cripple the cruiser IF they both hit and its within the brief coordinated window, but if not the covvies just beam you in half
3v1 is the only way to make that engagement semi-reliable

>>63962895
Red dwarves have erratic, violent flare activity though.

I love Halo games and lore (343 need not apply) but the online discussion is so buckbroken with retards who don't know anything and barely played the games let alone read a book, gameplay purists who can't understand that an assault rifle is perfectly fine in lore but for gameplay reasons has ridiculous spread or why we never see complicated combined arms warfare from 2007 video games, 343 "fans" who only exist to poison the well and degrade good halo games in a vain attempt to elevate dogshit titles.

Halo is a dead franchise and no amount of cope will ever make halo 4 onwards good and the continued mistreatment of the games IP, lore and public image makes me unironically embarrassed to be a halo fan in 2025.
Happy disability pride month btw spartans! your all accepted here

>>63964105
I'm shocked they're still supporting Infinite, but at the same time I can't imagine it's hard for all the interns they cycle every year and a half to crap out some new textures for any given holiday.
Here's hoping that Combat Evolved remake dies in the crib.

>>63964105
>disability month
I thought that was last month

>>63963615
The habitable zones are absolutely small, but enormous relative to the size of the systems. The proportion of the gravitational neighborhood that's habitable is much higher. As for the emission spectrum, it's not really useful to think that most of the light is emitted as IR, because the key thing that I'm getting at is that basically none of it is emitted as UV (or blues etc). For "normal" red dwarves (ie M type, not L type), you're still getting plenty of light in the visible spectrum for a planet that's in the habitable zone, it's just that practically none of it is in higher wavelengths that potentially damage cells and stuff. Plants are green because their energy generation mechanism can either take a blue or red photon (which they can do 1 or 2 electrons worth of work with respectively) but reflect green because it's at an awkward 1.5 units of work and would damage the sites for 1 electron activation but not activate the ones for 2 electrons. Similarly they need to protect themselves from UV etc with cellular processes and structures that would be less necessary if you had less of it to worry about. An ideal environment for growing genetically engineered plants optimised for efficiency (ie light energy in:caloric energy or nutrients out) you'd want as little of the light to be above, say, 600 or maybe even 650nm (assuming then you only use chlorophyll a and eliminate b production altogether) of energy as possible so you could dispense with all the effort that gets wasted on protecting from higher energy stuff and just yield more.
>>63962895
Yeah I mentioned that, although we don't really know how common or frequent it is (because it's hard for us to observe any red dwarves except for the ones really close to us, and there seems to be a lot of variation in that from the ones we can observe). The total known proportion of red dwarves that are also flare stars is tiny, although even non-flare red dwarfs are more active than other stars.

Second quote in >>63964175 was meant for >>63964033

>>63947680
>>63943337
Real aircraft are rather large especially when you take wingspan rather than fuselage width into consideration.

An osprey that can fly into space has got to be big just for the fuel and engines. I think the helldivers eagle and pelican should be an extra 50% larger.

>>63940217
*WW2

>>63964236
I think Korea would be even more fun, actually

>>63935361
>fighter jet used in one match doesn’t spend the next 30 matches in maintenance
Completely unrealistic video game bullshit

>>63935178 (OP)
Don't need 'em. You got hover tanks, orbital bombardment, superior firepower...

>>63935606
You’re totally right, forgot that in the 40s we had power armor, shield fields, rail guns, man portable missile launchers with guided missiles, laser weapons, cryogenic suspension, hyperspace and starships. The fuck are you even talking about?

>>63964033
So does our sun and stars like it.

>>63964017
It’s not really a doctrinal issue if it’s the best option you have. Humans didn’t have shield technology when the war with the covenant started beyond maybe prototypes from retcons. If MACs are what win you battles then more cheap ships with a MAC each are better than fewer more expensive ships with a MAC each when everything is taken out with one MAC hit anyway. If you have enough cheap ships to destroy your enemy from beyond their reach then their (lack of) armor is irrelevant, and if you don’t have enough then it’s still better because you would have even less ships of the other variety and each ship loss would take away an even greater percentage of the only weapon you have that means anything.

>>63964434
Kinda like in 'real robots' you can have one guy waging a gorilla war with his gundam with no one helping him maintain it, or hiding their giant robot under sand and dirt for however long and just jumping out into battle when he decides its time to fight again.

All the issues with jets would apply just as hard to the 'realistic' giant robots that aren't just giant superheroes that explicitly ignore stuff like that because they operate on magic cosmic whatever.

>>63951018
Aside from the fact that they were an unstable religious death cult composed of slave races prone to uprisings, the biggest gut punch against the Covenant was losing High Charity to the flood. If that never happened they probably could've held on long enough to activate the Halo Array or glass the rest of Earth, even with the great schism still going on.

>>63964451
He is referring to the way war is fought.

>>63964434
>doesn’t spend the next 30 matches in maintenance
Vehicles that respawn on short timers throughout the battle. Crews can always bail, and vehicle losses don't impact tickets

>>63965257
I think he meant that military SF today is still largely the same as Silver Age military SF, because technological developments have not progressed so far as to make Silver Age SF totally obsolete
just to compare with Dune:
>no shields
>no lasguns
>no FTL
>no combat spaceships
>no antigrav
he's not entirely wrong

>>63964537
I figure real robots could be as reliable as a turbocharged diesel. Limbs and joints can have low velocity flexible seals to keep out debris like the rubber boots in a car's undercarriage. Helicopters like the Hip and Hind have a sand deflector for their turbine intakes where the air turns sharply and the particulate's inertia cannot follow.

>>63961738
Based

>ITT everyone except one guy forgets that the seraph exists
the banshee is a close air support aircraft similar to a helicopter but better in every way

>>63939821
Scifi writers are one step above chatgpt. What a bunch of derivative childlike nonsense

>>63965954
Wolfe isn't a typical sci fi writer despite the way that anon describes BotNS. He's closer to Borges than GRRM. He's well worth reading if you enjoy literature, I'd recommend starting with The Fifth Head of Cerberus if you decide to give him a try. It's a standalone novelette that's very good and fairly representative of the quality and style of the rest of his work.

>>63966078
>Borges
Doubt.

>>63966276
Obnoxious poster

>>63964457
Solar flares don't increase solar output 100-fold and strip the Earth's atmosphere entirely.

>>63966276
Like I said, give Fifth Head of Cerberus a read. It's not long. Wolfe and Borges are two of my favorite authors.

>>63966078
I found his Book of the New Sun to be a good book and not at all entertaining. It ought to be put on display in a museum instead of left in libraries where someone might accidentally read it looking for a fun time.

>>63964436
based

>>63967446
Filtered.

>>63964175
Overall, I agree that red dwarfs have surmountable challenges, but I think you make them seem too easy or give them dubious silver linings. Some of you statements are not quite fitting with a lot of what I've read about the challenges of M-type star colonisation.

Dwarf stars have small habitable zones that are punishingly close to the star and narrow, no matter how you classify them. It's why the planets in those zones are tidally locked. The proximity can result in extreme temperature differences on a planet with moderate orbital eccentricity. It's manageable with underground habitats or domed cities.

They also face a lot of solar wind, not just from the proximity to the star, but also because red dwarfs tend to flare a lot more than mature G-type suns, like our own. This flaring is because red dwarfs churn a lot. They don't have an impermeable core, which makes them live longer, but also makes them flatulent little stars. This is still manageable with lagrange point magnetic field generators, or again with domed/underground cities.

Lastly, red dwarfs just emit less usable photons for photosynthesis. Less light in general is going to be hitting planets in the habitable zone, compared to a G-type. Less, green, red, blue, and less of everything else, from IR to UV and so forth. This is relatively easy to mitigate by using power sources (you mentioned a few) to artificially produce enough of the right light for plants. Creative green houses with light magnification and filtering may also be viable.

Again, I don't disagree with your conclusion. It's just that you went into so much detail that it set off my space colonisation autism.

>>63940475

It needs enough fuel to fly in and out of orbit as well as carry heavy equipment + infantry and supply said infantry with oxygen whenever its in space. with all that in consideration its going to be fucking big

>>63968192
The pelican is impossible if you consider its fuel and life support longevity. The crybaby Mexican dude in Halo Infinite survived in his stranded Pelican for 6 months. The fuck was he even eating? Never mind the CO2 and waste disposal.

>>63968277
>The fuck was he even eating? Never mind the CO2 and waste disposal.
two weeks' emergency supplies for 12 people?

>>63968277
Maybe he was obese and just fasted

>>63965257
With the exception of 1/1000 scenes like that war in Halo is fought by airdropping everything almost or literally on top of the enemy.

Test

>>63962808
I still have no idea why the fuck they decided to not only bring back Cortana despite a big part of 4s ending being her death, but then turn her into a galatic dictator, especially since they almost insta aborted that storyline, I really wonder what sequence of events happened for them to decide on that

>>63935178 (OP)
Its for forced drama + limits of current (time of series + humans in charge of conceptual designs) humans. If armies of future advanced deployed a single drone the size of a car that could wipe out each planets by simply burying itself deep inside earth and then exploding a antimatter nuke at the core, it wouldn't have drama.

The alternative is to have a show that delays that drone from arriving and convince the advance aliens to not do anything. Which is dumb, but some have done similar (3 body problem). Scifi tech can get crazy advanced/scary if a right mind were to deploy the concept into a series.

>>63970626
>Which is dumb
I think you can come up with a lot of reasons for why an alien civilization wouldn't want or be able to just blow up an entire habitable planet without it being dumb or "forced drama". Stupid sci fi autists

>>63944225
>It's objectively worse than quake.
Doesn't matter when it had better marketing and was the Babby's first shooter for 90's kids

>>63970454
Same reason they tried to replace Master Chief with some new guy.

>>63935178 (OP)
>Ever notice how americans cant do art?
fixd for u