Is it possible to take Pyongyang without using atomic weapons'?

It is a simple question, how do you seize the city without resorting to nuking it.

>>63936191 (OP)
Siege it and wait for the already near starved populous to capitulate, or just make an armored push with air support and take it outright.

The norks lost it in the Korean war until China intervened, what makes you think it's hard to take?

Poll your local Reny's for best results.

>>63936206
Are you aware that things have changed in the last 70 years and that they might shoot back at you?

>>63936218
ya, the rest of the world has moved on and North Korea has been a stagnating economic basket case with no real airforce for 50 years

You sound like the same people that said that Israel would never attack Iran because it had Russian air defenses now.

>>63936244
And yet there are division level North Korean troops standing on European soil.

How curious.

>>63936262
A dictator selling his peoples lives to prop up another dictator in exchange for food and other assistance isn't exactly novel occurrence and the incredibly slow pace of change of the Ukrainian front isn't speaking well of their lives being spent wisely.

>>63936278
Every life the DPRK spends in Kursk is a hundred saved.

If it takes one life to buy a greenhouse that feeds 1000 people then was a life well spent. A life for a tractor is a easy trade.

Every one of their lives is calculated, they spend them carefully. Kims tears were real, he knows the price they are paying.

>>63936191 (OP)

Drones and Air force. You pull the same Israel and Ukraine pulled, but on a massive scale.

Best Korea has thousands of artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. You need to position the drones carefully to attack each one all at once as your initial move.

Then you still need to deal with Best Korea's nukes some how.

Use swarms of drones and superior air-force to completely destroy the regular army.

Use the drones to clean the city house by house like you saw the Israelis doing with Sinwar.

Play K-pop loud AF all the way as you do it, just to flex on the norks and terrorize them.

Imagine walking into Pyongyang while you are blasting Gangnam Style. They will beg to surrender.

>>63936191 (OP)
the city is just a front it's what's under it. north korea is an underground nation. I don't know how they deal with quakes but they're down there. only reason why I know this is because i'm a corrupt democrat. the amount of deep state secrets you can find is appalling even as a state level politician. I only got out because shii was getting real. I wasn't staying to get culled by them shiii I already stored enough money through bidens president that i'm set for life.

>>63936191 (OP)
First question is, why would anybody want it?

>>63936387
An* easy trade.

>>63936191 (OP)
>Is it possible to take Pyongyang without using atomic weapons'?
Anything's possible as long as you don't mind letting Seoul get obliterated.

>>63936262
There are division level North Korean troops dying in Europe, certainly
'Standing' is perhaps not the most appropriate choice of words as it implies some level of combat effectiveness beyond "march into enemy fire and die"

>>63936387
Until ya run out of fertilizer. Unless you think tuberculosis laden feces counts.

>>63936440
No, i'm 99.9% sure they would respond with a few thousand artillery shells.

>>63936475
Smartest person in the thread. Why would you want to go there? It's a nightmare, why would you do this?

>>63936483
Sadly yes, it is a easy trade. The North Korean soldiers probably understand that and go to their deaths with that as consolation.

>>63936206
>The norks lost it in the Korean war until China intervened, what makes you think it's hard to take?
The 100% likelihood that China will intervene again? You stupid cunt

>>63936387
You're autistic AND retarded

>>63936530
So mention it in the scenario? You daft twat

>>63936191 (OP)
>Is it possible to take Pyongyang without using atomic weapons'?
Sure. Not even that difficult with enough planning and force.
>how do you seize the city without resorting to nuking
Suppress, breach, capitulate. It is only if you fuck that up the things become costly and difficult.

>>63936530
China tried that. The DPRK killed everyone involved in the plot including Kim's brother. If you piss off Kim you die, they murder you. It's this cultural thing they like doing, exterminating people that offend them.,

>>63936569
PRC shill says s\what

>Invade Pyongyang
>You have to take the Ryugyong Hotel

Fuck that, anyone who goes into that thing is going to die. The Ryugyong Hotel
is one of the greatest death traps in human history.

>>63936530
>100%
China isn't doing a damn thing to save the Kim regime.

>>63936728
China is probably thinking that if the DPRK has 50 atomic weapons that can hit the USA then those same warheads can turn Beijing into a radioactive bowl of glass.

>>63936191 (OP)
>Is it possible to take Pyongyang without using atomic weapons?
You probably could, but why? Levelling the city with a nuke ensures it will be rebuilt according to your specs. Meaning you will leave a permanent mark on their culture. Having the capital rebuilt to the conqueror's tastes is a lasting message to the vanquished.

>>63936815
Funny to say that, that's exactly what Sung did.

The US obliterated it with bombing so Sung built it in every detail from the ground up and down in his image. The subway system is more or less nuke proof as is the entire underground, the city is designed to be able to take multiple atomic blasts.

Sung designed it with the assumption that it would take several atomic hits in a future war, he was that paranoid.

why bother?

>>63936909
I suspect he's going to turn out to be correct, but they won't be American nukes.

>>63936387
Kim as a god in the eyes of the people in the DPRK.
If Kim says to fight and die, they fight and die willingly, knowing they're sacrificing their life for their god.
Real tears?
Crocodile tears.

>>63937042
>why bother?
smartest person itt

>no nukes
Ok, how about antimatter?

>>63940770
Air dropped plague rats

>>63936191 (OP)
>That giant pyramid is a hotel
Damn, does North Korea actually get enough tourism to fill a tenth of that? Or do norks actually get paid enough to go on vacation in the city and stay at a hotel?

>>63941591
It is still unfinished and started construction in 1987.

>>63941617
Wasn't the exterior eventually finished by some Egyptian construction company in... 2018 or something?
Though most of the insides are still empty, IIRC.

>>63941617
That makes sense. It's kind of baffling that they'd have started it in the first place since from what I understand North Korea only allows dozens of tourists in the country at a time. There's gotta be thousands of rooms in that building if it's ever finished.

>>63936262
Most of them are casualties now anon.

>>63936191 (OP)
Offer food. Give free McDonalds gift cards

>>63936206
Siege it? Don't siege Pyongyang, just take it immediately.

>>63936909
So just sneak some nukes into the underground system.

>>63941591
They were considering having a casino pay to finish it in exchange for opedating out of it, which might make even less sense.
https://igamingbusiness.com/casino/north-korea-casino-foreign-investment/
I would have though gambling was illegal in Best Korea, but apparently they already have two casinos.
>>63941661
Believe so. Inside is still bare concrete as far as I can tell. And several of the upper floors are supppsed to rotate for a high class restaurant.

>>63936387
I always knew you were a retarded Nork simp, but this is next level dude. From the bottom of my heart, kill yourself, quickly. I can't even begin to imagine what they must be paying you to type this shit up.

>>63936448
it's going to be a while before people catch on to the underground nation thingy that shit is legit

>>63941723
>There's already a 47-story hotel with a casino in the city
What the fuck did they think they needed a 103-story hotel for? It would have made more sense as a spare palace or something.

>>63936387
Why don't they just invent tractors and then build their own instead of trading lives for ancient cast off slavshit?

>>63936191 (OP)
What do they eat?

>>63941774
>do they eat?
No.

Literally who cares? We should honestly just let it stay they way it is for the rest of time.

>>63941839
I care. Total Commie Death right now. MIRVs on Pyongyang

>>63936191 (OP)
Probably, but why the fuck do you want to take it? It doesn't exactly present a huge threat, nor does it hold great wealth.

>>63941591
The core is solid military grade concrete and the outer layers are just access tunnels, it is a monolithic concrete pyramid. The outer rooms are just one layer of rooms so they can access the outside, otherwise it is nothing but concrete and LED screens.

There are maybe 5 levels that tourists can use besides the lobby which you can park a armored battalion into as well as a few of the rotating restaurants on top.

Since they didn't have access to modern skyscraper building methods they did the Nork thing and brute forced it, it is the largest brick ever made in human history that isn't a dam. That is why it is tilted, it collapsed the bedrock layers under it via sheer weight.

The thing is twice as tall as the Giza pyramid, intentionally or not they created what could be the greatest flak tower in human history. If you planned for it and had your troops entrenched properly it could withstand 2-3 tactical nukes and keep fighting.

>>63941683
12K troops, 2000-3000k wounded and 600-1000 dead. The DPRKs manpower pool of people who have better training than your average mobnik is 6.5-7.5 million. Their losses in Ukraine as a percentage of their available forces are roughly equal to what the US military experiences through accidents, training errors and Natural causes.

>>63941687
>MacDonald's
Go to a Burger king, buy a small coffee. Use your phone to fill out the form on the back of your receipt or if you are really cheap take a receipt out of the trash can or parking lot. Rate the service using the online form. You will get a number code for that Burger king and receipt, rate them well.

Offer the receipt to the cashier, you get a free Whooper, Chicken Sandwich or Impossible burget with the purchase of a side (value fries) and beverage. The shift manager might need reminding that she needs to enter a small coffee as a soda to get the deal.

Ask for a paper crown, you earned it.

1/2

>>63945148
>The thing is twice as tall as the Giza pyramid, intentionally or not they created what could be the greatest flak tower in human history.
flak towers are nearly monolithic blocks of reinforced concrete, with just barely enough interior space for ammo and bare necessities. the Tower has rooms and corridors for people and numerous elevator shafts. You could drop it with a couple Jdams

>>63936530
The units closest to that region are armed with crappy outdated weapons that wouldn't do anything but embarrass the PRC. We're talking about literal horse cavalry and soviet tank clones.

99% of the nork military would surrender because they aren't actual fanatics and are just playing along so they dont get executed.

>>63941771
They are busting their asses building tractors and agricultural equipment at the moment, that is where the Ukraine money is going.

>>63941774
>>63941828
They have all the basic stuff they need, they are working overtime building greenhouses for year round vegetables and aqua farms for scallops, they are undergoing a agricultural revolution. Also they are planting fruit trees and Chestnuts like they were Yankees going into their graves.

>>63945161
>flak towers are nearly monolithic blocks of reinforced concrete, with just barely enough interior space for ammo and bare necessities. the Tower has rooms and corridors for people and numerous elevator shafts. You could drop it with a couple Jdams


No, it is a monolith block. Everything you said about flak towers is how the thing is made. Most of the floors are just facades to hide the fact that it is just a monolithic block of conctete.

>>63945179
The PRC going across the Yalu would be the dumbest thing since invading Vietnam that they could do, the Norks would smash them to bits and exterminated anything flying a Chinese flag in the Yellow Sea.

>>63945184
Keep believing that moron.

2/2

>>63936191 (OP)

North Korea has had a LONG time to dig defenses

>>63945194
it's not looking very sturdy from this angle

>>63945205
It is literally the only thing they have done since Sung founded the DPRK. It turns out that when you spend 114 years arming yourself you get good at it.

>>63945215
That is one of the out buildings and is from almost 20 years ago. Each side of it has a sizable building as a 'welcome center', basically that is the lobby you go through to get to the hotels lobby and there are three of them on each side as well as a rather large staircase leading to them.

Your picture is the pedestrian equivalent of a parking garage.

>>63936191 (OP)
>Is it possible to take Pyongyang without using atomic weapons'?
yes norktard. it was done in the korean war several times and today kim jong fats kingdom is magnitude orders weaker and inferior compared to korea in every possible parameter. Unlike the 1950s where they were peers and both of them nearly got wiped out at one point

>>63936530
Hasn't the Chinese and NK relationship been strained lately? Idk much so I'm asking for real, because all I've know is hearsay.
I know China is obsessed with it's image and NK is like *the* worst country on earth to be in an alliance with if you care about your image at all. And also they were supplying material to the Russians without Chinas consent or something, which might've put China at risk of secondary sanctions or something? Idfk, like I said, asking for real here.

>>63945184
they spend most of their time farming or foraging for food. Most dont even get to shoot their rifle during the entire "service"

brainwashing might be stronk but the smell of a mcburger filling their nostrils is stronger

>>63945252
they have never been good but that is nothing new as china is in fights with most of its neighbors. beijing was fiercely opposed to their nook program as they didnt want kim jong fat to have them pointed at everybody. Them being not able to force it to stop gives you a hint how little influence they have over the rogue satellite

they only tolerate their existence since they dont want korea on their border if it comes together with US military presence

>>63945248
Delusional troll. I should just ignore people who can't talk without John Boltons dick in their mouth but i'm trying to be polite.

>>63945215
See the building at the foot of this? Look at the skylight dome, the picture you posted was from inside it. There are three of them, one on each side.

>>63945252
Well yes, China did try to coup Un and replace him with a puppet when he was first taking power. Those people are all VERY. VERY dead. It didn't work. Also it convinced Un to make nice with Trump and point his nukes at Beijing.

>>63945281
cope you tranny faggot. You think 90 mil iran getting its cheeks blasted by 7 mil israel was embarrassing, just wait what happens when NK crusty mig-15 and mig-19s get plastered by the western airforce of korea. After that its a free for all on anything on ground and under it, including the precious artillery you faggots keep spamming as some kind of deterrent on Seoul

I hope it happens so you can finally kys alongside fat boy in pyongyangs fuhrer bunker

>>63936191 (OP)
It's super easy. Just launch thousands of balloons from the south with non-perishable food items in them and promise them 4 meals a day if they capitulate. The entire regime collapses in 18 hours.

>>63936387
>Kims tears were real, he knows the price they are paying.
He was crying because there was a temporary Steam outage in North Korea and he couldn't get online to play Genshin Impact.

>>63936440
>Then you still need to deal with Best Korea's nukes some how.
North Korea would never have the balls to attack the South with nukes since that would inevitably result in China get part of the nuclear fallout, and the Chinese would fucking ass-rape them for this. Their nukes are specifically to keep the US Naval fleets away from a new war between the North and South.

>>63936387
Why can't they just build greenhouses?

>>63945307
>>63945356
>>63945363
Sure, the DPRK will fall in two more weeks.....Since 1953. I it will be any day now for the last 75+ years. Do you have any idea how embarrassing you sound?

>>63945365
The DPRK has no intention of attacking the south and has not been planning to do so for decades, it is China they have the weapons pointed at and the PRC can't do shit because the DPRK can turn Beijing into a radioactive crater whenever they want.

>2025: 50 cent shills trashing the DPRK out of pure fear.

Go to bed Xi, when it comes to the DPRK vs the PRC /k/ is a Choson board.

>>63945402
They are building greenhouses everywhere. Huge numbers of them, it is Un's current big thing besides scallop farms, tractors and decent housing.

>>63936191 (OP)
Wait until NK throws a military parade and send in a few dozen B-52Hs and B1Bs on a bombing run, hit everything with 500 pound bomb spam.

>>63936387

Up until now I just regarded you as autistic, but I now genuinely believe that you are working for the other side and that you ought to be reported for potential links to North Korea.

>>63945511
>>63945546
Xi, i told you and the 50 cent crew to go to bed. Your trolls are delusional.

>>63945205
I'd assault her trench if you know what I mean.

>>63945591
How many 12 star generals do you think a B1B lancer can take out with one cargo bay's worth of mk 82 bombs?

>>63945610
That's actually better than the cut out tractor the University of Rhode Island uses. Technical and agricultural schools use these all the time, i envy that thing as does anyone who went to a tech school.

>>63945676
Stop trolling, it doesn't work and just makes you look dumb and uninformed.

More to the point, underestimating your opponents, telling your troops that their enemies are helpless and that they are invincible is Russian tier idiocy. Whatever cause you are trying to advance by moronic posts isn't being helped by you, you are actively hurting your own goals.

>>63945610
None of you know what this thing is do you?

>>63945426
What kind of delusion even is this? Is this an actual NK national or something? How did you even get a computer with access to 4chan without getting kwalliso'd?

>>63945700
Tape side A is farming 101, now with color graphics, tape side B is how to fly the Mig-21

>>63945252
North Korea is the Israel of China.

>>63945719
It's a cutout engine for mechanics, while you were being sarcastic you are not wrong. +25 Sonbun, -10 for the sarcasm.

Pardon me, i'll be a few moments as i need to convince a drunk 70 yo old man who just had major surgery to hand over his keys without having to beat him up. This may take a few moments.

>>63945426
No, why do they have to sell troops to buy the materials for greenhouses?
It is tubing, glass, shelves and pipes. How assbackwards are they manufacturing wise?

>>63945847
It is more than that, the troops and other assistance they have given Russia has doubled their GFDP last year. They own Russia for the foreseeable future.

Since my last post I am now the proud owner of a brand new Sig P365 and a 2022 Ford Bronco at least until tomorrow morning. I just put a shitfaced drunk and suicidal 70 yo to bed and padlocked him into his cabin with a gallon of water and a kitchen pot to piss in. Hopefully we are still friends in the morning. Yay me, i was hoping to sleep in.

Gun feels nice though.

>>63945701
Even more embarrassing, it's a failed westerner who simps for a regime who thinks he's a joke. Many such cases!

>>63945148
The retarded norks failing to plan for how heavy their still unfinished concrete vanity project weighs isn't the own that you think it is, retard.