This is a rant thread.

It bothers me to no end that triple stack magazines can not be made. If they were possilble, we could have 50+ round capacity 5.7 pistols and mag-in-grip PDWs. A machine pistol could fire continuously for longer than the current 1.5 seconds or so. They might actually become useful. We could triple stack large case head cartridges that preclude quad-stacking, like 308. Those could use 40+ round mags. It would be sick. But no, it’s just a property of the universe than magazines must stack in powers of two.

You know you have autism when you get annoyed at platonic forms themselves

>>63936368 (OP)
It's not possible. I too would like impossible things, but this isn't possible.

>>63936381
Yeah I know. I lament in my post that it’s not possible.

I'm pretty sure it's actually impossible to make a triple stack, double feed magazine that works properly, but you could make a triple stack, single feed magazine.

>>63936394
A triple stack single feed (3/1) is the same as a triple stack double feed (3/2) zippering down further to single feed (3/2/1). If the 3/2 is impossible, so is 3/2/1. So you’d have to go straight from 3 stacks to 1 feeding position. It MAY be possible, since I can’t prove it’s not, but it’s not gonna be a normal magazine as we know it. It’s gonna have to have some hyper complicated mechanism inside, with ratchets and bias-introducing mechanisms. Probably won’t even be able to load it the normal way. And if the whole point is to keep things slim, then that introduces a severe and likely insurmountable design constraint, so the whole thing is a non-starter anyways - mightaswell use quad-stacks.

why stop at 3 or 4? Why not 10 you know a decem stack

>>63936431
Powers of 2 only, but the practical limit is 4. 8 might work in theory with a follower(s) that looks like the inside of a clock.

>>63936394
>>63936381
>>63936368 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cunKaj7ZxA

OP right now

Does anyone know if those surefire casket mags were reliable?

>>63936466
Nah, I’m just upset about it and need to vent my frustration. I’m not really inquiring why. I know it’s not possible because that’s not the way geometry works. This is the wrong universe to be a firearms enthusiast in.

Why wouldn't it work?

>>63936482
No clue about the 100 rounders. They were discontinued shortly after release because they were comically long and nobody wanted them. The 60s though, IIRC, at first they had some problems but towards the end of the product’s life were as reliable as any other magazine. Surefire recently discontinued them. They also discontinued the OBC. Both items designed by Jim Sullivan that represent a huge upgrade to the AR, and (I’m guessing) the retarded civilian market did not see the value in it and so it wasn’t commercially viable any longer.

>>63936368 (OP)
what in the fuck is that

>>63936498
It’s not clear from the picture if it would or wouldn’t work. Looks like one cartridge from the single stack section meshes with 2 cartridges from the double stack. Does the timing work out just right for the whole stack?

>>63936368 (OP)
why does it have to be a power of two? what if you replace the rightmost double stacks with a single stack, meeting the left double stack at the same point? It would need a separate spring on each side though.

>>63936511
A render of this >>63936482
top one

>>63936513
You could combine the double stack first, then it's two single stacks meshing just like a normal double stack.

>>63936517
i.e. what this anon posted >>63936498

>>63936522
The double stack that zippered down into one would be twice as long as the single stack.

>>63936517
Doesn't even need to be two springs, the divider doesn't have to go all the way from front to back.

>>63936522
You can't, because the double stack follower needs to be the one that goes to the top.

>>63936513
You can clearly tell from the merging layer that it's a clusterfuck. Those 3 rounds are already jammed and won't feed upwards under pressure.

>>63936576
I didn’t want to jump to conclusions like that because the picture is not to scale, the circles are not all the same size, it’s not clear if any 2 rounds occupy the same horizontal plane, etc

Better to just reinvent those linkless feed boxes which H&K experimented with for their machineguns back in the day.

>>63936704
I’m gonna spend the rest of my night researching this feed system. It’s brilliant. Looks like it can be made in any aspect ratio, and looks far more volume-efficient than a drum.

>>63936716
It's fairly simple.
Here's the civi version

>>63936704
If this feed system is so great, why didn't it take off? We are still using linked ammo.

>>63936730
Linkless feed systems are being used in aircraft cannons, like the 20mm M61A Vulcan, and the 30mm GAU-8 Avenger.
I think the simple reason they aren't used in small arms is that their benefits aren't seen as worth pursuing, because linked belts already work excellently for a machinegun.

>>63936368 (OP)
>we could have 50+ round capacity 5.7 pistols and mag-in-grip PDWs
>We could triple stack large case head cartridges that preclude quad-stacking, like 308. Those could use 40+ round mags
This is a good reminder of our tendency to think of technology as improving in a linear and incremental way, ignoring the reality of diminishing returns, and the potential for radical innovation. Very high capacity mags have existed for a century now, but the focus has instead been on sights and other accessories that make guns easier to hit things with. A cheap red dot on a rifle or pistol improves its performance more than any increase in capacity ever could. Smart optics promise to make targets even easier to hit with just one bullet, rather than having to spray fifty. Advances in cartridge design may make higher volume of fire guns the next big thing, but many have already tried this and failed (see the ACR and similar programs)

>>63936772
>Very high capacity mags have existed for a century now, but the focus has instead been on sights and other accessories that make guns easier to hit things with
Probably because 17-18rds is a LOT of shots for a pistol (in a civilian life setting, you're not even gonna need a reload), and +30rds is plentiful for a rifle or subgun, making a great balance of capacity and length/bulk. If you need more than 30 shots in one go, you're probably using a support weapon which feeds from a belt.

That said, I'm not gonna say that people shouldn't experiment and try to come up with new ideas. I think the Calicos are cool as fucking balls, and I encourage capable people to try and invent nice things like these, maybe someone will come up with something really revolutionary, something that lets you fit fucking 50 rounds of 9mm in a handgun not that much larger than a service pistol, and which works with tremendous reliability.

>>63936788
>Probably because 17-18rds is a LOT of shots for a pistol (in a civilian life setting, you're not even gonna need a reload), and +30rds is plentiful for a rifle or subgun, making a great balance of capacity and length/bulk.
If you shoot semi auto. Any auto fire beyond 2-3 rds burst depletes your ammo fast. Hense machine guns are belt feed. But development of automatic weapons is essentially dead since conservatives took the helm.

>>63936482
They were not.

>>63936576
If you're going to take that image as gospel, just mentally reverse the double stack follower or raise the merge by half a round.

>>63936827
Reagan did a lot of damage, but it's not all gone. With a supreme court this strong, things could change for the better in this regard.

>>63936482
just buy a quattro 15 baka

>>63936918
Brandon Herrera did a doomer video recently where he said that our best hope of repealing the NFA has basically failed.

>>63936368 (OP)
never seen a clip like that

>>63937094
The NFA doesnt need to be repealed anyway it need to be challenged and struck down as unconstitutional.
If its repealed dems can just pass it again when they win a cycle, and you know damned well they wont let any rules technicality stop them, they will "deem it to have passed" and then seek to enforce it retroactively.

Here's a quad-stack magazine with one of the stacks removed.
I think you'd need two springs because the left side would deplete faster. Also I can see reloading being a pain.
With airsoft balls I think you can do n-stack, just have them lined up in a circle so the nth stack is touching the 1st stack.

>>63936381
Shield Plus is a 1.5 stack why can't you just double that
One left one right one middle

>>63936772
Is that why the caseless ammunition hype died out?

>>63937094
We finally managed to actually take a peel at it, which means that it can be peeled further.

>>63937256
What's the penalty for not paying a zero dollar tax? Does it compound?

>>63937271
I'm assuming that all the same rules still apply for SBRs and Suppressors (did AOWs and SBSs make it back in?), just that you no longer need to pay any money for registering or transferring them.

That's not a roaring victory or anything, but it's still one of the artificial bars to ownership removed, and we may be able to cut away other parts, like shorties being removed from the NFA entirely, maybe eventually allowing for transferable MGs some day.
The NFA should be destroyed as a whole, but until that can be done, taking parts off of it is still useful.

>>63937283
The creeping advance of lefty faggotry in the past two decades shows salami tactics work. May as well make them work in our favor. FPC/SAF and the others can probably challenge a $0 tax on FOPA grounds.

>>63937290
Right? We may as well be proactive and work on slowly peeling these things at the same time as we try to undo them for good.

>>63937298
It's already been happening. The biggest change to date, IMHO, was when they removed the requirement for a chief law enforcement officer signature on NFA forms. That happened at the same time the trust rules were revised, around 2015. That was a *HUGE* win for the 2A community. In my opinion that was the biggest hurdle to getting an NFA item, since many CLEO's would refuse to sign the paperwork as a matter of principle, and many people simply didn't want to bother with the hassle.

>>63937271
The penalty for not registering is a federal felony with 10 years in prison and 250k fine. Of course you would probably not be caught, but federal prosecutors do have a 95%+ rate of convicting anyone who is.

>>63937094
Yes, it was a big disappointment, but each small step is a small step forward and we can keep chipping away. It's better than nothing.

>>63938149
That was arguably the worst part, yeah.

>>63938163
They've been chipping away at our freedoms, we should chip away at their tyranny.

>>63936368 (OP)
Just invent guns that auger powder straight from a powder can and feed from a magazine of pure 22 bullet which easily reach 22lr capacity. More if you use a paper\plastic belt

>>63938284
Wasn't that almost what Rollin White was fetching at for his infamous revolver patent?

>>63937249
1.5 stack = slightly staggered single stack. It’s not really 1.5 stack, since you can’t actually do that. Not quite single stack, not quite double stack.

>>63938297
Like the CZ97.

>>63936498

how do you guys not know about DT's quad stack lower

>>63938371
We do. This thread is not about quad stacks.

>>63936730
>If this feed system is so great, why didn't it take off
Reletively simple, reletively heavy links are replaced by a reletively complex, equally heavy box. But links go away after you shoot and weight is reduced while such a box will remain.

>>63936873
Yes they were, do you even own one?

>>63938371
>1.9k
>For a widened magwell
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck off.

The trick to having three columns of rounds in the magazine, is to have three feed lips going into three chambers at the top.

>>63936730
Probably because it doesn't survive the mud test.

>>63938284
just invent guns that utilize hydrazine propellant and get rid of your dependence on smokeless powder entirely.

>>63936368 (OP)
Computer operated drum mags that increase capacity and eliminate mag related malfunctions will be the next major advancement in firearms.

>>63936531
I mean the two stacks will move at different rates, so the base has to move separately too. But now I'm not sure about that actually, maybe the spring will just case things to be even.

>>63939539
>computer operated drums

Please Elaborate.

>>63938354
What happens if you reverse the follower?

>>63938572
$320 for a widened magwell + one magazine.

>>63936726
Oh god so it's basically a Mitchell teardrop 10/22 mag with the rubber belt.

>>63936726
>>63939711
For reference:

>>63936368 (OP)
I suggest you look into some patents, though these are only doublestack. I forget which have weird designs and pic may be the only one really out there but you may be able to find crazy designs by the same designer if you search:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4672760A
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4790094A
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4127954A
10/22 magazine patents are WILD.

>>63936788
>maybe someone will come up with something really revolutionary, something that lets you fit fucking 50 rounds of 9mm in a handgun not that much larger than a service pistol, and which works with tremendous reliability.
I have had just such an idea in my back pocket for a long time. Currently saving up my wagie bux to put together a workshop in the woods where I can experiment freely.

>>63936368 (OP)
>triple stack magazines can not be made
Take your image and make one side single stack. Also there are ways you could make a single column triple stack, but it would be harder to load and very careful feed lips.

This seems like a good thread for it.
Are there even any 60 round ar15 mags that aren't pieces of shit?

>>63936730
Belts are simple, cheap and always work. Linkless feed magazines are heavier and need time to reload. Uncertain of the reliability, but belts are a very reliable known tech.

>>63937253
>caseless ammunition hype
Weight reduction is the primary purpose of caseless ammo

>>63937290
>creeping advance
Congress addressing suppressors and SBRs positively also means judges will be more likely to rule favorably for them. It shouldn't matter, but it does matter.

>>63939539
>>63938408
It is more that a box of linked ammo is ready to be fired, while a box of unlinked ammo needs to be loaded into a machinegunner's linkless magazine

The steel marble autists that make marble machines and art have alread solved a lot of feed jamming questions because a lot of them will combine 4+ lines of marbles into something that needs to rapidly pour without jams for thousands of marbles.

>jam-o-matic
Drum mags already exist and they’re already shit.

>>63939517
>piece of shrapnel hits a fuel tank
>wipes out entire squad

>>63938379
>We

you didn't know shit.

This thread makes me want to design a hydraulic magazine

>>63936368 (OP)
I want to see Lewis and DP28 style pan mags make a comeback. They are way more reliable than normal mags, they just get hate because they are massive. That's really the only reason the M27 doesn't use C-mags and shit like that is because you can't lay on them or put them in your vest pockets

>>63940579
>no advantage mentioned except for reliability
Except there are many box mag guns with excellent reliability, hence why nobody on the fucking planet wants to bring back pans. What a dumb post.

>>63941049
NTA. Goes without saying the other obvious advantage is insane capacity.

>>63941058
Yeah, okay, but it's still retarded since the mags are impractically bulky. If it's a mounted gun or something that wouldn't matter but then you can use far superior belt feeding. In fact, you could use belt feed on a normal rifle too, and for all its downsides it'd still be better than pans.

>>63939517
That's pussy shit, real men use dimethylmercury and red fuming nitric acid.

>>63940579
>posted 1hr after video released
youtube.com/watch?v=BXbVUTNTsqA
Hoffman?

>>63939853
Godspeed, anon.

>>63936763
I can only pray that at least a few of these beauties get surplused or at the very least end up in the hands of some big time SOT somewhere once their service is finally done.

>>63939517
>when you're in space, but you also need to shoot a motherfucker in the face

>>63942961
Smokeless gunpowders have oxidizers, thus common firearms would fire in the vacuum of space. There's other things which would cause problems, but the gun would fire.