Thread 63937638

New J-20A, with similar darker stealth coating to the J-35 and has a new EOTS and WS-15 engines

>>63937638 (OP)
>new J20, it's just like the old one but we made it even blacker

Is it true that despite all the military posturing, China can't even build a jet engine??

>>63937716
Yes. They can build them, just not good ones. Not even for the civilian market.

>>63937638 (OP)
I still can't get over the fact of how ugly the J-20 is, especially after an anon here did a edit that just cut out that elongated mid section.

>>63937716
They just can't really build jet engines or radar that's on par with western export tech.

(iirc the DIA and FBI have been feeding them bad information and fake spy Intel for decades, especially on jet engines blade tech. ) GRIM!

>>63937651
They swapped from ferrite spheres to graphene nanotubes coating.

>>63937733
That bluish highlight looks kinda nice. The ugliest part to me are the intakes, they are at an odd angle. Like someone hunching their shoulders as high as they can.

>>63937716
WS-15 has caught up to the current state of the art

>>63937755
it hasn't lol.

>>63937741
Their GaO AESA is clearly ahead of western radar tech.
The DSPs can't be bad either given PL-15E performance in pakistan was excellent.

>>63937780
After the US got caught faking the weights of the F-119 and F-135, the chinese engines already have better TWR

>>63937819
>a-after *my chinkshill fantasy*
nobody cares, chinkshill, you're the only person on the board who uses this metodichka, and you're so schizophrenic and obsessed with this board that any opinion you have is automatically rendered null.
so basically, they haven't caught up and the chinese engines have significantly worse TWR.
>m-mutt
not american, and also chinks are one of the most mutted races on earth.

>>63937869
F-119 and F-135 were marketed to have a TWR of 9 and 11 respectively.

>it's the same butthurt chink spamming the same jpg
Grim

>>63937869
Not only have the chinese caught up to F119 and F135 with the WS-15, they also have an advanced ACE prototype which is close to LRIP and I would bet money it will fly before the US ones.

>>63937898
>>63937919
i really don't care what you have to say, chinkshill, no doubt it's another metodichka and no doubt, just like every thirdie that has crackhead levels of seething anger towards the west, that metodichka is total horseshit once you take a closer look.

you seemingly don't understand that you've disqualified yourself from conversation by being such a recognizable schizo, you don't get to spout the exact same talking points over and over again without people just laughing in your face and telling you to fuck off eventually.
go post more images where xi is edited to look like a westerner, you freak.

>>63937803
>PL-15E performance in pakistan was excellent
Except we can't fucking know that

>>63937931
Show F-47 or FA-XX

>>63937945
Thank you for ousting yourself pajeet

>>63937931
I have to admit, I kind of enjoy these desperate little cope spergouts of you burgers.
It is quite amusing to remind yourself that your empire is crumbling because it is being dismantled from the inside for no practical reason, pure failure of ideology.
So you must forgive me for not stopping to post accurate facts about weapon systems.
After all, this is /k/ and not /kope/. At least not yet ...

t. ching chang ding vely long, 3rd brigade 1st division internet shill forces of your excellency xi jinping

>>63937960
>>63937964
>s-show
again, no need
>b-but in my fanfic the J-36 is a 6th ge-
it isn't, and it's not analog to the F-47, which is an actual 6th gen prototype.
seriously, chinkshill, take your medication, this much seething on a daily basis is not healthy for you.
>p-pajeet
nta, but that has also been part of your metodichka, anyone who points out that there's no proof of PL-15's hitting anything in that little squabble is instantly called a pajeet, by you, a literal known shill. because that's easier than forming an actual argument, you're a chinkshill, you're aware that most people hate india (who doesn't) and that both sides of that conflict are blatant liars, so it's easier to sidestep the issue and attempt to get an easy shilling victory.

>>63937986
>i-i h-have to admit
you admit, by being here, on this board, literally every single day, for hours, that you have an unhealthy obsession with this board, and that this board makes you seethe constantly. that is what you admit by being here.

>>63937964
What are you even trying you fucking retard?

>>63938003
he's a delirious and unmedicated thirdie, we have a few lolcows like this nowadays, the weapons board that knows all about weapons not caving to russian and chinese handbook propaganda really mindbroke third worlder shills and mindbroken demoralized 5th columnists alike.

>>63938023
>F-22
>J-20
weird comparison, the F-22 is an actual stealth aircraft whereas the J-20 is just a low observable one.
also
>a bunch of prototype aircraft we don't actually know the specs of
lol, vely implessive.

>>63937960
Show chinese 6th gen program

lol daily chinkshill thread

>>63938001
Whatever makes you sleep at night.
Soon the US will admit that they can't do jack in the pacific and pull out, going full isolationism, to avoid being vaporized by chinese hypersonics.
I'll remind you of this then.

>>63937638 (OP)
>new EOTS and WS-15 engines
May I see these.new EOTS, and the WS-15s? No, a different nozzle doesn't indicate a different engine. We've been over this countless times, as you already know.
>>63937819
That's shipping.weight, which includes the shipping cradle. You know this, though. The WS-15 is still shit, still can't run at high temps without turbine blade creep causing rubbing and major bleed by leading to 18% trust decrease, and damage to the turbine walls which then need maintenance. Stop your retarded bullshit and go back to the shithole forum you slithered from, sinodefense.

>>63937898
Yeah, when you don't disingenuous add in the shipping cradle weight like you're trying to do, and have been trying for the last year.

>>63937919
They can't even mass produce the WS-15, and there's no proof they even have enough to outfit 2 J20s with them. They do not, and will not have an ACE engine until 2060, and might finally start mass producing the WS-15 by 2035. MAYBE.

>>63937960
if only this had a spinning maneuver. it would be the final gen fighter.

>>63937960
Show an actual 6th gen. If you're us8ng 3rd gen avionics, sensors, algorithms, and engines, you can't call your plane 6th gen.

>>63938086
They have 2 6th gen programs and they both have flown already u like the F-47

>>63938150
Show the F-47 first since there are plenty of photos and videos of both the J-36 and J-50

>>63938152
>>63938143
>>63938150
Proof they're 6th gen?

The USAF has said the F-47 has flown.
The PLAAF never said they have a sixth generation aircraft, they've only shown two tailess aircraft flying around without any other info. Only online shills rush to make a claim.

>>63938155
That still doesn't mean they're 6th gen. As I've pointed out what makes a 6th gen, and it not, "because it's tailless,bro". Tell, and show me, exactly, how and why those. are 6th gen.

>>63938014
>the weapons board that knows all about weapons

There's pretty much nobody on /k/ who knows anything about guns.
No cleetus owning a gun and shooting it at cans in your backyard doesn't mean you know anything about weapons.
/k/ basically propagates propaganda on discovery channel level and contradicts what even the US DoD and hundreds of pilots in interviews on youtube will admit.

>>63938156
>>63938160
Proof the F-47 even exists?

>>63938156
Ummm because the PLAAF said so gweilo?

>>63938125
>random technobabble
are you scotty?

>>63938152
>They have 2 6th gen programs
Uhh they have 5 6th gen programs.

>>63938162
THE PARTY SAID ITS SIXTH GEN
THEREFORE, ITS SIXTH GEN
END OF DISCUSSION

>>63938172
Can you only deflect? This is a thread about CHINA STRONK! I'm asking you to actually PROVE IT. Deflecting to WHAT ABOUTU AMERICAU isn't going.to work, nor make Chiner look strong. You're quite shit at this.

>>63938172
Is it necessary for anything besides jacking off online over dubious claims? I'm excited to see it eventually too. For now, the F-22 and F-35 are both very real and capable.

I'm honestly surprised China hasn't claimed to have a seventh-gen fighter

>>63938177
>random technobabble
Oh, so you're actually retarded and know nothing about metallurgy, turbine blade technology, coatings, or what creep is? lol lmao even. Why do they send the most mouth breathing low IQ mongrels here to shill?

>>63937803
>Their GaO AESA
May I see it? GaO is 2000s tech. Maybe next century chiner will move on to aluminum nitride (AlN) and thin film diamond like the US did.

>>63937753
What kills it for me is just how fucking elongated the thing is. I get why it's like that, with the weapons bay and all, but my god does it ruin the aesthetics of otherwise a pretty unique jet.

>>63938111
lol you retarded gorilla there’s no way you believe that
how are you this desperate for (you)s?

>>63938192
>so you're actually retarded and know nothing about metallurgy

China is using ceramic blades ...

>>63938224
>May I see it?

It's classified.

>GaO is 2000s

US has no GaO, not even GaN 2nd gen, still on 1st gen GaN.
Huge power density gap.

>>63938249
There is nothing to believe, just look at what the DoD is doing. Everything points to that re-alignment of strategy.

No big hypersonics procurement program
F/A-XX cancelled
E-7 cancelled
F-47 way too small for pacific

>>63938003
>What are you even trying you fucking retard?

>>63938298
>It's classified.
Oh sure, sure.
>US has no GaO
The US invented GaO, just like the US invented GaS, GaN, SiGe thin film diamond, and AIN.
>not even GaN 2nd gen
May I see Chiner's 2nd gen GaN AESA, hell can I see their 1st gen GaN AESA?
>Huge power density gap.
What's the peak and RMS rating of Chiner's Gan AESA? An not the Israeli copy they had to beg for from Israel. They couldn't even make their own. KEK.

>>63938111
>whatever makes you sleep at night
not being a neurotic, mentally ill person that obsesses over and is mindbroken by western superiority?
i'm not surprised you have trouble sleeping.

>>63938152
>6th gen
not 6th gens
>both flown already
doesn't matter, since they're not comparable to an actual 6th gen.
>u like
esl moment
also, the F-47 has already flown, it's almost like real countries don't panic when they know the enemy has a real 6th gen in the works and then starts shilling two 5th gen aircraft in the hopes that people eat it up.
>>63938170
>c-cleetus
forced meme, only used by chinkshill
opinion discarded, into the trash it goes.

>>63938380
>illustrated: chinkshill attempts to shill for china

>>63938362
dumb

>>63938532
>illustrated: chinkshill gets even angrier and continues to impotently shill for china
how's it feel knowing that only you get this mad when other people bully you?

>>63938532
Post DNA, you sub-human mutant mega mutt.

>>63938581
he thinks that if he doesn't use words, people won't notice that he's crying, and that if he just tries his hardest to elicit emotions from the other side, he'll finally stop being a loser who shills for china on an imageboard.
doing it against him instead is really easy he's very insecure and has thin skin.
you'll also notice that he posted a video of a chink athlete beating someone because he's very insecure about the fact that he's tiny compared to white people and would get ragdolled in a fight.

>>63938532
> but what about India
I thought you was talking about US

>>63938125
>That's shipping.weight, which includes the shipping cradle
And that's why that pic doesn't highlights the gross weight... the engine itself (Engine Weight) and the cradle (Device Weight) are differentiated...