Who is a better soldier? A US Marine or an Afghani shepherd?

>>63940557 (OP)
Better question, Afghani Marine vs US Shepherd

>>63940566
Close call.

>>63940557 (OP)
Since Marines are not soldiers the answer seems obvious.

>>63940557 (OP)
>w-who i-is better
>t-the r-ragheads w-who sat behind the border in another country for 20 years, completely impotent to do anything
>o-or the people that occupied for 20 years, only leaving for political reasons!
>HAH, THIS PHOTO SHOWS SOME TRUCKS THAT THE US VASSAL LEFT BEHIND *hint hint nudge nudge implication implication*
not even american but this cope is hilarious, thirdies will literally use every logical loophole to insist that they're on par with western soldiers.

>>63940557 (OP)
If only there were some conclusive numerical data we could point to that would give us some insight into this.

>>63940570
If you think the US soldiers are better, why did they lose the war and rout, leaving billions in behind in equipment, as well as all their local allies?

>>63940557 (OP)
The side who won the war, obviously.

>>63940590
>>63940593
Brainlet logic.
>A won over B therefore everything A has is better than everything B has in every respect
The reasons the afghanistan campaign failed are complicated, but the quality of the foot soldier are not one of it.

>>63940584
>>63940589
US MILITARY TRACK RECORD
>lose to Korean peasants
>lose to Vietnamese peasants
>fuck up the invasion of Cuba
>twin towers blown up, humiliation on the world stage
>lose in Iraq
>lose to Somali apes
>lose to Afghan peasants

Why does the US keep LOSING ITS WARS?

>>63940615
Any americans seeing the injustice should shut their mouth next time they feel tempted to claim that wehrmacht soldiers were poor because they lost against russia.

>>63940618
Poorly defined/sisyphean/impossible victory conditions

>>63940618
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongo_Tongo_ambush
forgot this

>>63940557 (OP)
Is that an AGS-30 on the second humvee?

>>63940615
So you're admitting that america lost?

>>63940618
Unrealistic goals.
>Let's fight the entire might of china without fully mobilizing ourselves (still fought to a draw so not so bad)
>Let's antagonize a foreign country, stick around to fight the malcontents, without ever making the the political changes that will not cause even more malcontents, or genocide the lot for that matter
Latter one applies to several examples here. Americans are arrogant (american exceptionalism) and can't see how anyone wouldn't want to take part in american consumerism and be part of the american dominated world. The vietnamese saw them as more colonizers, the muslims see them as infidels, and instead of accepting that and working with the hand they were dealt, americans thought they could bring them around if they only killed enough of their countrymen for long enough. No shit it doesn't work, and no amount of military ressources and prowess would ever make it work.

>>63940618
>Korea
You retarded wumaos always expose yourselves with this. I hope you have another decisive Tang victory soon.

>>63940618
and the mask of
>implying implying look at this image haha
>j-just asking questions
slips off into fullblown thirdie rage and delusion.
they're so predictable

>>63940658
Very obviously a Mk. 19

>>63940661
Yeah, I happen to not be american so I can freely admit it. I'm
>>63940662
The funniest thing is, they will often not even admit they lost.
>B-but we killed more brown people than we lost whites
Yeah, brown people are a renewable ressource, you didn't achieve jack shit.

brown thread

>>63940590
>w-why did they lose the war and rout
they didn't, their enemies sat in a politically neutral country for 20 years, got absolutely fucked on whenever they sent forces back into afghanistan, and then crawled back after the US had already left for political reasons.
but you already know all of this, because you're a nigger in an error loop and you've had this thoroughly explained to you for multiple years, yet you still use this shill line as some sort of self-soothing mantra, almost like a baby sucking it's thumb.
>>63940618
same for all of these, all of these handbook talking points have been destroyed many times over but thirdies think that repeating things has magical properties or some shit, probably why they remain poor.

Americans make hundreds of threads seething about europe, but when someone makes a thread about a war mutts lost, they go apeshit and ask the jannies to delete It.

>>63940557 (OP)
I know which one is a better shepard

>>63940557 (OP)
what blew up now?

>>63940692
>americans make hundreds of threads seething about europe
fucking when? and across what timescale? i'm a euro and this doesn't really seem to be happening at all, we both dunk on eachother at equal rates, which makes me think you're not european.
>mutts
that's my line, only we are allowed to call them that.

>>63940618
Not a single one of those was a war and Korea was a complete success.

Humm Veez on *MARS*
and at the end of the day, this is all that matters, thougheverbeit.

>>63940692

>>63940618
We won Korea 100%. We didn't achieve complete humiliation of China and international communism but we absolutely btfo China in sk.

Vietnam a loss? Absolutely. Not being able to attack conventional military units past some arbitrary map line over fears of another Korea situation were unacceptable. The us should've committed or fucked off like France did it better yet backee France when they asked.

>Iraq
Absolutely won. Saddam and his cronies got btfo twice. Once by hiding like bitches then getting highway of deathed again, when they became isis. Plus we literally bombed Iranians in a downtown international airport to send a message that the country wouldn't be Iranian owned and it honestly isn't despite what you've heard.

>Somalia
LMAO they've got btfo Everytime they've fought us. A non country that can't even maintain it's own territorial integrity.

>Afghanistan
Yeah we lost there. Similar situation to Vietnam where we weren't willing to fight the enemy in Pakistan. Realistically no one stateside wanted us to be there anyway it was a shitshow we just wanted obl dead. No president wanted to be the one to "lose" the war by pulling out and I give big props to Biden on that one for pulling the plug. Trump was too pussy to do that btw despite trying to art of the deal a surrender.

Guys the Tomahawk HMMWV project got canned for "mobility concerns."
Aka it's top-heavy, go figure.

Pic unrelated. Something more practical I also wish would get adopted.

Btw the Iraqi SWAT has some sweet Humvee footage. Also a slick Iraqi-made action movie, even.

>>63940618
>lose in Iraq
Mine Anon….Saddam is dead. Ba’athist Iraq is dead. ISIS in Iraq is critically endangered. The fuck you mean the Yank’s lost?

>>63940733
Americans keep that posting that meme, yet I see it happen in reverse much more oftne.

>>63940733

>>63940719
Even earlier today there was a thread seething about bongs, americans hate europe and love russia

>>63940618
>Korea
Pushed them out of the south, killed Maos son, and made SK a vastly more powerful nation than NK. Chink shill cope.
>Vietnam
Let them bomb the north it ends quickly
>Somalia
Literally what did we have to gain by staying? They have nothing. It was supposed to be a peacekeeping mission with some death warrants on warlords. Clinton cut bait on shit that wasn’t our problem.
>Afghanistan
Hid behind the Paki border and got slaughtered every spring. I was there and helped do the slaughtering. The sound of out of breath, groaning, dying Taliban coping to their fake prophet as they bled out still echos through the ringing of my tinnitus as a pleasant memory like the feeling on my lips when I remember my first kiss or the drip in the back of my throat when I think of the first time I did cocaine.
>Iraq
Last I checked Hussein is dead, the government we installed is still standing, ISIS are effectively extinct, and you’re still a faggot

>>63940900
nooo anon, you don't understand, because of technicalities, lots of handwringing and >implying and a bit of mental gymnastics you actually totally got rekt by those goatherders and the US would lose helplessly to them if they attacked fucking guam for instance.
because we lost the war, after all, right?

>>63940681
USA is 50% white

>>63940692
I love mocking claps but at least mock them over real things instead of pretending 100 ISIS would beat 100 Marines in a stand up fight without air support or ambushes.

>>63940618
Because in reality the US has so many resources and people at its disposal it's more than willing to fuck around in foreign countries for fun when our own internal politics can't even agree on why we're in sed country

>>63940984
Your country is 0%.

>>63941003
>Your country is 0%.

>>63941002
>so many resources
>$40 TRILLION in debt
Sooooo many resources kek

God I love being american. Look as the brown people who speak 9 dead languages are driven into tears at my existence. Their countries are so embarrassing that their nationality is essentially opsec for the sake of maintaining any argument without being laughed out of the room.