Thoughts about Russia's new "Bike Rider" MOS?: https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1941620825876201960?

Seems to be the one innovation that works, kinda. Expensive in manpower though. Because the lines are quite thinly held, there's gaps. When the bikers hit a gap it means they can rapidly exploit it. When they don't it means they all die in spectacularly meaningless fashion. They don't hit many gaps.

I like it. It's kind of like the dragoon.

>>63946754 (OP)
a scout unit with capacity for light resupply.
not the worst idea. might even be able to outrun a drone or two.
might.

>>63946754 (OP)
How I wish that someone would suggest monke to weld TOW launchers onto these
That would be so retarded yet so fucking hilarious (aka peak puccian smekalochka)

>>63946754 (OP)
Welcome back calvary and dragoons

>>63946827
Not that insane of an idea, the dune coons were attaching DShKs to bikes as basically mobile MG nests. A HMG, jammer, or ATGM that can move quick and be reltively sneaky could be an absolute menace even if the driver has a life expectancy of a mayfly

>>63946754 (OP)
I suppose if there was a time to use these, it would be now. The grounds are going to turn wet, and untraversable with these things when summer ends.

>>63946840
But then they'll freeze and harden again. I hope the riders have good gloves.

>>63946837
Glass cannon build

>>63946754 (OP)
I wonder if Elon could make a bike with FSR, so It could follow a trajectory while the rider could use both hands to operate a rifle

ngl, that looks fun as heck to train as but most likely not so fun when the drones are zipping toward you.

You'll want some kind of defense, but then it would get too heavy for the motorcycle, so the quad seems best, but then you'd have to layer on armor and woops I re-invented tanks again.

>>63946862
I'd much rather be on a bike than on my own two feet (100% dead), or in a tank (95% dead).
At least on a bike I have a chance of outrunning the drones, which peak at about 100km/h.

>>63946870
>hasn't seen the videos of FPVs easily outrunning bikes
turns out offroading is slower than flying
you're a fucking moron

>>63946965
> T-they're all like that!!!
You're dead in a tank, and you're dead on foot. In a bike you at least have a chance.

>>63946974
>reddit stutter
please just go ahead and apply to the glorious russian motocross dragoon squad, so I can see you splattered with no recourse in one of the upcoming FPV compilations

>>63946842
Gloves are off.

>>63946870
>At least on a bike I have a chance of outrunning the drones, which peak at about 100km/h.
Kek, try going 100km/h on a field my guy.

>>63946754 (OP)

I think it's pathetic fucking cope from a corpse of a nation puppeted by mobsters.

For the retarded war they’re fighting right now it seems cool. For any well trained and supplied military (US and maybe China) it’s retarded because you’d be constantly bombing command and control locations with precision munitions and taking out industrial centers with bombing and encircling troops with large mechanized offensives supported by CAS and overwhelming fire superiority from your helicopters and the mechanized units themselves and you’d quickly find yourselves in an occupation where then you’d be playing COIN whackamole for two decades while all your arty troops kick rocks because your military is too T E M P O to let them even play a role in the war that probably took legitimately two weeks to finish.

>>63947600
> incomprehensible wall of text
>>63947598
"Russia does it therefore it automatically sucks" is a very weak argument. I think it's a cool and good idea.
>>63947588
They frequently use, and are hit on, roads.

>>63946754 (OP)
Already obsolete

>>63946870
>At least on a bike I have a chance of outrunning the drones
lol
lmao even

>>63946754 (OP)
looks fun until you get gibbed or shot

>>63946754 (OP)
they're getting there

>>63948794
You think your odds are better on foot? Or in a tank or APC?
Besides, on a road you absolutely can outrun a drone.

>>63946754 (OP)
I guess they did run out of armor huh

>>63948830
Anyone have that clip of a mobik dodging an FPV for like 5-10 minutes by jogging in a tight circle?

>>63946754 (OP)
>new

>>63948830
Anon, the roads are littered with wrecks and craters. You aren't going more than half of what the bikes are fully capable of even at the best of times

Original motorcycles had throttles on the left hand to shoot guns with the right hand. Do you think China will make a more dedicated dual sport with this feature again?

>>63949000
+

>>63946862
The best you can get onto these is probably an armored glass windshield, something that can tank small arms fire and, more importantly, grenade frags, so you wouldn't be swiss-cheesed by anything that isn't landing directly on your head.

>>63949000
>>63949007
>MY BIKE IS LOADED

>>63948917
as with literally every single thirdie military """invention"""" ever made, America has already done it and decided it wasn't worth the effort
(see: 9th Infantry Division, Motorized)

>>63949039
And as with every single American military """invention"""" they learned it from Europeans.
The reason it wasn't worth the effort is because it's not a good idea when all you're doing is being extremely risk-averse in not real wars where you have overwhelming superiority. It's a great idea if you're actually doing some fighting.

>>63949081
it's not a great idea, it's what you have left when all your armored carriers are either dead or almost extinct.
and it further exacerbates russia's ridiculous loss ratio against ukraine, fueling their slow loss of the attritional war.
russia pretends that every further degradation of their army is a "choice" that they make lol.

>>63949096
>it's what you have left when all your armored carriers are either dead or almost extinct
Or you need to move small numbers rapidly over ground that won't support those. It's what you do when you're fighting a conventional war rather than a "counter-insurgency".

>>63949172
>it's what you do when *cope cope cope cope*
no, it's what you do when you run out of things that can actually somewhat help your troops survive
now instead they're no faster than before and they're out in the open where they just instadie if a drone finds them.

>>63949186
> he still thinks that APCs help troops survive.
Anon, would you rather climb into one of those deathtraps, or take your chances on a motorbike?
BTW the motorbike is really much faster than most drones, and can maintain its speed for a longer period of time.

>>63949186
>drones are the only thing that you need to worry about
fucking lmao

>>63946870
>100kmh
Your only chance is hoping the operator has a skill issue in dense woods or out-speeding it on an open road (somewhat unlikely since they will see you before you see them).

I would NOT want to be in that position and I am an experienced enduro rider

>>63947600
Not reading all of that, you type like a crackhead

>>63949195
indeed, they're also completely unprotected against any kind of shrapnel now which is going to massively increase deaths.

I’m guessing the strategy here is to spread out your units as to mitigate losses from drone strikes and such.

10 guys on dirt bikes get drone striked, you have 9 guys.
10 guys in an APC get drone striked, you have 0 guys.

>>63946754 (OP)
That seems based as fuck. I like it. They’re like modern steppe horse archers.

>>63949190
>he still thinks
that's just true, that's what they do.
russia didn't reinvent the wheel (lol) just because they were incompetent and forced into using meatwaves.
>btw the motorbike is really much faster than most drones
it is not, in fact it is much slower than an APC unless it's taking the exact same routes an APC does.

>>63947598
We get it. Russia bad. Thank you for the bold take. I’m sure there will be many here who will give you updoots.

>>63949262
nah, often at least some or all of them survive if they're in the APC.
if they're on a bike with the wind in their hair, they're just dead.

>>63949281
Now or later, what does it matter?
More meat for the meatwaves.

>>63949262
Precisely. The ultra-risk-averse MRAP jumped up policing faggotry has seeped in deep, I'm not sure the US is even capable of fighting a war that involves losses now.

>>63949281
> nah, often at least some or all of them survive if they're in the APC.
Oh come on. We've all seen the videos. We've also seen drones striking people as soon as they leave their disabled and flaming APCs.
Would (you) rather take your chances as a passenger in an APC, or would you take the motorbike?
I think it would be literally retarded, and also very NPC-coded, to take the APC.

>>63949281
>often at least some or all of them survive if they're in the APC
They survive with a fucked vehicle. They're all incapable of doing anything constructive.

>>63949281
>nah, often at least some or all of them survive if they're in the APC.
At which point they're on foot far away from their own lines, probably concussed if not seriously injured, probably have no good cover available and will continue to eat follow-up FPVs or dropped grenades.

>>63949489
Well here's the problem, he's assuming that when an APC gets hit there's air cover and an evac heli inbound immediately and all they have to do is get some cover and start eating MREs and filling out the PTSD claims.
Because he's not thinking about war, he's thinking about trying to impose buttsex and McDonalds on some sandpit.

>>63946754 (OP)
>let me take cover behind my unarmored bike, with my face right beside the unarmored fuel-tank

>>63949645
Where exactly do you think the bike should be?

>>63946754 (OP)
Cope for not having MRAPs. A JLTV is nearly as fast under battlefield conditions due to much greater chassis stability and carries a far more useful amount of supplies, in addition to having room for jamming and UAS hardkill systems. And I say this considering the JLTV insufficient for contemporary threats, they need to be built like Baja trucks - 50-100% more suspension travel (16" -> 24-32") and engine power, possibly via redundant engines driving each axle. Because the russians aren't wrong here - speed is life now that computerized guidance for even infantry-scale targets is the norm.

>>63949652
Bring him back

>>63949262
That's the idea, but miniaturized digital sensors have made it easier to detect and destroy 10 distributed helpless targets than one which has the tools to fight back or evade (and nothing surface-bound can outmaneuver or outrun a flyer). But bringing a comprehensive set costs volume and mass, the same reason 30-ton tanks, light jet fighters and 2500-ton destroyers are extinct.

>>63946754 (OP)
Supply bikers are a genuinely useful innovation on a battlefield where supply lines are under constant pressure from FPV drones because losing one means losing only a relatively small amount of supplies compared to losing a whole truck, several logistics troops and all the shit it was carrying all at once. Additionally, dispersing the supplies across multiple vehicles means that even if your run is targeted at least some of the bikes might still get through
Assault bikes are a fucking stupid idea

>>63949000
Checked, also there is unused space on that bike that could be used for additional food, water or medical supplies

>>63946754 (OP)
Shit's cool, even if stupid.

>>63949244
Agreed, I nearly killed myself going "only" 40kmh on a snowy trail on an ATV. Trying to outrun drones on a dirtbike cross-country is a race with Death - the rare driver skilled enough to win is also inherently great enough to outrun the conscription office and race for money in some other country!

Should we call it the Moscow Express?

>>63950085
Even logistic bikes are of dubious value, they can't deliver supplies fast enough to support offensive operations, only harassment, nuisance raids and guerilla strikes. It barely worked for the Taliban even when they had 25 million other afghans riding the same bikes to blend in with. 800 rounds of .30 cal, 4 6" artillery shells, a dozen RPGs (pictured) - whatever you load, the entire contents can be fired in ~30 seconds of active, intensive combat.

>>63949279
We get it. Russia good. Thank you for the bold take. I’m sure there will be many here who will give you retweets snd (You)'s.

>>63950085
Except now your logistics requires exponentially more manpower and vehicles to sustain. It's not a "good" idea. It's a desperate one. The fact that the only apparent alternative is to lie down and accept death, does not make this a remarkable or effective innovation. No more than cutting off your leg and eating it to avoid starvation is a remarkable innovation in dietary efficiency.

>>63950279
/thread

>>63949619
Yeah, all you have to do is ask yourself the question: Would you rather get into an APC in Ukraine, or would you rather be riding a motorbike in Ukraine?
As APCs are literally suicide in that environment, on both sides, as has been shown 1000 times, I'd take my chances with the bike.

>>63950279
>It's not a "good" idea. It's a desperate one. The fact that the only apparent alternative is to lie down and accept death, does not make this a remarkable or effective innovation.
Perfect. I'm going to paste this in every smekalka and Puccia stronk thread.

>>63946754 (OP)
My initial impression was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA", but after thinking about it, and taking Russia's situation and tactics (lol) into consideration, it's not as retarded as it initially seemed. Russia had an absurdly massive stockpile of armor and weapons. I mean seriously, it's hard to comprehend how much stuff they had. They have somehow managed to throw a majority of that away taking like 20% of a country a third their population size (LOL). Obviously their tactics aren't working, and they're running out of armor to brute force their way through the battlefield. So right now they have
>A heavily dwindling supply of tanks and shit
>A lot more warm bodies than Ukraine has
>A complete disregard (or possibly even disdain) for mobik lives
>The third world need to look cool and totally badass to the West
So in Russia's situation, combat motorcycles don't seem like too bad of an idea.

>Will this change the outcome of the war?
I doubt it
>Will first world militaries adopt this idea?
No lmfao
>Would 12-year old me think this is a totally badass and genius military innovation by Russia?
Yes

>>63951164
>A heavily dwindling supply of tanks and shit
To add to that they put aside some new production stuff like T-90M in reserve for future fuckery potentially in the baltics. So vehicles that could replenish losses are held back.

>>63947590
This is exactly what came to mind. At least it seems something that works as light supply/scout. They should put some tiktok chechen on it for the full GLA experience, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2uZlYkHfHk&list=RDA2uZlYkHfHk

>>63949022
>...AND SO AM I!

>>63946760
Thank you for your expert commentary.

>>63951186
The Russians typically work in very small squads, often as small as three men each. Putting them on motocross bikes just makes them very mobile and very fast small squads.
It's tactically clever at a low cost.
The terminally in-the-box thinkers don't realize this, because they reflexively defer to authority, and then there are the others who automatically assume that everything Russia does is retarded. That's why the war is not going well for them.

>>63946754 (OP)
Where APC and IFV go

>>63949998
We have Kettenkrad at home!
<-
>Kettenkrad at home

>>63952917
Literally everything on the battlefield, on both sides, is designed to kill them. You must adapt.
Would (you) step into an APC in Ukraine?

>>63952947
*Kretinkrad

>>63952862
>The terminally in-the-box thinkers don't realize this, because they reflexively defer to authority
Too obvious

>>63952973
>Would (you) step into an APC in Ukraine?
Yeah obviously which is why every good unit on both sides uses those. Kursk offensive where the top UA vs RU units fought had few bikers because they had enough APCs.

APC hits usually result between 0 to 1 casualties inside depending on what exactly is hit, and actually protect you from artillery hits and small arms fire.

>>63946760
>When the bikers hit a gap it means they can rapidly exploit it
With what, exactly?

Why aren't they using their own Urals or just any side carts? It allows for people with zero skills to ride off-road, you can carry 10x more weight, and even retards have a hard time flipping over unless you go full retarded. And if you could go so retarded, you'd have fallen off your two-wheeler anyway.

>>63953469
Imagine believing this.

It looks fun, but I gotta wonder. There's no fucking way anyone who already knows how to ride a bike would willingly sign up for that shit. Just imagine going down on a gravel road wearing your bdus and chink bump helmet, wearing your gear/rifle as you get chased by an fpv drone. No fucking thanks.
I think I saw vid of some retard whiskey throttling into a wall during "training".

>>63953533
The bikes, duh

>>63953597
I can't find the picture of the bathtub sidecar, just have this for now.

>>63949000
this is so gay and based

>>63949000
Why aren't they delivering with drones?

>>63946850
>I wonder if Elon could make a bike with FSR
I'm sure they already have suspension

>>63946870
>which peak at about 100km/h.
Well over that actually and when the bikes try to go fast on those roads, the videos get uploaded to telegram.

>>63949039
Gee Billy, why do you get two MGs?

>>63953533
>With what, exactly?
The bikes are seen not to die by the observation drones, so buhankas with mobiks follow after and now they have a new position and they get 1km closer to the snail.

>>63953609
>imagine being delusional enough to deny this
more like
>no i'm totally safer on a bike where a single piece of shrapnel from any number of things will kill or gravely injure me

>>63953597
>>63953680

>>63953609
It's certainly true for bradleys. It's less true for russian apcs but I have seen people climb out of those after taking a hit, just few and far between

>>63946870
At least western tank crews have a high survivability. The russian junk far fewer, but they tend to bail as soon as the tank is mission killed (fair)

>>63946754 (OP)
kino
hope we get to see them in action this summer

>>63946760
>When the bikers hit a gap it means they can rapidly exploit it.
And then die to a man because the follow-on forces got shredded trying to go to and through the supposed gap.

>>63946974
>You're dead if you're a zigger, and may or may not live if you're a Ukrainian.
FTFY.

>>63950158
I think the main point of bikes is that they are small enough to maneuver in spaces that drones don't like. Tree line and what not. That being said, while I love motorcycles the western equivalent will likely just be a small buggy so the drivers need less training. Putting these guys out on bikes is suicide for a lot of them, and funnily enough the US is probs one of the only nations with a big enough riding base for us to field any regular numbers. Its going to be neat to see what SEA does with their units. They have environments perfect for moto infantry, especially on small sub 209CC bikes

Herr General said a year ago that the Russian switch to bikes and civilian vehicles was a rational response to drone warfare and not a sign of an armour shortage.
I didn't really believe him but obviously he's the expert and I don't think he'd be lying.

>>63957089
>not a sign of an armour shortage.
where did he say that?

>>63957089
It's perfectly rational, but it's almost impossible to discuss such things here because of low-quality posts like:
>>63956262

>>63949039
>America has already done it and decided it wasn't worth the effort
this one was actually used by SOF during the gulf war, it might useless for standard infantry but not for recon or other specialized units

>>63946827
Maybe not TOW, Ataka, Kornet or any of those other semi-active or manually guided ones since they'd be stuck guiding the thing and they can't move. Maybe some F&F one that's top attack like a Javelin? But then again I don't think the Russians ever really developed an ATGM of the sort that ever got into service so...

>>63948830
>Tank or APC
I'll take the cosmonaut promotion over bleeding out on a field any day.

>>63957097
In one of his Bundeswehr videos. I'm sorry to be a faggot but I've had a look and can't find it. Not speaking German makes it hard to skim

Is the idea bad as part of some wider millitary strategy and semi niche tactic? No.

Is the idea bad as last ditch effort number 248 after a 'millitary superpower' ran out of the industrial capacity to attach wheels, ERA and lawnmower engines to stolen bathtubs. Yes absolutely

>>63949007
>tactical flip-flops
and here I thought it was only the sand people that wore those things.

>>63956258
>got shredded trying to go to and through the supposed gap
We're talking about what happens when they find a gap, not when they run into ambushes.

>>63946754 (OP)