>make a .308 rifle that can't stand the recoil

What went wrong with the WLVRN?

first i've heard of it.

>>63960495
People are too poor to shoot it. The design errors are starting to pop up.

Well it looks like it can't withstand the recoil of its chambering fellow redditor. +1 updoot for you.

>>63960493 (OP)
>>63960516
Is this part just made of soft aluminum with nothing to cushion the blow from the BCG hitting it? It kind of reminds me of those aftermarket metal SCAR stock hinges that caused the screw holes for the receiver back plate to egg out because they transferred the energy from the BGC to them, the difference being that in that case the issue was caused by an aftermarket part, and you were fine if you left it stock.

>>63960493 (OP)
Small companies can design something that works in principal, but have know idea how to design something for mass production or do any sort of rigorous testing. Actual QA programs are almost entirely foreign to these small companies.

It's like LMT losing a bunch of New Zealand rifles to firing pin failure because they just blindly trusted a subcontracted part to be in spec.

>>63960493 (OP)
idk why, but I have to consciously make myself read it as wolverine. my brain naturally reads it as wyvern, like the dragon.

>>63960559
It's also a common issue with scaling, at companies in all sorts of industries. Desert Tech did fine with their bolts, which are reasonably simple in design with lots of margin, extremely pricey and low volume. With that sort of gun you both need to and can afford to do lots and lots of hand checking, manufacturing everything important locally etc.

But then they tried to leap up the scale into an extremely custom design autogun done at large volume for much lower prices. Still very high prices for a 2010s/2020s rifle yeah, but relatively to their previous designs it's like 1/2 to 1/3 the price, with far more made. It's been painfully obvious all along that despite pretty good intentions (their warranty support has been superb overall, to the point where it's certainly cost them so much money that they've lost money on some MDRXs) they just have not managed to bridge that gap. Pencil and paper or simple excel spreadsheets or whatever work fine for hundreds of customers but not tens of thousands. And
>they just blindly trusted a subcontracted part to be in spec
Yeah this is has been painful to watch across thousands of companies over the last few decades. People thought and many STILL think that outsourcing to china or india or wherever is like ordering from a western company except way cheaper. What it really means is that you're trading certain things (potential cost, scaling etc) for more responsibility in QA/QC and riding herd, which almost always means you must have experts in it on the ground in that other country. It can easily be more expensive not less depending on how you do it. It's like using the Cloud for computing, it's a tool, and in some usage can save big money and/or offer big capabilities, but it can also cost you tons more then your own stuff, end up locking you into shit and pissing off your customers etc. And it takes expertise to use well.

>>63960565
holy shit I'm not the only one, yeah I was certain it was wyvrn for ages until I realized it was meant to be wolverine lmao

>>63960565
>>63960594
I say wol-vern

>>63960565
This is some Mandela effect shit lol

>>63960493 (OP)
Mormons suck at design and manufacturing and it keeps them in the "curiosity/oddity, but not practical" category.
Same problem Robinson Armament has.

>>63960519
>mormon apologist

>>63960594
This has got to be some mandildo effect because I thought it was supposed to be wyvern too.

>>63960589
> think that outsourcing to china or india is like ordering from a western company except way cheaper
The LMT firing pins were from an American supplier.

The issue of the total lack of QA programs has nothing to do with country of origin and everything to do with small companies having no engineer/metrologist and equipment on staff to actually conduct a QA program. They also take no analysis of production engineering to figure out which parts to check, how often to check them, and in what manner to do the checks. People in general have no idea how mass production occurs. Henry Ford didn't make his company on the back of the production line, he made it on the back of Johansson blocks.

Chris Bartocci has a (predictably long) video on this comparing the QA programs of LMT with those like Colt (in it's heyday).

>>63960666
Truth
>inb4 muh john browning
He was a tinkerer that developed some basic, but totally unworkable concepts. He greatly relied on actual engineers like his brother and those at Winchester to turn his designs into something that actually worked. Browning is probably the most overrated gun figure in history.

>>63960493 (OP)
>What went wrong with the WLVRN?

Made by an american company.
Americans are fundamentally unable to make good guns.
Just a law of the universe.
Every single US gun is a prototype some retard with zero engineering knowledge makes in his shed.
The tools evolved from hand files to (Haas lol) CNCs, but still the same bubba's bubba'ing it up cause they never heard anything about finite element analysis, computational fluid dynamics, or modal analysis.

>>63960535
Desert tech has never made a good product. Stop buying desert tech it's been decades it ain't getting better

>>63960535
The issue with Scars you’re talking about was literally caused by people not tightening or locktiting screws enough.

>>63960735
seething, impotent and excited to tell people about it, my kinda shitposter.

American manufacturing is a fucking joke
Buy Chinese

>>63960865
sorry about your baby dick, lil man.

>screws that keep bolt carrier rail in place snap off from recoil

How do you fuck up this bad?

>>63960493 (OP)
Desert tech has a division in India for cheaper parts. Do not redeem.

>>63960768
Torque specs may as well be rocket science and Loctite is some elder magic to the general population.
t. works maintenance in a factory

>>63960868
>muh dick
nigger

>>63960493 (OP)
this is me every time I look at the gummy rubber block that pins the X95's recoil mechanism to the gun

>>63960865
Chang guns are so shit they make even Pajeet firearms look quality in comparison.
>>63960912
DIY garage fixers are some of the most hard headed people you can imagine, despite thinking they're mechanically inclined.
I spent 20min. on the phone explaining dry vs. wet torque values to someone on the phone explaining why they crushed an aluminum RC plane frame.
>but 20in/lbs is 20in/lbs
>can I speak to a manager?
Kill me.

>>63960940
>Pajeet firearms look quality in comparison.
SAAAAAAAAAAR

>>63960753
>Desert tech has never made a good product
The SRS and HTI are both awesome. Sorry if you hate that fact but it's a fact.

Looks like a user problem, the shoulder is supposed to absorb the recoil not the stock

>>63960493 (OP)
The 308 wlvrns were massively overgassed, they finally came out with new gas plug. I had to adjust mine up 3 settings higher once I got the new plug in. Shoots much softer now.

>>63960720
>The issue of the total lack of QA programs has nothing to do with country of origin
Yes and no. Back in the day when you've worked with normal suppliers and contractors the defect rate for something usually would be way less than 1%, i.e. going over 1% would be considered "shit's fucked" and thus you could do pretty lightweight QA, i.e. something like "take 1 device out of a 100 or even 1000, try out its basic functions", with the goal being mostly to find if somehow defect rates spiked suddenly. These days you can often receive 30-50% (or even more) components which are fucked.

They have better things to do than QC, like slaying underage trafficked mormon cooze all day.

>>63962176
where can I too partake in this mormon booze

>>63962190
Join the church and donate <$30k a year and they'll hook you up with an ex-slut who left and rejoined the church. <$50k a year will get you someone's mediocre, but virgin, unmarried older daughter.
Get to donating about >$100k or more a year and they'll reserve a church member's prime 18 year old for you.
Not joking, either, the entire church is one giant pay to play scheme.

>>63960493 (OP)
the weak should fear the strong
retvrn to .223 you tuppershit

>>63960720
>greatly relied on actual engineers like his brother and those at Winchester
And what were the nationalities of these fellas again?

>>63962006
>that entire post
Prime example of what I meant when I said the vast majority of people have zero idea how production works. His numbers are nonsense and his concept of QA/QC has no basis in reality.

>>63962190
What you actually want is a fundamentalist mormon group. FLDS sects are the ones with polygamy and child trafficking. All you have to do is convert, be devout, and, most importantly, bring in money to the sect prophet.

>>63960865
>Buy Chinese

>>63960720
>Colt (in it's heyday).
I could be wrong, but I think Colt was the first company that was doing HPI/MPI testing on their bolts and barrels. Not sure if they were doing batch or individual.
Then the rest of the industry followed suit right around the time the original AR manufacturer tier list came out in the late 00's.

>>63960865
>chink
no thx

>>63963379
stupid american, don't you realize that the bullet landing sideways inflicts MORE damage? same effect as a higher caliber round!!!

>>63960493 (OP)
>zigger ally
>makes trash
mogged again

Even a FAL has like a 10k lifetime round count. I dont trust any .308 with plastic parts outside a SCAR and the SCAR is not worth 3k for a 2-4 moa battle rifle

>>63960493 (OP)
>what went wrong
Designers are in charge instead of engineers

>>63964842
>2-4 moa
/arg/ or r*ddit?

>>63960720
>Browning is probably the most overrated gun figure in history.
I hate to agree with this, but Mr. Browning loved making tiny mouse guns. The US Army had to force him to put a big boolet into his best design, the 1911. Part of that makes me think he got extremely lucky with the 1911 being as good as it is since the Hi-Power is so shitty in comparison.

Should have bought a Kel-Tec

>>63969065
You obviously don’t know shit about guns. He designed those because that was the self defense fashion at the time. Small personal defense pistols and velodogs that fit in a vest/coat pocket. Nobody wore a full size pistol around like is hyped up today even though it’s totally unnecessary. And you seem to have forgotten the M2 HMG which will be in military service for thousands more years and the Auto 5 which is the first reliable semiautomatic shotgun. And the hi-power is great with the exception of the magazine safety which is very easily removed.

>>63963379
It's not "keyholing".
It's quantum bullets out of pure chinesium barrels.
Doesn't get more implessive than that.

>>63969152
>hi-power is great
The 1911 has better ergos and trigger, which is 90% of what makes a handgun good. Somehow the Hi-Power reintroduced hammer bite, which makes me think it was barely Browning's design at all. The only thing good about the Hi-Power is the magazine. Maybe you could argue that the removal of the barrel link was a good thing since it's the weak point of the 1911.