Why is 2-round burst not more popular? - /k/ (#63962696) [Archived: 492 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:14:15 AM No.63962696
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>every service rifle on the planet has full auto but no one uses it because it's useless
>most soldiers in most armies are trained to shoot semi-auto doubles on any kind of quickly-appearing target on any range inside of 100m
The AN-94 doing that hyperburst thing is just silly and overly complicated from a mechanical perspective, but surely having a 2-round burst at the rifle's normal rate of fire would be an actually useful fire mode? A 2-round burst at 950rpm from a M4 would be much quicker than anything anyone could shoot with two trigger presses, and you'd be more accurate as the two rounds would be fired in such rapid succession that the extreme spread wouldn't be affected that much.

From my brief googling it looks like HK is the only company which ever made trigger groups with 2-round burst, and I can see that being great for MP5s which have almost no recoil but I wonder why nobody ever tried it with 5.56 assault rifles.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:17:31 AM No.63962710
because burst mechanisms are stupid and full auto 5.56 isn't even that hard to control.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:22:35 AM No.63962727
>>63962696 (OP)
>HK is the only company which ever made trigger groups with 2-round burst
KRISS
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:23:51 AM No.63962730
Hello no-guns OP
Basically here's how it goes with most US military full autos:
1st shot on target
2nd shot deviates away
3rd shot continues to deviate, but not near as much
4th shot moves back on target, generally close to the 2nd shot
5th shot continues to move on target almost always closer than the 2nd
6th and higher remain in the target zone
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:25:42 AM No.63962737
>>63962730
>most US military full autos
It's just all full autos (other than SMGs).
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:21:30 AM No.63962958
>>63962696 (OP)
I agree.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:21:38 AM No.63962959
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>>63962696 (OP)
>HK is the only company which ever made trigger groups with 2-round burst
Apparently Colt made a 2 and 5 round burst during development that never saw use
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:13:22 PM No.63965064
>>63962696 (OP)
isn't the whole point of 2 round bursts that they don't go to exactly the same place?
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:42:51 PM No.63965235
>>63962696 (OP)
your entire post is just speculation. its worthless. go to a range and rent a machine gun or shut the fuck up.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 8:10:23 PM No.63965362
>>63965064
Not necessarily.
Certain armors get compromised and can be penetrated with multiple hits; the closer together, the better.
Also, two bullets taking the same path at different times will hit different spots on a moving target. If a target is running at 10 feet per second and a gun is shooting at 900rpm, he has changed position by eight inches between each shot.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 8:58:20 PM No.63965567
>>63962959
The top cog wheel there is for six-round burst but
>reposted my screen cap
:3c
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:00:55 PM No.63965578
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Just put two bullets in one cartridge, idiot.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:05:24 PM No.63965597
>>63965567
Yeah what is this from? I couldn't find any more information about this anywhere
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:12:35 PM No.63965632
A2 fire control
A2 fire control
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>>63965597
Screen cap is from
https://youtu.be/GBrkf-GAbwA?t=230

The only credit in the description section of the video:

Ezell, Edward Clinton, Thomas M. Pegg, and W. H. B. Smith. Small Arms of the World: A Basic Manual of Small Arms. New York: Barnes & Noble, 1993.

I guess those images are all from that book

>>63965578
Wouldn't that just splode the cartridge or chamber
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:13:58 PM No.63965641
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>>63965578
This but in a revolver, like a 357 case
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:15:25 PM No.63965647
>>63965597
That is two say two!

Stevens, R. Blake, and Edward Clinton Ezell. The Black Rifle: M16 Retrospective. Cobourg, Ont: Collector Grade Publications, 2004

I never gotten my hands on that book and think it's out of print too. He probably got his copy from Ebay or something
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:16:26 PM No.63965656
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>>63965632
>Wouldn't that just splode the cartridge or chamber
NTA but nope, also been dun befo.
>50-30 squeezebore
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:22:03 PM No.63965684
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>>63965632
Oops, *50-30 salvo squeezebore
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:23:40 PM No.63965696
>>63965684
Fucking hell, .50 is like the 12 Gauge of heavy guns
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:34:24 PM No.63965747
>>63965632
>Wouldn't that just splode the cartridge or chamber
No, that's a duplex round from the ACR trials. They worked fine for what they were designed for. It's just that what they were designed for was really dumb.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:44:33 PM No.63965805
>>63965747
>millions of dollars in R&D only to be filtered by double taps
Grim!
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:50:00 PM No.63965830
>>63962696 (OP)
>2-round burst
We can go lower...
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:55:31 PM No.63965858
>>63965747
It was actually the best performing of all of the ACR prototypes, but still did worse than a normal M16 with normal ammo.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:58:42 PM No.63965870
>>63962730
That's just the burst pattern from counter strike
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 9:59:53 PM No.63965874
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>>63965641
reminded me of this
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 10:26:36 PM No.63966001
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>>63965874
sauce?
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 10:32:05 PM No.63966031
>>63966001
Whitehouse.gov
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 10:35:15 PM No.63966045
>>63962696 (OP)
Binary triggers kind of fulfil the same purpose.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 10:36:17 PM No.63966050
>>63965064
OP appears to be confusing 'hyperburst' with short bursts of fire, hyperburst being where the rifle cycles so fast that the recoil doesn't have time to meaningfully deviate the direction of fire

hyperburst is also not really a thing
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 10:46:51 PM No.63966087
>>63965578
>>63965747
>>63965805
Wasn't the point of the ACR and SPEW shit to increase hit probability by firing multiple projectiles? Like how shotguns increase hit probability
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:22:16 PM No.63966219
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>>63966087
SPIW, but yeah. The world phased out .30 calibre in favour of .22 calibre after the AR-15 demonstrated machine carbines with efficient ammo carry increased hit probability more than clunky weapons with meme loads
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:25:26 PM No.63966235
>>63962696 (OP)
i mean, if you ever shoot a machine gun you'll realize you can just shoot a 2 round burst pretty easily and that limiting yourself doesnt do any good at all
>no one uses full auto
completely wrong
theres a reason we moves to more smaller, more controllable guns just so we could use them better in full auto
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:27:56 PM No.63966251
>>63966050
actually you can accomplish that on basically any gun with an rpm of higher than 900, especially ones in pistol calibers
the recoil for the ppsh and the suomi for example are described like just a push
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:28:57 PM No.63966258
>>63966235
moved*
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:47:24 PM No.63966328
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10.5 barrel, 15 yards, 4 mags of 5.56, constant 3 round bursts.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:58:26 PM No.63966360
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>>63966219
^ This >>63966087
Plus the proliferation of standardized optics like ACOGs and LPVO's for common grunts essentially threw that program into deadnigger storage extra hard.
Turns out being able to actually see what your shooting at does a lot more than meme bullets, the flechette concept was pretty bad ass though.

>>63962696 (OP)
>Why is 2-round burst not more popular?
Because we aren't the French?
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:04:30 AM No.63966561
>>63962696 (OP)
Because with minimal training, itโ€™s not that hard to learn how to fire off controlled bursts with full auto. Just takes basic trigger control. Full auto is more versatile
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:35:57 AM No.63966692
>>63966328
thats a pretty bad grouping for that distance ngl
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:41:13 AM No.63966712
>>63966328
>>63966692
He's making an argument against full auto with these groups. Has to be, right?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 3:56:39 AM No.63967238
>>63966360
lol /ak/ your funneh