Thread 63963120

Why did handguns over take shotguns as the premiere
>I only have one gun and it's for home defense, gun
I can't imagine that many people are concealed carrying. Is it a storage thing? is it because tv and movies portray handguns are cooler?

>>63963120 (OP)
I imagine a big part of why shotguns were popular in previous generations was the fact that hunting was more common; not just for sport but for food as well. If you live outside of a major city in the early 20th century, you probably already own and know how to use a shotgun.

>>63963120 (OP)
>>63963143
I dont even own a shotgun but I own at least 20 rifles and pistols.

>>63963163
>I dont even own a shotgun
why not?

>>63963170
I have one, but I can see someone having no reason to own one if he lives in an area where he doesn't have access to a clays range and doesn't hunt birds

>>63963120 (OP)
women and swarthoids, I'd wager. easier to handle for the former, easier to understand/more street cred for having "da blicky wit da switch!1!!" for the latter. trend started picking up steam 'round '08, you figure out why.

>>63963120 (OP)
I think it's storage (you're not putting a shotgun in your nightstand), >>63963143, and ease of use. It's a lot easier to stumble around with a pistol, especially if you don't practice.

>>63963120 (OP)
Concealed carry is stupid big right now and only going to get bigger if trends continue. That along with stagger 9’s like the sig 365 making firearm carry more convenient then ever equate to a booming industry.

>>63963120 (OP)
Convenience. Are you stupid?

You want power, get rifle. You want [gun], get handgun.

>>63963170
Same reason I don't own a full size pistol, I don't have a use for one.
>don't shoot clays/trap/skeet
>don't hunt with shotguns (I like my hunting rifle)
>home defense weapon is an AR with a suppressor

I've thought about 3 Gun which would require a shotgun and was thinking of the Beretta A300 but this would be a ways out.

>>63963176
>>63963252
fair

>>63963240
>reddit spacing
nah, you must be the gay retard here

>>63963120 (OP)
Considering the source, odds are they didn't realize many of those "handguns" are actually AR pistols. Which are typically preferable to shotguns for the reasons you suggest.

>>63963120 (OP)
Handguns became cheaper and you also had more modern handguns enter the market as police trade ins and other used guns so they became more accessible

>>63963293
that says manufactured, not sold, though sold follows the same trend. you know antis are trying to get police trade ins banned?

>>63963120 (OP)
It made sense in the past since most families would have already owned shotguns for hunting and said gun would be perfectly adequate for HD. Nowadays most gun owners/aspiring gun owners are of the non-hunter urban population. This means that they don't have a real reason to own a shotgun but they do need a form of protection that they can carry outside of the house when working or traveling. Moreover, since the interest in guns is primarily for fighting, it makes more sense to get rifles and pistols with faster capacity and follow up shots rather than a shotgun. Even for range toys, shotguns are comparatively more expensive to feed.

>>63963120 (OP)
There are a shitload of states with constitutional carry now. And Biden talking about HD shotguns made it all retarded.

>>63963358
the rifle boom is entirely ARs but there are more handguns made and sold than rifles

>>63963170
Not him but I grew up in urban/suburban areas and never hunted or shot clays so the firearms that I own for practical purposes are just handguns and a rifle. As for everything else, my interest in guns mostly comes from video games and other media so most of what I buy are military firearms which rarely overlaps with shotguns.

i think the AR bubble is going to pop eventually. you can see it with del-ton and anderson going out of business. shotguns will overtake rifles again when most ARs are 700-1000 dollars again. handguns will always remain popular

>>63963397
They got pushed out of business because PSA ate their lunch by selling at a lower margin and higher volumes. PSA is going to eternally keep the poorfags armed with ARs

>>63963407
but you can already see PSA trying to pivot to more expensive guns with their sabre line. i don't think the margins are enough for PSA to consistently rely on lower end AR sales and even then I still think more people will eventually go back to shotguns when the realities of QC or lack thereof becomes apparent in low end PSA ARs. or when wages stagnate even more than they do now to a point when even those aren't worth the price they are asking for anymore

>>63963397
>i think the AR bubble is going to pop eventually
it already did
>shotguns will overtake rifles again when most ARs are 700-1000 dollars again.
shotguns are never regaining popularity unless people start hunting again for some reason

>>63963454
well i dont predict shotguns ever gaining popularity over handguns if AR prices spike back up to early 2000s times again. just that they would most likely be more popular over rifles at that point because i dont think people would be getting things like savage axis's or ruger americans for home defense

>>63963479
I think people would just buy glocks

>>63963479
Why do you think AR prices are going to spike again?

>>63963644
too many companies like andro corp, radical, bear creek, NBS, hi-point, etc. are making lower end ARs by sourcing parts from the same OEMS that provide them to everyone and most of this supply will eventually outstrip demand, as we can already see with companies like del-ton or anderson going out of business.
most of these companies will never be able to survive at the margins they produce them at with reduced sales and will eventually collapse, ARs might plummet to sub 300 for a short time when companies dump whatever unsold stock they have unto to the market. and used ARs will keep them down for a time as well, but eventually when those ARs experience parts breakages or when people decide to hold unto them the only manufacturers left will be those who primarily survive by either selling $800 and over ARs to various LEOs or military contractors and those who make boutique high end ARs.
combine this was a predicted economic slowdown, wages not keeping up with inflation or 60% of people living paycheck to paycheck and it simply wont be profitable anymore for companies to produce lower end ARs.

>>63963431
PSA would like to sell higher margin, luxury products, but you're dumb if you think they are going to stop selling the gudenuf AR while there is still a healthy demand for it. The real problem is that with the explosion of the rifle market but lack of serious innovation, ARs being durable goods means that eventually they'll have finally answered all the pent up demand and suddenly they'll have to compete with a massive second hand market, and it'll get even worse if there is a significantly better gun that replaces the AR-15 and people start offloading their cope rifles to buy the new hotness. However, that doesn't remove ARs from the market, and they're so much better then a shotgun for home defense that the latter will continue to have an ever declining market share.

For the record, the reason that shotguns were the go to weapon was because they were the only cheap but reliable firearms for a long time. Before the AR explosion as a result of internet and vetbro culture, the sunsetting of the Clinton AWB, and manufacturers not fearing a second one, a decent semi-auto rifle in any calibre other then .22lr was going to run you 3x the price of a reputable pump shotgun that you could trust to go bang, and a decent handgun, which fired a substantially less effective round, was around twice the cost at minimum.

>>63963666
CHECKED, I would argue that a $200 Maverick 88 is still arguably more reliable and of a higher quality than a $350 PSA Ar-15. And I would say cheapo AR's still have a (somewhat justified) stigma around them being largely unreliable or low quality.

>>63963666
Thanks Satan, spittin facts (and actual Hell-fire).

>>63963665
>too many companies like andro corp, radical, bear creek, NBS, hi-point, etc. are making lower end ARs by sourcing parts from the same OEMS that provide them to everyone and most of this supply will eventually outstrip demand
>the only manufacturers left will be those who primarily survive by either selling $800 and over ARs to various LEOs or military contractors and those who make boutique high end ARs.
B does not follow A. The fact that there is a current oversupply in the number of low-end AR manufacturers doesn't mean that niche isn't viable at all. The market may consolidate, sure, but it's hardly likely to be the end of the sector. Some manufacturers will close down, those left will survive as the increased volume of sales make up for the narrow margins.

>>63963391
>my interest in guns mostly comes from video games and other media
I bought a shotgun because it's fun to shoot. I don't hunt and don't shoot clays. That's it.

>>63963851
shooting shotguns at static targets isn't fun

>>63963120 (OP)
amerikkkan gun outdated mogged by drone hard in ass hole like all zigger vassal state trash

>>63965055
static targets become boring quickly and forever the instant you shoot your first clay. It can ruin your shooting experience.

>>63965082
shalom
>>63965128
he said he didn't shoot clays

yeah

Can't keep a shotgun in my center console

>>63963431
PSA is trying to pivot to higher quality guns because once you're a company of that size, you're kind of dumb to not try and apply some of what you've learned along the way to do better. No don't get me wrong, I like PSA but until they prove they have learned how to properly beta test and assemble guns, I'm not going to trust them for anything beyond the parts.

But regarding the lower level AR market, they have more or less got that cornered thanks to low labor costs in South Carolina and vertical integration.

>>63965055
Tell that to the broken washer full of birdshot in my backyard. Clays birds bear deer or trash, shottys will forever be the best dollars to fun conversion tool on the market.

>>63967331
>Tell that to the broken washer full of birdshot in my backyard. Clays birds bear deer or trash,
not beating the mag dumping into garbage accusation
>shottys will forever be the best dollars to fun conversion tool on the market.
that would be .22lr

>>63967331
You should try vertically integrating that picture, anon.

>>63967331
>PSA is trying to pivot to higher quality guns
>poorfags unironically believe this