Why was the remington rolling block (1.5 milly rifles) so much more popular than the john moses browning 1885 winchster (160k rifles)
Is it just due to military use of the rolling block, timing (1867 vs 1885) or something else?

>>63963268 (OP)
Some rolling blocks sold in Africa came with bandanas that has picture instructions printed on them showing how to operate it without using words as it was assumed that the users would be illiterate. The bandanas were also available in different colors depending on the buyers preference so they could be used as identifiers as they thus technically met the rules for being a 'uniform' according to the laws of war.

>>63963294
that is fucking hilarious

>>63963268 (OP)
Rolling block was the AK47 of the latter half of the 19th century.
>cheap
>easy to produce
>came in all sorts of calibers
>reliable
>accurate enough
>simple to use
So many nations used the Rolling block as primary weapons, secondary weapons, for gendarmerie/security troops, and colonial troops.
They can also be easily converted to different calibers and some were even converted to smokeless powder. Some variants of these guns even saw limited service into the early 20th century and even WWI.
Much like the 1885, many people in the civilian world used them for hunting and match shooting.

While the 1885 isnt a bad gun, it wasn’t a mass produced infantry weapon that was in production for 20 years when itself was produced. Browning at this time was a much smaller company compared to Remington.
I had an egyptian rolling block that i never shot and got rid of so someone else can enjoy it. Just from handing it, it was easy to manipulate, clean, and was pretty balanced despite its longer length compared to more modern weapons.
It’s a good gun.

>>63963294
>>63963318
I have one of those for the Martini Henry

The Rolling Block is so much more robust and simple of an action than any other single shot of the era.

>>63963351
the 1885s are retardedly strong. I think winchester said they were the strongest action the company ever made

>>63963349
Please for the love of kek post it!

>>63963357
In terms of chamber pressures and that sort of thing, sure, but I meant more along the lines of resistant to outside damage. It's as close to soldier proof as any firearm has ever been.

>>63963294
neat, you got any pictures? I'd love to see them

to put it in perspective
1860 henry -- 14,000 rifles
1866 winchester --- 170,100 rifles
1873 winchster --- 720,000 rifles
1876 winchster --- 63,800 rifles
1885 winchester --- 140,000
1886 winchester --- 160,000
so all Winchester models from 1860-1886 only sold 1,267,900 guns. There were 1,500,000 Remington Rolling Blocks. So Winchester only started to sell more rifles than the one singular Remington model after the introduction of the 1892 and combined the 1892 and 1895 sold like 1,460,000 rifles so only the 1894 outsold the rolling block, of the original winchester lever guns

OP here, semi related, Custard brought his own rolling block in .50-70 to little big horn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKx8oTSht8

>>63963362
The little scenes along the edge are helpful tips on how to maneuver, concealment vs. cover, defensive positioning etc. Also depicts the alphabet for telegraphs, useful bugle calls, flag signs at things like that.

>>63963641
based

>>63963268 (OP)
>Is it just due to military use of the rolling block
Yes. Militaries loved them because they were cheap and idiot-proof. No lever-action ever had widespread military adoption. They were too expensive and too fragile.

>>63963268 (OP)
mostly timing. 1885 was past the tail end of when basically anybody military was still buying single shot rifles for anything other than training, and those who were were overwhelmingly so brokedick poor that they would be buying secondhand

>>63963641
That is a fantastically useful item.

>>63963294
fucking lel

>>63963351
You are retarded.
Falling block actions are absolutely stronger than a rolling block from a purely mechanical/geometric standpoint.

>>63965143
You misunderstand the claim. He's not talking about their ability to withstand the pressure of stout cartridges. He's talking about the overall durability of the firearm--how well it survives being thrown out of a wagon, dropped in the mud, mishandled by Private Inbred McFuck, and so on.

>>63963268 (OP)
Rolling block came out almost.20 years before the 1885
By 1885 most nations were using big 11mm bolt actions

>>63965254
bongs were still using the martini henry at the time

>>63963641
It's not every day I learn something genuinely interesting on /k/ but now I'm in freefall down the rabbit hole on this one.

Learning about all the handkerchiefs recovered in the Spanish American War now.

>>63963641
Neat

>>63963641
Older rifles always have the most godlike threads

>>63963641
Damn that’s fucking kino

>>63965337
Yay, a respected fellow tripfag liked my post. I feel all warm, fuzzy and validated now.

They are pretty cool, i feel like /k/ should come up with it's own version and have someone actually make them.

Is there a proper name for them?

>>63966660
Military instructional handkerchief or "fighting handkerchief"
There's loads of different ones out there, and not all were meant for illiterate fuzzie wuzzies. Some were issued or sold to a home nation's soldiers.
This is a British naval one

>>63966717
Once this thread page 10s we need to have a thread just about them, collect as many designs as we can then make one for /k/ then annoy kommando store into making them.

>>63963268 (OP)
>Why was the remington rolling block (1.5 milly rifles) so much more popular than the john moses browning 1885 winchster (160k rifles)
Because it was around in 1868 dumbass

>>63966717
I love these have a small collection of repros for my guns

>>63966660
>norktard takes credit for my post
cool?

>Rolling block vs Levergun thread
>Now military instructional handkerchief thread

>>63966887
that's literally one of the theories presented in the OP, fagolieo

>>63966938
the falling block winchester is lever actuated, but it's not what people usually mean by levergun. Like people don't call the martini henri or ruger no 1 lever guns

>>63966928
No, i would never do that. Sorry if you think so or if i gave that impression This was the post i am referring too:

>>63963294
That was me, the one that first mentioned the bandana thing.

>>63967330
Ah ok that makes sense. You replied to reply of me posting my Martini Henry handkerchief, making seem that wumbologists reply was to your post.

Also your trip wasnt on for that post so confusion to be had.
Eh..

>>63967396
I apologize for any confusion, if it is worth anything to you i blame myself.

I have a distinctive writing style and very specific areas of interest, i am often confronted with people who both demand i use a trip and those who condemn me for using it. Also many people hate me because i like the DPRK..

I meant no offense to you, i was just happy that you noted something i said when i wasn't using my trip. I'm sorry for any drama i may have inadvertently created.

>image: Qt.14 NCO in charge of the KPANF Ship Pueblo, it's a bit dated.

>>63963327
To add to this list:
>only like two different kinds of screws, which doesn't sound like anything special today but was a level of simplicity unheard of back then
>action strong enough to survive into the smokeless age, once the metallurgy caught up

>>63963357
There were definitely a few designs that were stronger (in terms of containing chamber pressure and bolt thrust) than the rolling block, but the rolling block was strong enough.

>>63963268 (OP)
Did guys fire those off their armpits/upper arms or were the crescent buttplates vestigial by that point?

>>63967396
I am not sure when i should use my trip or not, if it caused any issue i apologize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gpvqt8isM&list=RDV-4N0xBpU38&index=3

>>63967757
>>63967884
na youre good bro. The no trip post initially confused me why Norktard suddenly was calling back to a post-reply-reply that appeared to reference my own post.
At this point dont worry about it any more we're good, I see what was going on now.
If its even more helpful I do like you specific brand of DPRK autism so youre not talking with the haters here.

>>63963268 (OP)
i want a full wood stock military wood repro in common modern calibers.

>>63968387
same. it'd be cool.

>>63966717
Never heard of these, some mandela shit must've happened to insert these into history without me noticing.

>>63968387
>>63968412
you could build your own on an old action

>>63968387
Here's a modern martini Henry replica but it's only configured as a sporting rifle for whatever reason
https://www.damko-usa.com/damko-modern-martini-rifle-c-54_56/
Also hair raisingly expensive but that's to be expected

>>63969828
because they made sporting rifles of martini actions at the time and most people don't like the heavier musket styles because heavy. winchester lever actions started trending more and more to like shotgun style half/button mags after the thread of injuns went away

>>63968387
Pedersoli makes them in.45-70

>>63963318
>that is fucking hilarious
>>63963294

The blacks would raise the sights all the way, because the larger numbers, they thought they shot "harder" cause of that.

>>63969828
>https://www.damko-usa.com/damko-modern-martini-rifle-c-54_56/
>>63970036
thanks guys but yea i want the full military length stocks im sure that would add 450 bucks to the total msrp.

>>63971352
on the rolling blocks? I read that in fireforce with the AKs

>>63971421
All of them. Became a thing in the musket days. 2000 looks more impressive than 200.

>>63969731
how

>>63972551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKx8oTSht8