Why do people take doodoo dumps on the Governor and act like it's a horrible self-defense handgun? I think it's really cool, maybe not to carry everywhere, but to keep in your house or car. Never shot one but im sure it's loads of fun.

have you seen how large they are?

>>63968817 (OP)
Because it *is* a pretty bad self-defense handgun. It's very large and heavy for its capacity and contrary to popular belief it's not some magic handcannon that justifies that size and bulk. .410 ammo is also expensive which makes training with the gun a hassle.

>but to keep in your house
no point in cucking yourself with a handgun then. people love to argue about calibers but the one key fact in defensive shootings is long gun >>>>> hand gun. Compromising to a hand gun is reasonable if you're carrying it away from home. At home there's no need to worry about concealment anymore. Size no longer matters. Get a long gun for HD.

>sure its loads of fun
They are tons of fun.

T. guy with 3 Judges, a Governor, and a Thunder Five.

>>63968846
>long gun >>>>> hand gun
k but what about a shorter barrel

>>63968817 (OP)
Because it's a meme. The only practical thing it does well is as a woods gun in snake country because you can carry a couple chambers loaded with shotshells and the rest with actual bullets for defense against people or bears or whatever.

>>63968817 (OP)
Broadly speaking?
.410 is garbage. .45LC is decent-ish. .45 ACP is, of course, one of the big 3 so is really good. But you’re sacrificing a lot in terms of size and mass just to end up with six rounds of .45.

>>63969164
The problem is that the Governor, Judge, etc, kinda suck for shooting .45 LC or .45 ACP. The cartridges thesemlves are fine. The problem is the massive amount of freebore before the bullet hits the forcing cone because those cartridges are so much shorter than a .410 shell. Also notice that the base diameter of a .410 shotshell (.470) is quite a bit larger than the diameter of a .45 LC or .45 ACP bullet (.452). That means two things:
1) powder gas leaks out from the gap between the cylinder bore and the bullet, wasting power
2) the bullet won't hit the forcing cone perfectly aligned, which fucks with your accuracy.

If you want to carry 5 shots of .45 then do so in a normal revolver with a cylinder designed to shoot those cartridges exclusively without being .410 compatible.

>>63969164
You don’t know shit
>muh long like it’s a 38
There is no 45 “long Colt”. It’s 45 Colt
>45ACP good, 45 Colt meh
45ACP was literally designed to be ballistically the same as 45 Colt because that’s what the army wanted. They are basically the same. 45 Colt also has the revolver advantage of loading oddly shaped rounds because you don’t need to worry about feeding issues.
>.410 bore is garbage
A 00 buck pellet is like getting shot with a .32. Getting shot with .410 00 buck would be like getting shot with three .32s at the same time. To suggest it’s garbage is retarded.

>>63969292
NTA, .410 cartridges are fine, the problem is once again numbers. .410 revolvers actually have a .45 cal barrel, and they're rifled. That means a .410 wad won't seal properly because it's 0.040" too small, and there's the rifling involved which flings out pellets into a donut pattern. Theoretically a single row of large buckshot isn't affected much by rifling--it wouldn't be at all if the barrel really were .410 instead--but because the barrel is too big the shot necessarily sits a little off center and thus you get really wonky patterns. You can shoot a pie plate at 5 yards and you might get every pellet within 2 inches of the center or you might get zero pellets on the plate, and that's the problem. If you were carrying a normal revolver (or pistol) instead you'd have a solid center mass hit instead.

>>63968846
>but the one key fact in defensive shootings is long gun >>>>> hand gun.
Ok, so pic related then?

>>63969292
> There is no 45 “long Colt”. It’s 45 Colt
Same fucking thing.

I've wanted to buy one or a Judge for years as a double action .45 Colt revolver that has a bonus fun gimmick attached. I know it's not the ideal .45 Colt revolver, but there's not exactly a ton of options out there in the realm of double action.

>>63969292
>There is no 45 “long Colt”. It’s 45 Colt
It was called 45 long colt to distinguish it from what is now known as .45 Schofield which fit in the same cylinders.

But everyone nowadays what someone means unless faggots like you make an issue of it

>>63969292
>Anon's 45. Colt isn't long
>laughinggirls.jpg

>>63969589
It’s more of a .45 Colt CB probably.

>>63969586
>now known as .45 Schofield
No.
.45 Schofield would not fit in the cylinders. It had a wider rim.
Both Colt and Schofield revolvers were issued with their own ammunition.
The Army eventually switched to .45 Army which was a Colt case shortened to fit the Schofield cylinder, the rim was just enough to still work. Since this was a "short Colt" case people called the original Long Colt.

>>63968817 (OP)
>*BOOM*
>*ping*
>"ha ha ha"
>*BOOM*
>*ping*
>"ha ha, let's send one out to the gong"
>*BOOM*
>-pause-
>*CLANG*
>"ha ha ha"

>>63969610
>.45 Schofield would not fit in the cylinders. It had a wider rim
Yes, it would. They would load every other chamber which halved capacity but they did it.
>>63969610
Yes and this short colt is .45 Schofield with less rim

>>63969153
>>63969164

.410 buck exists retards. 5-8 buckshot pellets which will land in a torso from indoor ranges.

>>63970455
Standard .410 000 buckshot loads are 3 pellets in 2-1/2 shells or 5 pellets in 3" shells. They don't pattern all that well as >>63969330 explains. Anything smaller than a 000 pellet won't be sitting in the centerline of the shell and the rifling will therefore fling it out even worse. You could aim perfectly dead center at a man's chest and miss with every pellet.

>>63968817 (OP)
Why not carry a 3" 44 magnum? It's unironically the easier gun to carry and you don't need to shoot snakes in the burbs. Plus snakes are kino anyway and don't really bother anybody.

44mag>anything posted it for defensive use.

>>63968817 (OP)
Because it's a horrible self-defense handgun.

Even if you're a believer in big bore heavy bullets, why wouldn't you double your capacity and choose something like Federal HSTs in the 45ACP+p loading?

>>63968817 (OP)
>too short of barrel to be an accurate 45colt
>.410 spreads so immediately there's no useable range to it
if you were to use it on someone standing immediately outside your car or something similar, it'd be useful but so would any other gun

>>63971338
>.410 spreads so immediately there's no useable range to it
Fuddlore.
Federal .410 handgun 000 buckshot can put all 4 pellets on a man size target at 25 yards. At 5 yards it's basically all in the same hole. That's usable spread within 25 yards which is the maximum distance in the F.B.I handgun qualifications.
You don't have to like them and you can argue their practicality but these .410 handguns are not useless when they're loaded correctly.

I hunt Grouse and Ptarmigan with mine. I use Federal 4shot defense loads. I bought Hornady Triple Defense to see what it was like and I'd use those.

>>63968846
>Thunder Five
I saw this gun first in the movie Three Kings and thought it was awesome.

>>63969271
Someone should make "extended 45 colt" brass and loadings just for use in the Judge/Governor to solve the freebore issue. Bonus, it'll be really funny when retards load the whole case full of powder and blow their gun and hand up.

>>63968817 (OP)
Just buy what you like

>>63969409
Just get a S&W 25. You'll spend more but enjoy it way more too.

>>63971940
Only if they call it “.45 Maximum Colt”

>>63971940
Lehigh Maximum Expansion 220gr bullets don't use up all the freebore, but they certainly take advantage of the larger than usual chamber size.

>>63968846
>long gun >>>>> hand gun
If you're talking about shotguns, the problems, in order of severity, are (1) reliability (2) safety (3) capacity

Reliability: In my experience, shotguns have feed problems often - an order of magnitude more than other weapons. Worse, feed issues are difficult to clear; essentially impossible to clear in the dark, and under stress. I just can't trust them.

Safety: you cannot keep a shotgun in condition 1. You have to keep it in "cruiser-ready" ...and then hope you can feed that first round under stress.

Capacity: arguably not an issue, since you trade capacity for power. It depends on the defensive situation. But if you burn up your X rounds, and the threat still exists, you're absolutely fucked.

That said, I lived through hurricane katrina and was cut off from civilization for a while. I was very thankful to have a shotgun, but I also kept a handgun in a holster. If I had to choose one, I would choose the handgun.

If by "long gun" you mean a rifle, you need to clarify that you're talking about some specialty rifle. Because if you take a typical AR-15 in 5.56x45 and you fire it inside your house, you're gonna have a bad time. Enjoy hearing EEEEEEEEEE for the rest of your life.

A responsible gun owner should have a handgun, a shotgun, and a rifle. If a burglar breaks in at 2 AM, get your handgun first. If there's time, you can get the shotgun next.

>>63973555
>If by "long gun" you mean a rifle,
I mean both rifles and shotguns. You know how people like to dickmeasure different calibers and argue about 9mm vs. .45, or 5.56 vs 7.62x39 etc? Well if you look at the data we have from real world-shootings the conclusions are that shotguns and rifles perform about the same, and that either one is much better than a handgun.

>A responsible gun owner should have a handgun, a shotgun, and a rifle.
Ah yes, the beginner gun owner consooomer checklist. If you hunt or shoot clays, which you totally should, a shotgun is a must. If you don't, it's just redundant to your rifle. A shotgun going off in your home isn't exactly hearing friendly either.

>>63970717
No one cares about 2.5 inch shells, and 000 is not the only thing in the universe called buckshot, so yes 5-8 pellets.

>As this guy says
I don't give a fuck what baseless shit he says. Indoors you'll put every single pellet on a torso sized target.

>>63976947
>not the only thing in the universe called buckshot, so yes 5-8 pellets.
Anon, do you even shoot .410? The next size of buckshot down from 000 you can find in a .410 is #4, which has 9 pellets in a 3in shell.

its the size of a Deeg L5 (not pictured)

>>63971579
I bought a Deagle and a 45-70 BFR from Magnum research, while talking to the MR guy who took my order I tell him I'm also into small game and was thinking about the 410; He tells me he hunts grouse with his 410 BFR, he says because of the choke tube he can get great patterns and hits them at 25 yards

>>63971579
I'm a retard and forgot to ask at what distance do you take game with it? Did you specifically choose a 410 revolver for hunting, or is it something you just carry around with you anyways?

Oh you guys. It's the handgun one shot stop king with the correct ammo.

>>63978578
I 100% got it for grouse/ptarmigan. I keep it in my backpack, even have to dig it out, then I crawl and get as close as I can. Their defense is standing still so I shoot at around 20 - 25 feet. Even when they fly they never go very far.