First Rifle Choice - /k/ (#63969754) [Archived: 399 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:40:11 PM No.63969754
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I know this is probably a retarded spam question but I'm a relative newbie to this. I've shot guns before, a few rifles, pistols, and shotguns but I'm now looking to purchase my own rifle. I've been drawn to semi autos and have been debating between AK and AR-15 style rifles. For AK, I've been leaning towards the Zastava ZPAP M70 and for AR I've been leaning towards the Smith and Wesson M&P 15 Sport or possibly IWI Zion. Could y'all help me on this or possibly recommend alternative semi autos? I'm looking to spend under a grand but I know AKs run expensive right now
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:05:40 PM No.63969867
>>63969754 (OP)
>ANOTHER tranime thread
Mad that you got BTFO in the other threads? Go back you faggot
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:08:22 PM No.63969885
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>>63969867
Anime is 4chan culture, back to plebbit
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:08:57 PM No.63969887
>>63969754 (OP)
I remember being in this position 6 years ago. I went with the M&P 15 Sport 2, and do not regret it.
In 2025 I would go with the IWI or the M70 if you like AKs.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:10:05 PM No.63969894
>>63969867
I have never made a thread on /k/ before or even played melty blood before, just thought the pic was funny and topical, now you got any thoughts on the question I asked?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:18:18 PM No.63969936
Do you hear me, Snake? I am The End. I am here to bring you to your ultimate fate. You will make a fine quarry for my final hunt
>>63969754 (OP)
>I know this is probably a retarded spam question but I'm a relative newbie to this.
TL;DR, also lurk moar.
Ask your dumb questions here.
>>63929821
>>63965973
>>63962136

>I've been leaning towards the Zastava ZPAP
Can't go wrong with that or an Arsenal.
>for AR I've been leaning towards the Smith and Wesson M&P 15 Sport or possibly IWI Zion.
BCM upper + PSA lower is the meta for a reason, you should just do that instead. Also avoid Vortex red dots right now, they've been dying and getting shipped back at extinction levels in the past couple of months similar to the early iteration of the Aimpoint Acros, I forget which model specially but I'm sure someone else knows off the top of there head here..
>I'm looking to spend under a grand but I know AKs run expensive right now
In the AK market you get what you pay for and there's a lot of sub $2000 AK's that are absolute garbage.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:22:14 PM No.63969964
>>63969936
>Also avoid Vortex red dots right now, they've been dying and getting shipped back at extinction levels in the past couple of months
Recently made optics? I got one made in 2023 and it's been working great.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:25:27 PM No.63969974
>>63969964
>I got one made in 2023 and it's been working great.
Nah I think it's been a problem since last April. Keep your Voortex if it's still kickin. Probably just a recent bad batch.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:30:35 PM No.63969988
>>63969974
That's unfortunate; they've been shipping defective products for over a year then. Glad I bought mine when I did.
It's been great on torso-sized steel at 400 yards, even without a magnifier.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:35:29 PM No.63970244
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>>63969754 (OP)
If you can, get both.
if not, get the MP15.
AKs and their ammos becoming crazy expensive because of war in Ukraine.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:54:16 PM No.63970553
>>63969754 (OP)
get an AR
if you get into AKs, you'll regret it, not because they're bad guns, but because you'll want to kill yourself for missing the days when 7.62x39 was .21 cpr, bakelite mags were abundant, and you could get a wasr for like $400
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:55:09 PM No.63970560
>>63970553
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:57:24 PM No.63970571
>>63969754 (OP)
Get the ZPAP. I got my lil bro one for Christmas and he loves it. Yugo pattern aftermarket furniture is easier to get than itโ€™s ever been if thatโ€™s your thing.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:02:19 AM No.63970893
>>63969754 (OP)
If you're in the US then an AR-15 is the best choice for anyone who doesn't feel the need to be a hipster, "I'm different from you because I got a SCAR 16, ZPAP, or a Tavor." If you live in an area where 7.62x39 is plentiful, like Slovakia or the Czech Republic, then an AK is the best choice.

After you have what you need (whichever you decide on and a handgun) then you can focus on what you want (whichever rifle you didn't decide on at first or whatever else type of gun).
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:14:00 AM No.63971188
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>>63969754 (OP)
If you go AR (Which you should)
I have a ZRODELTA Ready 1 and for a sub 700 dollar AR it's pretty nice, comes with a right side bolt release and their customer service has been good. Same company that bought Warsport so they also make a LVOA

If you go AK just get a cheap PSA AK and some ammo, with the money you save you can get a red dot and some wood furniture
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:36:36 AM No.63971236
>>63971188
For AKs it seems like you need to put out at least a grand for quality, the PSA ones seem rickety
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:39:28 AM No.63971497
what skopes have blued finish
what skopes have blued finish
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>>63969754 (OP)
Say fuck it and get this
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:40:31 AM No.63971502
>>63969754 (OP)
wy ar, it's boring as shit
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:58:08 AM No.63971564
>>63969754 (OP)
AR is going to be the easiest and cheapest IMO. I bought a used (M4 style, non-freefloat) AR years ago for about $500 and spent like $400 for a scope, rings, and only very recently, a trigger. Meanwhile, on my AK, I spent around $700-800 a couple years back, plus ~$150 on furniture that wasn't garbage (lol, import plastic crap), and it's nowhere as capable or cheap to shoot. I also should buy a kns adjustable piston as it's overgassed as fuck ($200-250?). Fuck, 7.62x39 is ONLY 4cpr cheaper than 5.7x28. I'm sure you don't know what that means/why that makes me so crazy but that's insane IMO. .223/5.56 is also up in cost but a lot less so (at least 9cpr less than 7.62x39). I love both but there's more than a couple good reasons I bring my AR hunting instead. I love both, though. Also, you should know about ammoseek.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:01:08 AM No.63971572
>>63969754 (OP)
Oh, also keep an eye out for used police AR carbines. They were like $500-600 8 months ago with a fucking EOTech on a Colt (M4 style IIRC?).
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:13:11 AM No.63971610
>>63969936
>BCM upper + PSA lower is the meta for a reason, you should just do that instead.
Would this upper be okay? I have M&P 15 Sport 2, would like to change the upper for it.


Upper:
>https://bkingsfirearms.com/shop/complete-upper-receivers/bkf-ar15-14-5-5-56-nato-1-7-twist-m4-carbine-4150-cmv-complete-upper-receiver/
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:17:29 AM No.63971816
>>63971502
>wy ar, it's boring as shit
People 60 so years ago would argue otherwise when they'd be lucky to get a Bushmaster at the cost of a car before the AWB hit, they're ''boring'' from your perspective because they're common place now.
Personally I like old wood milsurp bolt actions and tacticool amralites all the same.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:30:50 AM No.63971869
feed me sanctioned-priced 7.62x39mm
feed me sanctioned-priced 7.62x39mm
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>>63971610
>Would this upper be okay?
>BKF
I've never heard of that brand so I can't really give my opinion on it, sorry.
>I have M&P 15 Sport 2
That's certainly not anything fancy but they get the job done unless you're mag dumping thousands of rounds a day into tin cans in your backyard.
Also why change the whole upper when you could just get a better barrel and BCG?

Anyway you should ask /ARG/ that question, you'll get a better answers from them.

>>63971564
TL;DR sounds like you'd enjoy shooting your AK if it wasn't cost prohibitive.
>Plastikov
Was the old wood furniture beat to hell that badly?
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:34:55 AM No.63971884
Get a K, no need for GayR
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 5:45:44 AM No.63972083
>>63971869
>TL;DR sounds like you'd enjoy shooting your AK [more than now] if it wasn't cost prohibitive.
Absolutely. But the state I got it in and the current ammo prices make me hesitate to do much with it until I see where the market goes from here, or I get more money/hr. However, even if it were without issue, IMO my AR is absolutely the more useful/capable rifle (accuracy/hunting/aftermarket/etc). Many import AKs are overgassed AFAIK and my AK is no exception; perhaps even an outlier for how extreme its overgassing really is. Not to mention the concern of concentric threads should I silence it unlike most ARs. I have a pso/posp scope on it right now because my AK is mostly for fun, though it could use the same scope as my AR with a side mount to pic adapter. Ammo is also retarded ATM. AK, you no longer have good Russian ammo, mostly surplus at 2-3x what it used to be (often corrosive) or Turkish at 2-3x what it used to be.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 5:52:29 AM No.63972095
>>63971869 (cont.)
>Was the old wood furniture beat to hell that badly?
The opposite, kinda. The plastic furniture wasrs get sold with is kinda crap. IMO the stock is way too long, so most buy surplus Romanian, which has increased in price a lot over the past 15 years (especially the dong!). Ironically, now that I have the pso scope, I need a slip-on rubber buttpad to extend the LOP. AK furniture often also needs a rubber mallet to remove it, lol. And compatibility is often case-by-case; for example, my wasr tang is different enough from Chinese, it won't fit Chinese furniture (that I tried). Even known compatible furniture may need minor fitting using sandpaper or a file. Both rifles can be pieced together with surplus furniture/parts, etc. to look how you want (ie. like a military rifle from a specific year and country or to function/handle how you want) but that's preference. Price, availability, aftermarket, and usefulness, I'd argue, go to the AR, though. When I bought my AR years ago, I was choosing between it and a wasr. My only regret is that I missed out on a couple years of cheap AK stuff and I didn't stack enough x39 as I wanted while it was cheap. I chose practical instead of fun despite wanting to go the other way, which I believe was the right choice at that time. I did have an sks to fill that void (and force me to buy cheap Wolf 7.62x39) later, however.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 6:05:00 AM No.63972118
>>63971869
Not to mention that while it's maybe an overused phrase now, we are absolutely in a golden age for (base model) AR prices, albeit maybe starting to go a little past it (not sure what effect accounting for inflation would have comparing now to ~2016-2017 when I remember prices really dropping hard).
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:49:14 PM No.63973227
>>63969754 (OP)
zastavas arent imported anymore now so if you find one, it may be worth grabbing just because of that
an AR is a better choice though, they run better, are lighter, shoot better, less recoil, parts are everywhere, and ammo is cheaper
id recommend a 10/22 and get a scope & red dot too
shoot the 10/22 and get basic marksmanship skill down, git good with irons, the red dot, and a scope and then after you do this, you will have a better idea of what you want to get
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:35:22 PM No.63973369
If youโ€™re poor: get an AR
If youโ€™re not: get an AK
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 6:20:51 PM No.63973914
>>63970571
Based brother. Wish I could gift my brother a gun
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 6:24:08 PM No.63973924
>>63969754 (OP)
Do you want to shoot a lot of ammo with it or treat it as a safe queen? If youโ€™re planning under a grand just get an AR. Ak food is expensive and will only go up in price more. For a grand you could get a PSA Freedom AR and some ammo. My first rifle was a H&R A2 Upper and a PSA A2 lower that cost just under a grand. Definitely recommend ponying up a bit more for an upper. Highly recommend a 20โ€ barrel
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:41:16 PM No.63974599
>>63973227
>id recommend a 10/22 and get a scope & red dot too
>shoot the 10/22 and get basic marksmanship skill down, git good with irons, the red dot, and a scope and then after you do this, you will have a better idea of what you want to get
Not to mention the ammo is stupid cheap. Depends on how much experience anon has and how much he wants to shoot 22LR but I love having the option. Super cheap to shoot and improve your skills even when you might want to either save some $ or slow down how much you're going through your 5.56/7.62. Also you can practice your drop and wind adjustments at much shorter distances.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:44:35 PM No.63974610
>>63969754 (OP)
If you want to plink get a Ruger 10/22. If you want to eventually maybe shoot ducks and have some ok home defense get an 870 or a Mossberg 500. Or just get an AR-15 from Palmetto and fuck around with that. Change the upper, convert it into 9mm if you get bored whatever.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:15:28 AM No.63975112
>>63969936
>BCM
Tranny brand, cant convince me otherwise