ITT: failed military bids we wish succeeded

>>63970090 (OP)

Too late and a bit rubbish, but god damn if it wouldn't have been the most sexy plane in the sky

>>63970090 (OP)
Admittedly the company had plenty of issues so dunno how that would have turned out but the design was unironically the superior approach vs the F-22. Dogfighting ended up even more a meme then we all thought it would be.

>>63970090 (OP)

I just think they look neat.

I guess technically it only counts as a study not a formal bid despite working nuclear engines getting produced but god I wish we'd somehow pursued the 1201 would have been so fucking awesome.

>>63970361

>>63970474
YF-23 if it was given 1 more week

>>63970482
@grok is this true?

>>63970474
I'm really not sure wtf you're on about with that meme image:
>it's not faster
It supercruised, in flight, at mach 1.72. That was in fact faster then the YF-22 ever did (albeit not massively). Top speed was classified.
>not stealthier
The only credible sources I've seen said it was. Sarcasmtexting it isn't a source.
>not more range
Combat range of both was stated to be the same, so sure. They claimed an extra 20% non-combat range which might have been useful sometimes.
>radar
Both the YF-23 and YF-22 literally used the exact same AN/APG-77 unit you fucking retard.

Just look at its face!

>>63970090 (OP)
Really liked the Scorpion desu, especially if it was equipped with a massive sensor suite (the Scorpion has been successfully integrated with the Thales I-Master radar and the AgilePod, the latter of which was fitted in a single week thanks to the Scorp's open architecture). Not because it would offer any significant strategic or tactical advantage, but because I would like to be the WSO and stalk and blow up third worlders from the comfort of me and my buddy's babby strike jet. It's the ideal APKWS II delivery vehicle, too.

https://www.thalesdsi.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/I-Master-GMTI-SAR-Radar-092015.pdf
https://www.twz.com/17352/usaf-uses-textrons-scorpion-jet-as-the-latest-testbed-for-its-modular-sensor-pod

>>63970621
>Scorpion N534TX loaded with two GBU-12 laser-guided bombs, two 2.75-inch rocket pods, a Wescam MX-15 multi-spectral sensor turret fitted to the retractable camera mount under the nose and a MX-25 sensor turret fitted to the aft payload bay.

>>63970621
>>63970655
It would be a 10/10 plane for total cartel death. Sadly, our glowniggers fund that industry and would never destroy it.

Admittedly I've got an extra soft spot because I read the fuck out of the Wingman novels as a kid (which I probably shouldn't have been doing, they were way too adult for my age, with graphic rape etc.) but it was a pretty damn good plane by all accounts and only lost because the F-15E was a cheaper and faster solution.

Imagine what this would have become today if it had been adopted.

I always preferred the skinnier older sister over the chubbier younger one

>we could have been in the time line when the F14 got a real successor

caseless ammunition

In some timeline we got this but not the Apache. Then the Comanche came in to assist in modern combat. By this point we'd be shopping for a Cheyenne replacement.

>>63970090 (OP)
I wish we had gotten to see what the Block III Abrams would have looked like

>>63970090 (OP)
>Remember what (((Robert McNamara))) took from you

>>63970714
honestly? A worse Abrams with a janky drivers seat in the turret and a weird 152mm gun/launcher that would probably just be replaced by the rheinmetal 120 eventually anyways

MBT70 was cool for it's era but like the Avro Arrow would've been kept in service well past it's expiry date and run into the ground

>>63970391
:'(

It would sell like hard candy as a commercial freighter.

>>63971970
YC-15 was better.

>>63970090 (OP)

>>63971545
My dad worked on that at Boeing in the early '60s. After he died I found a bunch of info in a box.

>>63972162
Can you post some?

>>63970621
>>63970655
Weaponized Cessna Citation was too good for this world, Civil Air Patrol could've been a relevant auxiliary force for the first time in decades.

>>63972219
>relevant
>auxiliary
in this modern era where you need the permission of hundreds of people and thousands of pages of legal paperwork to do anything, you can only choose one.

>>63972310
I know - it doesn't have to be that way; irrelevance and decay is a choice. The CAP was founded for the same purpose as the CMP, which will at least mail a semiautomatic rifle to your home; CAP's equivalent training tool is nowhere to be seen.

>>63970668
Should've accepted it anyway, since it's a great plane to sell to militaries wanting a single-burner.

>>63970090 (OP)
These would make great drone controllers and data link repeaters.

>>63970542

>>63972732
so based

>>63970289
Derived from j7w shinden?
Somehow they managed to make it look worse even though it's newer and probably better.

>>63971545
insane how pretty much all of the technology invented in the x-20 & MOL programs became the base of post-apollo manned spaceflight in america

This thing needs a revival. A different chassis, maybe wheeled with an OSU-35K derivative and an ability to work in network.

The Nanchang J-12 was the domestically designed competitor to the Chengdu J-7 which was inferior to the Soviet licence built fighter although the J-12 was designed to be more 'rugged' and simple

>>63970542
I wish I lived in the timeline where the First World is operating this stupid thing

>>63970668
It's cool but the F-15E is cooler and shits on it in every way

>>63973348
The F-32 production model is in Nuclear Option as the FS-20, albeit with an F-35 style lift fan.

>>63972174
I will next time I find it. It's in a box somewhere.

This is what the Tomcat beat out.

>>63974073
Those downward stabilizers look like a shark's double dicks.

>>63972879
It's older than the Shinden, and both are completely independent designs. Xp-55 first flew in 1943, Shinden's first flight was literally 3 days before Hiroshima was nuked.

Sexy beast

>>63973348
You wouldn't even have gotten that, the model submitted for testing was intended as a demonstrator of concepts that they'd implement in the final design.
>couldn't even achieve the minimum design requirements
>meanwhile X-35 demonstrated them all and even ones not required

The F-117N Navalized Nighthawk, which would've been an actual fighter btw. Sorry, but no pics right now due to tablet-posting.

>>63974073

>>63974081
They're called claspers on a shark, ventral fins on a plane, and beautiful in my heart.

A lot of Convair designs.

>>63974561

>>63974566

>>63974570

>>63974571

The A-10 beat out this guy.

>The creator of DOOM thought this was a good idea

50mm autocannon....
if only

>>63971577
*its

VGGGHHH... WHAT COVLD HAVE BEEN... THE TOMCAT KILLER

The Mirage 4000 lost a Saudi tender to the fuckin Panavia Tornado, we lost our chance at the frog-eagle

>>63971157
The Airforce didn't like it because it was too cool for the Army.
The Army wouldn't let the Airforce have it because rotary.

Life sucks sometimes.

>>63971157
>Cheyenne was the favorite to win, but industry insiders supposedly forced such extreme testings that the inevitable death of its test pilot tanked the appeal of Lockheed's proposal
Fuck Boeing

>>63975133
>The Mirage 4000 lost a Saudi tender to the fuckin Panavia Tornado
The Saudis always pick the bong-backed option, because bongs offer them mercenary pilots to go with the aircraft (the Saudis just have to pay their salaries, the bongs do all the recruitment work, training, and other admin stuff). Had they picked the Mirage, they would've had to source the pilots themselves.
Remember that Saudis are a bunch of lazy retarded sandnigs who literally can't do anything right, and foreign mercs are extremely important for their military.

>>63974584
The two prototypes eventually donated their engines to create this fella.

>we didn't get a fleet of 'em
sad.

>>63976252

Is she safe?

>>63976344
Anon, I...

>>63976344
Probably hasn't flown in years.

>>63976344
The situation is less than ideal.

>>63970090 (OP)
Imagine the lawsuits we could of gotten if this bad boy was deployed during Desert Storm

>>63974584
Looks like a Frogfoot.

Scorpion was a cutie, still not sure how well armed it ever could have been with those tiny engines though.

>>63976252
>>63976257
I still blame Lockheeb for this.

>>63970521
>it's faster
actually it's not because it was incapable of flying in a straight line and even years of fucking with the fly-by-wire system did not manage to fix that
>The only credible sources I've seen said it was.
then they weren't credible
shit had exposed turbine blades just like the Su-57 lmfao

>>63975133
No shit, the engines were dogwater and dragged the whole plane down. Also French only armament.

>>63971030
I really wish this came into fruition. Little mini phantom

>>63975135
The airforce is so fucking gay. It boils my blood that one of the first things they did as a service was try to snub the navy of it's carriers.
>>63971527
>>63971157
We were robbed
>>63974595
At least this was basically a scene in for all mankind.

>>63970090 (OP)

>>63980123
The less comic book designs were cooler. Pic not related.

>>63980137
Apparently the rotor tip jets were annoying.
So want but there is so little left it would be easier to make your own.

>>63980155
>waagh!
>I don't want civilian, logistical, and military air travel to be faster, more cost effective, and cooler!
>It hurts my little ear holes!!!!!!!!!
>WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF MUH CHILLUNS!!!!!!!!!
Why do we listen to people like that again?

Also
>Deletes entire industrial district and makes the area geologically unsafe/uninhabitable for the foreseeable future with a single bomb
>"Nothing personal, kiddo"

>>63970355
>F4H-1 mockup
>>63971030
>F3H-G/H mockup before redesign to F4H
>>63979899
>same F3H-G/H mockup
You fucking retards, these all entered service, it's the F-4 Phantom II.

>>63970090 (OP)
>>63970621
Why did it lose to the T-7?

>>63976467
>Hydrazine
Dios mio.

>>63970090 (OP)
Anyone want to try a flechette gun?

>>63976467
>>63980880
Now imagine if they used T-stoff and C-stoff instead of a monopropellant.

>>63970361
>>63970391
>>63970542
>>63970668
>>63976344

VOTE FOR 8 YOU MOST WISH WENT INTO PRODUCTION / ENTERED SERVICE?
https://strawpoll.com/Q0Zp7NqLJgM

>>63980838
They're not even in the same ballpark. The Scorpion is a slow straight wing that flies almost exactly like a personal jet, while the T-7 is a transonic swept wing with LEXes and an 8g limit.

>>63980961
Straight hydrazine is honestly scarier. T-stoff is just high concentration hydrogen peroxide while C-stoff is 57/30 methanol and hydrazine. Those other things make it energetic, but hydrazine is wildly toxic in even small amounts. Firing cartridges of the stuff next to your face is going to expose you to all sorts of fumes. The EPU on the F-16 regularly sends people to hospital when it leaks hydrazine fuel and they aren't even able to maintain it without sending it to a specialized facilities.

>>63972769
I chortled

>>63980190
Sir Barnes Wallace was on the mad scientist side of intelligent.
So very glad he got to work with the war office rather than being cooped up in a garden shed like so many British inventors lol.

>>63981572
>Grand Slam
Still possibly the best name given to a military anything. Can you imagine what would have happened if Barnes Wallis had just been allowed to cook?

Also, see you, Space cowboy.

>>63981233
XF-108 is a fucking semen demon, I almost posted that but figured it didn't count since there was never even a flying prototype. It looks like something that belongs in an anime from back when anime was good.

>>63970482
>This is what the PALA actually believes
Cool bro the scimitar is already in terminal guidance

>>63976344

>>63981572
>>63981910
I think he suggested putting rocket assisted tallboys on the shelved Lion Class when they were considering post-war if they were to build a new battleship what could they put on it to make it viable?

>>63982452
>rocket assisted tallboys
>As a primary weapon for a new (but inevitably cancelled) Royal Navy battleship class
I think the only way to make that more British would be to make it a 2400kg HESH warhead.

>>63982452
I know what the Tallboy in question is, but I still can't stop imagining ballistic beer delivery.

>>63975133
What did you expect? The Tornado was better under every metric

>>63982632
Give it time I think someone will dig an archive out somewhere where this was probably was proposed.
Brits seemed like they were designing weapons to get into a naval gunfight with Cthulhu and win.

>>63976467

>Hit someone with butt of rifle.
>We both die horribly.

>>63982693
>Brits seemed like they were designing weapons to get into a naval gunfight with Cthulhu and win
There's weird stuff in the North Atlantic Anon, you've got to be ready.

>>63974055
I have something for you in return

>>63982782
>these elder gods are so inept, they nearly take all the honour out of victory!

>>63982796
I mean, if any country's navy had spent enough time out in the more remote parts of the oceans to actually find Deep Ones, Elder Gods, or XCOM Terror From the Deep tier gribblies, it would kind of have to be the Royal Navy.

>>63982807
Might explain the current state of their navy despite all the money they piss away. It turns out they are secretly locked in an eternal naval battle with creatures beyond our comprehension. Sort of like Stargate but with more tea.

>>63978696
>source: your seething ass
lmao

>>63982875
>Sort of like Stargate but with more tea.
I'm pretty sure that a British lead Stargate program would have run out of funding before the end of the first episode, been accidentally leaked to the press by the end of the second episode (one of the SGC staff accidentally left a briefcase containing clear summaries of the entire project along with a vast amount of corroborating evidence on the train while commuting home from the office), and the SGC would be swamped with large numbers of protestors demanding that the government stop its 'unprovoked' and 'imperialistic' campaign against the 'peaceful' Goa'uld.

>>63982875
Not to worry. The longstanding Benthic Treaties with codename BLUE HADES ensures peace between our peoples. It's codename DEEP SEVEN we need to worry about.

>seeing all of these cancelled wonderful machines while going on a foul smelling bus to the office whichis in charge of some bitchy karen
What happened bros? How did we end on this clown world timeline? Can we still get ww3 so we can reset it all?

>>63982922
You don't know what is the basement of the British museum anon!

Always liked the alien look of the Darkstar.

>>63970289
The XP-55 Ass-Ender... I mean "Ascender"

>>63970361
>>63970482
It would be fascinating to see the changes an F-23 would go through, compared to the YF-23. The F-22 is a much different plane than the YF-22, so seeing the -23 get a production version would be interesting.

>>63971048
Making an F-22 with swing wings would be nearly a ground-up redesign of the aircraft, just to have swing-wings. If anything, they'd have fixed, but folding wings for carrier ops.

>>63970542
>>63972769
That thing was too ugly for this world. They couldn't design a plane that looked like an A-7 anymore when the XF-35 was cooler looking.

>>63973055
I always wondered if anybody who knew how did Radar Cross-Section calculations on this model, or some of the Testor's kits. Would they have really been stealthy?

>>63970495
This video was filmed minutes before the plane sodomized Will Stancil. It appears to be true

>>63970773
You want skinny? I'll show you skinny.

>>63972310
>>63972525
All the CAP guys I know like to sit around circle jerk about their ham setups, their exercises, or conversationally rape anyone within earshot about their "important mission".
Last CAP flight I heard about was just damage surveying for tornadoes out in mississippi this year. Anything else? Literally NG.

>>63976252
>>63976257
Honestly I don't like it. Always thought it looked dumb but not in a cool way. Plus seeing where bombers went it was a dead end. Now the armed SR-71 was a true tragedy

>>63980190
What in the crimson skies is this

>>63974547
I gotcha.

>>63984790
Barnes Wallis really bought into the idea that strategic bombing could win wars without a single soldier needing to leave camp. When the war first broke out he came to the RAF with a proposal for his first concept of the 'Earthquake Bomb'. The plan was fairly simple: A ten ton explosive charge, wrapped in an aerodynamic and armor piercing casing - dropped from a high enough altitude that the bomb would break the sound-barrier before it hit the ground, meaning that it could bury itself deep in the bedrock before detonation, creating an artificial cavern deep below the earth - turning everything within about a mile and half of the impact point into a geologically unstable 'no go zone' that would be unsafe until somebody actually dug down to the cavern and filled it in with something strong enough to take the weight of the tens of thousands of tons of earth and rock above it.

When he presented his plan to the RAF they told him that no plane on earth could carry a bomb that large, especially not to the altitude required for his plan to work. So he went home, pulled a few all-nighters, and came back with a design for a plane that could. I can't confirm that it's the very first iteration of the idea, but in 1939 it's one of the earliest proposals for a fully sealed and pressurized crew compartment that I've found so far. Unfortunately the RAF decided that, as there was a war on and everything, the resources needed for that project would be better spent on proven designs that were needed and would definitely actually work. So the idea got shit-canned and Barnes Wallis had to make a smaller version of his earthquake-bomb that 'only' weighed about 10 tons.

If he'd gotten his way squadrons of his bombers would have been able to delete entire cities in a single raid (assuming sensible distribution of targets and relatively accurate bombing) and large chunks of Europe would probably still be uninhabitable today.
>tl;dr - Barnes Wallis was a real life Mad Scientist

>>63984850
apologies, correction needed
>the plan was fairly simple, a hundred ton explosive charge . . .

>>63984850
>If he'd gotten his way squadrons of his bombers would have been able to delete entire cities in a single raid (assuming sensible distribution of targets and relatively accurate bombing) and large chunks of Europe would probably still be uninhabitable today.
I wonder what his conversations with Harris were like?

>>63985051
>GERMANIA
>DELENDA
>EST

>>63982641
I wonder how fast a APDS solid tungsten/DU beer can could go if launched from a 18" gun? Or how many tallboy's would fit in a 18" canister shot

>>63971048
the humble b1 lancer:

>>63985051
Aside from the memes probably incredibly technically focused to the point that they wouldn't make much sense to a person without their training and experience. That being said though, imagine a WWII where the RAF and USAAF were given carte-blanche to do whatever they wanted, and had all the resources they needed to get it done - round the clock bombing operations all across occupied Europe with British and American built versions of Harris's Victory class bomber/the bomb it was built around running on a schedule set (and pared down to fractions of a second) by Curtis LeMay.
>Germania Delenda Est

>>63984739
It's the large, forward canards.
Makes it look kinda dumpy, kinda like its nickname would've been dumbo.
Compare the Concorde with the Soviet knockoff. You see the same thing.

>>63986521
He seemed like he wanted to crash the Reich, with no survivors!

>>63987385
He just wanted to end the war as quickly as possible with the lowest cost in human lives. The guys who wanted to crash the Reich with no survivors were the team behind Operation Vegetarian.

>>63987592
>Operation Vegetarian
Have you ever been so pissed at government negligence and neglect that you dropped unsubtle hints about biowarfare and demonstrated possession of the means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Harvest_Commando

Does anyone have the plans for the US Ultracarrier that would have displaced 500kt?
It was only about 50% more carrier, the rest was armour.

>>63984739
The shame is that the prototype that got destroyed was the second one, which fixed most of the issues of the first one. Had it survived, it would probably have remained a NASA test bed for decades.

>>63980880
>>63980961
>>63981315
What gets me about the concept was that it came out during the 80’s, you’d think it was some lunacy from the 50’s-60’s?

>>63989126
Fucking based

1/2 cargo weight but a few more troops than Osprey, but 100mph faster and 3800 vs 2222 mile ferry range.

at 430mph could refuel with 707, or refuel supersonic fighters. can land conventionally if VTOL or STOL tilt became a problem.

cancelled just before 'Nam.

>>63989126
>>63990073
Biological warfare is genuinely fucking terrifying once you start thinking about it, and I am incredibly glad that nukes took the spot of 'WMD of choice' and the funding that came with that. Imagining artificial/lab-grown viruses made with the same funding, expertise, and dedication that the nuclear powers put into their bombs should make you piss yourself, at least a little bit.

Operation Vegetarian is a perfect example of why, Epidemiologists/Infectious Disease specialists who looked at the plans after they were declassified were convinced that it would have lead to the vast majority of mainland Europe (along with a decent chunk of West Asia and North Africa at least) being biologically 'hot' for the foreseeable future and completely uninhabitable, and projected a death toll that would be somewhere above 100 million making it possibly (hopefully) the single deadliest act in human history.

>>63970289
Isn't the main issue with "push" propelled aircraft that the propeller hits low density air above the plane and then high density bellow the plane?

>>63970482
Is this real???

>>63989126
>>63990465
the "we will fuck our enemies, our allies and our selves" option that considering it was given serious consideration should tell you all you need to know about trusting the bongs

>>63991351
At that point, after Dunkirk, and considering that Britain was expecting an invasion that they thought would be a basically irresistible force any day now it was much more along the lines of "If you kill me I'm going to make sure you don't get to enjoy it" option.

>>63973055
>>63983939
It looks a lot like the description of the "Frisbees of Dreamland" from Red Storm Rising. It was described as having gentle flowing curves which made it stealthier from above than below.

>>63991351
Which colony are you from?

>>63980137
>>63980155
god the Rotodyne had so much potential. Why hasn't anyone tried this concept again?

>this made ground crew wagies cry, puke, shit their pants, pass out and have seizures with the sheer force of its supersonic prop wash
>also caused severe damage to the equipment in air traffic control towers
Clean it up, wagie!

>>63991725
>Waaaaagh! My poor little ear holes!
>THINK UV MA CHILLUNS
There you go Anon, that's the entire reason.

>>63991949
The original (and still best) autistic screeching.

>>63970090 (OP)
>40 tons
>autoloading 105
>fast as fuck boiii
>shares parts with the Bradley and HEMTT
all this 25+ years before we got the ztq-15, type-10, m10 booker

The stol/mtd is the best looking f15.

>>63992788
>HSTVL and RDFLT too expensive, canned
>M8 too expensive, canned
>M10 too expensive, only 80 procured
>stryker MGS too expensive and complicated, retired
how would one design a light tank that meets all the wunderwaffe requirements of the US army while somehow being cheap?

To my knowledge, they have not put this into a video game yet.

We could have hyuge chinooks by now. HYUGE.

>>63992921
Bignooks?

>>63992921
Admittedly it was more of a research platform/test bed, but I'd love to see what a Mach 3 interceptor made from weaponised versions of them, along with comparable performance bombers and recon aircraft like the Avro 730 would have meant for 1950's vintage Cold War bombing and nuclear strategy.

>>63993038

>>63990465
I do wonder, how were there no incidents of seabirds transport Anthrax spores to the mainland?
Also for as retarded as this whole fiasco was it still pales in comparison to the Soviets bioweapon projects, Jesus wept we dodged a lot of bullets with that one.

>>63991509
>Those bottom lenses
>Your Flesh is a Relic, MiG
>>63992915
Add SRBs so it can get back in a Karman line orbit towards home/friendly airfield and it might be viable for blitzes.

>>63990465
You wanna hear the best part: Dr. Banting, of insulin fame, was one of the foremost anthrax researchers in the 30s until he died in a plane crash in Gander.

>>63993054
>Also for as retarded as this whole fiasco was it still pales in comparison to the Soviets bioweapon projects
If I were playing the Paradox 20th century grand strategy as Soviet faction, I'd have an experimental pipeline that goes
>bioweapons test
>chemical weapons test
>surface nuke test
All in the same place.

The chemicals will sterilise the plagues and the nuke will atomise the chemicals as plasma.
Then you only need to deal with the fallout and radioactivity, which you were going to have to do anyway.

>>63970090 (OP)
Vought XF8U-3 Super Crusader. Top speed was potentially MACH 3, but the Lexan canopy started to melt at MACH 2.8. The Navy wanted a two seat twin engine design for their new fleet defender and chose the F4 Phantom II. The three XF8U-3 prototypes were turned over to NASA for high speed research. NASA Super Crusader piliot were forbidden from challenging Navy pilots to mock dogfights because apparently the XF8U-3s were wiped the floor with the Phantoms and it was "bad for morale."

>>63980190
>waaagh, it hurts my little ear holes!!!!!!!

>>63993907
>pictured with ram air turbine and landing gear deployed, as they almost always were, because the thing was also constantly destroying itself with its supersonic shockwaves and pilots expected it to die at any given moment

>>63994151
>You're not strong enough, and there's not enough of you to get me back into that thing.

>>63970668

>>63980137
>>63980155
So I want to use Rotodynes in my post apocalyptic setting I'm working on. And I was wondering. for the two prop engines if you redesigned it so that you could redirect the exhaust from them into a simple turbine design at the base of the larger propeller base just to spin it enough so that you don't have to use the jet tips, would it be possible? Or would it be better to just have a compressor built into two engines to push compressed air into a similar system?

>>63993054
>Soviets bioweapon projects
I'm not familiar with those, how bad are we talking?

>>63994398
human-gorilla hybrid soldiers

>>63994422
Nice digits, but come on, be serious. What was Ivan actually trying to do?

"Do you want to install the engine at the front or in the rear?"
"Yes"

>>63994424
Trust the digits and go to Google.
There's various sacrificial zones in the far eastern breakaways though.

>>63994427
soul

Skybolt would have been cool. Blue Steel was more in the category of "this should never been made but somehow was operational".

>A high test peroxide and kerosene propellant that had to be carefully purged before fueling to avoid a massive hypergolic fire.
>In wartime this would be done by some national service conscript on the apron of a tiny dispersal airfield.
>Fitted with a nuclear warhead with no PALs that we know with some certainty would have detonated if set on fire.
>Was designed with just enough fuel to be punted over the heads of the nuclear tipped SA-2s protecting Leningrad.

>its a Northrop gets cucked again episode

>>63972002
Would a .22 actually have the stopping power? Or is this a spray and prey weapon?

>>63994398
>I'm not familiar with those, how bad are we talking?

I assume that anon is talking about Aralsk-7. They accidentally released weaponized smallpox in 1971 that led to Aralsk being quarantined until it burned out. That's just a side story since most people know it because the soviets peaced out in 1991 without destroying their samples and also the possible but not proven theory that they dumped barrels of weaponized anthrax in the Aral Sea that is now completely dried up and the silt eroding meaning they could be uncovered.

Frankly that's just another Tuesday in the USSR like the Mayak incident that released a 300km long cloud of plutonium across southern Russia and gave Chelyabinsk its current rep as a radioactive hellhole.

>>63994424
Trying to make Russians more Human.

>>63994505

oh yeah also in 1979 68-105 people died in an Anthrax outbreak around Sverdlovsk where the soviets had another bio-weapons facility. The official soviet account was it was normal bovine exposure that caused it.

>>63994524
>>63994505
>>63994517
>The concept of a "Soviet gorilla hybrid" is often linked to the controversial experiments conducted by Russian biologist Ilya Ivanov in the 1920s, who attempted to create human-ape hybrids through artificial insemination. While the term "gorilla hybrid" is not explicitly mentioned in the context, Ivanov's work involved various primates, including chimpanzees and gorillas, and was sometimes associated with Soviet efforts to create a "super warrior" or "ape-man".
>However, these experiments were largely unsuccessful and did not result in any viable hybrids.
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
OK
. . .
What the actual fuck? Did the Soviets think that we're living in a comic book or something?

Also 'LARGELY unsuccessful' is a worrying choice of phrases by the AI summary there.

>>63994543
Where did you think chechens came from?

Autoloaded 140mm main gun with an expected muzzle velocity of double that of the Rheinmetall 120mm L/44 and a Bofors 40mm for AA/Anti-infantry use.
Lost out to the Leo2 that would become the Strv-122

>>63994543
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee#Reports_of_attempted_hybridization

SAAB-36 Vargen, proposed swedish nuclear strike bomber. Meant to chuck 800kg freefall nukes at the soviet baltic ports in case of cold war gone hot.

>>63994598
Only got to wind tunnel testing before being cancelled due to budgetary constraints. Modifying existing SAAB 32 Lansen for nuclear capability was proposed as the secondary option but sweden cancelled the nuclear program before that was implemented

>>63994543

There were so many wacky accidents in the soviet union you can't even get shocked by them. An Echo class submarine exploding because nuclear engineers went for vodka mid reactor refuelling? A commie bloc with Ceisum-137 in the walls? a dude sticking his head inside an active particle accelerator? accidentally creating a forever burning hole in the ground in Turkmenistan?

The 1971 Aralsk incident was notable because those exposed (an airburst Smallpox test on animals was blown into a research trawler 15km away) were inoculated for both natural strains of Smallpox as was common back then but they got smallpox and died anyway proving it was a weaponized strain.

>>63974474
Would

>>63974817
Strap in and feel the g's

project pluto

>>63994598
Looks like a cut unit from C&C?

The Hawker P.1081 lost out in Australia to surplus Meteors.

>>63991066
So? That just builds character

>>63985390
Don't know but would have wanted to see what would have happened with the 20" gun?

>>63974595
He didnt create shit, he is just an ok coder who poses as a genius just because he coded a few scaling routines in the early 90s. Certified grifter.

>>63991066
That's just for wing mounted pusher propellers, fuselage mounted ones don't feel the effect much.

The bigger problem was always noise.

>>63994502
2009 Fort Hood mass shooting. Was a Five-Seven, so even worse ballistics. 13 dead, 30 wounded, 214 rounds fired, but the attacker was spraying wildly according to witnesses.
So yes .22 SCAMP would be pretty lethal.

>>63971082
I will never forgiven the NGSW program for innovating on literally nothing. Even textrons CT ammo would have been an improvement

>>63973029
Just buy some Gepard's you stupid Slavic retard. Or Biho's, I guess, since you like kimchi dick so much. Those already look like they're on Slavshit chassis.

>>63992921
>Chinook
>Jawook
>Entireskullook

>>63994502
You know 5.56mm is a .22 caliber round? .22 doesn't automatically mean .22lr

>>63995299
I've never heard of that shooting before. Really shows how lethal the Five-Seven is.

>>63970090 (OP)
retarded lopsided ares for me

>>63992788
absolute favourite tank OAT

>>63994268
Having two turboprop, four jet engines and a helicopter rotor/drivetrain to maintain for a single airframe must be pretty fun in the post apocalypse

imagine

this thing shares a direct evolutionary line to the AIM-26 Falcon btw

>>63989193

>>63976252
I need to get to the USAF museum to see the other one

>>63995641
and considering that even under ideal storage conditions jet fuel is useless after about 2 years he'll have even more fun fueling it. The chassis might make for a fun starting point for a post-apocalyptic cabin though.

>>63994924
Project Pluto didn't fail. It succeeded too much for this gay earth. The only cold war weapon ever cancelled for being too real.

Apart from, maybe, some chemical and biological weapons we were never told about. But the most overpowered possibilities never even begin weaponization efforts.

>>63995380
What .22 kills feral pigeon?

What could go wrong???

>>63994598
>proposed swedish nuclear strike bomber
Is Sweden pulling an Israel?

>>63995230
>he is just an ok coder who poses as a genius just because he coded a few scaling routines in the early 90s
If you're besmirching Carmak's name, you need to go home and rethink your life.

>>63995868
Thanks anon.

1957 was the worst year for British aviation in history

THEY WERE ALMOST DONE THE PROTOTYPE! If the UK hadn't been fucking retards and shot themselves in the foot, they would still have an aviation industry! The Hawker P.1121 was going to be comparable to the F-4 Phantom II and they just took it out behind the shed and killed it.

>>63997271
>The 1957 Defence Spending Review and following Defence White Paper were both catastrophic for aviation and humanity
>They were almost as bad as the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act of 1977
FTFY Anon.

rods from god seemed pretty cool although I get that they were super expensive. no nuclear fallout though so the world will get less mad at you for using them

>>63970542
>>63972769
He cute

>>63994398
>Faced with the imminent dissolution of the USSR, the Soviet military authorities held a meeting in November 1991 at the USSR Ministry of Defence's Virology Centre in Zagorsk to discuss the fate of Aralsk-7.

>Here the decision was taken to terminate experimental work on the island, and by late April 1992, all military units had been evacuated from the base.

>All people who lived on Vozrozhdeniya Island were evacuated within several weeks; civil and military infrastructure was abandoned, and Kantubek became a ghost town.

>Many of the containers holding biological agents were not properly stored or destroyed, and over the last decade, many of these containers have developed leaks.
>>63994543
how do you think they created monke?

>>63998762
>This plane that never flew was totally going to be super successful!
You sound like a Canadian babbling about the avro arrow. It's vaporware and any promises of what it *might* have done are just you uncritically buying into decades old marketing.
>but they would've, could've, and should've done this, that, and the other
They didn't because they couldn't.

>>63999676
They'd be so heavy that they'd be a bitch to get into orbit in the first place. You'd need at least 1 rocket launch up for each Rod, or send them up in pieces and build them in space. It would take several vastly expensive missions to get them up there in the first place. Once you got everything up there, the satellite would be easily tracked and probably countered by any kind of anti-satellite technology. Even then, you'd have to wait until it followed its pre-programmed course to get over the target to drop. Maybe you could include some thrusters to adjust course, but it wouldn't be any kind of "instant kill." An ICBM or SLBM would do the same thing in 30 minutes or less, anywhere on the globe, at a moment's notice. Modern thermonuclear weapons don't have the same radiation effects the old fission bombs did, so the radioactive fallout risk is reduced.

>>64001519
What do you need to shoot down a satellite? If it's practically restricted to the borders of your country, then having 2-3 satellites armed with nuclear weapons would guarantee that the enemy cant disable your nukes at the same time, even if they somehow got all your subs, silos and aircraft too.

>>64001606
you can't restrict a satellite's orbit to the borders of your country lol... but there's a treaty restricting putting nukes in space. rods from god are as powerful as nukes but would be legal, just really expensive

>>64001519
they're not a practical weapon to launch and use, they're the sort of thing that a spacefaring civilization doing their mining, refining and manufacturing from asteroids would use to threaten a planet.

>>64001793
Dude, putting anything in space is retardedly expensive. The bastards at the Pentagon destroyed the career and dreams of the man who could have changed that, and Mossad killed his body a few years later.

>>63991949

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>63991949
>>63992377
>>64004019
Didn't this supposedly also cause a miscarriage?

>>63974571
That thing flies like absolute shit.

>>63970714
Motion sickness for days

>>63970414

The advantage of an aircraft carrier is that it plays on the ambiguity of the will to attack or not and that it gives the enemy time to think twice before doing so, if an aircraft like that enters enemy territory it will be shot down before having traveled 100km

>>64007619
Weird thing is the concept of a flying aircraft carrier actually did work successfully in WW2.

>>64007533
I wonder what the timeline would have been like if the Washington Naval Treaty wasn't a thing?

>>63970542
Imagine your enemies getting killed by that thing.

Imagine.

>>64007630

because at the time it was common to have huge formations of several dozen or even hundreds of planes, it was probably not even the priority target

>>63970090 (OP)
I know that it probably wouldn’t save our combat aero-industry but God dam would the CAC CA-23 have fucked, we were denied Kino of seeing them rape Mig’s above Vietnam.

>>63984850
>Barnes Wallis
Weird spelling, but then again, that's the Brits for you, I guess.

>>63992915
Isn’t this how the Russians got their jets over the US in MW2?

>>64008069
It would be more believable than the fleet of carriers they'd have needed for that scenario.

>>63974571
>>63974570
Imagine an I-400 inspired submarine capable of launching a wing of Sea Darts
>surface behind the cover of a cliff or outcropping
>deploy sea darts
>first radar contact the enemy sees is already on top of them
>darts already knocking down your infrastructure before you can scramble
>disappear into the ocean before response comes

>>64008109
It's cool, but what advantages does it have for that mission over - say - a submarine designed to carry and fire cruise-missiles or TBMs?

>>63996064
you couldnt afford it

>>63978696
>shit had exposed turbine blades just like the Su-57 lmfao
Yes and no. They weren't blocked from all angles like on the F-22, but they were at least blocked from the front, unlike the Su-57. The production F-23 would have blocked them even now with its cone inlets.

>>64008365
even more*
Apologies for phone posting.

>>63970773
>YF-17
>7.9 tonnes
>F-18C
>10.4 tonnes
>F-18E
>14.5 tonnes

American girls are getting too fat

>>63991668
>>64001315
HARV was only ever meant to be a research aircraft, and it was quite successful.

>>63976252
>>63976257
yeah the XB70 is cool, but it has no use except as a strategic nuclear bomber. imagine them trying to use it in linebacker. it just wouldn't have worked. B-1 is an infinitely better and more robust fast bomber

>>63994543
obviously not true. soviets were notorious for being socially conservative, banning abortion and homosexuality. even Stalin was a legit orthodox seminarian in his youth. weird American race fetishism going on here imo

t. inb4 vatnik, I'm actually an American who shills for Chinese Dengism

>>64009041
None of that has any relevance and you know it.
>I'm actually an American who shills for Chinese Dengism
Ah, I see. My apologies. I didn't know you were actually, clinically, retarded.

>>63970090 (OP)
T100 for the USAF

>>63997271
>Give Soviet Union jet engines
>Aviation industry enters self inflicted death spiral
deserved karma

>>63971724
Brother, after the export controls on the F16 were released there was no reason for the F20 to even exist

IF ONLY IT WENT INTO SERVICE, IT WOULD HAVE TURNED THE WAR AROUND FOR THE AXIS

>>64010226
the Nazis won WW2 and secretly rule the world under the draco reptilians. they have their own all-Aryan planet now, too.

>>64010226
damn and here I was just about to post the big zam

>>63991949
would be perfect as a drone
psychological warfare

>>64010226
>make a sleek airframe
>add more struts than WW1 planes

>>64002887
>Jews getting to extrajudicially kill people because “that thing might be used against us”
They aren’t people.

>>63999676
Apparently they aren't very useful at all since atmospheric drag of them falling through the ionosphere would shed/burn off most of their volume.

>>63998762
>If the UK hadn't been fucking retards and shot themselves in the foot
Story of the UK since 1945, what a depressing terminal decline that didn't have to pass.

>>64007651

"we have a Mig21bis at home"

frankly I'm more sad that Australian Mirage IIIs did literally nothing during the entire vietnam war.

This POS.

>>63994502
Drill a .22 hole through parts of your body, see what happens lmao. Sure you can survive quite a few .22 holes, but try one of them through your heart.

>The 'Reluctant Pheonix'
>inflatable, man powered, aircraft prototype built in 1966 for an 'urgent requirement' issued by the British MoD

>>63970542
>>63973348
it looks better from above and with a fresh coat https://www.twz.com/20971/this-is-what-a-boeing-f-32-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-jsf-competition

>>64010226
>music stops

>>64011369
>"we have a Mig21bis at home"
I personally think it looks cooler than a Mig-21
>frankly I'm more sad that Australian Mirage IIIs did literally nothing during the entire vietnam war.
I’m confused about that myself, we were flying combat missions in our Canberra’s why not also bring a squadron of MIII’s along as well? Hell did they even get deployed in Malaysia during the confrontation?

>>64001247
They still have abandoned nuclear reactors for lighthouses scattered all across the country. Imagine if they used them to find the best regional genetic preset for monke evolution.

>>63970090 (OP)
How small can you make a plane that's still worth a pilot and payload? Is that just relegated to UAVs now?

>>64017929
This looks like something designed by Akira Toriyama.

>>63994468
If they ever made a cartoon show for pre-K children about ALBMs, this is what the main character would drive to work.

>>63970090 (OP)
I miss seeing this fat bitch

It's so smooth looking

>>64021474
It looks cool, but the only thing that airframe would be good for is as an attack helicopter, otherwise too much is sacrificed for the unconventional gearbox and engine placement. Maybe a quasi-Mi24 type role would suit the airframe well.

>pour one out for the insane interwar tank concepts that never went anywhere.

>>64021621
Without nuclear engines, hell, even with them,how would this thing even move?

>>64021621
>ruuuule francia
>francia rules the plains

>>64021647
>TFW when you hear le Rosbif talking about 'Land Ships' and decide you're not going to be left behind

>>64021646
I honestly have no idea, I assume that the original spec called for a V10000000 engine or something similar.

>>63973913
F-16XL never should have been competing with the Strike Eagle, its closer to the F-18 in payload and performance and would have been a great export fighter.

>>63991668
>>64001315
>>64008961
love the HARV paintjob, ended up painting a Macross kit in a similar way.

>>63985432
still waiting for the B-1R.

>>64021621
The concept was actually far more crazy than the drawings.
Idea was to put treads on battleships so they could go from sea onto land.
>>64021646
Loads of coal shoveling.

>>64021789
Least it is getting the pylons back.
But the 119 upgrade needs to happen for cominality

>>64011875
Would have been a lot cheaper.
Wonder if Beoing went low or high for the 6th gen bids

>>64008605
Lands on a carrier deck for 9001 hours will do that

>>63998762
Likes really had an odd habit of spening a ton of money then killing a program. They hardly managed to get the carriers funded. Thank God for F-35B or they would really be screwed.

>>63994598
Should dust this off and build it with the Germans and Spanish

>>64025452
>>64008605
F-35A 13.2
F-22 19.7!