>North Korea is now supplying as much as 40% of Russia’s ammunition for the war in Ukraine as the partnership between Pyongyang and Moscow deepens, according to the head of Ukrainian military intelligence.
>Kim Jong Un’s regime is also sending other weapons to Russia, including ballistic missiles and artillery systems, Kyrylo Budanov said in an interview with Bloomberg News. Russia is providing money and technology to North Korea in return, helping to ease Pyongyang’s international isolation, he said.
>'Those are good weapons,' Budanov, who attributed 60% of losses in military-intelligence units in the past three months to strikes by North Korean-made artillery, said in his office in Kyiv. 'North Korea has huge stockpiles and production goes on around the clock.'”
If North Korea can outproduce the West in terms of artillery and ballistic missile production, how will China's production capabilities compare in a potential war in the Pacific, given its larger industrial base?:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-11/ukraine-spy-chief-says-40-of-russian-ammunition-is-north-korean

Bomb NK when?

>>63972252
They actually have nukes, so never

>>63972255
Who are they gonna nuke?
How will they even know who did it?

Ukraine needs to get more agents into eastern russia and blow up those ammo trains

>>63972249 (OP)
>If North Korea can outproduce the West in terms of artillery and ballistic missile production
Are they? Is this ammunition fresh or are the norkies just burning through old stockpiles?

I wander what they're getting out of it?

>>63972300
It literally says in the article, tech transfers and money (foreign currencies).

wild how Russia is actively boosting NK military capabilities and SK just sits there pretending it does not concern them

>>63972455
wdym? they're larping a 5th gen with anemic engines

>>63972455
To distracted by K-pop and K-dramas to care

>>63972249 (OP)
>north korea has been successfully demilitarized
Just a few bunker busters in the nuclear facilities, and south korea can safely annex north.

>>63972300
russia is no doubt helping them with their ballistic missiles and other higher end things. irbms and icbms are quite complex machines and it requires a lot of trial and error to get them working reliably. if you can skip much of the trial and error part, you've saved a lot of cost and time.

norks are probably supplying both new and older munitions, ammunition and systems.

>>63972249 (OP)
they've done some of the math on china, and the outlook wasn't good. they pegged them for pumping out 1000 tomahawk-tier cruise missiles a week (that's just one single munition).

a war against china needs to be very quick and decisive in that they feel like stopping the war is the best option.

>>63972249 (OP)
>who attributed 60% of losses in military-intelligence units in the past three months to strikes by North Korean-made artillery,
i'm guessing this will be koskan, which would fill a niche in that it's sufficiently long-ranged enough to avoid a lot of threats that 122-mm and 152-mm can face (counter-battery 155mm).

which countries might look into for the future. longer ranged mobile gun-artillery.

>>63972249 (OP)
There will be no China war in the Pacific.
https://dl.depot.4d2.org/ygc4Jjz1DC1P.mp4

https://dl.depot.4d2.org/shZguWxYip9R.mp4

You mutts all are going to Iran.

>>63972585

>>63972249 (OP)
>making yourself this utterly reliant on NK
I'm sure this will end well and there'll be absolutely no negative consequences for Russia at any point. There's definitely no risks to be had in propping up your entire war effort with contributions from Kim, he's such a nice guy and would never blackmail you into handing over your closest held state secrets and resources with the threat of cutting you off and ending the war tomorrow. Nope, never.

Pic unrelated, the world's largest greenhouse complex outside Pyongyang built to stabilise NK's food supply and certainly not funded by Russian gold reserves that they traded for 50% failure rate artillery shells from the 1970's.

Nope, this is fine and totally normal.

Wow such smol gee-dee-pee such much shells!
How cum Gayrapeans? Can you believe this?

>>63972595
You mean superpower being blackmailed by a smaller country into going their bidding? That's ridiculous!

>>63972594
Your empire is doomed and you go down with it!

>>63972601
Because having economies based mostly on services is not very well suited for full intensity conflict, since you actually need industrial capacity to sustain it.

>>63972616

>>63972455
snorks themselves are against sending arms to ukraine.

>>63972249 (OP)
Have they at least stopped with the water filled bullets or was that China?

>>63972595
The worse part is that the Norks seem to be the ones who know what they're doing the most out of the commintern countries.

>>63972249 (OP)
>partnership
extractive relationship

>>63972782
Just like US-Israel?

>>63972643
>The ukraine and entirety of nato gets btfo by water filled bullets
Kek

>>63972455
realistically speaking, what could South Korea even do? NK already has nukes, and even before it did the threat to Seoul was too great for taking any risks with the Norks. Severe sanctions failed, North Korea not only survived through them, but even thrived and became more self-sufficient in a lot of resources. The only thing SK can do is just build up its military tech and sit on its hands, the time for decisive action is long past.

>>63972249 (OP)
Well, good for Kim I guess.

>>63972252
Not that simple, China also supports Russia but going at them with bombs would not be easy like the little Iran ditty just now.

>>63972300
It's been both old ammunition and new ammunition.
North Korea doesn't make that much in advanced or modern weapons, but they do make good quality Warsaw Pact/slavshit clones and ammo at competitive prices, and they make money on selling that to various African countries and groups, just to name some.

If you remember Pringles, he was hoping he could score some brand new artillery shells from Kim because he badly needed them, but Kim was cheeky and ripped him off, pawning off really old and moisture damaged stockpiles on him.
It was stuff which Norkland had fired off at Sorkland before in a limited skirmish, possibly to try to get rid of some, and it performed just as bad then as it had before. Ukranians described that they would start seeing a lot duds when artillery shells came at them, they'd just plap into the soft muddy ground and fail to detonate at all. They would also even capture some, and testing it themselves, they found crazy bad consistency and reliability.

I don't know if Pringle had manage to slight Kim, or if Kim decided that he could get away with ripping him off because Pringle had nobody else to turn to and wouldn't be able to really do anything about it.

>>63972585
>You mutts all are going to Iran.

Two weeks old metodichka, no payment for Mr. Shill.

>>63972585
>>63972616
Panjeet/Ping Pong, that was like two fucking weeks ago, get with the program. The Americans bombed the Iranian nuclear development sites absolutely flat and then went home, Iran gave in and everything (even if they said otherwise).

Was it strictly necessary for the Americans to get involved with this shit again? Arguably not, Israel should take care of their own goddamn problems, the leeches, though the Iranians also genuinely deserved some slapping around for backing the Houthis, like it's the fucking 1700s and they're hiring privateers. Protecting western trade routes is ultimately still in my interest, so there's at least that side benefit.
Will the Americans be dragged into yet another stupid 20 year war which will cause both themselves and the rest of us needless grief? That may still happen, sure, but it's not gonna be the recent situation with Iran, that's already over and done with.

Hell, it's not even the first time that the Burgers have done some quick attacks on Iran which then didn't develop into anything further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations

>>63973505
>On the other hand, research has shown that most Iranians hold a positive attitude about the American people, though not the US government.[23][24]
Fair, I love Burgers, but dislike much of their gov't.

>According to a 2018 Pew poll, 39% of Americans say that limiting the power and influence of Iran should be a top foreign policy priority.[26]
I can think of more important things than that.

>>63972257
>Who are they gonna nuke?
south korea
>How will they even know who did it?
doesn't matter. they'll nuke south korea
>>63973510
nothing is more important to amerigolem than the security and prosperity of israel

>>63972252
So bombing the US for supplying israel is also acceptable?

>>63975362
yes

>>63975362
If you want, but good luck with that.

>>63972784
NK actually seems to benefit russia though

Why is NK allowed to have nukes but Iran is not? Both are openly hostile to the West

>>63972249 (OP)
>If North Korea can outproduce the West in terms of artillery and ballistic missile production
Yes. Everything they're giving the Russians is brand new production. The Norks definitely aren't emptying out decades old junk out of their warehouses. WINK

>>63975556
Nobody that actually matters and has any influence cares about Iran, while North Korea is right next to China. Also I don't think North Korea has been doing a lot of funding of privateers against the US.

>>63975556
China. The west is playing a long game with Norks waiting for it to eventually open up on their own, and nuclear armed north korea provides south korea protection against potential chinese expansionism.

>>63973196
Only a portion of north Seoul is within range of any NK artillery and SK/USA have had since 1953 to map out artillery positions along the DMZ with massively more sophisticated intelligence and counter-battery capabilities. The NK military is outdated as a whole and suffers from both training and tech deficits in its highest value forces alongside questionable ability to logistically sustain mechanized or motorized warfare for any period of time. South Korea has also massively invested in multilayered missile defense systems to lessen NK's nuclear threat and nuclear latency is growing in popularity as a potential security strategy. The sanctions also didn't fail; NK is an impoverished country lagging behind technologically heavily dependent on trade with a handful of nations (really it's just China that matters) to maintain its current level, whose current economic and industrial growth is 100% based on Russia having a fire sale to prop up its war in Ukraine. Not exactly a great basis for sustained growth and development considering when the war ends so too do those economic inputs.

>>63975334
Israel wanting to wipe you all out makes it a little bit easier for us. You must understand.

>>63973196
>and even before it did the threat to Seoul was too great for taking any risks with the Norks
Do you think that their old rusted out artillery back then was an actual threat? Those things hadn't been moved since they were put there in like the fucking 60s or whatever, not having been taken to be tested or probably had any maintenance done to them in decades.
They'd have been really fucking lucky to get off one salvo of artillery shells, and then the South would start retaliating. That shit was always hot air, the nukes are the first time in ages that they've been a real threat.

>>63973196
>but even thrived
yeah

>>63972455
According to what I have been reading worstkoreans don't want to send it because they sincerely believe Kim won't really do shit but just in case don't provoke him, and they don't want to take any risk, even less so after Orangie started threatening all of the westen alliance to pull out support, worstkoreans feel they shouldn't waste money on international adventures (yeah, stupid as selling weapons would actually boost their economy, but that's gooks for you) finally it appears ukkies were too cozy with nips, particularly due some unfortunate remarks, about Korea/Japan during WW2.
TL;DR: gooks from the Seoul oblast are actually truly demoralized on this one and ukkies fumbling the charisma throws.

>>63972455
>>63975830
South Korea can't send anything direct because it's Foreign Trade Act forbids it, the problem is also that it's constitution is has some pacifist wording that's never been tested in a court room and could open up some interpretation arguments. Seoul instead did some legal chicanery to get support out by sending artillery shells to the US that meant that US shells could (by coincidence) be sent to Ukraine, they've also been happily sending/selling equipment to Europe that allows old kit to be sent to Ukraine.

>hurr durr why don't they just scrap the law

Because the previous President first forgot how to govern, refused to compromise, refused to call an election when his position became untenable and then accidentally an attempted coup. The new South Korean government is from the liberals who do the Sunshine Policy to try to get North Korea to stop being a dick using promises of gibs.

>>63975556
>>63975582
The Bush administration felt they were too dangerous even before nukes so they focused on Saddam as the weak target:
https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/how-north-korea-deterred-an-american-invasion-in-2002/

>>63975610
We can literally see in Ukraine that North Korea is able to produce dangerous equipment. It's also the problem that North Korean agents are active in the South where there's a fear that they will start using chemical weapons in the bomb shelters.

>>63972455
Korean here. What do you want us to do?
I'm sorry but North Koreans are still Koreans at the end of the day and we're not gonna send over weapons to Ukraine to help them kill fellow Koreans.
This is something 99% of Koreans feel the same about.

>>63972455
I assume the sorks aren't worried because the best Russia can do is uplift the norks to Russia tier equipment

>>63975901
Shit, I forgot all about SK having a fucking coup attempt, what a weird week that was.

Maybe some Ukranian spooks can see that some of those NK munitions factories have some smoking accidents. A very tall order but one which would be incredible if pulled off.

>>63972455
cuckolds, like pretty much all civilized countries

>>63975943
>North Koreans are still Koreans at the end of the day
such cuckoldry is exactly why you'll wake up under the boot of Kim one day

>>63976095
My money is on derailings and locomotives catching fire.

>>63975556
The same reason Israel has nukes

>>63976095
Good luck getting into North Korea, then able to sneak past the "tourist attraction" areas without getting caught and send to a working camp to be worked to death.

>>63975556
because they got them
the same reason israel got them (and by killing jfk at that)
iran was dumb enough to trust international non-proliferation groups; they should have made them in secret like nk

>>63976122
or maybe they care more about koreans than ukrainians? and the sk government is just as authoritarian as the nk one; it's just different flavors: feminist globohomo versus traditional serfdom.

>>63972249 (OP)
>according to the head of Ukrainian military intelligence.

Whole threads and stories out of nothing.

>>63975610
Delusional.

>>63972249 (OP)
I don't think the two are really comparable, as China is gearing up to take on a battered Russia to reclaim Manchuria and Siberia, so they don't really need to upscale that much. The chinks are many things, but they aren't stupid enough to start a war in the Pacific where the slow creep of soft power is doing them fine. They just have to keep rolling the dice every time the Taiwanese have an election and try to get their own guys into power who will re-unite with them without a fight. They can wait.
On the other hand, North Korea has to be able to OHKO China, as they are their biggest threat in the region, so the Norks are going to be producing and upgrading their gear as much as they physically can. The recent export of old goods and the import of Russian technical know-how and raw resources will probably keep them going at a high pace until the end of the decade at the very least.

>>63972257
>Who are they gonna nuke?
Unironically China.
>How will they even know who did it?
Generally the aggressor will want you to know they hit you for bragging rights and political bargaining.

>>63975943
There are, at maximum, 30,000 North Koreans in service in Ukraine, and they are mainly being used as a border guard. The current estimate of Russians in Ukraine and Kursk is 690,000.
That's like 0.5% of all troops fighting in Ukraine. If you can't use your micro-skills to avoid blowing up such a small number of frenemies, can you even call yourself a Korean?
The worst that could happen from South Korea directly selling weapons to Ukraine is that a military chaebol conducts a literal hostile take over by firing a rocket into the Samsung directors meeting, so really, it's only positives for your country.

>>63972643
That was China.

>>63975556
The Norks are hostile in the way the way most commie countries are hostile, where they will rattle some sabres about the World Revolution and that the West will collapse any second now, but apart from that will keep to themselves and leave most people alone.
Iran cannot be trusted as they are run exclusively by senile jihadis who are either tard-rangled or encourage by the elected officials, so it's entirely possible for them to nuke anyone for any reason. If they weren't retards, no one would have a problem with it.

>>63976761
>We can literally see in Ukraine that North Korea is able to produce dangerous equipment.
Yes, but that isn't what I'm even saying you fucking retard.
To clarify, barring the time Priggo got ripped off, North Korea hasn't been selling Russia old shitty and damaged equipment or munitions.

However, North Korea has not taken those sets of artillery batteries aimed at Seoul particularly seriously in many decades, their purpose has been to just sit there to be used for posturing and negotiations, North Korea themselves are not expecting to fire them.
They have just been fucking sitting exactly where they were ever since they were originally placed there, facing wind and rain for decades and decades, and staffed by the dumbest and most useless motherfuckers that they can't find any usage for.

>>63975901
I'm talking about the threat picture towards South Korea from BEFORE North Korea developed nuclear weapons, you faggot, and they were an absolute joke at the time.

>>63975587
FUCKING THANK YOU. People can ignore my observation about how shitty those old neglected artillery emplacements are, but they can't ignore THIS.

>>63976118
>>63976122
Delusion.

>>63976095
Ukie spooks have shown some capabilities, but that doesn't seem like a trivial number.

>>63977512
>ever since they were originally placed there, facing wind and rain for decades and decades

Seeing as they are all in underground tunnels when not in use we can safely assume you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>63977155
I think is accurate. Norks are essentially Stalinists, which is to say they're mob bosses, which is what happens after a commie revolution in which a new communist elite kills their internal opposition and sets up a dictatorship to totally re-engineer the society, which requires them to take ownership of everything, and that also changes them. So what you end up with is a regime that does the saber-rattling but the inner party preserving their relative wealth and power inside North Korea is everything.

There's a book called Red Plenty by Francis Spufford about the USSR in the 1950s. "They were social scientists who thought principle required them to behave like gangsters. … Stalin had been a gangster who really believed he was a social scientist. Khrushchev was a gangster who hoped he was a social scientist. But … the Soviet Union would be governed by gangsters who were only pretending to be social scientists." Or this:
https://youtu.be/VersLJjqRGY

I think Iran has been more about exporting its Islamic revolution, but I could see Iran maybe turning into something like this. Like if there's more tapping into Iranian nationalism. Apparently they've been doing this now, it has been noticeable in Iranian propaganda billboards on display after the Israeli attack.

>>63972255
They have nuclear devices. Big difference.

>>63977512
>I'm talking about the threat picture towards South Korea from BEFORE North Korea developed nuclear weapons, you faggot, and they were an absolute joke at the time.

North Korea didn't have nukes in 2002 you fucking smoothbrain.

>>63979025
That's what he's saying.

>>63972257
>How will they even know who did it?

The list of countries with continental-ranged and stealth bombers is actually quite small anon

>>63972249 (OP)
they are also sending apples, very delicious!

>>63975587
>>63977532
unfortunately /k/ is overrun with chinks and jeets who are allergic to facts. and I am starting to suspects that there may be actual North Koreans in our midst...
fortunately, the opinions of retards doesn't change reality. not to mention that strategically, it's always better to be underestimated than to be overestimated

>>63975830
quite a retarded post, anon, even for /k/ standards
I get that you're probably one of those retards who are seething at Korea's recent military export boom but to be so delusional as to deny that it happened altogether? Did Polish billions just disappear into thin air?
"sending weapons to ukraine helps exports" is one of the biggest myths of this war. for one thing, ukies mainly received old slav shit and old western systems that other countries didn't want. shit that nobody even wants to export (or import for that matter). and of the newer systems, even the successful ones haven't been exported much. AFAIK, nobody has bought the gepard recently despite being rather useful. the HIMARS is pretty much the only weapon that this myth applies to.
so no, there is literally ZERO reason for South Korea to support ukraine whatsoever. absolutely none at all. they're not allied countries in the least bit. and ukrainian political gaffes go far beyond ww2 shit.

>>63972595
They got another 2 about the same size at hamhung and chongjin and they are building one twice as large at the new housing areas in sinuiju(the progress is so fast satellite still shows them under construction)

If you look at any random farmland in the south though you will see they have way more, just spread out. I find the North's rapid construction and land reclaiming more impressive.

btw there is always big explosions when North Korea builds stuff and the army builds everything anyway, so this post is still /k/

>>63979512

I think North Korea would be so much better if every photo didn't make it look like some frozen, desolate wasteland. I thought Asia was some hot, humid sweatbox but NK always looks like Fallout 3. But then again there were a whole lot of human popsicles in the war so I guess it must be cold a lot.

>>63979893
It's mostly just the season and the fact that every inch possible is being farmed
the picture I posted isn't really fair either since it's winter and that whole area was flooded and then turned into a giant construction camp with thousands of workers so it's kinda obvious it would be barren.
this video gives a better impression of the country I think, though I have seen it even greener when the fields are fully grown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-z8StaGW6w

>>63979893
oh wrong image...I mean right image, an image of the glorious leader can never be wrong after all!

>>63972784
jumped up impulsive lil' guy aint ya.
i don't even like jews but you guys always sound like a bunch of angry teenage girls and EVERYTHING in EVERY conversation must go back to israel somehow.
if you're not white and live near them, i hope they bomb you.

>>63975587
>South Korea has also massively invested in multilayered missile defense systems
We've already seen what these defense systems are capable of in Israel. They're incapable of stopping large missile barrages, period. And North Korea has invested massively into TBM's, MLRS and tactical missiles along with its gigantic arsenal of artillery, BM Grads and drones. Israel's Irone Cope covers a very small airspace and couldn't block miserable Iranian barrages coming from thousands of kilometers away. South Korea's missile defense systems aren't gonna do jack fucking shit against a literal hailstorm of projectiles fired from nextdoor, and that's before looking at contingencies and blindspots like intercepting nuclear ordinance, or the fact that South Korea's military is pretty fucking anemic and getting more complacent each year, nor the 2011 bombardment of Peyonchang where South Korean counterbattery fire couldn't get anything off in time to silence the sudden North Korean barrage.


>The sanctions also didn't fail; NK is an impoverished country lagging behind technologically heavily dependent on trade with a handful of nations
North Korea has been growing through the sanctions. They've put satellites in space, continued the ICBM program, made dozens of missile tests, developed several special economic zones to attract tourism and foreign investment which are slated to open this year, improved the QOL for its citizens to a notable degree compared to 10 years ago and achieved, to a large degree, a high level of self-reliance in a lot of industries, including foodstuffs. They were unaffected by the massive floods that swept the country a year or two ago, compared to the 90's when the country suffered a famine after severe flooding. NK has definitely grown and thrived, and you're living in a bubble of delusion if you think otherwise.

>>63972249 (OP)
Russia becoming a client state of North Korea was not on my 5 year outlook for the world from 2020.

>>63973196
>but even thrived
ignoring the decades of stagnation, concentration camps for political dissidents and famines I guess

>>63980407
>special economic zones to attract tourism and foreign investment which are slated to open this year
eh this part is kinda wrong, rason has been open for years and the many other economic zones Kim wanted to open did not really go anywhere, I think with the 20x10 policy and his currency reform(cracking down on the black market) it's pretty obvious hes more domestically focused rather than trying to reform and expand the openess of Rason.

>>63980477
>rason has been open for years
Rason has been closed for 6 years before it opened earlier this year, homie. No tourism was allowed in North Korea since COVID.

Also North Korea isn't gonna turn down foreign currency. It's the logical next step for growth now that Kim stabilized the country's domestic economy and agriculture.

>>63972252
The US destroyed around 85% of all man made structures in North Korea during the war through mass bombing.
That’s how they got that way, and why they started developing nukes as soon as they could.

>>63980485
I was talking way before the COVID closure, Rason is hardly anything new, yes they desperately want foreign currency but they are just going to keep pursuing it through state companies, arms trade with russia and cybercrime. They were getting like 300k chinese tourists before they closed for covid so yes there is some money there but from the comments I have seen from tour operators they aren't really expecting a big rise in tourism even with the new resort, most chinese would rather go to pyongyang and there aren't enough westerners and russians to really make a difference.

>>63979893
>I thought Asia was some hot, humid sweatbox
Just wait until you find out about this small part of Asia!

>>63980407
>We've already seen what these defense systems are capable of in Israel. They're incapable of stopping large missile barrages
But Israel stopped like 95% of the barrages

>>63972618
>Because having economies based mostly on services is not very well suited for full intensity conflict, since you actually need industrial capacity to sustain it.

Services shouldnt really count into GDP, if I wipe my ass myself it does not count, but if I pay someone to do so, suddenly I increase GDP.

>>63982777
>But Israel stopped like 95% of the barrages

I am sure that they did that.... on social media. In RL, it was a bit different.

>>63983015
>In RL, it was a bit different.

Lmao there was something like a dozen good hits recorded that sandnigger shills kept constantly reposting from different angles, and the total death toll was 30.

>>63982773
kek

>>63979485
>/k/ is overrun with chinks and jeets

its more likely just edgy manchildren. now that russia was proven to be a mid-tier military they all switched to being chinaboos

>>63972300
Both, but I wouldn't be suprised if Norks would experience any trouble shifting over to totally new. They've been doing it for 50 years as a habit

>>63983235
>mid-tier
Awfully generous.